Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

[Guest guest]

Jim, you said " i was popping it like it was pez " ....please reconsider this tract

with HC..more is not better sometimes, and I know you just want to get to

feeling better, it's hard to be patient..

What *may* be happening (on top of taking too much HC for your needs) is that

your thyroid production may be increasing...thus bringing a further

wrinkle...hyPER thyroid brings another set of issues to an already complex

situation..I forget if you are taking thyroid meds...but your own body can be

boosting conversion to T3..

The feelings you describe in traffic the other day,

paranoia/anxiety/worry--those types of feelings, along with anger/mood issues,

can point to too much HC (cortisol)...you don't want to tip over into too

much...bad as too little...

You can safely lower your dose by dropping 2.5mg from the routine over several

days (or over a longer period of time depending on how your body reacts)..if you

need help let us know..EL

>

> Today, I'm at 30mg and not feeling that well. I don't want to take anymore. i

won't be able to get to sleep if I do.

>

[Guest guest]

El,

Last week I thought my thyroid was starting to respond. I took my temp 2x. It

was 98.6, usually I'm at 97.5. I think though, the 98.6 was from being outside

in the heat for a while. My temps are back to the 97.2- 97.5 range.

I'm not on any thyroid meds.I did not sleep well last night. I was somewhat

shaky most of the night. I'm going to try to cut back the amount of cortef I

take per day. I'll just have to live with some of the shakiness.

I hope to make it to the doctor next week. Because of some new lab test results,

there's new therories on the course of treatment. My hormones are a mess right

now.

>

> Jim, you said " i was popping it like it was pez " ....please reconsider this

tract with HC..more is not better sometimes, and I know you just want to get to

feeling better, it's hard to be patient..

>

> What *may* be happening (on top of taking too much HC for your needs) is that

your thyroid production may be increasing...thus bringing a further

wrinkle...hyPER thyroid brings another set of issues to an already complex

situation..I forget if you are taking thyroid meds...but your own body can be

boosting conversion to T3..

>

> The feelings you describe in traffic the other day,

paranoia/anxiety/worry--those types of feelings, along with anger/mood issues,

can point to too much HC (cortisol)...you don't want to tip over into too

much...bad as too little...

>

> You can safely lower your dose by dropping 2.5mg from the routine over several

days (or over a longer period of time depending on how your body reacts)..if you

need help let us know..EL

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Is it ok to " stress dose " according to blood pressure? For instance:

BP last night at 8:00pm was 113/46 pulse 75. I didn't feel that well. I took

about 1.5mg cortef. I couldn't sleep because I was shaky. Maybe it was low

glucose.

>

> Jim, you said " i was popping it like it was pez " ....please reconsider this

tract with HC..more is not better sometimes, and I know you just want to get to

feeling better, it's hard to be patient..

>

> What *may* be happening (on top of taking too much HC for your needs) is that

your thyroid production may be increasing...thus bringing a further

wrinkle...hyPER thyroid brings another set of issues to an already complex

situation..I forget if you are taking thyroid meds...but your own body can be

boosting conversion to T3..

>

> The feelings you describe in traffic the other day,

paranoia/anxiety/worry--those types of feelings, along with anger/mood issues,

can point to too much HC (cortisol)...you don't want to tip over into too

much...bad as too little...

>

> You can safely lower your dose by dropping 2.5mg from the routine over several

days (or over a longer period of time depending on how your body reacts)..if you

need help let us know..EL

>

> >

> > Today, I'm at 30mg and not feeling that well. I don't want to take anymore.

i won't be able to get to sleep if I do.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim are you still checking your sugar levels when you feel like this if not do

so see if your sugar is low. You have only been on HC a short time and I think

if you kept a log that you could read back you would see if your doing better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 5:32 PM

> Usually 27.5mg of cortef gets me

> through the day if things are too bad. Yesterday I 

> don't know how much i took. i was popping it like it was

> pez.

>

> Today, I'm at 30mg and not feeling that well. I don't want

> to take anymore. i won't be able to get to sleep if I do.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Jim take it easy when you feel dam bad every

> thing

> > > gets magnified and seams worse then it is.  I

> can't

> > > tell you how many times I did this to my wife and

> Kids when

> > > I was dam sick.  At the time they did not

> understand

> > > how bad it was for me.  You need to take your

> wife with

> > > you to your Dr. let them tell her how bad things

> can get for

> > > you.  It helps when they hear if from a Dr.

> > > >

> > > > I still have bad days the last two have been

> bad for

> > > me I come on here to keep my mind off it.  This

> helps

> > > and when we are sick and not our self's women

> think your mad

> > > at them or don't love them anymore because they

> doing see

> > > how sick you are if you feel off a roof and broke

> your leg

> > > they would take care of you and not ask for

> anything. 

> > > What we have can't be seen.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I do check my sugar from time to time when I'm not feeling well. The readings

are always ok. This leads me to believe either i'm not dosing HC properly, or my

system is just eating it up quickly.

This morning I got up somewhat shaky. I had virtually no sleep. I took 7.5mg

cortef. this didn't seem to help much. My sugar was 83.I know the monitor is

fairly accurate since I checked it to my mothers monitor. I was feeling really

lousy, so I took another 5mg about 2 hours later. This seemed to help some.

It just seems i have to talk the cortef on a frequent basis to stay somewhat

leveled. I'm seeing dr.O next week. i'm going to discuss medrol with him. i'm

going to try to use as little of HC as necessary, but I'm just in another world

a lot of times.

>

> Jim are you still checking your sugar levels when you feel like this if not do

so see if your sugar is low. You have only been on HC a short time and I think

if you kept a log that you could read back you would see if your doing better.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Jim some times when we fix one thing something else that is wrong show it's ugly

head like low aldosterone and renin production. This went on with me for many

yrs and after I started on Cortef this showed it's ugly head. I was told to try

adding a 1/2 tsp of Sea Salt to a glass of water first thing in the morning it

made me feel better. My adrenals not working my body is dumping my sodium so I

got this tested and it was very low.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15453

I started on florinef and this fixed my problems

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15450

Just something to think about.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 4:17 PM

> I'm taking cortef.

> Right now it's about 4:00pm. I don't feel too bad. I

> started feeling better after I ate lunch. I'll have to look

> at my glucose tommorrow if I should feel bad.

>

> I know what hypoglycemia feels like. This is different. I

> feel shaky and panicky. Maybe my E2 is up. As you may know,

> I've had a hell of a time with real low E2, so I don't know

> what high E2 feels like. My nipples don't feel swollen

> though. I never get much wood so that gage is out. I'm

> hoping if I do go on GHRP-6, this will give back some wood,

> as well as general decent health.

>

>

> >

> > I went to the gym for the first time in 3 months today

> got there at 11:30am worked out worm up to cool down 90

> min.'s.  And I cut back big time on my load driving

> home I was shaking and felt dam weak.  I eat lunch and

> take 10 mgs of HC in 15 min's I am fine again.

> >

> > I don't feel your taking to much HC at this dose and I

> feel your eating it up as fast as your taking it.  Is

> your HC the generic or is it called Cortef.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I'm chugging 1tsp celtic salt at 9;00am and 1tsp at 1:00pm. I'll try it when I

wake up from now on. It was suggested I take 3 tsp/day.

> > >

> > > I went to the gym for the first time in 3 months today

> > got there at 11:30am worked out worm up to cool down 90

> > min.'s.  And I cut back big time on my load driving

> > home I was shaking and felt dam weak.  I eat lunch and

> > take 10 mgs of HC in 15 min's I am fine again.

> > >

> > > I don't feel your taking to much HC at this dose and I

> > feel your eating it up as fast as your taking it.  Is

> > your HC the generic or is it called Cortef.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

I eat the Eggs for there protein this converts into glucose that last a lot

longer then glucose from sugar. And if you cook your eggs right they are less

fating. I have very good Chol. levels so eggs help keep me more leveled. I

also eat diet bread 2 of them is = to one reg. bread. and I eat fruit with 1/2

cup of OJ. If I eat Oatmeal I get weak and shaky about an hr. later. At night

before going to bed if I am having a problem with my sugar fall at night I will

eat some cheese or nuts to help keep my levels up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Jim <jamesjensen1068@...>

>

> > Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to

> medrol

>

> >

>

> > Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 5:43 PM

>

> > Sounds like you have low blood sugar

>

> > (hypoglycemia).  There are two types. 

> " Fasting

>

> > type " , when you can get the symptoms you describe

> after not

>

> > eating for a period of time.....And there is also

> " reactive

>

> > type " which occurs soon after eating.  I would

> ask your

>

> > doctor to run a 5 hour glucose tolerance test.

>

> >

>

> > Sounds like you blood sugar is dropping low which can

> cause

>

> > a whole number of symptoms...when I had it years ago,

> I

>

> > would get shakey, irritable, a vibrating or shakey

> feeling

>

> > inside at my core, sometimes very low energy, unable

> to stay

>

> > awake.  I'd eat and within 10 to 15 minutes feel

> fine.

>

> >

>

> > Hope this helps.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Jim people in stress from surgery or

> the

>

> > death of a

>

> > > > loved one there Cortisol levels can fly up

> over

>

> > 200.

>

> > > > What we are worried about is your having to

>

> > stress dose so

>

> > > > much and if your doing more then 40 mgs a

> day

>

> > this can shut

>

> > > > down your Adrenals read this link.

>

> > > > > http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15462

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > When one is having an Adrenal Crisis

> they

>

> > feel weak,

>

> > > > shake and get sick to there stomach.

>

> > > > > http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Now one more thing some people when

> they

>

> > take HC it

>

> > > > gets killed in there stomach and they feel

> like

>

> > they are not

>

> > > > on enough.  One way to test this is to

> take

>

> > your

>

> > > > morning dose of HC then do a morning

> fasting

>

> > blood Cortisol

>

> > > > test if you show a level of Cortisol my last

> test

>

> > was 15 on

>

> > > > 30 mgs /day this says I am not on to much HC

> and

>

> > not

>

> > > > shutting down my Adrenals.  And If I

> needed more

>

> > it

>

> > > > would be safe to go higher.  Talk to

> your Dr. or

>

> > Hard

>

> > > > about this.

>

> > > > > Co-Moderator

>

> > > > > Phil

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Phil,

>

> > > > Probably the highest I've gone in one day

> is

>

> > about 32.5mg

>

> > > > cortef.Maybe I'm taking too much. I don't

> know at

>

> > this

>

> > > > point. All I know is I feel lousy.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I'll talk to Dr.O about the test, but I

> can't

>

> > have it done

>

> > > > for awhile. Work is too busy this week.

> Today I

>

> > just feel

>

> > > > dizzy, like I'm a second too slow.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Now I'm told that my DHEA level is

> undetectable.

>

> > This makes

>

> > > > DHEA, GH, Cortisol, vitamin D all very low,

> as

>

> > well as

>

> > > > hypothyroid. It's a wonder my brain hasn't

> shut

>

> > down.

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

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>

> > > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I was like this first thing in the morning so I still wake up at 5am I am

retired. So I started taking my Test C or HG shots at this time and my C and

Thyroid melds. I then go back to bed and get up feel great at 8am. But I needed

to take 10 Mg's of C at 5am then 5 Mg's at 9am then 10Mg's at 1pm and 5Mg's at

6pm this is what works for me.

One more thing when my Estrada is high I feel edgy and agitated even feel panic

feeling. Do you take anything for high Estradiol like Arimidex if you do you

might try a test. When you wake up feeling like this try taking .5 mgs of

Arimidex see it this stops in in about an hour. I do this when I feel a Panic

Attack coming on it stops it cold.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 11:01 AM

> Phil,

> I do check my sugar from time to time when I'm not feeling

> well. The readings are always ok. This leads me to believe

> either i'm not dosing HC properly, or my system is just

> eating it up quickly.

>

> This morning I got up somewhat shaky. I had virtually no

> sleep. I took 7.5mg cortef. this didn't seem to help much.

> My sugar was 83.I know the monitor is fairly accurate since

> I checked it to my mothers monitor. I was feeling really

> lousy, so I took another 5mg about 2 hours later. This

> seemed to help some.

>

> It just seems i have to talk the cortef on a frequent basis

> to stay somewhat leveled. I'm seeing dr.O next week. i'm

> going to discuss medrol with him. i'm going to try to use as

> little of HC as necessary, but I'm just in another world a

> lot of times.

>

>

> >

> > Jim are you still checking your sugar levels when you

> feel like this if not do so see if your sugar is low. 

> You have only been on HC a short time and I think if you

> kept a log that you could read back you would see if your

> doing better.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is a lot I do a heaping 1/2 tsp up to 3x's a day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 11:49 AM

> I'm chugging 1tsp celtic salt at

> 9;00am and 1tsp at 1:00pm. I'll try it when I wake up from

> now on. It was suggested I take 3 tsp/day.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I went to the gym for the first time in 3

> months today

> > > got there at 11:30am worked out worm up to cool

> down 90

> > > min.'s.  And I cut back big time on my load

> driving

> > > home I was shaking and felt dam weak.  I eat

> lunch and

> > > take 10 mgs of HC in 15 min's I am fine again.

> > > >

> > > > I don't feel your taking to much HC at this

> dose and I

> > > feel your eating it up as fast as your taking

> it.  Is

> > > your HC the generic or is it called Cortef.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I do a flat tsp. Your heaping 1/2 tsp is probably about the same as my flat tsp.

At what time do you take your last salt dose?

Jim

> > > > >

> > > > > I went to the gym for the first time in 3

> > months today

> > > > got there at 11:30am worked out worm up to cool

> > down 90

> > > > min.'s.  And I cut back big time on my load

> > driving

> > > > home I was shaking and felt dam weak.  I eat

> > lunch and

> > > > take 10 mgs of HC in 15 min's I am fine again.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't feel your taking to much HC at this

> > dose and I

> > > > feel your eating it up as fast as your taking

> > it.  Is

> > > > your HC the generic or is it called Cortef.

> > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I've never taken anything for high E2. Iused to have really low E2. Couldn't get

it elevated until my t level got above around 850. The last time it was checked

it was something like 22.

Jim

> > >

> > > Jim are you still checking your sugar levels when you

> > feel like this if not do so see if your sugar is low. 

> > You have only been on HC a short time and I think if you

> > kept a log that you could read back you would see if your

> > doing better.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I drink my water all day up until dinner after dinner I have a bottle of diet

pop. This is it or I am up all night going to the bathroom. So no water after

6pm.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 3:17 PM

> I do a flat tsp. Your heaping 1/2 tsp

> is probably about the same as my flat tsp.

>

> At what time do you take your last salt dose?

> Jim

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went to the gym for the first

> time in 3

> > > months today

> > > > > got there at 11:30am worked out worm up

> to cool

> > > down 90

> > > > > min.'s.  And I cut back big time on my

> load

> > > driving

> > > > > home I was shaking and felt dam weak. 

> I eat

> > > lunch and

> > > > > take 10 mgs of HC in 15 min's I am fine

> again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't feel your taking to much

> HC at this

> > > dose and I

> > > > > feel your eating it up as fast as your

> taking

> > > it.  Is

> > > > > your HC the generic or is it called

> Cortef.

> > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes I know I remember this but as your on TRT and it can keep going up not all

men feel the same with higher levels of Estadiol. Some feel like your feeling

and others get ED, have sore and hard nipples feel hot and sweat like a pig day

and night and some look red on the upper parts for the body and face. I gage my

Estradiol levels by my night time and morning involuntary nocturnal erections

appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep.

When they get weak I know my levels are going up and then I get feelings of

Panic and as it goes higher I get ED. You need to get this tested.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 3:20 PM

> I've never taken anything for high

> E2. Iused to have really low E2. Couldn't get it elevated

> until my t level got above around 850. The last time it was

> checked it was something like 22.

> Jim

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Jim are you still checking your sugar levels

> when you

> > > feel like this if not do so see if your sugar is

> low. 

> > > You have only been on HC a short time and I think

> if you

> > > kept a log that you could read back you would see

> if your

> > > doing better.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >