Re: Getting doctors to work with Dr. Crisler et. al.

[Guest guest]

I think its a matter of strategy:

being prepared with another doctor lined up if this one doesn't budge, and being

brutally honest about what you want and demanding that the doctor explain

himself, instead of feeling like you need to explain yourself. I went in with

notes and my own documentation and was able to get a little further.

The other aspect of the strategy is understanding where your doctor is coming

from and how to frame your needs in a way he will treat you the way you want:

request a semen analysis, then request another one after going on testosterone

shots, and then be treated for fertility.

Also I found that focusing on the hot flashes/night sweats, and inability to

insert penis into vagina and make babies... good christian logic will work

wonders. The baby making will also give your doctor a good excuse to use

injectibles instead of topical.

Some doctors simply won't work with another doctor, they simply don't understand

enough of the hormones to make even that decision. They are relying on medical

protocols, and they don't say anything about putting someone on 3 different

hormones at the same time. When my doctor asked an endo about my request for

the 3 hormones, imediatly my doctor became suspicious of my motives, thinking I

was doing this for access to " steroids "

I just wonder the kinds of suspicions doctors will have of me in six months,

when I will have added another 20 lbs of muscle, leaned out and lost all of my

hair. I am already built like a slightly out of shape lineman.

I think that an intent on doing whatever it takes, including flying to michigan

to see dr. crisler will work well. I know what it feels like to have low

testosterone, and how hard it is to simply stand up for myself, and how little

energy I had to even make the doctor appointments.

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> I've read several posts here about getting ones doctor to work with Dr.

> Crisler or others. Most doctors I've worked with are so arrogant that they

> would not receive such a suggestion in the spirit that it was intended.

> Clearly, I understand that finding the right doctor is a challenge, but what

> I'm wondering is how successful have you been getting your doctor to work

> with others like Dr. Crisler on your TRT. Were they receptive to the idea?

> How did you sell them on the idea? Has it been successful?

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[Guest guest]

I don't think its arrogance (At least not in my Doctors case) I think you have

to consider that what he suggests is not the mainstream thinking. *At least not

to many doctors.

There was a time that I wanted my doctor to consult with him and she considered

it but after doing some R & D she declined. I think there is a fear that he

is/was? associated with sports / steroids etc? I'm not sure. Some of the

things he suggests she told me were too far from what she was trained to do.

One example was the use of Arimidex. She said that while doctors often do

prescribe drugs off label that this seemed like a poor idea. *Never tested for

use in men. *Only used by Terminal Female Patients. *Fear that long term use

might screw up the hormone control part of the brain. etc... Anyway, we talked

about what she thought was the mainstream approach to reducing conversion to E2

(Daily Zinc and weight loss) and I opted for that. *And it worked so I'm happy.

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> I've read several posts here about getting ones doctor to work with Dr.

> Crisler or others. Most doctors I've worked with are so arrogant that they

> would not receive such a suggestion in the spirit that it was intended.

> Clearly, I understand that finding the right doctor is a challenge, but what

> I'm wondering is how successful have you been getting your doctor to work

> with others like Dr. Crisler on your TRT. Were they receptive to the idea?

> How did you sell them on the idea? Has it been successful?

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