Hcg

[Guest guest]

How long is the hucog brand good for once mixed?

>

> > From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> > Subject: hcg

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 10:18 PM

> > Which brand hcg should i order at

> > alldaychemist and how long does it take to arrive? I think

> > the 2,000iu strength would be best option right? Actually

> > whats the difference in strengths?

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[Guest guest]

If you get some Bac. water and buy the Hucog brand that needs mixing it will

keep 30 days in the fridge. The pre mixed stuff I can't say.

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BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

Calculating HCG:

There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's

quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end

result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

Mixing HCG:

(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

1) Open hcg/amp with powder

2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

3) It will instantly dissolve

4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

7) Than draw 1cc and inject

8) put the rest in the refrigerator

•The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again.

That’s why you need Bac H2o.

•The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The

concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes

leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once

HCG has been discontinued.

•HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

•You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: hcg

>

> Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:32 PM

> How long is the hucog brand good for

> once mixed?

>

>

> >

> > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: hcg

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 10:18 PM

> > > Which brand hcg should i order at

> > > alldaychemist and how long does it take to

> arrive? I think

> > > the 2,000iu strength would be best option right?

> Actually

> > > whats the difference in strengths?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes you can try this how much Test C are you doing and how offten. Read this

cut and paste by a mod at Dr. 's he says getting the dose down to the best

levels where you still feel great one can keep E2 down.

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E2 Sweet Spot by Chilln at Dr. ’s forum.

continued from post #8 in this thread, ie:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8

PLAN A:

The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to simply minimize your T

boost, to the point which is " just above " your minimum acceptable level of

damage tolerance.

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* If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a lot more T than if you

exercise very little.

* Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your maximum T levels, and your

minimum T levels. This works if you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which

case your minimum T levels will not be too low.

* But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may find that this method lets

your minimum T levels drop too low.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on minimizing your maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum

T levels are still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck, don't

catch flu quickly).

* Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels, looking for your E2 sweet spot,

until eventually your minimum T levels are too low during the day / week (ie:

sore joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly).

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If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2 usign this method, then you

need to consider PLAN B.

PLAN B:

Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the goods. Don't skip PLAN B.

For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce your maximum daily T levels

by taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per day.

For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T cypionate), reduce your

maximum weekly T levels by either:

a) taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice-per-week,

or

taking less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, once-every-3-days.

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* This will definitely reduce your peak T levels, while still ensuring that your

minimum T levels do not drop.

* The additional reduction in max T levels, without reducing your minimum T

levels, will further allow your E2 levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough

to find your E2 sweet spot.

* The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement using injected T esters (eg:

testosterone cypionate) is to take

less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice per week, or

less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3 days.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

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But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN C.

PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL)

This option is only available if you initially started out on a transdermal

formulation of T.

Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to using an injected form of T

ester - eg: " T cyp " (testosterone cypionate).

Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to twice-per-week, or

once-every-3-days dosing if you need to lower E2 levels even further.

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* Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase " enzyme, and we have high

concentrations of aromatase enzymes in our subcutaneous body fat.

* The transdermal forumations of T convert into more E2 and DHT than the

injected T esters, because the transdermal formulations place the T in close

proximity to the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body fat, while

the injected T esters are designed for intra-muscular injection (not

subcutanoues) and therefore the T is placed a long long way from those aromate

enzymes in our body fat.

* After switching from transdermal T to injected T esters, your E2 levels should

also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits

your sexual performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still depends

on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

* Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in PLAN B for T cyp users.

* If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in too high maximum levels

of T, while you are trying to ensure that your minimum T throughout the week is

still above your minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back the

PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp.

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But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN D.

PLAN D:

This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG dosages, and use arimidex /

anastrozole to optimize E2.

But you should still be implementing the multiple-times-per-day dosing

methodology from PLAN B and the final stage of PLAN C

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* This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing with T and E2 levels for

months.

* The most important concept with arimidex / anastrozole supplementtion is very

reliable and accurate dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your

medical professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by adopting daily dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole, using small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex /

anastrozole.

....This is detailed here:

....http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31

* You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg per day, or 0.2mg per day,

instead of 0.5mg every second day.

* After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you will definitely discover

occasional optimum T versus E2 balance, and with that you will achieve

occasional optimum sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum

sexual performance for the majority of each week is dependant on how stable your

E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T

levels.

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But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN E.

PLAN E:

Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide the additional damage

tolerance lost from the reduction in T levels.

But continue to maintain using the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology

used in the final stages of the previous plans.

But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely.

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* Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not 100% overlap) so you can

safely reduce T, if you boost GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, you further reduce the rate of

conversion of T into E2. This assumes you reduce your supplemental T dosage when

you add in the boost to GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and E2 levels will be more

stable, and you'll find it easier to find your sweet spot for E2.

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN F.

PLAN F

This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost, multiple times-per-day/week

dosing) plus compounded arimidex / anastrozole.

###

* This should only be necessary if:

....a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient recombinant GH to allow you to

reduce your T levels by an adequate amount.

or

.... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH, and your body's response

to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts of GH.

..

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Last edited by chilln; 16 Hours Ago at 07:12 PM.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: HCG

>

> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:12 PM

> Phil I am currently taking 200iu og

> hcg twice a week along with my cyp dose I am worried that

> the hcg spikes up my e2. Can I lower it to 100iu? I want

> lowest effective dose and only need it to keep testicles

> normal size.

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[Guest guest]

I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the chance if it's still effective

or not but health wise it wont kill me right?

[Guest guest]

It should be fine, no worries...!

>

> I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the chance if it's still

effective or not but health wise it wont kill me right?

>

[Guest guest]

I figured I would be fine but I like to ask anyway! THX

>

> I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the chance if it's still

effective or not but health wise it wont kill me right?

>

[Guest guest]

If you have mixed HCG that is 6 weeks old pitch it don't be nuts it is only good

4 weeks. Unless it other wise says so.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 3:46 PM

> I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks,

> I'll take the chance if it's still effective or not but

> health wise it wont kill me right?

>

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[Guest guest]

Now how do you know this you sould not tell others here things like this. At

best it's only good 3 weeks and I use Novarel it starts going bad in 3 weeks.

Only one or two brands I know of that will last 8 weeks but using it it did

nothing APP was one.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: threefingers_in_the_box <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:00 PM

> It should be fine, no worries...!

>

>

> >

> > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the

> chance if it's still effective or not but health wise it

> wont kill me right?

> >

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[Guest guest]

Don't post back you did a 6 weeks old shot of HCG and now our leg is all red and

burns. WTF is with that.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:03 PM

> I figured I would be fine but I like

> to ask anyway! THX

>

>

> >

> > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the

> chance if it's still effective or not but health wise it

> wont kill me right?

> >

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[Guest guest]

Phil it's the Corion 2000 i.u brand that alldaychemist sells. I did the shot

already. You have me paranoid now. I feel fine so far.

>

> > From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> > Subject: Hcg

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 3:46 PM

> > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks,

> > I'll take the chance if it's still effective or not but

> > health wise it wont kill me right?

> >

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[Guest guest]

The package insert says use immediately. I'm sure though guys are using it for

at least 30 days?

>

> I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the chance if it's still

effective or not but health wise it wont kill me right?

>

[Guest guest]

I've used HCG that was 8 weeks old and didn't have any problem at all..!! as

long as it has been mixed with bacteriostatic water or b-12 it should be fine as

both have BA content in it for sterility! The hcg I usually use is pregnyl.

Perhaps some of you are just being paranoid?

> > >

> > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the

> > chance if it's still effective or not but health wise it

> > wont kill me right?

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I mixed it with bacteriostatic water so I hope I dont die! LOL

> > > >

> > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the

> > > chance if it's still effective or not but health wise it

> > > wont kill me right?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

It is quite possible that the active ingredient may start 2 degrade after 4

weeks or so, but as long as it is mixed properly (bacteriostatic water) and your

injecting techniques are sterile then an infection shouldn't be an issue at all.

The0.9% (9 mg/mL) of benzyl alcohol will take care of any bacteria! There are

plenty of others that buy it at 5000iu's at a time and use 250iu's twice a week

and have never had a problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the

> > > > chance if it's still effective or not but health wise it

> > > > wont kill me right?

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[Guest guest]

I figured that was the case. Ill ditch it now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the

> > > > > chance if it's still effective or not but health wise it

> > > > > wont kill me right?

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> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

And it was mixed 6 weeks ago never do this again I feel or hope all will be OK

dam men your shooting this into your body you need to be more careful.

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Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:37 PM

> Phil it's the Corion 2000 i.u brand

> that alldaychemist sells. I did the shot already. You have

> me paranoid now. I feel fine so far.

>

>

> >

> > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: Hcg

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 3:46 PM

> > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks,

> > > I'll take the chance if it's still effective or

> not but

> > > health wise it wont kill me right?

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I says this if your mixing it with the water they sent you. We tell men to by

bacteriostatic water abd mix it with this so it will last upto 30 days.

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How to mix HCG.

BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

Calculating HCG:

There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's

quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end

result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

Mixing HCG:

(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

1) Open hcg/amp with powder

2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

3) It will instantly dissolve

4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

7) Than draw 1cc and inject

8) put the rest in the refrigerator

•The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again.

That’s why you need Bac H2o.

•The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The

concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes

leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once

HCG has been discontinued.

•HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

•You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:46 PM

> The package insert says use

> immediately. I'm sure though guys are using it for at least

> 30 days?

>

>

> >

> > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll take the

> chance if it's still effective or not but health wise it

> wont kill me right?

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

No I tell it like it is I have men posting to men they got an Infection from

just old HCG that was mix over 30 days ago. Better to be save then sorry.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: threefingers_in_the_box <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:47 PM

> I've used HCG that was 8 weeks old

> and didn't have any problem at all..!! as long as it has

> been mixed with bacteriostatic water or b-12 it should be

> fine as both have BA content in it for sterility! The hcg I

> usually use is pregnyl. Perhaps some of you are just being

> paranoid?

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll

> take the

> > > chance if it's still effective or not but health

> wise it

> > > wont kill me right?

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I think you will be fine but next time pitch it better to be safe then sorry.

What you think you saved on money you will end up paying to a Dr.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:53 PM

> I mixed it with  bacteriostatic

> water so I hope I dont die! LOL

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks,

> I'll take the

> > > > chance if it's still effective or not but

> health wise it

> > > > wont kill me right?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Not ture I know of one that ended up in the ER he mixed some 5000 IU's and was

doing shots 2x's a week 250 IU's and used it untill it was gone. He got a bad

infection in his leg and keep posting what should he do. Some guys kept telling

him he is fine it will go away in a few days this crap when on for days until he

was running a high fever.

The Dr. told him your injecting mixed womens urine and your doing this past it's

date what did you think would happen.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: threefingers_in_the_box <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 5:01 PM

> It is quite possible that the active

> ingredient may start 2 degrade after 4 weeks or so, but as

> long as it is mixed properly (bacteriostatic water) and your

> injecting techniques are sterile then an infection shouldn't

> be an issue at all. The0.9% (9 mg/mL) of benzyl alcohol will

> take care of any bacteria! There are plenty of others that

> buy it at 5000iu's at a time and use 250iu's twice a week

> and have never had a problem.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6

> weeks, I'll take the

> > > > > chance if it's still effective or not

> but health wise it

> > > > > wont kill me right?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

The half life of the HCG is also debatable. Most will say about 30 days and

other professionals can tell you it will last longer than that!

> > > > >

> > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6 weeks, I'll

> > take the

> > > > chance if it's still effective or not but health

> > wise it

> > > > wont kill me right?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

I don't bull shi* people and the last thing I want to see if some one get sick

from what we say here.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Hcg

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 5:07 PM

> I figured that was the case. Ill

> ditch it now.

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6

> weeks, I'll take the

> > > > > > chance if it's still effective or

> not but health wise it

> > > > > > wont kill me right?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Isn't it actually a hormone in womens urine? and I have gotten different opinons

from different specialist's on how long the half life is of HCG. Like I was

saying maybe their technique was lacking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6

> > weeks, I'll take the

> > > > > > chance if it's still effective or not

> > but health wise it

> > > > > > wont kill me right?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Get Sick? of course not. But an open forum of different opinions so people can

make an informed decision 4 themselves, I would say yes! anybody who has had an

infection of this kind knows it is nothing 2 screw around with.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6

> > weeks, I'll take the

> > > > > > > chance if it's still effective or

> > not but health wise it

> > > > > > > wont kill me right?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

My pharmacy gives me the HCG made by APP (like Phil mentioned). The box

says that it will last up to 60 days if refrigerated properly. However, I

agree with Phil that the effectiveness greatly decreases after about 3-4

weeks. When I used the same HCG bottle for 60 days, I noticed that my

testicles would shrink a little bit; when I started a new bottle, I quickly

noticed a difference in size again. I thought maybe this was just my mind

playing tricks, so I used a second bottle for 60 days and noticed the same

thing. Now, I only use the bottles for 30 days and I haven't experienced

the problem again.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of threefingers_in_the_box

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 4:30 PM

Subject: Re: Hcg

Get Sick? of course not. But an open forum of different opinions so people

can make an informed decision 4 themselves, I would say yes! anybody who has

had an infection of this kind knows it is nothing 2 screw around with.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I've had hcg in fridge for 6

> > weeks, I'll take the

> > > > > > > chance if it's still effective or

> > not but health wise it

> > > > > > > wont kill me right?