Re: So I officially have low T

[Guest guest]

Wow and I have seen men go on this and end up with low T in that short of time.

Dr. is the only Dr. I know that is working with that link I gave you to try

to help them men. See is you can get your Dr. to work with him over the phone

to help you.

www.allthingsmale.com

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: So I officially have low T

>

> Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 1:28 PM

> Uh-oh been on it a little over a

> month.  That's how I originally found out I had low

> test. I went to my pcp because I was starting to see early

> stages of mpb. She rx'd propecia and ran labs. My results

> showed low test and referred me to a urologist. He knows I'm

> taking it but never brought it up as a cause

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

> > > > > Subject: Re: So I

> officially have

> > > low T

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 12:10

> PM

> > > > > Would taking Finasteride (Propecia)

> > > > > have any affect on my Testosterone?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Well you need Estradiol levels checked to the brain is your levels are very high

it looks like it's Testosterone and will slow down sending the LH message to

your Testis to make enough T.

Men make Estradiol from Testosterone and when Estradiol is to high it will think

it's Testosterone and slow down sending the LH message to your testis and you

end up with lower levels. Getting the Estraidol levels down your TT labs can go

up some 200 to 400 Points.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: So I officially have low T

>

> Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 1:32 PM

> BTW- why do I need those? Just want

> to be able to explain my request.

>

>

> > > >  >

> > > >  > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > >  > > Subject: RE: So

> I

> > > officially have low T

> > > >  > >

> > > >  > > Date: Saturday, February 12,

> 2011,

> > > 1:40 PM

> > > >  > > Good info, however what do men

> do who

> > > >  > > are on TRT and what to properly

> access

> > > sperm?

> > > >

> > > >  Hi,

> > > >

> > > >  well I'm one to talk... I'm 54 and have

> no

> > > natural children of my own... I have 2 wonderful

> step

> > > sons... both in their 20s.

> > > >

> > > >  and I didn't have to change either's

> diapers.

> > > :-}

> > > >

> > > >  you DO have alternatives if you want the

> pitter

> > > patter of dirty feet.

> > > >

> > > >  adopt... there are LOTS of kids that need

> a good

> > > home.

> > > >

> > > >  Oher was adopted by my neice's

> > > friend/neighbor... but they don't have to be

> stars to be

> > > good kids... you CAN make a differnce.

> > > >

> > > >  if having at least 1 set of genes matters

> to you

> > > you can go AI.

> > > >

> > > >  to me that upsets me more than adoption

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [The entire original message is not

> included]

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry for all the questions, but this is all new to me. So why do I need my

Cortisol, Thyroid and Ferritin labs

I've been training for a triathlon, so I tend to be on the dehydratated side. I

need to drink more water

> > > > >  >

> > > > >  > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > >  > > Subject: RE: So

> > I

> > > > officially have low T

> > > > >  > >

> > > > >  > > Date: Saturday, February 12,

> > 2011,

> > > > 1:40 PM

> > > > >  > > Good info, however what do men

> > do who

> > > > >  > > are on TRT and what to properly

> > access

> > > > sperm?

> > > > >

> > > > >  Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > >  well I'm one to talk... I'm 54 and have

> > no

> > > > natural children of my own... I have 2 wonderful

> > step

> > > > sons... both in their 20s.

> > > > >

> > > > >  and I didn't have to change either's

> > diapers.

> > > > :-}

> > > > >

> > > > >  you DO have alternatives if you want the

> > pitter

> > > > patter of dirty feet.

> > > > >

> > > > >  adopt... there are LOTS of kids that need

> > a good

> > > > home.

> > > > >

> > > > >  Oher was adopted by my neice's

> > > > friend/neighbor... but they don't have to be

> > stars to be

> > > > good kids... you CAN make a differnce.

> > > > >

> > > > >  if having at least 1 set of genes matters

> > to you

> > > > you can go AI.

> > > > >

> > > > >  to me that upsets me more than adoption

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [The entire original message is not

> > included]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I feel now that you said your training for a triathlon that you need to test

your cortisol levels even more. I say this because a lot of even young men that

come here with low Testsoterone. Have it from over training in the gym lifting

weights and going on diets that lower % of body fat.

You can be sick from this training not that I am saying your doing it wrong it

just happens. Hardasnails can tell you more about this he is a trainer.

Do you recover fast from you training or do you feel shakey, weak feel like you

need to lay down and sometimes get sick to your stomach. If you do this is low

cortisol and in most men along with this they have a low Thyroid.

We had a 16 yr. old kid over doing it to get down in a weight class for High

School wrestling. He was about 135 lbs 5' 5 " . It made him dam sick his body

shut down and was not making enough hormones.

Here is a copy of one of his posts at MESO.

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The sport that killed me

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I came across this article today and could not help but notice how reading this

study two years ago could have saved me a hell of a lot of trouble.

Testosterone and Rapid Weight Loss

June 26, 2009 by Jerry Brainum In 1997 three collegiate wrestlers made national

headlines by dying. The story was considered newsworthy not only because the

three young men had no history of illness but also because of accusations that

their use of creatine supplements had led to their untimely deaths. Subsequent

investigation revealed that creatine had nothing to do with it. There was no

evidence that they’d taken supplements in the days before they died. What

really killed them was dehydration, leading to kidney shutdown in two of the

wrestlers.

Making weight is common in many sports, and bodybuilders often try to reduce

bodyfat before a competition in order to highlight muscularity. The sensible

method of losing weight is a longer, slower process. Most professional

bodybuilders begin their contest preparations anywhere from three to six months

out from a contest; losing weight slowly preserves muscle and strength. Still,

it’s not uncommon for athletes to resort to sudden-death techniques of

dropping weight that, sadly, can result in just that. Few athletes pay the

ultimate price for injudicious dieting and training, but they do pay in more

subtle ways.

The cost of dropping weight too rapidly was highlighted in a recent study of 18

elite wrestlers who competed nationally and internationally.1 Rapid-weight-loss

programs are common in wrestling. Scientists monitored changes in the

wrestlers’ body composition, body chemistry, minerals and hormones over the

course of a two-to-three-week weight-reduction regimen.

The wrestlers—average age 21 with an age range of 17 to 31—were told to

restrict their intake of carbohydrates and fat but keep their protein intake

high, at two kilograms per pound of bodyweight, to prevent loss of lean mass.

Their daily calorie intake was 800 to 2,000, and they stimulated dehydration

during the last two days through heavy training and hot saunas, as well as

restricting fluid intake and lowering their daily calories to a maximum of

1,000. The wrestlers also took various minerals:

• 500 milligrams of potassium five times daily

• 247.5 milligrams of magnesium five times daily

• 300 milligrams of calcium twice daily

Although the authors didn’t discuss it, the wrestlers were taking low-quality

minerals. They used potassium chloride, which can have caustic effects in the

gastrointestinal tract; magnesium hydroxide, which rapidly brings on diarrhea;

and calcium carbonate, which is chalk and harder to absorb than other forms of

supplemental calcium. Even so, getting some minerals is better than getting

none. Odds are that their restricted diet was low on those minerals and that

side effects would have been much more in evidence without them. Remember, the

wrestlers were actively seeking dehydration to foster weight loss, and

dehydration causes mineral loss.

The weight-reduction program proved successful. The greatest overall weight loss

was 11 percent, along with an average 6.9 percent drop in bodyfat—not bad for

only two weeks. The wrestler also lost 2.9 percent lean mass, which could be a

combination of water and muscle.

Most alarming was the program’s effect on testosterone. The average drop was

33 percent, along with a 47 percent drop in luteinizing hormone, or LH, a

pituitary hormone that controls testosterone synthesis. Even worse, the

wrestlers’ sex hormone-binding globulin went up by 21 percent. SHBG binds

active testosterone in the blood, and the more SHBG your body has, the less

testosterone you have in your blood.

The fact that LH dropped by 47 percent reflects insufficient food intake,

coupled with high stress conditions. Note that the wrestlers didn’t do any

aerobics during their weight-loss program, only anaerobic exercise, such as

weight training and wrestling practice. Increased aerobic exercise, especially

when accompanied by an ultralow-calorie diet, is associated with low

testosterone and higher cortisol counts. The wrestlers reported increased

fatigue, tension and anger and reduced vigor. They also had trouble sleeping,

and stress from that further depleted their testosterone.

Insulinlike growth-factor 1 did not take a hit. IGF-1 is vital for muscle

repair. The authors think that the tapering exercise program the wrestlers used

may have maintained their IGF-1, or perhaps the program didn’t last long

enough to reflect any changes in that hormone. I would suggest two other

possible mechanisms. IGF-1 is related to both calorie and protein intake. The

wrestlers’ higher protein intake may have preserved their IGF-1, along with

their continued training. In addition, the carbohydrate and fat may have spurred

an increased release of growth hormone, which would be reflected by a higher

amount of IGF-1.

The information in this study applies to bodybuilders who don’t use anabolic

drugs. Natural bodybuilders who drop weight too fast by extreme dieting and

training will likely experience rapid drops in testosterone and growth hormone,

as well as a rise in cortisol. Result: significant muscle loss, along with a

slowdown in bodyfat loss due to lack of anabolic hormone support and a drop in

active thyroid hormone. So if you avoid pharmaceutical hormones, you should also

avoid crash dieting, unless you also want to crash your muscle gains.

A World Without Estrogen

Bodybuilders hear a lot of bad things about estrogen these days. Its evil

reputation is almost on par with cortisol, although the two hormones have little

in common other than both being steroids. Steroids, in case you’re confused,

refers to the molecular structure of the hormones and the fact that they’re

produced from cholesterol. Estrogen, testosterone, cortisol, aldosterone and

activated vitamin D are all steroids.

Judging by the number of supplements that claim to lower estrogen, it appears to

be a definite liability for bodybuilders. In males having an abundance of

estrogen is linked to water retention—caused by increased aldosterone and the

resulting sodium retention—subcutaneous bodyfat and gynecomastia. The

higher-than-usual estrogen seen in some bodybuilders is caused when aromatase, a

ubiquitous enzyme found throughout the body but particularly concentrated in fat

tissue, converts anabolic steroids to estrogen.

Bodybuilders who use large doses of anabolic steroids may have more estrogen

than young women do. Normally, men have about 10 times as much testosterone as

women, only 0.8 percent of which is converted into estrogen. That scenario

changes in the presence of huge doses of anabolic steroids, which is why

bodybuilders who juice also take drugs that either block estrogen cell receptors

(Nolvadex), or inhibit the aromatase enzyme directly (Arimidex).

What’s frequently overlooked is that estrogen may have benefits. It appears to

interact with androgen cell receptors, amplifying the impact of anabolic

steroids. Estrogen also maintains IGF-1, which has anabolic functions in muscle

besides helping muscle repair after exercise. Some emerging evidence shows that

estrogen may play a role in preventing excessive muscle damage during exercise.

From a cardiovascular protection viewpoint, estrogen is a paradox. In women it

appears to protect against cardiovascular disease by fostering higher levels of

high-density lipoprotein, the good kind of cholesterol, and maintaining the

elasticity of arteries. Having supple arteries helps protect against

atherosclerosis and high blood pressure.

Purveyors of anti-estrogen supplements frequently advise getting off them

because “estrogen offers cardiovascular protection in men,†but that idea

doesn’t jibe with the latest research. In a recent study that involved 933

young men, average age 19, researchers looked at the connection between the sex

hormones estradiol, estrone, testosterone and androstenedione and such major

cardiovascular-disease risk factors as high blood cholesterol, high blood

pressure and excess weight.2 Positive links emerged between higher estradiol and

total cholesterol, along with lower HDL. Having more estrone, a weaker estrogen,

was linked with increased total cholesterol and heightened LDL, which is also

linked to cardiovascular disease. Testosterone, which is often accused of

promoting cardiovascular disease in men, had no effect on any risk factors.

When estrogens are given to older men in hopes of preventing cardiovascular

disease, they usually increase they incidence of it. Clearly, estrogens are of

no benefit whatsoever to men of any age. Why they appear to protect women from

cardiovascular disease is still a biological mystery.

Some scientists suggest that increased estrogen, coupled with lower

testosterone, is responsible for many of the ills linked to the aging process in

men. Older men tend to have more bodyfat, and more bodyfat means more aromatase

activity and more estrogen. While there is only one known androgen cell

receptor, estrogen has two: estrogen receptor alpha (ERA) and estrogen receptor

beta (ERB). Androgens reduce the production of ERB, which in turn blunts the

activity of GLUT4, a vital glucose transporter protein, in muscle. A loss of

GLUT4 activity can increase insulin resistance and obesity, and when

testosterone recedes, ERB activity increases. In addition, having lower

testosterone leads to having more visceral, or deep-lying, abdominal fat, which

is most unhealthful. Unlike subcutaneous fat, which remains in one place,

visceral fat is constantly released into the blood, where it’s transported to

the liver. There it makes mischief as a prime cause of the

metabolic syndrome, cardiovascular disease, high blood pressure and diabetes.

Visceral fat is also rich in aromatase.

Some researchers suggest that because of the metabolic problem discussed above,

routine use of aromatase-inhibiting drugs should be considered a sensible

treatment for men who have higher estrogen and lower testosterone. Other

researchers, however, point to the effects of a total lack of aromatase in

animals bred to lack genes that produce it or humans born without the same

genes. Aromatase-knockout mice, as they’re called, have twice as much bodyfat

as their normal littermates. They also accumulate excess fat in their livers, a

condition that is corrected if they receive estrogen. They have resting insulin

three times greater than other mice. Human beings who lack aromatase have

similar conditions, including higher glucose, insulin and total and low-density

lipoprotein, which places them at risk for cardiovascular disease. The

abnormalities are all reversed in men who are given estrogen.

How that relates to those who use drugs that interfere with estrogen activity

becomes clear when you consider that labels on over-the-counter versions of

aromatase inhibitors always warn users not to take them all the time. That’s

good advice. None of the supplements completely knock out estrogen. A study3 of

young men given one milligram daily of Arimidex, which is far more potent than

any over-the-counter estrogen blocker, for 10 weeks found a 50 percent reduction

in estradiol, the most active form of estrogen. When you block estrogen in men,

you get a reciprocal increase in testosterone. Taking Arimidex caused a slight

rise in testosterone in the young men, but in older men who were low in

testosterone, taking the same drug in the same dose normalized testosterone. So

the effect on testosterone depends on how much your body is making in the first

place. As we’ve seen, because estrogen also increases SHBG and ties up

testosterone in the blood,

lowering estrogen boosts free, or active, testosterone by blunting SHBG

production in the liver.

A higher count of free testosterone, however, comes with a price.

Estrogen-blocking supplements don’t affect another enzyme, 5-alpha reductase,

which converts free testosterone into dihydrotestosterone, the hormone linked to

male-pattern baldness, acne and prostate disease. So in effect, you are trading

one set of problems (high estrogen) for another (high DHT). The effect isn’t

significant enough to cause problems with short-term use, but not getting off

such supplements periodically could present some real problems.

References

1 Karila, T.A.M., et al. (2008). Rapid weight loss decreases serum testosterone.

Int J Sports Med. 29(11):872-7.

2 Tomaszewski, M., et al. (2008). Association between lipid profile and

circulating concentrations of estrogens in young men. Atheroscl. In press.

3 Mauras, N., et al. (2000). Estrogen suppression in males: metabolic effects. J

Clin Endocrin Metabol. 85:2370-2377. IM

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Phil

> From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: So I officially have low T

>

> Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 7:02 PM

> Sorry for all the questions, but this

> is all new to me.  So why do I need my Cortisol,

> Thyroid and Ferritin labs

>

> I've been training for a triathlon, so I tend to be on the

> dehydratated side. I need to drink more water

>

>

>

> > > > > >  >

> > > > > >  > > From: uu1845@

> <uu1845@>

> > > > > >  > > Subject: RE:

> So

> > > I

> > > > > officially have low T

> > > > > >  > >

> > > > > >  > > Date: Saturday,

> February 12,

> > > 2011,

> > > > > 1:40 PM

> > > > > >  > > Good info, however

> what do men

> > > do who

> > > > > >  > > are on TRT and what to

> properly

> > > access

> > > > > sperm?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  well I'm one to talk... I'm 54

> and have

> > > no

> > > > > natural children of my own... I have 2

> wonderful

> > > step

> > > > > sons... both in their 20s.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  and I didn't have to change

> either's

> > > diapers.

> > > > > :-}

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  you DO have alternatives if you

> want the

> > > pitter

> > > > > patter of dirty feet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  adopt... there are LOTS of kids

> that need

> > > a good

> > > > > home.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  Oher was adopted by my

> neice's

> > > > > friend/neighbor... but they don't have

> to be

> > > stars to be

> > > > > good kids... you CAN make a differnce.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  if having at least 1 set of

> genes matters

> > > to you

> > > > > you can go AI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  to me that upsets me more than

> adoption

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [The entire original message is

> not

> > > included]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

There is a document of olympic athlete that died from adrenal issue. One needs

to look at electrolytes when dealing with these extreme sports, Thyroid is one

of the first things to be altered during endurance athletic events. I am very

familar with over traning syndrome as it almost killed me..LITERALLY..

> > > > > > >  >

> > > > > > >  > > From: uu1845@

> > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > >  > > Subject: RE:

> > So

> > > > I

> > > > > > officially have low T

> > > > > > >  > >

> > > > > > >  > > Date: Saturday,

> > February 12,

> > > > 2011,

> > > > > > 1:40 PM

> > > > > > >  > > Good info, however

> > what do men

> > > > do who

> > > > > > >  > > are on TRT and what to

> > properly

> > > > access

> > > > > > sperm?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  Hi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  well I'm one to talk... I'm 54

> > and have

> > > > no

> > > > > > natural children of my own... I have 2

> > wonderful

> > > > step

> > > > > > sons... both in their 20s.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  and I didn't have to change

> > either's

> > > > diapers.

> > > > > > :-}

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  you DO have alternatives if you

> > want the

> > > > pitter

> > > > > > patter of dirty feet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  adopt... there are LOTS of kids

> > that need

> > > > a good

> > > > > > home.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  Oher was adopted by my

> > neice's

> > > > > > friend/neighbor... but they don't have

> > to be

> > > > stars to be

> > > > > > good kids... you CAN make a differnce.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  if having at least 1 set of

> > genes matters

> > > > to you

> > > > > > you can go AI.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  to me that upsets me more than

> > adoption

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [The entire original message is

> > not

> > > > included]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Any tips to avoid over training? I have always wondered this, in the past I

workout pretty hard but I usually feel fine by 10-15 min afterwards, if I

remained tired I would just take a day off or so.

For example it is very annoying, especially when your struggling to lose

weight and can only seem to do so with exercise and very low calories, to

back off exercise as it seems I can gain like 5lbs in a day and once I stop

its hard to get going back again. I have never really found a good way to

determine if its a real need to back off, or just me being lazy...

BR//Matt

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:22 AM, hardasnails1973 <

hardasnails1973@...> wrote:

>

>

> There is a document of olympic athlete that died from adrenal issue. One

> needs to look at electrolytes when dealing with these extreme sports,

> Thyroid is one of the first things to be altered during endurance athletic

> events. I am very familar with over traning syndrome as it almost killed

> me..LITERALLY..

>

>

>

> > > > > > > >Â >

> > > > > > > >Â > > From: uu1845@

> > > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > >Â > > Subject: RE:

>

> > > So

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > officially have low T

> > > > > > > >Â > >

> > > > > > > >Â > > Date: Saturday,

>

> > > February 12,

> > > > > 2011,

> > > > > > > 1:40 PM

> > > > > > > >Â > > Good info, however

>

> > > what do men

> > > > > do who

> > > > > > > >Â > > are on TRT and what to

> > > properly

> > > > > access

> > > > > > > sperm?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â Hi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â well I'm one to talk... I'm 54

>

> > > and have

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > natural children of my own... I have 2

> > > wonderful

> > > > > step

> > > > > > > sons... both in their 20s.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â and I didn't have to change

> > > either's

> > > > > diapers.

> > > > > > > :-}

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â you DO have alternatives if you

>

> > > want the

> > > > > pitter

> > > > > > > patter of dirty feet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â adopt... there are LOTS of kids

>

> > > that need

> > > > > a good

> > > > > > > home.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â Oher was adopted by my

>

> > > neice's

> > > > > > > friend/neighbor... but they don't have

> > > to be

> > > > > stars to be

> > > > > > > good kids... you CAN make a differnce.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â if having at least 1 set of

>

> > > genes matters

> > > > > to you

> > > > > > > you can go AI.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â to me that upsets me more than

>

> > > adoption

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [The entire original message is

> > > not

> > > > > included]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Being and extreme athlete myself, I have made crucial mistakes in the past that

has lead to detrimental decline in my health. You may want to confir with me on

how we can work together to over come this. I have worked with several athletes

that have lead to burnout. Repairing the system is a challenge task which needs

to be done carefully and meticulously.

> > > > > > > > >Â >

> > > > > > > > >Â > > From: uu1845@

> > > > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > >Â > > Subject: RE:

> >

> > > > So

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > officially have low T

> > > > > > > > >Â > >

> > > > > > > > >Â > > Date: Saturday,

> >

> > > > February 12,

> > > > > > 2011,

> > > > > > > > 1:40 PM

> > > > > > > > >Â > > Good info, however

> >

> > > > what do men

> > > > > > do who

> > > > > > > > >Â > > are on TRT and what to

> > > > properly

> > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > sperm?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â well I'm one to talk... I'm 54

> >

> > > > and have

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > natural children of my own... I have 2

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > > step

> > > > > > > > sons... both in their 20s.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â and I didn't have to change

> > > > either's

> > > > > > diapers.

> > > > > > > > :-}

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â you DO have alternatives if you

> >

> > > > want the

> > > > > > pitter

> > > > > > > > patter of dirty feet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â adopt... there are LOTS of kids

> >

> > > > that need

> > > > > > a good

> > > > > > > > home.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â Oher was adopted by my

> >

> > > > neice's

> > > > > > > > friend/neighbor... but they don't have

> > > > to be

> > > > > > stars to be

> > > > > > > > good kids... you CAN make a differnce.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â if having at least 1 set of

> >

> > > > genes matters

> > > > > > to you

> > > > > > > > you can go AI.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Â to me that upsets me more than

> >

> > > > adoption

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[Guest guest]

Just one more thing because Hard is great at this. I am good at seeing this

happen to men. All you can do is get a 4x's in a day Cortisol Saliva test you

can buy this your self take this test on a normal type of day not the week end.

If you order a test just try to order the Cortisol test the sex hormones in them

tests are not anygood for men.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > There is a document of olympic athlete that died from

> adrenal issue. One

> > needs to look at electrolytes when dealing with these

> extreme sports,

> > Thyroid is one of the first things to be altered

> during endurance athletic

> > events. I am very familar with over traning syndrome

> as it almost killed

> > me..LITERALLY..

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > > > > >  >

> > > > > > > > >  > >

> From: uu1845@

> > > > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > >  > >

> Subject: RE:

> >

> > > > So

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > officially have low T

> > > > > > > > >  > >

>

> > > > > > > > >  > >

> Date: Saturday,

> >

> > > > February 12,

> > > > > > 2011,

> > > > > > > > 1:40 PM

> > > > > > > > >  > >

> Good info, however

> >

> > > > what do men

> > > > > > do who

> > > > > > > > >  > >

> are on TRT and what to

> > > > properly

> > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > sperm?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  well I'm

> one to talk... I'm 54

> >

> > > > and have

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > natural children of my

> own... I have 2

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > > step

> > > > > > > > sons... both in their

> 20s.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  and I

> didn't have to change

> > > > either's

> > > > > > diapers.

> > > > > > > > :-}

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  you DO have

> alternatives if you

> >

> > > > want the

> > > > > > pitter

> > > > > > > > patter of dirty feet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  adopt...

> there are LOTS of kids

> >

> > > > that need

> > > > > > a good

> > > > > > > > home.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 

> Oher was adopted by my

> >

> > > > neice's

> > > > > > > > friend/neighbor... but

> they don't have

> > > > to be

> > > > > > stars to be

> > > > > > > > good kids... you CAN

> make a differnce.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  if having

> at least 1 set of

> >

> > > > genes matters

> > > > > > to you

> > > > > > > > you can go AI.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  to me that

> upsets me more than

> >

> > > > adoption

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > [The entire

> original message is

> > > > not

> > > > > > included]

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[Guest guest]

Yes and this is very true I have men at my Thyroid forum that found out there

over doing it in the gym messed them up bad and it got to the point they could

not exercise any more. But just quiting did not fix them and most of there

Dr.'s did not know how to treat them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: So I officially have low T

>

> Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 11:36 AM

> Being and extreme athlete myself, I

> have made crucial mistakes in the past that has lead to

> detrimental decline in my health. You may want to confir

> with me on how we can work together to over come this. I

> have worked with several athletes that have lead to burnout.

> Repairing the system is a challenge task which needs to be

> done carefully and meticulously.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > >  >

> > > > > > > > > >  >

> > From: uu1845@

> > > > > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > > >  >

> > Subject: RE:

> > >

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > officially have low

> T

> > > > > > > > > >  >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >  >

> > Date: Saturday,

> > >

> > > > > February 12,

> > > > > > > 2011,

> > > > > > > > > 1:40 PM

> > > > > > > > > >  >

> > Good info, however

> > >

> > > > > what do men

> > > > > > > do who

> > > > > > > > > >  >

> > are on TRT and what to

> > > > > properly

> > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > sperm?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  well

> I'm one to talk... I'm 54

> > >

> > > > > and have

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > natural children of

> my own... I have 2

> > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > step

> > > > > > > > > sons... both in

> their 20s.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  and I

> didn't have to change

> > > > > either's

> > > > > > > diapers.

> > > > > > > > > :-}

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  you DO

> have alternatives if you

> > >

> > > > > want the

> > > > > > > pitter

> > > > > > > > > patter of dirty

> feet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 

> adopt... there are LOTS of kids

> > >

> > > > > that need

> > > > > > > a good

> > > > > > > > > home.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 

> Oher was adopted by my

> > >

> > > > > neice's

> > > > > > > > > friend/neighbor...

> but they don't have

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > stars to be

> > > > > > > > > good kids... you

> CAN make a differnce.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  if

> having at least 1 set of

> > >

> > > > > genes matters

> > > > > > > to you

> > > > > > > > > you can go AI.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  to me

> that upsets me more than

> > >

> > > > > adoption

> > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi JJ and welcome.

The tests like iron, ferritin, thyroid, adrenals and additional sex hormone

testing like estradiol are important because of how related they are to the

whole health picture. You may have low testosterone, but if these other

things aren't in line, then you won't feel your best. That's all. Many of us

have dealt with a thyroid or adrenal problem. Some, like me knew about a

thyroid problem before the other hormone issues became apparent.

Taking Finasteride and lowering DHT goes contrary to the way male hormones

work. Men have DHT for a reason.

-Nigel

On 13 February 2011 12:15, jjmill0 <no_reply > wrote:

>

>

> Thanks. I will go back to my pcp at see if she can run those labs. Anything

> else there that would indicate anything more serious? I don't want to start

> trt, if my low levels might be caused by something else?

>

[Guest guest]

Hardas, honestly, was it worth the health risks and complications in becoming a

body builder?

Re: Re: So I officially have low T

Any tips to avoid over training? I have always wondered this, in the past I

workout pretty hard but I usually feel fine by 10-15 min afterwards, if I

remained tired I would just take a day off or so.

For example it is very annoying, especially when your struggling to lose

weight and can only seem to do so with exercise and very low calories, to

back off exercise as it seems I can gain like 5lbs in a day and once I stop

its hard to get going back again. I have never really found a good way to

determine if its a real need to back off, or just me being lazy...

BR//Matt

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:22 AM, hardasnails1973 <

hardasnails1973@...> wrote:

>

>

> There is a document of olympic athlete that died from adrenal issue. One

> needs to look at electrolytes when dealing with these extreme sports,

> Thyroid is one of the first things to be altered during endurance athletic

> events. I am very familar with over traning syndrome as it almost killed

> me..LITERALLY..

>

>

>

> >

> > I feel now that you said your training for a triathlon that you need to

> test your cortisol levels even more. I say this because a lot of even young

> men that come here with low Testsoterone. Have it from over training in the

> gym lifting weights and going on diets that lower % of body fat.

> >

> > You can be sick from this training not that I am saying your doing it

> wrong it just happens. Hardasnails can tell you more about this he is a

> trainer.

> >

> > Do you recover fast from you training or do you feel shakey, weak feel

> like you need to lay down and sometimes get sick to your stomach. If you do

> this is low cortisol and in most men along with this they have a low

> Thyroid.

> >

> > We had a 16 yr. old kid over doing it to get down in a weight class for

> High School wrestling. He was about 135 lbs 5' 5 " . It made him dam sick his

> body shut down and was not making enough hormones.

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