Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

[Guest guest]

I have the same issue with edema.  I found that the higher the does, the more

the problem.  I get the weight gain (water) and I feel like my breathing is a

bit labored.  Do you experience the " breathing " issue as well?

I find little problem with 50mg, but had significant problems with 100mg.  I

went to see Dr. Crisler and told him what my problems are including these " side

effects " (if that's the right term).  He changed me from once a week of 100mg

to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd me from Testosterone Enanthate to

Testosterone Cypionate - he said that some of his patients experience a

histamine reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the Cypionate so I can't

tell you if the side effects are better with this than with the Enanthate. 

But, if you are using Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your doc to change it to

Cypionate and see what happens.

Bill

________________________________

From: phil <phildude43@...>

Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

 

I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I am lean, muscular with a very

good body fat composition for a 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on around 20

lbs since being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers and lower

legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if I decreased to 50mg twice a week

if I would lose this excess fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and

estradiol levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than 200 lbs.

[Guest guest]

Bill I have always used cypionate.No breathing problems just puffy finger,

swelling in lower legs in the evening and weight gain.Will decrease to 50mg

beginning with my next dose which is due at 6am.Phil

>

> I have the same issue with edema.  I found that the higher the does, the more

the problem.  I get the weight gain (water) and I feel like my breathing is a

bit labored.  Do you experience the " breathing " issue as well?

>

> I find little problem with 50mg, but had significant problems with 100mg.  I

went to see Dr. Crisler and told him what my problems are including these " side

effects " (if that's the right term).  He changed me from once a week of 100mg

to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd me from Testosterone Enanthate to

Testosterone Cypionate - he said that some of his patients experience a

histamine reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the Cypionate so I can't

tell you if the side effects are better with this than with the Enanthate. 

But, if you are using Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your doc to change it to

Cypionate and see what happens.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

> Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

>

>  

> I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I am lean, muscular with a very

good body fat composition for a 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on around 20

lbs since being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers and lower

legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if I decreased to 50mg twice a week

if I would lose this excess fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and

estradiol levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than 200 lbs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From what I understand, and I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as many others on

this board, it's the Estrogen increase that causes the water retention.  I may

be wrong though.....

________________________________

From: phil <phildude43@...>

Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 9:34:16 PM

Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

 

Bill I have always used cypionate.No breathing problems just puffy finger,

swelling in lower legs in the evening and weight gain.Will decrease to 50mg

beginning with my next dose which is due at 6am.Phil

>

> I have the same issue with edema.  I found that the higher the does, the

more the problem.  I get the weight gain (water) and I feel like my breathing

is a bit labored.  Do you experience the " breathing " issue as well?

>

> I find little problem with 50mg, but had significant problems with 100mg. 

I went to see Dr. Crisler and told him what my problems are including these

" side effects " (if that's the right term).  He changed me from once a week of

100mg to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd me from Testosterone

Enanthate to Testosterone Cypionate - he said that some of his patients

experience a histamine reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the

Cypionate so I can't tell you if the side effects are better with this than with

the Enanthate.  But, if you are using Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your

doc to change it to Cypionate and see what happens.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: phil <phildude43@ ...>

>

> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

> Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

>

>  

> I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I am lean, muscular with a very

good body fat composition for a 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on around 20

lbs since being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers and lower

legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if I decreased to 50mg twice a week

if I would lose this excess fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and

estradiol levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than 200 lbs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this is entirely true. I started on Tcyp mid Feb. In the 1st two

wks. I put on 10lbs. My E2 was at 4 when I started and body fat about 20%. I was

tested mid march and my E2 was 14 with 20% b.f. I haven't put on anymore weight.

My fingers and ankles were never swollen.

I assume the weight gain was water.

> >

> > I have the same issue with edema.  I found that the higher the does, the

more the problem.  I get the weight gain (water) and I feel like my breathing

is a bit labored.  Do you experience the " breathing " issue as well?

> >

> > I find little problem with 50mg, but had significant problems with

100mg.  I went to see Dr. Crisler and told him what my problems are including

these " side effects " (if that's the right term).  He changed me from once a

week of 100mg to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd me from Testosterone

Enanthate to Testosterone Cypionate - he said that some of his patients

experience a histamine reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the

Cypionate so I can't tell you if the side effects are better with this than with

the Enanthate.  But, if you are using Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your

doc to change it to Cypionate and see what happens.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: phil <phildude43@ ...>

> >

> > Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

> > Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

> >

> >  

> > I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I am lean, muscular with a

very good body fat composition for a 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on

around 20 lbs since being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers and

lower legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if I decreased to 50mg twice a

week if I would lose this excess fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and

estradiol levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than 200 lbs.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

From day one I would hold water on TRT my dose never changed this. I feel this

way about lowing ones does to try to fix something. You feel good leave it as

it is going down can make you feel dam bad and it will take sometime for your

body to adjust to the lower levels if it dose. I now need a water pill everyday

after having Heart by-pass sugary.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

> Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

>

> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 7:02 PM

> I have been taking around 70-80mg

> twice a week.I am lean, muscular with a very good body fat

> composition for a 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on

> around 20 lbs since being on test for 5 months.Some swelling

> of my fingers and lower legs.Occ take a diuretic which

> helps.Wonder if I decreased to 50mg twice a week if I would

> lose this excess fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test

> and estradiol levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range

> rathar than 200 lbs.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes a big part of being on TRT we get higher levels of Estradiol this is the bad

guy for men. But long before I had Estradiol problems I would hold water on TRT

my hands and feet would swell. If your Estradiol levels are high you can lose

10lbs of water getting it down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

>

> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 2:21 AM

> From what I understand, and I'm not

> nearly as knowledgeable as many others on this board, it's

> the Estrogen increase that causes the water retention.  I

> may be wrong though.....

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 9:34:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT

> dose related?

>

>  

> Bill I have always used cypionate.No breathing problems

> just puffy finger, swelling in lower legs in the evening and

> weight gain.Will decrease to 50mg beginning with my next

> dose which is due at 6am.Phil

>

>

> >

> > I have the same issue with edema.  I found that the

> higher the does, the more the problem.  I get the weight

> gain (water) and I feel like my breathing is a bit

> labored.  Do you experience the " breathing " issue as

> well?

> >

> > I find little problem with 50mg, but had significant

> problems with 100mg.  I went to see Dr. Crisler and told

> him what my problems are including these " side effects " (if

> that's the right term).  He changed me from once a week

> of 100mg to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd me

> from Testosterone Enanthate to Testosterone Cypionate - he

> said that some of his patients experience a histamine

> reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the

> Cypionate so I can't tell you if the side effects are better

> with this than with the Enanthate.  But, if you are using

> Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your doc to change it to

> Cypionate and see what happens.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: phil <phildude43@ ...>

> >

> > Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

> > Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT

> dose related?

> >

> >  

> > I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I am

> lean, muscular with a very good body fat composition for a

> 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on around 20 lbs since

> being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers and

> lower legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if I

> decreased to 50mg twice a week if I would lose this excess

> fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and estradiol

> levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than 200

> lbs.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, I got a new job and I have to do a drug test, but I am worried because

I am injected HCG and HGH pills  and DIM pills, do you think that this affect

negative my test result?

 

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 10:15:06 AM

Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

 

Yes a big part of being on TRT we get higher levels of Estradiol this is the bad

guy for men. But long before I had Estradiol problems I would hold water on TRT

my hands and feet would swell. If your Estradiol levels are high you can lose

10lbs of water getting it down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten>

> Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

>

> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 2:21 AM

> From what I understand, and I'm not

> nearly as knowledgeable as many others on this board, it's

> the Estrogen increase that causes the water retention.  I

> may be wrong though.....

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: phil <phildude43 (DOT) com>

>

> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 9:34:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT

> dose related?

>

>  

> Bill I have always used cypionate.No breathing problems

> just puffy finger, swelling in lower legs in the evening and

> weight gain.Will decrease to 50mg beginning with my next

> dose which is due at 6am.Phil

>

>

> >

> > I have the same issue with edema.  I found that the

> higher the does, the more the problem.  I get the weight

> gain (water) and I feel like my breathing is a bit

> labored.  Do you experience the " breathing " issue as

> well?

> >

> > I find little problem with 50mg, but had significant

> problems with 100mg.  I went to see Dr. Crisler and told

> him what my problems are including these " side effects " (if

> that's the right term).  He changed me from once a week

> of 100mg to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd me

> from Testosterone Enanthate to Testosterone Cypionate - he

> said that some of his patients experience a histamine

> reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the

> Cypionate so I can't tell you if the side effects are better

> with this than with the Enanthate.  But, if you are using

> Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your doc to change it to

> Cypionate and see what happens.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: phil <phildude43@ ...>

> >

> > Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

> > Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT

> dose related?

> >

> >  

> > I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I am

> lean, muscular with a very good body fat composition for a

> 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on around 20 lbs since

> being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers and

> lower legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if I

> decreased to 50mg twice a week if I would lose this excess

> fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and estradiol

> levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than 200

> lbs.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

________________________________

From: Arnoldo . Parada <joar64@...>

Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 11:19:05 AM

Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

 

, I got a new job and I have to do a drug test, but I am worried because

I am injected HCG and HGH pills  and DIM pills, do you think that this affect

negative my test result?

 

____________ _________ _________ __

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) com>

Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 10:15:06 AM

Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

 

Yes a big part of being on TRT we get higher levels of Estradiol this is the bad

guy for men. But long before I had Estradiol problems I would hold water on TRT

my hands and feet would swell. If your Estradiol levels are high you can lose

10lbs of water getting it down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten>

> Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT dose related?

>

> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 2:21 AM

> From what I understand, and I'm not

> nearly as knowledgeable as many others on this board, it's

> the Estrogen increase that causes the water retention.  I

> may be wrong though.....

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: phil <phildude43@ . com>

>

> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 9:34:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with TRT

> dose related?

>

>  

> Bill I have always used cypionate.No breathing problems

> just puffy finger, swelling in lower legs in the evening and

> weight gain.Will decrease to 50mg beginning with my next

> dose which is due at 6am.Phil

>

>

> >

> > I have the same issue with edema.  I found that the

> higher the does, the more the problem.  I get the weight

> gain (water) and I feel like my breathing is a bit

> labored.  Do you experience the " breathing " issue as

> well?

> >

> > I find little problem with 50mg, but had significant

> problems with 100mg.  I went to see Dr. Crisler and told

> him what my problems are including these " side effects " (if

> that's the right term).  He changed me from once a week

> of 100mg to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd me

> from Testosterone Enanthate to Testosterone Cypionate - he

> said that some of his patients experience a histamine

> reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the

> Cypionate so I can't tell you if the side effects are better

> with this than with the Enanthate.  But, if you are using

> Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your doc to change it to

> Cypionate and see what happens.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: phil <phildude43@ ...>

> >

> > Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

> > Subject: Is fluid retention with TRT

> dose related?

> >

> >  

> > I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I am

> lean, muscular with a very good body fat composition for a

> 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on around 20 lbs since

> being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers and

> lower legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if I

> decreased to 50mg twice a week if I would lose this excess

> fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and estradiol

> levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than 200

> lbs.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't know but HCG is not going to do anything to your test. And DIM will not

do anything so if your not on Testosterone you should be good. As for HGH pills

never heard of them and from what I know about HGH pills and sprays don't work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Bill Totten <bill_totten>

> > Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with

> TRT dose related?

> >

> > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 2:21 AM

> > From what I understand, and I'm not

> > nearly as knowledgeable as many others on this board,

> it's

> > the Estrogen increase that causes the water

> retention.  I

> > may be wrong though.....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: phil <phildude43 (DOT) com>

> >

> > Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 9:34:16 PM

> > Subject: Re: Is fluid retention with

> TRT

> > dose related?

> >

> >  

> > Bill I have always used cypionate.No breathing

> problems

> > just puffy finger, swelling in lower legs in the

> evening and

> > weight gain.Will decrease to 50mg beginning with my

> next

> > dose which is due at 6am.Phil

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I have the same issue with edema.  I found

> that the

> > higher the does, the more the problem.  I get the

> weight

> > gain (water) and I feel like my breathing is a bit

> > labored.  Do you experience the " breathing "

> issue as

> > well?

> > >

> > > I find little problem with 50mg, but had

> significant

> > problems with 100mg.  I went to see Dr. Crisler and

> told

> > him what my problems are including these " side

> effects " (if

> > that's the right term).  He changed me from once a

> week

> > of 100mg to twice a week of 50mg.  He also chanegd

> me

> > from Testosterone Enanthate to Testosterone Cypionate

> - he

> > said that some of his patients experience a histamine

> > reaction to the T-Enanthate.  I just started the

> > Cypionate so I can't tell you if the side effects are

> better

> > with this than with the Enanthate.  But, if you are

> using

> > Enanthate, maybe you can you ask your doc to change it

> to

> > Cypionate and see what happens.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: phil <phildude43@ ...>

> > >

> > > Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:02:14 PM

> > > Subject: Is fluid retention with

> TRT

> > dose related?

> > >

> > >  

> > > I have been taking around 70-80mg twice a week.I

> am

> > lean, muscular with a very good body fat composition

> for a

> > 54 Y/O.My waist remains 34.Have put on around 20 lbs

> since

> > being on test for 5 months.Some swelling of my fingers

> and

> > lower legs.Occ take a diuretic which helps.Wonder if

> I

> > decreased to 50mg twice a week if I would lose this

> excess

> > fluid.I feel good so I feel certain my test and

> estradiol

> > levels are in line.Just like a 180lb range rathar than

> 200

> > lbs.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

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