Re: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I do first?

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome,

Your T is to low and your Estradiol is fine so yes do more testing to find out

why your low at 39 I tested at 120 but I had no problems with sex. Yes men that

go a long time with low T will feel Depressed and when they go on TRT this

feeling goes away.

Go to Dr. 's site read TRT : A Recipe for Success and in this are labs you

need and why do them.

www.allthingsmale.com

If your LH and FSH are high with your Estradiol at about 20 pg/ml it can mean

your testis are not working you need to be checked out by a Uro to rule out

cancer before starting TRT.

If your LH and FSH are low with good Estradiol levels it can mean your Pituitary

is not working and you need to looked at to rule out a tumor.

Then there are a lot of other things that will lower a mans T levels. Read this

link and the links in it if you find out what is wrong and fix it levels can

come back up.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553

In this link it tells you all you need to know about low T.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Before you start on TRT post your labs and what your Dr. is going to do to treat

you. We can still help out.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: fetaljunk <no_reply >

> Subject: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I do

first?

>

> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 3:42 PM

> Hi, I'm new here, and looking for

> some advice. My situation: 39yo, I've gone to my Dr off and

> on for the past few years for fatigue and libido

> issues.  Tested low normal for T levels, and previously

> high normal for Estrogen, which I lowered with

> Arimidex.  My symptoms tend to come and go, so I

> haven't done much else.  Lately, been feeling bad again

> (after a few months last year of being pretty good), so went

> back to the doc.  My symptoms, lately:  Waking up

> feeling tired, trouble focusing, brain fog, occasional low

> blood pressure spikes, often feel like I'm fighting a cold.

> Very random; I'll feel great for a couple of days, then, for

> no reason, the next day I feel beat, like I'm getting sick

> (stuffy nose, sore and stiff), but I never quite do. 

> Libido is also random; usually low to non-existant, but

> sometimes strong.  Can usually get erections with porn,

> if I'm already feeling in the mood, sometimes strong,

> sometimes weak.  Had trouble getting and maintaining,

> off and on, with 2 different girlfriends over the past 8

> years.  Sometimes, I'm great for a bit, then nothing

> for a week, a month, or more.

>

> My Dr always immediately wants to blame it on depression,

> he sees it as a cause, not a symptom.  Also doesn't

> seem to think that Estrogen is a concern, I've had to ask

> for that test, and even when it was high normal, he ignored

> it and offered to give me T shots to see if it would make me

> feel better.  After this latest round of tests, I'm

> pretty sure he's going to offer T injections again, and I'd

> consider it at this point.  I'm just wondering what

> other tests I should demand first, and what I should

> continue to monitor after I start.  Also, should I try

> to get a scan of my pituitary?  One problem I have with

> my doc, is that he really doesn't seem interested in finding

> out why my T is low.  Just wants to put a bandaid on

> it, and hope that it works.

>

> My latest levels:

> Test - 300 - range 220-800 NG/DL

> Estradiol - 22 - range 8-43 PG/ML

>

> He didn't think it was important to check free T. 

> Last time I had that done, it was in the lower 3rd of the

> range.  At that time, I went to an Endo, who tested LH

> (right in the middle of the range), who simply said that

> indicated my T level was fine.  Jackass....

>

> So, based on experiences here, should I ask my doc for more

> tests before getting on T, and which ones?  I think I

> can get him to do it, even if he doesn't understand it or

> think it's important.  Or, should I find a new

> doctor?  Anyone know a good one in Seattle?  Or,

> do you think my level is good enough, and probably not my

> problem?

>

> Thanks for reading this long post, and for any advice you

> can give.... this group has already helped me out, and I

> appreciate it.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links and advice, Phil! I'll do some reading tonight, hopefully

be able to take some good stuff to my doctor. I'm sure he'll hate that, but if

he doesn't want to help me figure out " why " , then I'll just find a doctor that

will.

>

> Hi and welcome,

>

> Your T is to low and your Estradiol is fine so yes do more testing to find out

why your low at 39 I tested at 120 but I had no problems with sex. Yes men that

go a long time with low T will feel Depressed and when they go on TRT this

feeling goes away.

>

> Go to Dr. 's site read TRT : A Recipe for Success and in this are labs you

need and why do them.

> www.allthingsmale.com

>

> If your LH and FSH are high with your Estradiol at about 20 pg/ml it can mean

your testis are not working you need to be checked out by a Uro to rule out

cancer before starting TRT.

>

> If your LH and FSH are low with good Estradiol levels it can mean your

Pituitary is not working and you need to looked at to rule out a tumor.

>

> Then there are a lot of other things that will lower a mans T levels. Read

this link and the links in it if you find out what is wrong and fix it levels

can come back up.

> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553

>

> In this link it tells you all you need to know about low T.

> http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

>

> Before you start on TRT post your labs and what your Dr. is going to do to

treat you. We can still help out.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

You got it now this is what counts keep us posted how it goes.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: fetaljunk <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I

do first?

>

> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 4:36 PM

> Thanks for the links and advice,

> Phil! I'll do some reading tonight, hopefully be able to

> take some good stuff to my doctor.  I'm sure he'll hate

> that, but if he doesn't want to help me figure out " why " ,

> then I'll just find a doctor that will.

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi and welcome,

> >

> > Your T is to low and your Estradiol is fine so yes do

> more testing to find out why your low at 39 I tested at 120

> but I had no problems with sex.  Yes men that go a long

> time with low T will feel Depressed and when they go on TRT

> this feeling goes away.

> >

> > Go to Dr. 's site read TRT : A Recipe for Success

> and in this are labs you need and why do them.

> > www.allthingsmale.com

> >

> > If your LH and FSH are high with your Estradiol at

> about 20 pg/ml it can mean your testis are not working you

> need to be checked out by a Uro to rule out cancer before

> starting TRT.

> >

> > If your LH and FSH are low with good Estradiol levels

> it can mean your Pituitary is not working and you need to

> looked at to rule out a tumor.

> >

> > Then there are a lot of other things that will lower a

> mans T levels.  Read this link and the links in it if

> you find out what is wrong and fix it levels can come back

> up.

> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553

> >

> > In this link it tells you all you need to know about

> low T.

> > http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

> >

> > Before you start on TRT post your labs and what your

> Dr. is going to do to treat you.  We can still help

> out.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

May well be adrenal fatigue.  Google it and note the symptoms.  Sure sounds

like you.

Bill

________________________________

From: fetaljunk <no_reply >

Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 3:42:01 PM

Subject: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I do

first?

 

Hi, I'm new here, and looking for some advice. My situation: 39yo, I've gone to

my Dr off and on for the past few years for fatigue and libido issues. Tested

low normal for T levels, and previously high normal for Estrogen, which I

lowered with Arimidex. My symptoms tend to come and go, so I haven't done much

else. Lately, been feeling bad again (after a few months last year of being

pretty good), so went back to the doc. My symptoms, lately: Waking up feeling

tired, trouble focusing, brain fog, occasional low blood pressure spikes, often

feel like I'm fighting a cold. Very random; I'll feel great for a couple of

days, then, for no reason, the next day I feel beat, like I'm getting sick

(stuffy nose, sore and stiff), but I never quite do. Libido is also random;

usually low to non-existant, but sometimes strong. Can usually get erections

with porn, if I'm already feeling in the mood, sometimes strong, sometimes weak.

Had trouble getting and maintaining,

off and on, with 2 different girlfriends over the past 8 years. Sometimes, I'm

great for a bit, then nothing for a week, a month, or more.

My Dr always immediately wants to blame it on depression, he sees it as a cause,

not a symptom. Also doesn't seem to think that Estrogen is a concern, I've had

to ask for that test, and even when it was high normal, he ignored it and

offered to give me T shots to see if it would make me feel better. After this

latest round of tests, I'm pretty sure he's going to offer T injections again,

and I'd consider it at this point. I'm just wondering what other tests I should

demand first, and what I should continue to monitor after I start. Also, should

I try to get a scan of my pituitary? One problem I have with my doc, is that he

really doesn't seem interested in finding out why my T is low. Just wants to put

a bandaid on it, and hope that it works.

My latest levels:

Test - 300 - range 220-800 NG/DL

Estradiol - 22 - range 8-43 PG/ML

He didn't think it was important to check free T. Last time I had that done, it

was in the lower 3rd of the range. At that time, I went to an Endo, who tested

LH (right in the middle of the range), who simply said that indicated my T level

was fine. Jackass....

So, based on experiences here, should I ask my doc for more tests before getting

on T, and which ones? I think I can get him to do it, even if he doesn't

understand it or think it's important. Or, should I find a new doctor? Anyone

know a good one in Seattle? Or, do you think my level is good enough, and

probably not my problem?

Thanks for reading this long post, and for any advice you can give.... this

group has already helped me out, and I appreciate it.

[Guest guest]

fetaljunk:

Adrenal fatigue....

I went to see a Dr. Crisler about my problems that are similar to yours. In

this forum you will see a co-moderator named Phil. He knows Dr. Crisler somehow

as I see him mention " Dr. " in many of his messages.  It seems Dr. Crisler

is well-known as I have seen him in other forums and his work (see

www.allthingsmale.com) is pretty in-depth and it makes sense to me.  So.... I

made an appointment and went to see him as I have had no luck with my primary

doctor.

 

Dr. Crisler diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue this last Tuesday.  I drove from

Indiana to Michigan to see him.  He hasn't done much yet as far as prescribing

anything except that he prescribed testosterone Cypionate injections (2 x week @

50mg).  After a month of this I am going to take a 24-hour urine test thst Dr.

Crisler ordered.  He says that the test will tell him how my adrenals are

doing.  Once he sees the results of that test he will either confirm that my

adrenals are the problem (and treat me for that) or he will run further tests to

see what is going on.

 

So... I don't know what the treatment is for adrenal faitigue.  If you can't

afford a doctor or find one that knows what they are doing (they are hard to

find), then ask Phil on this board what he recommends.

 

Good luck - let me know if I can be of any more help.

Bill

________________________________

From: fetaljunk <no_reply >

Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 3:42:01 PM

Subject: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I do

first?

 

Hi, I'm new here, and looking for some advice. My situation: 39yo, I've gone to

my Dr off and on for the past few years for fatigue and libido issues. Tested

low normal for T levels, and previously high normal for Estrogen, which I

lowered with Arimidex. My symptoms tend to come and go, so I haven't done much

else. Lately, been feeling bad again (after a few months last year of being

pretty good), so went back to the doc. My symptoms, lately: Waking up feeling

tired, trouble focusing, brain fog, occasional low blood pressure spikes, often

feel like I'm fighting a cold. Very random; I'll feel great for a couple of

days, then, for no reason, the next day I feel beat, like I'm getting sick

(stuffy nose, sore and stiff), but I never quite do. Libido is also random;

usually low to non-existant, but sometimes strong. Can usually get erections

with porn, if I'm already feeling in the mood, sometimes strong, sometimes weak.

Had trouble getting and maintaining,

off and on, with 2 different girlfriends over the past 8 years. Sometimes, I'm

great for a bit, then nothing for a week, a month, or more.

My Dr always immediately wants to blame it on depression, he sees it as a cause,

not a symptom. Also doesn't seem to think that Estrogen is a concern, I've had

to ask for that test, and even when it was high normal, he ignored it and

offered to give me T shots to see if it would make me feel better. After this

latest round of tests, I'm pretty sure he's going to offer T injections again,

and I'd consider it at this point. I'm just wondering what other tests I should

demand first, and what I should continue to monitor after I start. Also, should

I try to get a scan of my pituitary? One problem I have with my doc, is that he

really doesn't seem interested in finding out why my T is low. Just wants to put

a bandaid on it, and hope that it works.

My latest levels:

Test - 300 - range 220-800 NG/DL

Estradiol - 22 - range 8-43 PG/ML

He didn't think it was important to check free T. Last time I had that done, it

was in the lower 3rd of the range. At that time, I went to an Endo, who tested

LH (right in the middle of the range), who simply said that indicated my T level

was fine. Jackass....

So, based on experiences here, should I ask my doc for more tests before getting

on T, and which ones? I think I can get him to do it, even if he doesn't

understand it or think it's important. Or, should I find a new doctor? Anyone

know a good one in Seattle? Or, do you think my level is good enough, and

probably not my problem?

Thanks for reading this long post, and for any advice you can give.... this

group has already helped me out, and I appreciate it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice, Bill. I was just eyeing the 24-hour cortisol test on one

of those lab websites. Think I'll definitely get one of those. Are you saying

that Dr Crisler prescribed T injections even though he thinks you've got adrenal

fatigue? I wonder if there isn't any other treatment for that.... have to do a

bit of research on it.

I lived in Indiana myself, many years ago, the South Bend area. Can we blame

Indiana for our troubles?

>

> fetaljunk:

> Adrenal fatigue....

> I went to see a Dr. Crisler about my problems that are similar to yours. In

this forum you will see a co-moderator named Phil. He knows Dr. Crisler somehow

as I see him mention " Dr. " in many of his messages.  It seems Dr. Crisler

is well-known as I have seen him in other forums and his work (see

www.allthingsmale.com) is pretty in-depth and it makes sense to me.  So.... I

made an appointment and went to see him as I have had no luck with my primary

doctor.

>  

> Dr. Crisler diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue this last Tuesday.  I drove

from Indiana to Michigan to see him.  He hasn't done much yet as far as

prescribing anything except that he prescribed testosterone Cypionate injections

(2 x week @ 50mg).  After a month of this I am going to take a 24-hour urine

test thst Dr. Crisler ordered.  He says that the test will tell him how my

adrenals are doing.  Once he sees the results of that test he will either

confirm that my adrenals are the problem (and treat me for that) or he will run

further tests to see what is going on.

>  

> So... I don't know what the treatment is for adrenal faitigue.  If you can't

afford a doctor or find one that knows what they are doing (they are hard to

find), then ask Phil on this board what he recommends.

>  

> Good luck - let me know if I can be of any more help.

> Bill

[Guest guest]

You would be better off doing a 4x's in a day Saliva test on your Cortisol

levels this will show how your levels are accross the day and if your rithum is

right. You should be high in the morning and going down by bedtime.

In this link are the stages of AF.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%201%20.html

I just read the other day Quest labs has this test now.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: fetaljunk <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I

do first?

>

> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 8:21 PM

> Thanks for the advice, Bill.  I

> was just eyeing the 24-hour cortisol test on one of those

> lab websites. Think I'll definitely get one of those. 

> Are you saying that Dr Crisler prescribed T injections even

> though he thinks you've got adrenal fatigue?  I wonder

> if there isn't any other treatment for that.... have to do a

> bit of research on it.

>

> I lived in Indiana myself, many years ago, the South Bend

> area.  Can we blame Indiana for our troubles?

>

>

> >

> > fetaljunk:

> > Adrenal fatigue....

> >  I went to see a Dr. Crisler about my problems

> that are similar to yours. In this forum you will see a

> co-moderator named Phil. He knows Dr. Crisler somehow as I

> see him mention " Dr. " in many of his messages.  It

> seems Dr. Crisler is well-known as I have seen him in other

> forums and his work (see www.allthingsmale.com) is pretty

> in-depth and it makes sense to me.  So.... I made an

> appointment and went to see him as I have had no luck with

> my primary doctor.

> >  

> > Dr. Crisler diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue this

> last Tuesday.  I drove from Indiana to Michigan to see

> him.  He hasn't done much yet as far as prescribing

> anything except that he prescribed testosterone Cypionate

> injections (2 x week @ 50mg).  After a month of this I am

> going to take a 24-hour urine test thst Dr. Crisler

> ordered.  He says that the test will tell him how my

> adrenals are doing.  Once he sees the results of that

> test he will either confirm that my adrenals are the problem

> (and treat me for that) or he will run further tests to see

> what is going on.

> >  

> > So... I don't know what the treatment is for adrenal

> faitigue.  If you can't afford a doctor or find one that

> knows what they are doing (they are hard to find), then ask

> Phil on this board what he recommends.

> >  

> > Good luck - let me know if I can be of any more help.

> > Bill 

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with low T prior to seeing Dr. Crisler so I expect (though he

didn't say so) that he is just continuing the T, changing from T-Enanthate to

T-Cypionate.  He did say there are treatments for adrenal fatigue, but he

needs to see the results of the urine test before he does anything about the

adrenal fatigue.

Is TRT bad for people with adrenal fatigue?

Bill

________________________________

From: fetaljunk <no_reply >

Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 8:21:07 PM

Subject: Re: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I

do first?

 

Thanks for the advice, Bill. I was just eyeing the 24-hour cortisol test on one

of those lab websites. Think I'll definitely get one of those. Are you saying

that Dr Crisler prescribed T injections even though he thinks you've got adrenal

fatigue? I wonder if there isn't any other treatment for that.... have to do a

bit of research on it.

I lived in Indiana myself, many years ago, the South Bend area. Can we blame

Indiana for our troubles?

>

> fetaljunk:

> Adrenal fatigue....

> I went to see a Dr. Crisler about my problems that are similar to yours. In

this forum you will see a co-moderator named Phil. He knows Dr. Crisler somehow

as I see him mention " Dr. " in many of his messages.  It seems Dr.

Crisler is well-known as I have seen him in other forums and his work (see

www.allthingsmale. com) is pretty in-depth and it makes sense to me.  So....

I made an appointment and went to see him as I have had no luck with my primary

doctor.

>  

> Dr. Crisler diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue this last Tuesday.  I drove

from Indiana to Michigan to see him.  He hasn't done much yet as far as

prescribing anything except that he prescribed testosterone Cypionate injections

(2 x week @ 50mg).  After a month of this I am going to take a 24-hour urine

test thst Dr. Crisler ordered.  He says that the test will tell him how my

adrenals are doing.  Once he sees the results of that test he will either

confirm that my adrenals are the problem (and treat me for that) or he will run

further tests to see what is going on.

>  

> So... I don't know what the treatment is for adrenal faitigue.  If you

can't afford a doctor or find one that knows what they are doing (they are hard

to find), then ask Phil on this board what he recommends.

>  

> Good luck - let me know if I can be of any more help.

> Bill

[Guest guest]

Most men that have low T end up with Adrenal Fatigue. So going on TRT helps

with it your stress levels will come down as you get your Testosterone and

Estradiol levels leveled.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Is HRT right for me, and what other tests should I

do first?

>

> Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:57 PM

> I was diagnosed with low T prior to

> seeing Dr. Crisler so I expect (though he didn't say so)

> that he is just continuing the T, changing from T-Enanthate

> to T-Cypionate.  He did say there are treatments for

> adrenal fatigue, but he needs to see the results of the

> urine test before he does anything about the adrenal

> fatigue.

>

> Is TRT bad for people with adrenal fatigue?

> Bill

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: fetaljunk <no_reply >

>

> Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 8:21:07 PM

> Subject: Re: Is HRT right for me, and what

> other tests should I do first?

>

>  

> Thanks for the advice, Bill. I was just eyeing the 24-hour

> cortisol test on one of those lab websites. Think I'll

> definitely get one of those. Are you saying that Dr Crisler

> prescribed T injections even though he thinks you've got

> adrenal fatigue? I wonder if there isn't any other treatment

> for that.... have to do a bit of research on it.

>

> I lived in Indiana myself, many years ago, the South Bend

> area. Can we blame Indiana for our troubles?

>

>

> >

> > fetaljunk:

> > Adrenal fatigue....

> > I went to see a Dr. Crisler about my problems that are

> similar to yours. In this forum you will see a co-moderator

> named Phil. He knows Dr. Crisler somehow as I see him

> mention " Dr. " in many of his messages.  It seems Dr.

> Crisler is well-known as I have seen him in other forums and

> his work (see www.allthingsmale. com) is pretty in-depth and

> it makes sense to me.  So.... I made an appointment and

> went to see him as I have had no luck with my primary

> doctor.

> >  

> > Dr. Crisler diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue this

> last Tuesday.  I drove from Indiana to Michigan to see

> him.  He hasn't done much yet as far as prescribing

> anything except that he prescribed testosterone Cypionate

> injections (2 x week @ 50mg).  After a month of this I am

> going to take a 24-hour urine test thst Dr. Crisler

> ordered.  He says that the test will tell him how my

> adrenals are doing.  Once he sees the results of that

> test he will either confirm that my adrenals are the problem

> (and treat me for that) or he will run further tests to see

> what is going on.

> >  

> > So... I don't know what the treatment is for adrenal

> faitigue.  If you can't afford a doctor or find one that

> knows what they are doing (they are hard to find), then ask

> Phil on this board what he recommends.

> >  

> > Good luck - let me know if I can be of any more help.

> > Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>