Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

[Guest guest]

Phil thank you again for all of your help. 

You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer why I am having night

sweats.

I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

AST        35

ALT        28

TSH        2.19

T4 total    8.5

T4 Free    2.9

T3 Free    2.7

T3 Total   56 (low)

T3 Uptake  34

IGF I         238

Testostrone     673

Free                 203.9

Estradiol         16

[Guest guest]

You feel good at this it looks to me like the synthroid T4 only is not

converting into T3 your Free T3 is low best between 3.3 to 3.9.

Ask your Dr. about adding in some Liothyonine 5mcgs starting with one pill / day

going up to 2 pills after about 3 weeks then go bay your labs see if your need

more I do 150 mcgs of Synthroid generic / day with 5 mcgs of T3 only 3x's / day

I feel dam good this might be why your sweating at night.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> Subject: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

>

> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 10:54 AM

> Phil thank you again for all of your

> help. 

>

> You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer why

> I am having night

> sweats.

>

> I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

>

> AST        35

> ALT        28

> TSH        2.19

> T4 total    8.5

> T4 Free    2.9

> T3 Free    2.7

> T3 Total   56 (low)

> T3 Uptake  34

> IGF I         238

>

> Testostrone     673

> Free                 203.9

>

> Estradiol         16

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you PHIL:

So the rest of the labs for the thyroid look ok except for the items you

mentioned.  I will make an appointment with my Endo.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 1:22:58 PM

Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

 

You feel good at this it looks to me like the synthroid T4 only is not

converting into T3 your Free T3 is low best between 3.3 to 3.9.

Ask your Dr. about adding in some Liothyonine 5mcgs starting with one pill / day

going up to 2 pills after about 3 weeks then go bay your labs see if your need

more I do 150 mcgs of Synthroid generic / day with 5 mcgs of T3 only 3x's / day

I feel dam good this might be why your sweating at night.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> Subject: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

>

> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 10:54 AM

> Phil thank you again for all of your

> help. 

>

> You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer why

> I am having night

> sweats.

>

> I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

>

> AST        35

> ALT        28

> TSH        2.19

> T4 total    8.5

> T4 Free    2.9

> T3 Free    2.7

> T3 Total   56 (low)

> T3 Uptake  34

> IGF I         238

>

> Testostrone     673

> Free                 203.9

>

> Estradiol         16

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes not sure if your Endo will help you with this my wife needed to do this and

all the Endo's she seen for over 15 yrs would not give her T3 they all said no

one treats anyone with T3 yet NTH like Armour help people because it has T3 in

it.

I just don't like Endo's for anything but high sugar levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > Subject: Phil - Thyroid and night

> sweats

> >

> > Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 10:54 AM

> > Phil thank you again for all of your

> > help. 

> >

> > You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer

> why

> > I am having night

> > sweats.

> >

> > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> >

> > AST        35

> > ALT        28

> > TSH        2.19

> > T4 total    8.5

> > T4 Free    2.9

> > T3 Free    2.7

> > T3 Total   56 (low)

> > T3 Uptake  34

> > IGF I         238

> >

> > Testostrone     673

> > Free                 203.9

> >

> > Estradiol         16

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you.  My Endo is great.  I just talked to his staff nurse and she will

ask

him and call me back.

Thank you again for all of your insight!  I will let you know my results. 

Greg

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 1:31:38 PM

Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

 

Yes not sure if your Endo will help you with this my wife needed to do this and

all the Endo's she seen for over 15 yrs would not give her T3 they all said no

one treats anyone with T3 yet NTH like Armour help people because it has T3 in

it.

I just don't like Endo's for anything but high sugar levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > Subject: Phil - Thyroid and night

> sweats

> >

> > Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 10:54 AM

> > Phil thank you again for all of your

> > help. 

> >

> > You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer

> why

> > I am having night

> > sweats.

> >

> > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> >

> > AST        35

> > ALT        28

> > TSH        2.19

> > T4 total    8.5

> > T4 Free    2.9

> > T3 Free    2.7

> > T3 Total   56 (low)

> > T3 Uptake  34

> > IGF I         238

> >

> > Testostrone     673

> > Free                 203.9

> >

> > Estradiol         16

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It great your Endo is great most will not even call one back they just say come

in but you can't get in for months.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > > Subject: Phil - Thyroid and night

> > sweats

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 10:54 AM

> > > Phil thank you again for all of your

> > > help. 

> > >

> > > You asked what my thyroid levels were which may

> answer

> > why

> > > I am having night

> > > sweats.

> > >

> > > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> > >

> > > AST        35

> > > ALT        28

> > > TSH        2.19

> > > T4 total    8.5

> > > T4 Free    2.9

> > > T3 Free    2.7

> > > T3 Total   56 (low)

> > > T3 Uptake  34

> > > IGF I         238

> > >

> > > Testostrone     673

> > > Free                 203.9

> > >

> > > Estradiol         16

> > >

> > >

> > >      

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

This might explain why just being " in-range " isn't good enough.

http://tiredthyroid.com/optimal-labs.html

If your endo argues that your TSH is fine, there's another section on why you

shouldn't dose by TSH.

Good luck!

Barb

>

> Phil thank you again for all of your help. 

>

> You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer why I am having night

> sweats.

>

> I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

>

> AST        35

> ALT        28

> TSH        2.19

> T4 total    8.5

> T4 Free    2.9

> T3 Free    2.7

> T3 Total   56 (low)

> T3 Uptake  34

> IGF I         238

>

> Testostrone     673

> Free                 203.9

>

> Estradiol         16

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, can you please give me a reference to the source data that gives T3

optimum = 3.3 - 3.9?

My doctor and I are in discussion about my TSH being too low .1

We dropped my levothyroxine to 175 and the TSH went up to .61 but the T3 dropped

to 2.8 and the free T4 to 1.1 from 1.4.

I like to discuss these things with him holding reserch reports in my hand.

thanks for all you do.

Ihor

>

> You feel good at this it looks to me like the synthroid T4 only is not

converting into T3 your Free T3 is low best between 3.3 to 3.9.

>

[Guest guest]

I get this from Dr. no at

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52

You might need to join his forum to read this so I will cut and paste it in.

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THYROID HORMONE:

A useful target if considering primarily lab tests for optimizing thyroid

hormone is the following:

TSH <= 1.0

Free T3 between 3.3 to 3.9

Total T4 between 8-12

If at least one lab test is below these ranges, then a person may exhibit signs

of hypothyroidism.

T4 levels are important since the brain does its own conversion of T4 to T3. The

brain compartment can have different T4 and T3 levels than the rest of the body.

The brain and body are in two different compartments, separated by the blood

brain barrier. In Alzheimer's disease, brain thyroid levels are lower than the

rest of the body.

TSH is not as important a measurement compared to measuring Free T3 and Total

T4. If a person has some metabolic problem - including having heart disease,

diabetes, low iron, etc. then the nervous system cannot function well and TSH

will be abnormally low since the brain will have difficulty monitoring thyroid

hormone and making TSH.

---------------------------------------------------

Thyroid Hormone, the Blood Brain Barrier, and the Brain

This is very inportant.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255

====================================================

T3 and T4 are bound to three proteins in the blood:

Thyroid Binding Globulin (also called Thyroxine-Binding Globulin, TBG)

Transthyretin

Albumin

The distribution of thyroid hormones and binding proteins are approximately:

T4: 68% to TBG, 11 % to Transthyretin, 20 % to Albumin

T3: 80 % to TBG, 9 % to Transthyretin, 11 % to Albumin

T4 has a stronger bond to TBG.

T3 has a stronger bond to Transthyretin

Both T3 and T4 have a much weaker bond (approximately 100 to 1000 x less) to

Albumin.

The thyroid hormones dynamically change between the free state and the bound

state. Since the bond to Albumin is weaker, much of what is bound to Albumin may

be free at any given moment, but won't be registered as Free T3 or Free T4. Some

portion of T3 and T4 is also free at any given moment but may not be registered

as Free T3 or Free T4.

Free T3 and Free T4 give you only a snapshot - one moment in time - of the

state. But this state varies from moment to moment.

This is why it is useful to take Total T3 and Total T4 into account to help

determine total thyroid function.

This is analogous to Testosterone. Some use " bioavailable " testosterone as a

measure of testosterone signaling activity. This would represent testosterone

that is free and testosterone that is loosely bound to albumin. However, even

tightly bound testosterone to sex-hormone binding globulin (SHBG) has signaling

functions via induced conformational changes in the SHBG molecule then binding

of testosterone-bound SHBG to SHBG receptors.

---

Thyroid hormone does not directly diffuse into cells.

Thyroid hormone is transported across cell membranes by various transporter

molecules. In the brain and in the blood brain barrier (BBB), two known

transporter molecules are Thyroid Hormone Transporter Molecule MCT8 and Organic

Anion Transporting Polypeptide OATP1C1. MCT8 is also produced in heart, kidney,

liver, and skeletal muscle.

There are two blood brain barriers: The Blood Brain Barrier Endothelial cells

that line the blood vessels of the brain and are connected to astrocytes of the

brain, and the Blood Cerebral Spinal Fluid Barrier Choroid Plexus Epithelial

Cells that connect the blood to the Cerebopinal Fluid. The Choroid Plexus

filters blood in order to produce Cerebrospinal Fluid.

From blood, T3 and T4 enter the brain via two paths:

1. T3 and T4 are transported into a BBB Endothelium Cell (via OATP). T3 and T4

are then transferred into an attached Astrocyte. In the Astrocyte, Deiodinase D2

coverts T4 to T3. T3 then exits the Astrocyte via MCT8. T3 then enters neurons

via MCT8 transporters.

2. T3 and T4 are transported into Blood Cerebral Spinal Fluid Barrier Choroid

Plexus Epithelial Cells (via MCT8). They they exit the choroid plexus (via OATP)

and enter the Cerebrospinal Fluid (CSF). From the CSF, T3 and T4 are taken up by

Tanycytes or Astrocytes. These cells have D2 Diodinase, which convert T4 to T3.

Upon exiting these cells, T3 enters neurons.

Notably, neurons have Diodinase D3 enzyme which converts T4 to reverse T3 and T3

to T2.

The presence of thyroid hormone can reduce production of OATP as part of a

negative feedback loop control.

---

Within brain cells, there are variations nuclear membrane thyroid transporters.

Usually, 90 % of the intracellular T3 is located in the cytosol and 10 % is in

the nucleus. In the pituitary gland's cells, however, 50 % of T3 is in the

nucleus.

---

Adding to the complexity of how thyroid hormone works, there is an Intracellular

T3 Binding Protein (CTPB) which is produced in high amounts in the brain and

heart, though is also widespread in production in the body.

---

Serum measurements of thyroid hormone can't be used to infer CSF concentrations.

Only a spinal tap will be able to tell what the CSF concentrations are.

---

Brain thyroid hormone levels and T3 to T4 ratios are going to be determined at

several levels.

For example, the number and types and location of thyroid transporters

determines what amount of thyroid hormone gets through.

Variations in the genes for the thyroid transporter molecules will determine how

effective they are and how selective they are for T3 or T4 transport - creating

a difference between Blood and Brain concentrations of Thyroid hormones.

Variations in Astrocyte and Tanycyte Diodinase D2 production will determine T3

to T4 conversions in the brain, which may be different from the blood.

etc.

---

From my point of view, given the differences that can arise in blood versus

brain levels of thyroid hormone and thyroid hormone conversion, it is important

to consider in some patients to not only optimize T3 but to also optimize T4

levels.

This is important, for example, in mood disorders. Here, the difference between

T3 and T4 treatment becomes apparent.

In major depressive disorder, historically, T3 is a more effective treatment

than T4 in reducing depressive symptoms. Spectulating: perhaps T4 to T3

conversion in the brain's astrocytes and tanycytes is impaired by lack of D2

Diodinase production, among other possible problems in brain thyroid hormone

metabolism.

In bipolar disorder, historically, T4 is much more effective than T3 in

stabilizing mood. T4 may be used medicinally to reach " hyperthyroid " levels -

based on TSH measurements - in psychiatry to stabilize mood in bipolar disorder.

Speculating: perhaps, in bipolar disorder, there is a gene mutation in one of

the thyroid transport molecules which selectively impairs T3 transport.

If a person is having problems with a T3 treatment or Armour Thyroid Treatment

(which is primarily a T3 treatment), then perhaps adding a T4 treatment would be

useful. Some patients benefit from combinations of thyroid treatments (e.g. T3 +

T4, Armour Thyroid + Levothyroxine) better than single treatments alone.

__________________

-

Romeo B. no, MD, physician, psychiatrist

Any information provided on www.definitivemind.com is for informational purposes

only, is not medical advice, does not create a doctor/patient relationship or

liability, is not exhaustive, does not cover all conditions or their treatment,

and will change as knowledge progresses. Always seek the advice of your

physician or other qualified health provider before undertaking any diet,

exercise, supplement, medical, or other health program.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ihor n <ihor43us@...>

> Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

>

> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 3:27 PM

> Phil, can you please give me a

> reference to the source data that gives T3 optimum = 3.3 -

> 3.9?

>

> My doctor and I are in discussion about my TSH being too

> low .1

> We dropped my levothyroxine to 175 and the TSH went up to

> .61 but the T3 dropped to 2.8 and the free T4 to 1.1 from

> 1.4.

>

> I like to discuss these things with him holding reserch

> reports in my hand.

>

> thanks for all you do.

>

> Ihor

>

>

>

> >

> > You feel good at this it looks to me like the

> synthroid T4 only is not converting into T3 your Free T3 is

> low best between 3.3 to 3.9.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shouldn't you be trying to get your TSH down?

Anything over 2 is Hypo.

I ask because I'm in the same boat. My TSH started at 2.93 and after being on

75mcg levo for over a year it's only down to 2.73. My doc agreed that we should

be moving it down with more levo. Now I'm up to ~112mcg (splitting pills) and

I'm feeling great.

>

> Phil thank you again for all of your help. 

>

> You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer why I am having night

> sweats.

>

> I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

>

> AST        35

> ALT        28

> TSH        2.19

> T4 total    8.5

> T4 Free    2.9

> T3 Free    2.7

> T3 Total   56 (low)

> T3 Uptake  34

> IGF I         238

>

> Testostrone     673

> Free                 203.9

>

> Estradiol         16

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave from what I know about TSH it's a message from the Pituitary that tells

your Thyroid to make hormones. It is said that a TSH over 2 is a red flag going

up. To many Dr.'s not up on Thyroid dose people by TSH this is wrong. You need

a hug amount of labs to tell whats going on with the Thyroid and some web sites

that push NTH meds tell people it's good to drive TSH way down.

After reading about what Dr. M says about the thyroid and the brain this is not

good.

Dr. M's site is down right now but when it comes up go there do a searh on

Thyroid read them.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

If your on meds and your TSH is still high I feel it's OK. When I was on Armour

doing 4 grains / day my TSH was .1 below the range. I felt OK but my mood was

very low.

Today I do 150 mcgs of Generic Synthroid with 5 mcgs of T3 3x's / day. Here are

my labs doing 5 mcgs 2x's / day of T3.

TSH, 3RD Generation 2.61 range 0.40 – 4.50 mIU/L.

T4 (Thyroxine), Total 7.5 range 4.5 – 12.0 mcg/dL.

Free T4 Index (T7) 2.4 range 1.4 – 3.8.

T4, Free 1.2 range 0.8 – 1.8 ng/dL.

T3 Free 2.9 range 2.3 – 4.2 pg/mL.

T3 Total 90 range 76 – 181 ng/dL.

T3 Uptake 32 range 76 – 181 ng/dL.

A lot of people see my labs and tell me I am to low yet I feel fine.

You need TSH for the to make it's own Thyroid hormone.

================================================

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

>

> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 5:35 PM

> Shouldn't you be trying to get your

> TSH down? 

> Anything over 2 is Hypo. 

> I ask because I'm in the same boat.  My TSH started at

> 2.93 and after being on 75mcg levo for over a year it's only

> down to 2.73.  My doc agreed that we should be moving

> it down with more levo.  Now I'm up to ~112mcg

> (splitting pills) and I'm feeling great.

>

>

> >

> > Phil thank you again for all of your help. 

> >

> > You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer

> why I am having night

> > sweats.

> >

> > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> >

> > AST        35

> > ALT        28

> > TSH        2.19

> > T4 total    8.5

> > T4 Free    2.9

> > T3 Free    2.7

> > T3 Total   56 (low)

> > T3 Uptake  34

> > IGF I         238

> >

> > Testostrone     673

> > Free                 203.9

> >

> > Estradiol         16

> >

> >

> >       

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you guys for your help. So since my TSH is 2.19 and my T3 total is low at

56 and my T4 Total is only 8.5 my Dr. should definitely prescribe Levo?

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 10:27:17 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

Dave from what I know about TSH it's a message from the Pituitary that tells

your Thyroid to make hormones. It is said that a TSH over 2 is a red flag going

up. To many Dr.'s not up on Thyroid dose people by TSH this is wrong. You need

a hug amount of labs to tell whats going on with the Thyroid and some web sites

that push NTH meds tell people it's good to drive TSH way down.

After reading about what Dr. M says about the thyroid and the brain this is not

good.

Dr. M's site is down right now but when it comes up go there do a searh on

Thyroid read them.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

If your on meds and your TSH is still high I feel it's OK. When I was on Armour

doing 4 grains / day my TSH was .1 below the range. I felt OK but my mood was

very low.

Today I do 150 mcgs of Generic Synthroid with 5 mcgs of T3 3x's / day. Here are

my labs doing 5 mcgs 2x's / day of T3.

TSH, 3RD Generation 2.61 range 0.40 – 4.50 mIU/L.

T4 (Thyroxine), Total 7.5 range 4.5 – 12.0 mcg/dL.

Free T4 Index (T7) 2.4 range 1.4 – 3.8.

T4, Free 1.2 range 0.8 – 1.8 ng/dL.

T3 Free 2.9 range 2.3 – 4.2 pg/mL.

T3 Total 90 range 76 – 181 ng/dL.

T3 Uptake 32 range 76 – 181 ng/dL.

A lot of people see my labs and tell me I am to low yet I feel fine.

You need TSH for the to make it's own Thyroid hormone.

================================================

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

>

> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 5:35 PM

> Shouldn't you be trying to get your

> TSH down?

> Anything over 2 is Hypo.

> I ask because I'm in the same boat. My TSH started at

> 2.93 and after being on 75mcg levo for over a year it's only

> down to 2.73. My doc agreed that we should be moving

> it down with more levo. Now I'm up to ~112mcg

> (splitting pills) and I'm feeling great.

>

>

> >

> > Phil thank you again for all of your help.

> >

> > You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer

> why I am having night

> > sweats.

> >

> > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> >

> > AST 35

> > ALT 28

> > TSH 2.19

> > T4 total 8.5

> > T4 Free 2.9

> > T3 Free 2.7

> > T3 Total 56 (low)

> > T3 Uptake 34

> > IGF I 238

> >

> > Testostrone 673

> > Free 203.9

> >

> > Estradiol 16

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Look at it this way you can try Thyroid meds if you don't feel better on them

just stop taking them. There is a new one out like the old Armour Acella I am

hearing good things about this and might even try it if my MedCo carries it.

I am hearing you can put this under your tongue like the old Armour it has a

sweet taste to it. Doing the old Amrour under your tongue you did not need to

worry about the food your eating with the thyroid med.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/2010/12/13/acella-natural-desiccated-thyroid-armour.h\

tm

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> > Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night

> sweats

> >

> > Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 5:35 PM

> > Shouldn't you be trying to get your

> > TSH down? 

> > Anything over 2 is Hypo. 

> > I ask because I'm in the same boat.  My TSH

> started at

> > 2.93 and after being on 75mcg levo for over a year

> it's only

> > down to 2.73.  My doc agreed that we should be

> moving

> > it down with more levo.  Now I'm up to ~112mcg

> > (splitting pills) and I'm feeling great.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Phil thank you again for all of your help. 

>

> > >

> > > You asked what my thyroid levels were which may

> answer

> > why I am having night

> > > sweats.

> > >

> > > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> > >

> > > AST        35

> > > ALT        28

> > > TSH        2.19

> > > T4 total    8.5

> > > T4 Free    2.9

> > > T3 Free    2.7

> > > T3 Total   56 (low)

> > > T3 Uptake  34

> > > IGF I         238

> > >

> > > Testostrone     673

> > > Free           

>      203.9

> > >

> > > Estradiol     

>    16

> > >

> > >

> > >       

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Phil, natural thyroid with all its T3 and even T2 hormone tends to lower TSH

often before the thyroid hormone levels even come up. I've seen people post

their now LOWER FT4/FT3 levels on like 1/2 grain Armour as they hadn't

raised to compensate for the suppression on their own thyroid.

Synthetic T4 tends to not suppress TSH so much and even adding a little T3

to the mix might not give you a zero TSH by the time your T4 has come up and

FT3 is even increasing and/or your symptoms are getting better.

I feel this is one more reason to ignore TSH when you're already on thyroid

hormones. That and this is a good reason why dose conversion charts between

synthetic and natural thyroid are useless. However, I don't think a

suppressed TSH has any negative effect on mood or symptoms provided your

thyroid hormone levels are good. The brain may benefit from T4, as we've

recently discussed. I have noticed that some on natural thyroid alone have

lower T4 levels and this may explain why some don't feel 100% on the thyroid

stuff moving from synthetics to natural.

-Nigel

On 5 March 2011 09:27, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

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>

> Dave from what I know about TSH it's a message from the Pituitary that

> tells your Thyroid to make hormones. It is said that a TSH over 2 is a red

> flag going up. To many Dr.'s not up on Thyroid dose people by TSH this is

> wrong. You need a hug amount of labs to tell whats going on with the Thyroid

> and some web sites that push NTH meds tell people it's good to drive TSH way

> down.

>

> After reading about what Dr. M says about the thyroid and the brain this is

> not good.

> Dr. M's site is down right now but when it comes up go there do a searh on

> Thyroid read them.

> http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

>

> If your on meds and your TSH is still high I feel it's OK. When I was on

> Armour doing 4 grains / day my TSH was .1 below the range. I felt OK but my

> mood was very low.

>

> Today I do 150 mcgs of Generic Synthroid with 5 mcgs of T3 3x's / day. Here

> are my labs doing 5 mcgs 2x's / day of T3.

>

> TSH, 3RD Generation 2.61 range 0.40 – 4.50 mIU/L.

> T4 (Thyroxine), Total 7.5 range 4.5 – 12.0 mcg/dL.

> Free T4 Index (T7) 2.4 range 1.4 – 3.8.

> T4, Free 1.2 range 0.8 – 1.8 ng/dL.

> T3 Free 2.9 range 2.3 – 4.2 pg/mL.

> T3 Total 90 range 76 – 181 ng/dL.

> T3 Uptake 32 range 76 – 181 ng/dL.

>

> A lot of people see my labs and tell me I am to low yet I feel fine.

>

> You need TSH for the to make it's own Thyroid hormone.

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> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> > Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and night sweats

> >

> > Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 5:35 PM

>

> > Shouldn't you be trying to get your

> > TSH down?

> > Anything over 2 is Hypo.

> > I ask because I'm in the same boat. My TSH started at

> > 2.93 and after being on 75mcg levo for over a year it's only

> > down to 2.73. My doc agreed that we should be moving

> > it down with more levo. Now I'm up to ~112mcg

> > (splitting pills) and I'm feeling great.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Phil thank you again for all of your help.

> > >

> > > You asked what my thyroid levels were which may answer

> > why I am having night

> > > sweats.

> > >

> > > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> > >

> > > AST 35

> > > ALT 28

> > > TSH 2.19

> > > T4 total 8.5

> > > T4 Free 2.9

> > > T3 Free 2.7

> > > T3 Total 56 (low)

> > > T3 Uptake 34

> > > IGF I 238

> > >

> > > Testostrone 673

> > > Free 203.9

> > >

> > > Estradiol 16

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[Guest guest]

I don't care what I take my T4 is on the lower side when I was on Armour I asked

my Dr. to let me add T4 only to the Armour he told me he needs to look into

this. By the time he did I was on Growth Hormones and my Thyroid went hyper.

There is some talk about NP Thyroid by Acella MedCo has this I might go back to

a NTH med and try this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Phil - Thyroid and

> night sweats

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 5:35 PM

> >

> > > Shouldn't you be trying to get your

> > > TSH down?

> > > Anything over 2 is Hypo.

> > > I ask because I'm in the same boat.  My TSH

> started at

> > > 2.93 and after being on 75mcg levo for over a

> year it's only

> > > down to 2.73.  My doc agreed that we should

> be moving

> > > it down with more levo.  Now I'm up to

> ~112mcg

> > > (splitting pills) and I'm feeling great.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Phil thank you again for all of your help.

> > > >

> > > > You asked what my thyroid levels were which

> may answer

> > > why I am having night

> > > > sweats.

> > > >

> > > > I have been on synthroid for 5 years .1M.

> > > >

> > > > AST        35

> > > > ALT        28

> > > > TSH        2.19

> > > > T4 total    8.5

> > > > T4 Free    2.9

> > > > T3 Free    2.7

> > > > T3 Total   56 (low)

> > > > T3 Uptake  34

> > > > IGF I     

>    238

> > > >

> > > > Testostrone     673

> > > > Free         

>        203.9

> > > >

> > > > Estradiol     

>    16

> > > >

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