Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

[Guest guest]

Finally, you have the results.

Your Estradiol is def. high.

I don't think this Doc is going to help you.

You should consider going to see Dr. instead of bouncing from Doc to

Doc. It might just pay off in the long run.

Do you have ED problems due to the Estradiol?

Good luck!

Marc

In a message dated 9/10/2010 11:25:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

cfs38@... writes:

T Total - 323 (250-1100 ng/dL)

T Free - 82.9 (46.0-224 pg/mL)

T Bio - 181.3 (110-575 ng/dL)

SHBG - 11 (9-45 nmol/L)

Albumin Serum - 4.8 (3.6-5.1 g/dL)

TSH - 1.51 (0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

T4 Free - 1.2 (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

T3 Free - 298 (230-420 pg/dL)

ACTH Plasma - 19 (7-50 pg/mL)

Cortisol Total - (23.0 mcg/dL-High) No range given*

Ferritin - 512 (20-380 ng/mL-High)*

Folate Serum - (7.6 ng/mL) No range given

Iron Total - 155 (45-170 mcg/dL)

Iron Binding Capacity - 375 (250-425 mcg/dL)

Iron % Saturation - 41 (20-50% calc)

B12 - 385 (200-1100 pg/mL)

Estradiol - 52 (13-54 pg/mL) This is Quest#4021

Estrogen Total Serum - (87 pg/mL) No range given plus I have no idea how I

got this one as well.

Blood was taken at 9AM and I was fasting.

Anyway that is it, and as I figured she says I need nothing done and

released me for now. (

Said the Cortisol was only mildly high and you need to be concerned mainly

if it is low.

The ferritin she said was not a concern either, and asked if I had

arthritis. Said inflammation can cause this, and I DO have a small amount of

arthritis in my overworked back, and joints.

I pointed out the estradiol and that it should be no higher than 30, and

closer to 20,......blank stare. I mentioned Arimidex, and no way was she

going there. Said to quit drinking beer if I drank it, which I do moderately.

Now my T is in range and she says I don't even need TRT,.......last time

it was 209. I have a feeling my estradiol was sky high when that was taken

but they didn't test for it then. I am thinking it has dropped some and that

is why my T level is up some.

Have to see the Urologist in a week or so, and I guess I will try to get

somewhere with him. After that I can try my Cardiologist since she won't do

anything at all. Only option after that is the D.O in this area.

I knew my estradiol was going to be high,.....I just knew it.

Any input on these numbers will be greatly appreciated as usual folks.

I feel like I am in a void somewhere, and don't know which direction to

turn.

[Guest guest]

My E2 was a bit high, I believe around 38. I ended up buying some

Arimidex from anti-estogens.com or something, it came from Turkey and was

expensive. But it was legit.

I took 1/4 of an Arimidex and it did bring the E2 down a lot.

I wouldn't worry about ADC if other members here use them frequently. But

Arimidex is very strong.

Be careful,

Marc

In a message dated 9/10/2010 12:28:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

cfs38@... writes:

>

> Marc you would feel a lot better is you took something to bring down

your Estraidol levels I tell men that can't get there Dr. to give them

Arimidex. To try Indolplex/DIM with some TMG.

>

> You might add up to 300 points on your T Total getting your Estradiol E2

down. I would try this then when your feeling better and have night time

and morning wood you can hang a coat on redo your labs.

>

> Your Cortisol is good most people have a higher number from being stuck

with a needle and by older labs ranges this is not high.

>

> You do need a better Dr.

>

Phil, I was going to get some DIM a couple months ago, but decided to wait

as I wanted to find out the truth via blood work.

I am going to hit up both of my other docs for it,....best bet is my

cardiologist I think.

I had an AM Cortisol done once before in 2005 and it was 21. I am not

bothered by needles at all although I don't know what the body does when being

stuck! LOL

I still get night/morning wood, but it is not EVERY night. Sometimes I get

very hard, other times not so much. I know you guys buy all these drugs

from ADC, but it makes me nervous taking a medication that came from India. I

may have to get over it though as I figured my estradiol was high, and is

probably making me feel this way, at least partially. I seem to hold water

at times also,....isn't that another symptom?

[Guest guest]

You may be a good candidate for Arimidex only. In men with a high conversion of

T to E2, it increased your base T by 56% and reduced E2 significantly. For

example if you are at ~ 300 T you could increase this to ~ 450 and drop your E2

form 52 to 20. There is a report in the file section on a test conducted in

elderly men you should look at.

 

Arkansas

From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

Subject: Test Results From Endo,...............

Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 10:25 AM

 

T Total - 323 (250-1100 ng/dL)

T Free - 82.9 (46.0-224 pg/mL)

T Bio - 181.3 (110-575 ng/dL)

SHBG - 11 (9-45 nmol/L)

Albumin Serum - 4.8 (3.6-5.1 g/dL)

TSH - 1.51 (0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

T4 Free - 1.2 (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

T3 Free - 298 (230-420 pg/dL)

ACTH Plasma - 19 (7-50 pg/mL)

Cortisol Total - (23.0 mcg/dL-High) No range given*

Ferritin - 512 (20-380 ng/mL-High)*

Folate Serum - (7.6 ng/mL) No range given

Iron Total - 155 (45-170 mcg/dL)

Iron Binding Capacity - 375 (250-425 mcg/dL)

Iron % Saturation - 41 (20-50% calc)

B12 - 385 (200-1100 pg/mL)

Estradiol - 52 (13-54 pg/mL) This is Quest#4021

Estrogen Total Serum - (87 pg/mL) No range given plus I have no idea how I got

this one as well.

Blood was taken at 9AM and I was fasting.

Anyway that is it, and as I figured she says I need nothing done and released me

for now. (

Said the Cortisol was only mildly high and you need to be concerned mainly if it

is low.

The ferritin she said was not a concern either, and asked if I had arthritis.

Said inflammation can cause this, and I DO have a small amount of arthritis in

my overworked back, and joints.

I pointed out the estradiol and that it should be no higher than 30, and closer

to 20,......blank stare. I mentioned Arimidex, and no way was she going there.

Said to quit drinking beer if I drank it, which I do moderately.

Now my T is in range and she says I don't even need TRT,.......last time it was

209. I have a feeling my estradiol was sky high when that was taken but they

didn't test for it then. I am thinking it has dropped some and that is why my T

level is up some.

Have to see the Urologist in a week or so, and I guess I will try to get

somewhere with him. After that I can try my Cardiologist since she won't do

anything at all. Only option after that is the D.O in this area.

I knew my estradiol was going to be high,.....I just knew it.

Any input on these numbers will be greatly appreciated as usual folks.

I feel like I am in a void somewhere, and don't know which direction to turn.

[Guest guest]

I would make recommendations in the order of simple to complex. Simple things

you can do are to donate blood and start taking Vit B12 (methylcobalamin

preferred). High ferritin can cause organ damage, but they usually mean in the

1000s, but you're still over range. Low B12 alone can cause fatigue, and

optimal range is towards the top.

I would rather work on your thyroid first, than testosterone and estradiol,

since shots/Arimidex are somewhat of a hassle. And in some, just bringing up

thyroid has brought up testosterone and lowered estradiol.

Your FT4 is not bad, but FT3 is low. This implies a conversion problem. You

may or may not have high rT3. Suggestions are to take selenium 200 mcg daily

(usually in a multi-vitamin, or can buy separately), and make sure you eat small

meals frequently. Hopefully you're not an extreme dieter/overexerciser, cause

that creates high rT3. A lot of conversion is done in the liver, so reducing

ferritin would be beneficial, since iron is stored in the liver.

Are you overweight, underweight, have trouble sleeping, anxiety? Are you taking

any supplements?

Couple labs you might want to get are FSH and LH and total T4.

Barb

>

> T Total - 323 (250-1100 ng/dL)

> T Free - 82.9 (46.0-224 pg/mL)

> T Bio - 181.3 (110-575 ng/dL)

> SHBG - 11 (9-45 nmol/L)

> Albumin Serum - 4.8 (3.6-5.1 g/dL)

>

> TSH - 1.51 (0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

> T4 Free - 1.2 (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

> T3 Free - 298 (230-420 pg/dL)

>

> ACTH Plasma - 19 (7-50 pg/mL)

> Cortisol Total - (23.0 mcg/dL-High) No range given*

> Ferritin - 512 (20-380 ng/mL-High)*

> Folate Serum - (7.6 ng/mL) No range given

> Iron Total - 155 (45-170 mcg/dL)

> Iron Binding Capacity - 375 (250-425 mcg/dL)

> Iron % Saturation - 41 (20-50% calc)

> B12 - 385 (200-1100 pg/mL)

>

> Estradiol - 52 (13-54 pg/mL) This is Quest#4021

> Estrogen Total Serum - (87 pg/mL) No range given plus I have no idea how I got

this one as well.

>

> Blood was taken at 9AM and I was fasting.

>

> Anyway that is it, and as I figured she says I need nothing done and released

me for now. (

> Said the Cortisol was only mildly high and you need to be concerned mainly if

it is low.

>

> The ferritin she said was not a concern either, and asked if I had arthritis.

Said inflammation can cause this, and I DO have a small amount of arthritis in

my overworked back, and joints.

>

> I pointed out the estradiol and that it should be no higher than 30, and

closer to 20,......blank stare. I mentioned Arimidex, and no way was she going

there. Said to quit drinking beer if I drank it, which I do moderately.

>

> Now my T is in range and she says I don't even need TRT,.......last time it

was 209. I have a feeling my estradiol was sky high when that was taken but they

didn't test for it then. I am thinking it has dropped some and that is why my T

level is up some.

>

> Have to see the Urologist in a week or so, and I guess I will try to get

somewhere with him. After that I can try my Cardiologist since she won't do

anything at all. Only option after that is the D.O in this area.

>

> I knew my estradiol was going to be high,.....I just knew it.

> Any input on these numbers will be greatly appreciated as usual folks.

> I feel like I am in a void somewhere, and don't know which direction to turn.

>

[Guest guest]

Marc you would feel a lot better is you took something to bring down your

Estraidol levels I tell men that can't get there Dr. to give them Arimidex. To

try Indolplex/DIM with some TMG.

You might add up to 300 points on your T Total getting your Estradiol E2 down.

I would try this then when your feeling better and have night time and morning

wood you can hang a coat on redo your labs.

Your Cortisol is good most people have a higher number from being stuck with a

needle and by older labs ranges this is not high.

You do need a better Dr.

Get some of this from this link take one table at dinner time and some TMG at

bedtime.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

The DIM will convert the Estradiol into good E's and the TMG will help your

liver wash them out of your body.

http://www.myvitanet.com/tmgtr75120ca.html

This will not work as fast as arimidex but if you want to try it without your

Dr. you can buy it from the ADC.

https://www.alldaychemist.com/75_Arimidex-1mg

Or you can buy the LiquiDex from this link.

http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16135 & cat=248

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 11:25 AM

> T Total - 323 (250-1100 ng/dL)

> T Free - 82.9 (46.0-224 pg/mL)

> T Bio - 181.3 (110-575 ng/dL)

> SHBG - 11 (9-45 nmol/L)

> Albumin Serum - 4.8 (3.6-5.1 g/dL)

>

> TSH - 1.51 (0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

> T4 Free - 1.2 (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

> T3 Free - 298 (230-420 pg/dL)

>

> ACTH Plasma - 19 (7-50 pg/mL)

> Cortisol Total - (23.0 mcg/dL-High) No range given*

> Ferritin - 512 (20-380 ng/mL-High)*

> Folate Serum - (7.6 ng/mL) No range given

> Iron Total - 155 (45-170 mcg/dL)

> Iron Binding Capacity - 375 (250-425 mcg/dL)

> Iron % Saturation - 41 (20-50% calc)

> B12 - 385 (200-1100 pg/mL)

>

> Estradiol - 52 (13-54 pg/mL) This is Quest#4021

> Estrogen Total Serum - (87 pg/mL) No range given plus I

> have no idea how I got this one as well.

>

> Blood was taken at 9AM and I was fasting.

>

> Anyway that is it, and as I figured she says I need nothing

> done and released me for now. (

> Said the Cortisol was only mildly high and you need to be

> concerned mainly if it is low.

>

> The ferritin she said was not a concern either, and asked

> if I had arthritis. Said inflammation can cause this, and I

> DO have a small amount of arthritis in my overworked back,

> and joints.

>

> I pointed out the estradiol and that it should be no higher

> than 30, and closer to 20,......blank stare. I mentioned

> Arimidex, and no way was she going there. Said to quit

> drinking beer if I drank it, which I do moderately.

>

> Now my T is in range and she says I don't even need

> TRT,.......last time it was 209. I have a feeling my

> estradiol was sky high when that was taken but they didn't

> test for it then. I am thinking it has dropped some and that

> is why my T level is up some.

>

> Have to see the Urologist in a week or so, and I guess I

> will try to get somewhere with him. After that I can try my

> Cardiologist since she won't do anything at all. Only option

> after that is the D.O in this area.

>

> I knew my estradiol was going to be high,.....I just knew

> it.

> Any input on these numbers will be greatly appreciated as

> usual folks.

> I feel like I am in a void somewhere, and don't know which

> direction to turn.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I would make recommendations in the order of simple to complex. Simple things

you can do are to donate blood and start taking Vit B12 (methylcobalamin

preferred). High ferritin can cause organ damage, but they usually mean in the

1000s, but you're still over range. Low B12 alone can cause fatigue, and

optimal range is towards the top.

>

> I would rather work on your thyroid first, than testosterone and estradiol,

since shots/Arimidex are somewhat of a hassle. And in some, just bringing up

thyroid has brought up testosterone and lowered estradiol.

>

> Your FT4 is not bad, but FT3 is low. This implies a conversion problem. You

may or may not have high rT3. Suggestions are to take selenium 200 mcg daily

(usually in a multi-vitamin, or can buy separately), and make sure you eat small

meals frequently. Hopefully you're not an extreme dieter/overexerciser, cause

that creates high rT3. A lot of conversion is done in the liver, so reducing

ferritin would be beneficial, since iron is stored in the liver.

>

> Are you overweight, underweight, have trouble sleeping, anxiety? Are you

taking any supplements?

>

> Couple labs you might want to get are FSH and LH and total T4.

>

> Barb

>

Barb,.......I asked for total T4 and T3 but she would not order it.

05/2010 – FSH/LH/Prolactin

FSH – 5.8 / Range 1.6 – 8.0 mIU/mL

LH – 3.7 / Range 1.5 – 9.3 mIU/mL

Prolactin – 8.0 / Range 2.0 – 18.0 ng/mL

I had those tests done earlier this year.

As far as weight goes I was 182 today at the endos, and I am 6' tall.

I am not a dieter/overexerciser but my job requires hard physical work often.

I DO have trouble sleeping on and off,.....it seems to come and go, and yes

sometimes I think I get anxious. More like a feeling that I am full of nervous

energy that ramps my pulse. I don't get panic attacks or anything though.

Only supplements I take is fish-oil, cal/mag/zinc, and vitamin D.

I thought the B-12 was low but she didn't even mention it.

Docs are a real blast!

[Guest guest]

>

> Marc you would feel a lot better is you took something to bring down your

Estraidol levels I tell men that can't get there Dr. to give them Arimidex. To

try Indolplex/DIM with some TMG.

>

> You might add up to 300 points on your T Total getting your Estradiol E2 down.

I would try this then when your feeling better and have night time and morning

wood you can hang a coat on redo your labs.

>

> Your Cortisol is good most people have a higher number from being stuck with a

needle and by older labs ranges this is not high.

>

> You do need a better Dr.

>

Phil, I was going to get some DIM a couple months ago, but decided to wait as I

wanted to find out the truth via blood work.

I am going to hit up both of my other docs for it,....best bet is my

cardiologist I think.

I had an AM Cortisol done once before in 2005 and it was 21. I am not bothered

by needles at all although I don't know what the body does when being stuck! LOL

I still get night/morning wood, but it is not EVERY night. Sometimes I get very

hard, other times not so much. I know you guys buy all these drugs from ADC, but

it makes me nervous taking a medication that came from India. I may have to get

over it though as I figured my estradiol was high, and is probably making me

feel this way, at least partially. I seem to hold water at times also,....isn't

that another symptom?

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Finally, you have the results.

>

> Your Estradiol is def. high.

>

> I don't think this Doc is going to help you.

>

> You should consider going to see Dr. instead of bouncing from Doc to

> Doc. It might just pay off in the long run.

>

> Do you have ED problems due to the Estradiol?

>

> Good luck!

>

> Marc

Hey bud,......you are right, she is going to do nothing. Says I am all good! I

expected this, but at least I was able to get MOST of the blood-work I wanted

done by seeing her.

I am still going to hit up the other Docs, but I may make a trip this winter if

I have to. Just can't do it now due to work, and come fall I have a ton of stuff

to do around my home. Nothin like a guy from Florida going to Michigan in the

winter huh?

Yes,....everything still works, but it takes a lot more to get there than it did

before. The biggest thing I notice is I have ZERO interest in sex.

[Guest guest]

Phil,......what does that SHBG number I got mean?

Is it good/bad or simply normal.

I know nothing about how that comes into play.

[Guest guest]

Your wood will act like this not on TRT your E2 levels will go up and down day

to day or week to week they don't stay the same this is why it is so dam hard to

keep them in the sweet spot.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:28 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Marc you would feel a lot better is you took something

> to bring down your Estraidol levels I tell men that can't

> get there Dr. to give them Arimidex.  To try

> Indolplex/DIM with some TMG.

> >

> > You might add up to 300 points on your T Total getting

> your Estradiol E2 down.  I would try this then when

> your feeling better and have night time and morning wood you

> can hang a coat on redo your labs.

> >

> > Your Cortisol is good most people have a higher number

> from being stuck with a needle and by older labs ranges this

> is not high.

> >

> > You do need a better Dr.

> >

> Phil, I was going to get some DIM a couple months ago, but

> decided to wait as I wanted to find out the truth via blood

> work.

> I am going to hit up both of my other docs for it,....best

> bet is my cardiologist I think.

>

> I had an AM Cortisol done once before in 2005 and it was

> 21. I am not bothered by needles at all although I don't

> know what the body does when being stuck! LOL

>

> I still get night/morning wood, but it is not EVERY night.

> Sometimes I get very hard, other times not so much. I know

> you guys buy all these drugs from ADC, but it makes me

> nervous taking a medication that came from India. I may have

> to get over it though as I figured my estradiol was high,

> and is probably making me feel this way, at least partially.

> I seem to hold water at times also,....isn't that another

> symptom?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Arimidex is strong so read this if your going to go on it.

===================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: MisterX225@... <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:34 PM

>

> My E2 was a bit high, I believe around 38.  I ended up

> buying some 

> Arimidex from anti-estogens.com or something, it came from

> Turkey and was 

> expensive.  But it was legit.

>

> I took 1/4 of an Arimidex and it did bring the E2 down a

> lot.

>

> I wouldn't worry about ADC if other members here use them

> frequently.   But

> Arimidex is very strong.

>

> Be careful,

>

> Marc

>

>

>

> In a message dated 9/10/2010 12:28:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight

> Time, 

> cfs38@...

> writes:

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Marc you would  feel a lot better is you took

> something to bring down

> your Estraidol levels I  tell men that can't get there

> Dr. to give them

> Arimidex. To try Indolplex/DIM  with some TMG.

> >

> > You might add up to 300 points on your T Total 

> getting your Estradiol E2

> down. I would try this then when your feeling better 

> and have night time

> and morning wood you can hang a coat on redo your 

> labs.

> >

> > Your Cortisol is good most people have a higher

> number  from being stuck

> with a needle and by older labs ranges this is not 

> high.

> >

> > You do need a better Dr.

> >

> Phil, I was going  to get some DIM a couple months

> ago, but decided to wait

> as I wanted to find  out the truth via blood work.

> I am going to hit up both of my other docs  for

> it,....best bet is my

> cardiologist I think.

>

> I had an AM Cortisol  done once before in 2005 and it

> was 21. I am not

> bothered by needles at all  although I don't know what

> the body does when being

> stuck! LOL

>

> I still  get night/morning wood, but it is not EVERY

> night. Sometimes I get

> very hard,  other times not so much. I know you guys

> buy all these drugs

> from ADC, but it  makes me nervous taking a medication

> that came from India. I

> may have to get  over it though as I figured my

> estradiol was high, and is

> probably making me  feel this way, at least partially.

> I seem to hold water

> at times  also,....isn't that another symptom?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard mixed things about this Dr. in Fl. but Dr. likes him.

http://www.jeffreydach.com/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:38 PM

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> > Finally, you have the results. 

> > 

> > Your Estradiol is def. high. 

> > 

> > I don't think this Doc is going to help you.

> > 

> > You should consider going to see Dr. instead of

> bouncing from Doc to 

> > Doc.  It might just pay off in the long run.

> > 

> > Do you have ED problems due to the Estradiol? 

> > 

> > Good luck!

> > 

> > Marc

> Hey bud,......you are right, she is going to do nothing.

> Says I am all good! I expected this, but at least I was able

> to get MOST of the blood-work I wanted done by seeing her.

>

> I am still going to hit up the other Docs, but I may make a

> trip this winter if I have to. Just can't do it now due to

> work, and come fall I have a ton of stuff to do around my

> home. Nothin like a guy from Florida going to Michigan in

> the winter huh?

>

> Yes,....everything still works, but it takes a lot more to

> get there than it did before. The biggest thing I notice is

> I have ZERO interest in sex.

>

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Your very low this can mean a sugar problme as per Dr. M. " nco has written

that a very low SHBG is always an indicator of a pre-diabetic state. " Men with

high levels of Estradiol have higher levels of SHBG and this binds up your

Testosterone making your Free T low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:49 PM

> Phil,......what does that SHBG number

> I got mean?

> Is it good/bad or simply normal.

>

> I know nothing about how that comes into play.

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I posted back on this.

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Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

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> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:59 PM

> Phil,....take a look at the post on

> this thread I made at 12:50 if you would.

>

> Thanks for all that info on Arimidex!

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>

> Your very low this can mean a sugar problme as per Dr. M. " nco has

written that a very low SHBG is always an indicator of a pre-diabetic state. "

Men with high levels of Estradiol have higher levels of SHBG and this binds up

your Testosterone making your Free T low.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

Wow,.....that is strange for me.

My glucose level always tests in the low to mid 80's when I have blood work

done.

I guess I need to check it more frequently as my mother has been going back and

forth for years. She seems stuck in that pre-diabetic range.

Maybe I will borrow her meter for a few days and see what I am running now.

[Guest guest]

It's just one of the things I read about with low SHBG now take mine it is at

times below the range 18 but this is from keeping my estradiol levels down. Men

with high SHBG and Estradiol as you lower the Estraidol so will the SHBG go down

and this is good. People that take T3 only Thyroid meds trying to get there RT3

down end up with higher levels of SHBG.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 1:13 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Your very low this can mean a sugar problme as per Dr.

> M. " nco has written that a very low SHBG is always an

> indicator of a pre-diabetic state. "   Men with high

> levels of Estradiol have higher levels of SHBG and this

> binds up your Testosterone making your Free T low.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> Wow,.....that is strange for me.

> My glucose level always tests in the low to mid 80's when I

> have blood work done.

>

> I guess I need to check it more frequently as my mother has

> been going back and forth for years. She seems stuck in that

> pre-diabetic range.

> Maybe I will borrow her meter for a few days and see what I

> am running now.

>

>

>

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" marc200134470 " <cfs38@...> wrote:

> > Barb,.......I asked for total T4 and T3 but she would not order it.

> 05/2010 – FSH/LH/Prolactin

> FSH – 5.8 / Range 1.6 – 8.0 mIU/mL

> LH – 3.7 / Range 1.5 – 9.3 mIU/mL

> Prolactin – 8.0 / Range 2.0 – 18.0 ng/mL

OK, so you can rule out your pituitary. The fact that your testosterone came

up 100 points on its own says something, like you're not primary either.

Dr. no says to always look for the cause, don't just treat symptoms. I'm

wondering if your high ferritin has anything to do with all this, cause it can

lower thyroid and testosterone production.

Your cortisol might be a little high to compensate for your low thyroid.

Optimal is a FT3 around 350+ so you're kinda low.

Barb

> I had those tests done earlier this year.

> As far as weight goes I was 182 today at the endos, and I am 6' tall.

> I am not a dieter/overexerciser but my job requires hard physical work often.

> I DO have trouble sleeping on and off,.....it seems to come and go, and yes

sometimes I think I get anxious. More like a feeling that I am full of nervous

energy that ramps my pulse. I don't get panic attacks or anything though.

>

> Only supplements I take is fish-oil, cal/mag/zinc, and vitamin D.

> I thought the B-12 was low but she didn't even mention it.

> Docs are a real blast!

>

>

>

> >

> > I would make recommendations in the order of simple to complex. Simple

things you can do are to donate blood and start taking Vit B12 (methylcobalamin

preferred). High ferritin can cause organ damage, but they usually mean in the

1000s, but you're still over range. Low B12 alone can cause fatigue, and

optimal range is towards the top.

> >

> > I would rather work on your thyroid first, than testosterone and estradiol,

since shots/Arimidex are somewhat of a hassle. And in some, just bringing up

thyroid has brought up testosterone and lowered estradiol.

> >

> > Your FT4 is not bad, but FT3 is low. This implies a conversion problem.

You may or may not have high rT3. Suggestions are to take selenium 200 mcg

daily (usually in a multi-vitamin, or can buy separately), and make sure you eat

small meals frequently. Hopefully you're not an extreme dieter/overexerciser,

cause that creates high rT3. A lot of conversion is done in the liver, so

reducing ferritin would be beneficial, since iron is stored in the liver.

> >

> > Are you overweight, underweight, have trouble sleeping, anxiety? Are you

taking any supplements?

> >

> > Couple labs you might want to get are FSH and LH and total T4.

> >

> > Barb

> >

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>

> > > Barb,.......I asked for total T4 and T3 but she would not order it.

> > 05/2010 – FSH/LH/Prolactin

> > FSH – 5.8 / Range 1.6 – 8.0 mIU/mL

> > LH – 3.7 / Range 1.5 – 9.3 mIU/mL

> > Prolactin – 8.0 / Range 2.0 – 18.0 ng/mL

>

> OK, so you can rule out your pituitary. The fact that your testosterone

came up 100 points on its own says something, like you're not primary either.

>

> Dr. no says to always look for the cause, don't just treat symptoms. I'm

wondering if your high ferritin has anything to do with all this, cause it can

lower thyroid and testosterone production.

>

> Your cortisol might be a little high to compensate for your low thyroid.

Optimal is a FT3 around 350+ so you're kinda low.

>

> Barb

>

Barb,......thank you very much for your input. I trust some of you folks here

more than I do the docs.

Phil said that he thought my LH was too low for a total T of 209, but then again

these tests were all done separately. My 209 T reading was from late 12/09 and

the FSH/LH as you see were about 4 months later.

I also do not think that I am primary. Also had an MRI of the head w/wo contrast

and nothing abnormal was noted.

My Cardiologist is going to have me do some doppler procedure on my head early

October. I have no idea if it is a legitimate test or simply increasing revenue.

He seems to think I have a pituitary issue of some sort.

I will be picking up some b-12 and the selenium you mentioned this

weekend,.......also I am going to TOTALLY quit drinking beer as well.

I truly need to get to the bottom of this.

I have always been a 'type A' personality if you know what I mean. I get worked

up easily over stress, and blow off so to speak. It is the way I am, and have

been for many years. I have always felt my body is driven by adrenaline. I seem

to be always on a rush, or a crash.

Thank you so much once again!

[Guest guest]

Yes Type A that's me I am told I am this way do to my bad child life.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 4:12 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > > Barb,.......I asked for total T4 and T3 but

> she would not order it.

> > > 05/2010 – FSH/LH/Prolactin

> > > FSH – 5.8 / Range 1.6 – 8.0 mIU/mL

> > > LH – 3.7 / Range 1.5 – 9.3 mIU/mL

> > > Prolactin – 8.0 / Range 2.0 – 18.0 ng/mL

> >

> > OK, so you can rule out your pituitary.  The fact

> that your   testosterone came up 100 points

> on its own says something, like you're not primary

> either. 

> >

> > Dr. no says to always look for the cause, don't

> just treat symptoms.  I'm wondering if your high

> ferritin has anything to do with all this, cause it can

> lower thyroid and testosterone production.

> >

> > Your cortisol might be a little high to compensate for

> your low thyroid.  Optimal is a FT3 around 350+ so

> you're kinda low.

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

> Barb,......thank you very much for your input. I trust some

> of you folks here more than I do the docs.

>

> Phil said that he thought my LH was too low for a total T

> of 209, but then again these tests were all done separately.

> My 209 T reading was from late 12/09 and the FSH/LH as you

> see were about 4 months later.

> I also do not think that I am primary. Also had an MRI of

> the head w/wo contrast and nothing abnormal was noted.

>

> My Cardiologist is going to have me do some doppler

> procedure on my head early October. I have no idea if it is

> a legitimate test or simply increasing revenue. He seems to

> think I have a pituitary issue of some sort.

>

> I will be picking up some b-12 and the selenium you

> mentioned this weekend,.......also I am going to TOTALLY

> quit drinking beer as well.

> I truly need to get to the bottom of this.

>

> I have always been a 'type A' personality if you know what

> I mean. I get worked up easily over stress, and blow off so

> to speak. It is the way I am, and have been for many years.

> I have always felt my body is driven by adrenaline. I seem

> to be always on a rush, or a crash.

>

> Thank you so much once again!

>

>

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[Guest guest]

When I first started TRT, my SHBG was 10.4 (range 13.0-71.0). My glucose

level was 87, but my insulin level was 37.3 (reference range 6.0-30.0, but

my doc said that he likes to see 2-4). I was told that I was insulin

resistant and basically in a pre-pre-diabetic state.

My doc said that at that time, my body was working very hard to control the

glucose (by producing extra insulin), and my body was succeeding for the

time being. Eventually, though, the insulin resistance would get worse and

the glucose would start to go up - indicating that was I getting to a

pre-diabetic state. High levels of estradiols cause insulin resistance.

My estradiol level at that time was an extremely high 115. I started to

take Arimidex and as I controlled the estradiols, the insulin level started

to go down and the SHBG started to go up very slowly. Also, I realized that

I wasn't falling asleep after eating as often, either.

Basically, I was having the same problems with no sex drive at all and water

retention.

Once I started to take Levothyroxine for my thyroid (and when I regained

control of my estadiols again - because adding thyroid meds can cause great

increases in estradiols), my shbg went up to something like 24 and my sex

drive returned.

It's been a long process (1.5 years now), but well worth it!

It is extremely important to get a good doctor who knows what is going on

and is willing to work with you. I finally found my doctor last November

and it has made all the difference in the world.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

It's just one of the things I read about with low SHBG now take mine it is

at times below the range 18 but this is from keeping my estradiol levels

down. Men with high SHBG and Estradiol as you lower the Estraidol so will

the SHBG go down and this is good. People that take T3 only Thyroid meds

trying to get there RT3 down end up with higher levels of SHBG.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@... <mailto:cfs38%40msn.com> >

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 1:13 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Your very low this can mean a sugar problme as per Dr.

> M. " nco has written that a very low SHBG is always an

> indicator of a pre-diabetic state. " Men with high

> levels of Estradiol have higher levels of SHBG and this

> binds up your Testosterone making your Free T low.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> Wow,.....that is strange for me.

> My glucose level always tests in the low to mid 80's when I

> have blood work done.

>

> I guess I need to check it more frequently as my mother has

> been going back and forth for years. She seems stuck in that

> pre-diabetic range.

> Maybe I will borrow her meter for a few days and see what I

> am running now.

>

>

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A very low number can mean you're hypothyroid. As you raise T3, SHBG rises. So

your number confirms you're low thyroid

Low thyroid = sluggish liver

Low thyroid causes inflammation

Inflammation causes high ferritin

High ferritin affects liver

Estradiol is processed out in the liver

If liver function is low, estradiol will become high

hmmmmm. . . .

>

> Phil,......what does that SHBG number I got mean?

> Is it good/bad or simply normal.

>

> I know nothing about how that comes into play.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> A very low number can mean you're hypothyroid. As you raise T3, SHBG rises.

So your number confirms you're low thyroid

>

> Low thyroid = sluggish liver

> Low thyroid causes inflammation

> Inflammation causes high ferritin

> High ferritin affects liver

> Estradiol is processed out in the liver

> If liver function is low, estradiol will become high

> hmmmmm. . . .

>

Barb,.....that all makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

Short of taking selenium though, I really don't know what else to do.

Any other suggestions to raise it without drugs?

I know that NONE of my docs are going to address that 'mildly' low Free T3. My

cardiologist MAY try to do something about the estradiol, and then again maybe

not.

We have a ton of docs around here, but they are by and large the ones that

simply look at the ranges,......if you are in them, there is no such thing as

'optimizing' to them. As I said before my last option is to see this D.O. here

that is into compounded hormones, and a certain amount of anti-aging medicine. I

have no idea if he might be more open minded.

Heck,.....I can't even go on TRT if I wanted to now since my levels are a

whopping 323. I almost laughed out loud when she said I was normal! Maybe if I

was 75 or 80 I would agree, but not at a soon to be 49.

I am going to give up all alcohol as I know how much it stresses the liver. I

DID use to be a big beer drinker, although I don't drink nearly as much now. I

think it's time for it to go 100% and see if that helps. Have also heard that

the hops in beer mimics female hormones.

Thanks for all of the input,......and that goes for everyone here.

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes Type A that's me I am told I am this way do to my bad child life.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

Phil,....I was raised by a divorced mother, but had plenty of support from

grandparents and uncles etc. on the male side.

My life as a child was great. I wish I could go back at times.

Now when I was about 14 my grandparents passed away within about a year of each

other. Something changed in me after that.

I became cold about certain things, and I guess I decided it was time for me to

become a man per se. Not really into the psychological 'shrink' stuff myself

though.

[Guest guest]

thinks for posting this it helps others to see someone doing better. I am

so happy for you that your feeling better. It is a lot of work keeping things

leveled.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...

> <mailto:cfs38%40msn.com> >

> > Subject: Re: Test Results From

> Endo,...............

> >

> <mailto: %40>

>

> > Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 1:13 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Your very low this can mean a sugar problme as

> per Dr.

> > M. " nco has written that a very low SHBG is

> always an

> > indicator of a pre-diabetic state. "   Men with

> high

> > levels of Estradiol have higher levels of SHBG and

> this

> > binds up your Testosterone making your Free T low.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> > Wow,.....that is strange for me.

> > My glucose level always tests in the low to mid 80's

> when I

> > have blood work done.

> >

> > I guess I need to check it more frequently as my

> mother has

> > been going back and forth for years. She seems stuck

> in that

> > pre-diabetic range.

> > Maybe I will borrow her meter for a few days and see

> what I

> > am running now.

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Marc, please put any responses on top (standard protocol)

I thought about this and was intrigued. When guys get older and have a big

belly, they are said to have a " beer belly. " But how would beef affect your

belly? Well if beer compromises your liver, and thyroid conversion is done in

the liver, then you'd have low thyroid. It would also mean your estradiol

processing in the liver would be lower, and high estradiol can lead to big belly

(and breasts), which goes with " that look. "

I would be real curious to see how you're doing in a couple of months after

stopping drinking. Milk thistle is another herbal supplement that's said to

help heal/protect the liver.

Barb

" marc200134470 " <cfs38@...> wrote:

> I am going to give up all alcohol as I know how much it stresses the liver. I

DID use to be a big beer drinker, although I don't drink nearly as much now. I

think it's time for it to go 100% and see if that helps. Have also heard that

the hops in beer mimics female hormones.

>

>

> >

> > A very low number can mean you're hypothyroid. As you raise T3, SHBG rises.

So your number confirms you're low thyroid

> >

> > Low thyroid = sluggish liver

> > Low thyroid causes inflammation

> > Inflammation causes high ferritin

> > High ferritin affects liver

> > Estradiol is processed out in the liver

> > If liver function is low, estradiol will become high

> > hmmmmm. . . .

> >