Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

[Guest guest]

When I first got sick and they could not figure out why I was sick they told me

I suffer from Major Depression I had to go along with this because I was off

work on sick leave. So I was treated for this for 5 yrs and in therapy. I

never felt good on all them AD drugs but the Therapy did help me with my child

life.

I was off work more then I was on for them 5 yrs but when we found out it was

low testosterone I was back to work in 30 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 12:19 PM

>

> >

> > Yes Type A that's me I am told I am this way do to my

> bad child life.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> Phil,....I was raised by a divorced mother, but had plenty

> of support from grandparents and uncles etc. on the male

> side.

>

> My life as a child was great. I wish I could go back at

> times.

> Now when I was about 14 my grandparents passed away within

> about a year of each other. Something changed in me after

> that.

>

> I became cold about certain things, and I guess I decided

> it was time for me to become a man per se. Not really into

> the psychological 'shrink' stuff myself though.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> When I first got sick and they could not figure out why I was sick they told

me I suffer from Major Depression I had to go along with this because I was off

work on sick leave. So I was treated for this for 5 yrs and in therapy. I

never felt good on all them AD drugs but the Therapy did help me with my child

life.

>

> I was off work more then I was on for them 5 yrs but when we found out it was

low testosterone I was back to work in 30 days.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

Phil,....hope you didn't take what I said about 'shrinks' the wrong way. I was

only talking about me.

I am sure they serve a purpose for folks that have had different issues in life

like you obviously did.

I really only wanted to say that my being a 'type A' was not a result of a bad

childhod. I simply had to grow up a little quicker than I should have,....that's

all.

[Guest guest]

I understand it's not a problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 1:12 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > When I first got sick and they could not figure out

> why I was sick they told me I suffer from Major Depression I

> had to go along with this because I was off work on sick

> leave.  So I was treated for this for 5 yrs and in

> therapy.  I never felt good on all them AD drugs but

> the Therapy did help me with my child life.

> >

> > I was off work more then I was on for them 5 yrs but

> when we found out it was low testosterone I was back to work

> in 30 days.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

> Phil,....hope you didn't take what I said about 'shrinks'

> the wrong way. I was only talking about me.

> I am sure they serve a purpose for folks that have had

> different issues in life like you obviously did.

>

> I really only wanted to say that my being a 'type A' was

> not a result of a bad childhod. I simply had to grow up a

> little quicker than I should have,....that's all.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,....sorry about that. I try to strip out repetitive info and forget to go

back to the top!

My stomach is really not fat per se,....granted I don't have six pack abs at

this stage, but I do not resemble what you are talking about. LOL

One reason I thought I was 'hyper-thyroid' is due to the symptom of heat

intolerance. I have to work in the heat in my business and have for years.

Lately I have a real problem handling extreme temps.

I just came back from a friends place down the road. It is about 102 here

according to my truck mirror.

We talked outside on the driveway for about 30 minutes, and now I am trying to

cool down. My pulse starts racing big-time also.

I am not dehydrated, as I drink a ton of water as well as Gatorade type drinks,

and know how to do the pinch test per se.

Is this also a symptom of low thyroid?

I am curious as well to see what happens when I give up my beer totally.

>

> Marc, please put any responses on top (standard protocol)

>

> I thought about this and was intrigued. When guys get older and have a big

belly, they are said to have a " beer belly. " But how would beef affect your

belly? Well if beer compromises your liver, and thyroid conversion is done in

the liver, then you'd have low thyroid. It would also mean your estradiol

processing in the liver would be lower, and high estradiol can lead to big belly

(and breasts), which goes with " that look. "

>

> I would be real curious to see how you're doing in a couple of months after

stopping drinking. Milk thistle is another herbal supplement that's said to

help heal/protect the liver.

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you looked that way, you already gave your height

and weight so I knew you didn't. I was just thinking out loud lol. Because it

is not uncommon, and I thought maybe the biochemistry might be similar.

Inability to tolerate the heat is usually a low aldosterone symptom that comes

from being hypothyroid for awhile. Aldosterone regulates your sodium balance.

Was there a sodium and potassium reading on your last set of labs? People with

low aldosterone tend to have low in range readings and are thirsty and pee all

the time, especially at night (that's when mine is worst). The simple remedy is

to drink celtic sea salt in your water, not table salt. Do you have low BP?

I just looked up gatorade and it says it has table salt and high fructose corn

syrup. HFCS is considered a goitrogen by some, meaning it impedes thyroid

function. So you might want to eliminate that from your diet too. Good luck,

it's in everything!

The other reason you can feel hyper but test hypo is when your body uses

adrenaline to compensate for the low thyroid. If you were severely hypo, your

pulse would be very slow, like under 50, and your body realizes this is not fast

enough to keep adequate blood supplied to your heart, brain, etc., so secretes

adrenaline instead. But you should have a constant high pulse and BP from that.

I remember trying to cut up a pine tree that had fallen on the sidewalk while DH

was at work. It was hot and my heart started racing so fast I just sat on the

sidewalk for awhile, then went in and drank some ice water with sea salt. Heart

calmed down and I was able to finish.

Barb

> >

> > Marc, please put any responses on top (standard protocol)

> >

> > I thought about this and was intrigued. When guys get older and have a big

belly, they are said to have a " beer belly. " But how would beef affect your

belly? Well if beer compromises your liver, and thyroid conversion is done in

the liver, then you'd have low thyroid. It would also mean your estradiol

processing in the liver would be lower, and high estradiol can lead to big belly

(and breasts), which goes with " that look. "

> >

> > I would be real curious to see how you're doing in a couple of months after

stopping drinking. Milk thistle is another herbal supplement that's said to

help heal/protect the liver.

> >

> > Barb

>

[Guest guest]

Wow,.....do you hit a lot of things on the head.

Sodium –133L

Potassium –4.5

Chloride –96L

These were from 12/09. I am due again for full blood-work soon.

Potassium was in range, but as you can see the others were slightly low. I have

a banana every morning in a fresh fruit smoothie for breakfast, so that probably

explains my potassium.

I also pee a lot at night, and in large volumes. Urologist says my prostate is

normal, and PSA was .5 last time.

I actually have a bag of Celtic sea salt, but mainly use it on food. Comes from

Arden, NC.

My blood pressure tends to be high, and I am on one med for

hypertension,.....Cozaar which is an ARB.

My pulse has never really been low for the fitness level that I have maintained.

Resting it only gets down to between 76 and the upper 80's. Lately it has been

running higher more often. I have had umpteen heart related tests done, and

nothing shows up bad. I DO have heart disease in my genes and that is why I see

a Cardiologist.

Also to be honest I have never been an aerobic type of exercise person. More

into lifting weights and that type of thing. I am not a 'muscle-head' nor have I

ever taken anything like anabolic steroids. Some whey protein drinks is about

it,.....none of the crazy supplements either. My work does require a LOT of

walking, and climbing though.

The only reason I DON'T have a 'beer belly' is due to the fact of the amount of

calories I burn off in a day, so your observation would surely hold true for me

down the road a bit.

You need to become a doc IMHO!

>

> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you looked that way, you already gave your

height and weight so I knew you didn't. I was just thinking out loud lol.

Because it is not uncommon, and I thought maybe the biochemistry might be

similar.

>

> Inability to tolerate the heat is usually a low aldosterone symptom that

comes from being hypothyroid for awhile. Aldosterone regulates your sodium

balance. Was there a sodium and potassium reading on your last set of labs?

People with low aldosterone tend to have low in range readings and are thirsty

and pee all the time, especially at night (that's when mine is worst). The

simple remedy is to drink celtic sea salt in your water, not table salt. Do you

have low BP?

>

> I just looked up gatorade and it says it has table salt and high fructose corn

syrup. HFCS is considered a goitrogen by some, meaning it impedes thyroid

function. So you might want to eliminate that from your diet too. Good luck,

it's in everything!

>

> The other reason you can feel hyper but test hypo is when your body uses

adrenaline to compensate for the low thyroid. If you were severely hypo, your

pulse would be very slow, like under 50, and your body realizes this is not fast

enough to keep adequate blood supplied to your heart, brain, etc., so secretes

adrenaline instead. But you should have a constant high pulse and BP from that.

>

> I remember trying to cut up a pine tree that had fallen on the sidewalk while

DH was at work. It was hot and my heart started racing so fast I just sat on

the sidewalk for awhile, then went in and drank some ice water with sea salt.

Heart calmed down and I was able to finish.

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

Low aldosterone was my problem for yrs when I had high levels of Estradiol it

gave me BPH and I had one bladder infection after the other. Every 2 weeks I

went in for a T shot and they would check my urine for an infection and each

time they would tell me drink more water your Dehydreated. They never thought

to check my aldosterone levels. When Dr. M was talking about this at the MESO

Men's Health forum I got it tested and was dam low. My Dr. never offered to

treat this with Florinef. I read about it here at this link and about adding

Sea Salt I use the Pink Himalayan sea salt I like the teste better. It was so

bad the heat that even in the winter time I had the fan on me. From what I know

about this if your levels are low the more water you drink the worse it can get.

If you don't add Sea Salt to it.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15450

And this link talks about it near the bottom of the page a very good read.

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

After taking .1 mgs of Florinef and adding Sea Salt to my water I don't have

such a bad time in the heat.

And I just read in this link muscle pain can be from Adrenals called

hypoadrenia.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 3:58 PM

> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you

> looked that way, you already gave your height and weight so

> I knew you didn't.  I was just thinking out loud

> lol.  Because it is not uncommon, and I thought maybe

> the biochemistry might be similar.

>

> Inability to tolerate the heat is usually a low aldosterone

> symptom  that comes from being hypothyroid for

> awhile.  Aldosterone regulates your sodium

> balance.  Was there a sodium and potassium reading on

> your last set of labs?  People with low aldosterone

> tend to have low in range readings and are thirsty and pee

> all the time, especially at night (that's when mine is

> worst).  The simple remedy is to drink celtic sea salt

> in your water, not table salt.  Do you have low BP?

>

> I just looked up gatorade and it says it has table salt and

> high fructose corn syrup.  HFCS is considered a

> goitrogen by some, meaning it impedes thyroid

> function.  So you might want to eliminate that from

> your diet too.  Good luck, it's in everything!

>

> The other reason you can feel hyper but test hypo is when

> your body uses adrenaline to compensate for the low

> thyroid.  If you were severely hypo, your pulse would

> be very slow, like under 50, and your body realizes this is

> not fast enough to keep adequate blood supplied to your

> heart, brain, etc., so secretes adrenaline instead. 

> But you should have a constant high pulse and BP from that.

>

> I remember trying to cut up a pine tree that had fallen on

> the sidewalk while DH was at work.  It was hot and my

> heart started racing so fast I just sat on the sidewalk for

> awhile, then went in and drank some ice water with sea

> salt.  Heart calmed down and I was able to finish.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Marc, please put any responses on top (standard

> protocol)

> > >

> > > I thought about this and was intrigued. 

> When guys get older and have a big belly, they are said to

> have a " beer belly. "   But how would beef affect your

> belly?  Well if beer compromises your liver, and

> thyroid conversion is done in the liver, then you'd have low

> thyroid.  It would also mean your estradiol processing

> in the liver would be lower, and high estradiol can lead to

> big belly (and breasts), which goes with " that look. "

> > >

> > > I would be real curious to see how you're doing

> in a couple of months after stopping drinking.  Milk

> thistle is another herbal supplement that's said to help

> heal/protect the liver. 

> > >

> > > Barb

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting reads Phil.

Doesn't look like I would have low aldosterone I guess since my Cortisol is

pretty high, and I struggle with hypertension not low BP.

I probably could use more salt though. I am on a well here, but I have my own

mini water treatment plant out there! LOL

As it is pumped it's injected with a small amount of chlorine and goes into a

contact tank. When I use water in the house it goes through a large carbon

filter to remove the chlorine, and then through a softener. But, after that my

drinking water goes through a reverse osmosis system under the kitchen sink.

They remove virtually all of the salt and minerals in the water.

I also don't use much salt in food due to my hypertension, but personally I

don't think I am one of those folks that is 'salt sensitive' per se.

Mild hyponatremia can cause a rapid pulse I think also.

I really wish I could figure out why the heat is affecting me so much in the

past year or so. Before I would simply sweat and keep going and drinking fluids.

>

> Low aldosterone was my problem for yrs when I had high levels of Estradiol it

gave me BPH and I had one bladder infection after the other. Every 2 weeks I

went in for a T shot and they would check my urine for an infection and each

time they would tell me drink more water your Dehydreated. They never thought

to check my aldosterone levels. When Dr. M was talking about this at the MESO

Men's Health forum I got it tested and was dam low. My Dr. never offered to

treat this with Florinef. I read about it here at this link and about adding

Sea Salt I use the Pink Himalayan sea salt I like the teste better. It was so

bad the heat that even in the winter time I had the fan on me. From what I know

about this if your levels are low the more water you drink the worse it can get.

If you don't add Sea Salt to it.

>

> http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15450

> And this link talks about it near the bottom of the page a very good read.

> http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

>

> After taking .1 mgs of Florinef and adding Sea Salt to my water I don't have

such a bad time in the heat.

>

> And I just read in this link muscle pain can be from Adrenals called

hypoadrenia.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Table Salt is not good but Sea Salt is good read this link.

Dr.'s telling people to cut back on salt is making them sick.

http://www.eaec.org/bookstore/books/sywth-excerpt.htm

One other thing is to check your Estradiol levels when mine are high I feel hot

and sweat day and night and even look red on my upper body and face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 12:24 PM

>

>

> Interesting reads Phil.

> Doesn't look like I would have low aldosterone I guess

> since my Cortisol is pretty high, and I struggle with

> hypertension not low BP.

>

> I probably could use more salt though. I am on a well here,

> but I have my own mini water treatment plant out there! LOL

> As it is pumped it's injected with a small amount of

> chlorine and goes into a contact tank. When I use water in

> the house it goes through a large carbon filter to remove

> the chlorine, and then through a softener. But, after that

> my drinking water goes through a reverse osmosis system

> under the kitchen sink. They remove virtually all of the

> salt and minerals in the water.

>

> I also don't use much salt in food due to my hypertension,

> but personally I don't think I am one of those folks that is

> 'salt sensitive' per se.

>

> Mild hyponatremia can cause a rapid pulse I think also.

> I really wish I could figure out why the heat is affecting

> me so much in the past year or so. Before I would simply

> sweat and keep going and drinking fluids.

>

>

> >

> > Low aldosterone was my problem for yrs when I had high

> levels of Estradiol it gave me BPH and I had one bladder

> infection after the other.  Every 2 weeks I went in for

> a T shot and they would check my urine for an infection and

> each time they would tell me drink more water your

> Dehydreated.  They never thought to check my

> aldosterone levels.  When Dr. M was talking about this

> at the MESO Men's Health forum I got it tested and was dam

> low.  My Dr. never offered to treat this with

> Florinef.  I read about it here at this link and about

> adding Sea Salt I use the Pink Himalayan sea salt I like the

> teste better.  It was so bad the heat that even in the

> winter time I had the fan on me.  From what I know

> about this if your levels are low the more water you drink

> the worse it can get.  If you don't add Sea Salt to

> it.

> >

> > http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15450

> > And this link talks about it near the bottom of the

> page a very good read.

> > http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

> >

> > After taking .1 mgs of Florinef and adding Sea Salt to

> my water I don't have such a bad time in the heat.

> >

> > And I just read in this link muscle pain can be from

> Adrenals called hypoadrenia.

> >

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,.....how much sea-salt to one of those 16 ounce bottles of water?

I have the Celtic brand.

>

> Table Salt is not good but Sea Salt is good read this link.

> Dr.'s telling people to cut back on salt is making them sick.

> http://www.eaec.org/bookstore/books/sywth-excerpt.htm

> One other thing is to check your Estradiol levels when mine are high I feel

hot and sweat day and night and even look red on my upper body and face.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

" marc200134470 " <cfs38@...> wrote:

> Doesn't look like I would have low aldosterone I guess since my Cortisol is

pretty high, and I struggle with hypertension not low BP.

You could still have low aldosterone but the adrenaline compensating for low

thyroid would override the low BP. High cortisol also raises BP, so you have to

look at the net effect. I once saw a flow chart of the hormone pathways and

just busted out laughing. The hormone/neurotransmitter system is SO complex

it's no wonder docs have no grasp of it. Then someone else commented he thought

it was the runway map of O'Hare lol.

> I also don't use much salt in food due to my hypertension, but personally I

don't think I am one of those folks that is 'salt sensitive' per se.

This is another doc-perpetrated myth, like cholesterol is bad. Your body needs

cholesterol; it's part of the huge flow chart of hormones, so if you lower

cholesterol, you're disrupting MAJOR essential pathways. Likewise, your body,

and adrenals NEED sodium. Hypertension is not so much sodium related as it is

thyroid, cortisol, aldosterone related. A woman who moderates a thyroid/adrenal

forum used to have BP of 248/145 and cholesterol of 640. Now on enough thyroid

meds, her BP and cholesterol are well within range, something like 130/80 and

160.

> Mild hyponatremia can cause a rapid pulse I think also.

Yes, and yours is not mild if your sodium is below range. I would certainly try

drinking more sea salt ALL day and see if that helps. You should salt to taste.

Start with 1/4 tsp in a glass and if you can't taste anything, add more. I like

the taste of about 1/8 tsp per glass, and DH has put more than double that in

his. When I tasted it once I gagged. So your body lets you know what you need

by taste.

> I really wish I could figure out why the heat is affecting me so much in the

past year or so. Before I would simply sweat and keep going and drinking fluids.

I asked the same question, since I'm still tinkering with my thyroid dose. Am I

overmedicated or is it just hot? It's f-ing HOT@! Didn't the whole US have

record hot temps this summer? And in FL we had record low temps last winter!

So it's not ALL you lol!

Barb

[Guest guest]

I do one half a tsp first thing in the morning for most people this is all they

need if not do this 2 or 3 x's a day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results From Endo,...............

>

> Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 1:12 PM

> Phil,.....how much sea-salt to one of

> those 16 ounce bottles of water?

> I have the Celtic brand.

>

>

> >

> > Table Salt is not good but Sea Salt is good read this

> link.

> > Dr.'s telling people to cut back on salt is making

> them sick.

> > http://www.eaec.org/bookstore/books/sywth-excerpt.htm

> > One other thing is to check your Estradiol levels when

> mine are high I feel hot and sweat day and night and even

> look red on my upper body and face.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,.....didn't realize you were in Florida also!

Yes it has been one of the hottest summers I can remember since moving to

Central Florida from South Florida in 1991.

Those blood test readings I posted were from December of last year. I asked my

doc about them, and he said it was of no concern whatsoever.

Now I WILL admit I was drinking more beer back then, and I see that can also

cause the issue. Beer has very little sodium, plus the alcohol acts as a

diuretic I believe. They actually have a specific term for this but I don't

recall it now.

Before you think I am a 'lush' I only drink light beer with a low alcohol

content. It is mainly water.

I gave up the hard stuff when I was 25, and have never touched it again. I am

going to do the same thing with the stupid beer though to see what happens. I am

not exactly a kid anymore and need to start taking better care of myself.

I really have NEVER been a big salt eater,....some people cook with way too much

salt for my taste, and I am not into eating out much where the stuff is loaded

with salt. I don't purposely try to avoid it even though I have been told to

though. I agree with you that it is a medical myth.

I see my Cardiologist on 10/7, and I will ask him about testing my aldosterone

levels. He has been trying to get me to start a beta-blocker to bring my BP down

some more, as well as my pulse but I have resisted. I hate taking meds, and BB's

have all kinds of side-effects.

About the worst my BP gets on the one med is 140/90 which I consider to be

'fairly' safe myself.

Just wanted to tell you that you have been the one to convince me to give up my

beer habit totally with all of the points you have made.

Also I put a finger pinch of the Celtic sea-salt in my mouth and dissolved it

then followed it with some water. Within about 10 minutes I could feel a

difference in my pulse for the better,.....slower, and less 'bounding' if you

know what I mean.

Sorry for the novel, and thanks again!

>

> > Doesn't look like I would have low aldosterone I guess since my Cortisol is

pretty high, and I struggle with hypertension not low BP.

>

> You could still have low aldosterone but the adrenaline compensating for low

thyroid would override the low BP. High cortisol also raises BP, so you have to

look at the net effect. I once saw a flow chart of the hormone pathways and

just busted out laughing. The hormone/neurotransmitter system is SO complex

it's no wonder docs have no grasp of it. Then someone else commented he thought

it was the runway map of O'Hare lol.

>

> > I also don't use much salt in food due to my hypertension, but personally I

don't think I am one of those folks that is 'salt sensitive' per se.

>

> This is another doc-perpetrated myth, like cholesterol is bad. Your body

needs cholesterol; it's part of the huge flow chart of hormones, so if you lower

cholesterol, you're disrupting MAJOR essential pathways. Likewise, your body,

and adrenals NEED sodium. Hypertension is not so much sodium related as it is

thyroid, cortisol, aldosterone related. A woman who moderates a thyroid/adrenal

forum used to have BP of 248/145 and cholesterol of 640. Now on enough thyroid

meds, her BP and cholesterol are well within range, something like 130/80 and

160.

>

> > Mild hyponatremia can cause a rapid pulse I think also.

>

> Yes, and yours is not mild if your sodium is below range. I would certainly

try drinking more sea salt ALL day and see if that helps. You should salt to

taste. Start with 1/4 tsp in a glass and if you can't taste anything, add more.

I like the taste of about 1/8 tsp per glass, and DH has put more than double

that in his. When I tasted it once I gagged. So your body lets you know what

you need by taste.

>

> > I really wish I could figure out why the heat is affecting me so much in the

past year or so. Before I would simply sweat and keep going and drinking fluids.

>

> I asked the same question, since I'm still tinkering with my thyroid dose. Am

I overmedicated or is it just hot? It's f-ing HOT@! Didn't the whole US have

record hot temps this summer? And in FL we had record low temps last winter!

So it's not ALL you lol!

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

" marc200134470 " <cfs38@...> wrote:

> I see my Cardiologist on 10/7, and I will ask him about testing my aldosterone

levels. He has been trying to get me to start a beta-blocker to bring my BP down

some more, as well as my pulse but I have resisted. I hate taking meds, and BB's

have all kinds of side-effects.

> About the worst my BP gets on the one med is 140/90 which I consider to be

'fairly' safe myself.

Beta blockers can impede thyroid conversion and increase rT3. It is what

started DH's downward spiral, which is why I'm so anti-pharmaceutical. His

pulse was 48, hands and feet like ice and wearing parkas at work cause it was

too cold. Doc said he was " fine " and that's when medical research became my

" hobby " lol.

Re BP, when both numbers are high, like yours, it can indicate hypothyroid.

When top number is high and bottom low, it can indicate hyperthyroid. When I

was way undermedicated on thyroid mine was 170/100, pulse 100, obviously running

on adrenaline. A lot of what I know is because I experienced it first-hand and

wanted to know why.

I would be extremely reluctant to start you on meds yet, just in case you're one

of the lucky ones where some changes in diet and addition of a few supplements

might work. TRT shots are a literal PITA. Thyroid meds are simpler, just take

a few pills per day, but even that has changed in the last year, with good meds

getting harder and harder to get. I order mine from Canada now.

> Just wanted to tell you that you have been the one to convince me to give up

my beer habit totally with all of the points you have made.

Well if your health improves, it will be worth it.

> Also I put a finger pinch of the Celtic sea-salt in my mouth and dissolved it

then followed it with some water. Within about 10 minutes I could feel a

difference in my pulse for the better,.....slower, and less 'bounding' if you

know what I mean.

Then make sure you drink it while working in this heat! I need to plant some

seedlings today and will have to wait a few hours till it cools down to 90 ha!

> Sorry for the novel, and thanks again!

You're welcome, glad someone else can benefit from what I've learned.

Barb

[Guest guest]

Barb and the other women here are great bit time help.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > I see my Cardiologist on 10/7, and I will ask him

> about testing my aldosterone levels. He has been trying to

> get me to start a beta-blocker to bring my BP down some

> more, as well as my pulse but I have resisted. I hate taking

> meds, and BB's have all kinds of side-effects.

> > About the worst my BP gets on the one med is 140/90

> which I consider to be 'fairly' safe myself.

>

> Beta blockers can impede thyroid conversion and increase

> rT3.  It is what started DH's downward spiral, which is

> why I'm so anti-pharmaceutical.  His pulse was 48,

> hands and feet like ice and wearing parkas at work cause it

> was too cold.  Doc said he was " fine " and that's when

> medical research became my " hobby " lol.

>

> Re BP, when both numbers are high, like yours, it can

> indicate hypothyroid.  When top number is high and

> bottom low, it can indicate hyperthyroid.  When I was

> way undermedicated on thyroid mine was 170/100, pulse 100,

> obviously running on adrenaline.  A lot of what I know

> is because I experienced it first-hand and wanted to know

> why. 

>

> I would be extremely reluctant to start you on meds yet,

> just in case you're one of the lucky ones where some changes

> in diet and addition of a few supplements might work. 

> TRT shots are a literal PITA.  Thyroid meds are

> simpler, just take a few pills per day, but even that has

> changed in the last year, with good meds getting harder and

> harder to get.  I order mine from Canada now.

>

> > Just wanted to tell you that you have been the one to

> convince me to give up my beer habit totally with all of the

> points you have made.

>

> Well if your health improves, it will be worth it.

>

> > Also I put a finger pinch of the Celtic sea-salt in my

> mouth and dissolved it then followed it with some water.

> Within about 10 minutes I could feel a difference in my

> pulse for the better,.....slower, and less 'bounding' if you

> know what I mean.

>

> Then make sure you drink it while working in this

> heat!  I need to plant some seedlings today and will

> have to wait a few hours till it cools down to 90 ha!

>

> > Sorry for the novel, and thanks again!

>

> You're welcome, glad someone else can benefit from what

> I've learned.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Last post on this for me Barb, but I want to say how much I appreciate your

advice and time. Also your husband is a lucky man to have a wife like you!

I am going to stop ALL alcohol first, and then I will try some of the

supplements as well. Going to start using sea-salt more often on my food, as

well as in my water in small doses. I think I have the same brand you

recommended.

I do not want any other meds added until I do this and see what happens. As far

as diet goes,...I am far from a vegan. I eat a lot of meat. I simply have tried

to keep it healthy though, as in broiled or grilled fish, skinless chicken

breast, and I eat a ton of bison meat as I said before. My cholesterol and all

of that stuff has been fine for a number of years.

Possibly I don't get enough fat even though I take fish-oil and eat meat

everyday?

I can see how all of this could make a person 'nuts' after awhile with all of

the info out there.

Anyway,.....this is my only choice, as no doc here is going to treat me for a

thyroid condition with my test results. I am going with the possibility of a

'sluggish' liver even though my last blood tests were ok. AST/ALT were up a

little bit from the previous year which is a sign I believe. All others relating

to the liver were the same as I have always had.

I have made a note about the milk thistle, but I am not really into herbs.

Vitamins I will do, but I know a lot of folks that have had issues with

herbs,......also a lot of herbs will ramp your BP. I need to research the one

you mentioned. I am one of those unique individuals that prefers to swallow the

least amount of pills as is possible. )

Thank you once again for your help,......it really means a lot.

>

> > I see my Cardiologist on 10/7, and I will ask him about testing my

aldosterone levels. He has been trying to get me to start a beta-blocker to

bring my BP down some more, as well as my pulse but I have resisted. I hate

taking meds, and BB's have all kinds of side-effects.

> > About the worst my BP gets on the one med is 140/90 which I consider to be

'fairly' safe myself.

>

> Beta blockers can impede thyroid conversion and increase rT3. It is what

started DH's downward spiral, which is why I'm so anti-pharmaceutical. His

pulse was 48, hands and feet like ice and wearing parkas at work cause it was

too cold. Doc said he was " fine " and that's when medical research became my

" hobby " lol.

>

> Re BP, when both numbers are high, like yours, it can indicate hypothyroid.

When top number is high and bottom low, it can indicate hyperthyroid. When I

was way undermedicated on thyroid mine was 170/100, pulse 100, obviously running

on adrenaline. A lot of what I know is because I experienced it first-hand and

wanted to know why.

>

> I would be extremely reluctant to start you on meds yet, just in case you're

one of the lucky ones where some changes in diet and addition of a few

supplements might work. TRT shots are a literal PITA. Thyroid meds are

simpler, just take a few pills per day, but even that has changed in the last

year, with good meds getting harder and harder to get. I order mine from Canada

now.

>

> > Just wanted to tell you that you have been the one to convince me to give up

my beer habit totally with all of the points you have made.

>

> Well if your health improves, it will be worth it.

>

> > Also I put a finger pinch of the Celtic sea-salt in my mouth and dissolved

it then followed it with some water. Within about 10 minutes I could feel a

difference in my pulse for the better,.....slower, and less 'bounding' if you

know what I mean.

>

> Then make sure you drink it while working in this heat! I need to plant some

seedlings today and will have to wait a few hours till it cools down to 90 ha!

>

> > Sorry for the novel, and thanks again!

>

> You're welcome, glad someone else can benefit from what I've learned.

>

> Barb

>