Guest guest Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Hi and Welcome, I see your problem it's simple your Estrogen levels are very high. But the test you need is Estradiol if the test you showed is Estradiol you need your levels at 74 pmol/L or in my units 20 pg/ml. What happens is with them high levels your SHBG will go up and this binds up your Total Testosterone in your body so it's not working. So you end up with a very low Free Testosterone. Here in the USA Dr.'s use Arimidex to keep this down in men but most of them are on TRT. You don't need TRT you only need to get your Estradiol levels down. High levels of Estradiol will do the following but not all at the same time. 1) Lower Free Testosterone. 2) Make you feel fatigue. 3) Kill your sex life giving you ED your wood can't get hard enough for sex. And you stop having night time and morning wood. 4) Sore and hard nipples. 5) Hot Flash's or just feeling hot and sweating easy. 6) Brain Fog with feelings of Depression. 7) Holding water. 8) Breaking out in hives or rashes. 9) Panic Attacks. 10) Trouble emptying your bladder with infections. 11) Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) 12) Man boobs For things that you do and eat that can make your levels high read this link. http://www.criticalbench.com/strength/estrogen-levels-men.html The following is from the link. =================================================== Rule number one to avoid excessive estrogen levels: maintain a healthy body weight–build and maintain lean muscle mass. In particular, pay close attention to the fat around the middle of your body. These fat cells are known to produce aromatase, which can lead to higher estrogen levels in men, thus changing the hormonal balance. There are plenty of other things that can lead to higher estrogen levels in men too so guys of any age should be aware of the following: • Medications: Some medications can cause estrogen levels to rise so be on the lookout for estrogen-containing drugs, steroids, ulcer medications such as cimetidine, some antibiotics (tetracycline, ampicillin, etc.), anti-fungal medications and antidepressants. Since there are more medications that can cause this effect, you should check with your doctor or pharmacist. • Illness: Certain illnesses also cause spikes in estrogen levels including some tumors of the testes, adrenal and pituitary glands, liver and lung, cirrhosis (liver disease). Kidney and thyroid disease may elevate estrogen levels as well. • Drugs: Using illicit drugs is another sure-fire way to cause a jump in estrogen so stay away from anabolic steroids, marijuana, cocaine and other drugs that can affect hormone levels. • Alcohol: Moderate drinking generally doesn’t cause problems but frequent benders can. Drinking excessively can increase the body’s conversion of testosterone into estrogen, especially in fat cells. It can also block the liver from effectively eliminating excess estrogen. • Environmental exposure: Things that we run across in our daily lives can also contribute to elevated estrogen levels in men. The list of pesticides, chemicals and herbicides that have the potential to cause estrogen-like effects in the body is lengthy so do yourself a favor and avoid them as much as possible. A number of experts have also begun to believe that there is a link between the ingestion of hormone-enhanced food and elevated estrogen levels. More research is sure to be done on the subject so stay tuned. In any case, hormone- and pesticide-free, unprocessed foods are best for your body so stick with those. ---------------------------------------------------- If I were you I would try some Zinc/Copper starting with 50 mgs 2 x's / day for the first 4 weeks then take it once a day. You need Copper when taking Zinc because Zinc lowers Copper levels So for every 50 mgs of Zinc you need 2 mgs of Copper. Try something like this. http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html Your not on TRT so taking meds like Arimidex are very strong and can make your levels very low this is just as bad as being to high. So try some DIM read the following about DIM. =================================================== ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.ehow.com/how_5673479_lower-estrogen-levels-men.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: Silva <windowdorr@...> > Subject: Low free high total > > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:33 AM > Hi, > > I've just stumbled upon this website and wonder whether > anybody has any idea > about my situation. I can't seem to use the search engine > on the page to check > for any similar experiences so I'm gonna have to run > through my own... I'm a 37 > year old man and recently got these results from a blood > test - > > Total testosterone - 36.1 nmol/L (9.9 - 27.9) > Free testosterone - 3.78 pg/ml (3.84 - 34.17) > Estrogen - 151.6 pmol/L (28 - 156) > FSH - 3.4 U/L (1.5 - 12.4) > LH - 3.69 U/L (1.7 - 8.6) > Prolactin - 284 mU/L (98 - 456) > > These results seem to be on a different scale to others > that I have seen, but I > hope that they are still interpretable... > > I've seen an endocrinoligist about these results but  he > was pretty unsure about > what they meant. He said he's going to try to look into > it, but suggested that > there was probably nothing to be done about it... Does > anybody else have > any ideas? > > In terms of physical symptoms I've got very little facial > or body hair, have > suffered with depression and anxiety throughout my adult > life and also have a > problem with fluctuating energy levels, something I'd > previously identified as > hypoglycemia. I'm pretty lazy and and directionless > generally and often have > other problems that I've recently read about concerning low > T levels, including > 'brain fog'. Despite having a healthy diet and being > pretty skinny, I also > recently got high scores in a colesterol test. I spend a > lot of time watching > boxing and MMA as this seems to stimulate some kind of T > feeling... I've got a > pretty low libido and very little spontaneous wood although > I love looking at > porn in a effort to stimulate something... > > At this stage I'm not sure whether I'm just trying to find > a new explanation for > feeling 'not quite right' or whether these results acutally > suggest something > significant. A couple of doctors I've seen prior to this > endocrinologist said > that these results are pretty normal and nothing to worry > about. I haven't been > able to find anything on the web about this seemingly > contradictory situation of > high total and low free testosterone, and wonder whether > this situation would > seem to qualify me for possible TRT or not. Does anybody > over there have any > ideas!!!??? > > Dorr. > > >    > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hi Phil, Firstly, thank you very much for the reassurance and all the info. As I mentioned, I'd previously been told by each of the three doctors that I've asked about this situation, that either there was no problem, or nothing to be done about it. None of them even made any comment about my Estradiol levels! You were right that the results I was quoting for 'estrogen' were actually estradiol - I'm living in Poland at the moment and just assumed that this was the Polish term for estrogen. As for the lifestyle factors, it seems I'm already doing most things right, although heavy drinking at the weekends is a bit of a black spot. Concerning possible treatments you mention, a complicating factor concerning the zinc/copper and DIM supplements is that I'm on a lifelong regime of Warfarin (Coumadin) for a DVT I suffered back in my 20s. Warfarin interacts with loads of things and it seems that it does with these two. One of the sources you quoted suggests that taking zinc/copper at a different time of day to the warfarin may be enough to avoid any problems, but the DIM literature seems more circumspect and instructs talking to your doc before considering mixing the two. I'll see someone this week and see what they say - it might just mean having my blood checked more regularly. Arimidex on the other hand apparently doesn't have any interaction with warfarin, but its potential side effects look more severe than the DIM... I'll see what the doctors say about mixing DIM and warfarin, but if they say it's a big no-no, what do you think about the Arimidex? Is it not possible to adjust the dose in order to reduce its impact? Once again, thanks alot for taking the time to look into my situation. Regards, .  ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 4:39:03 PM Subject: Re: Low free high total  Hi and Welcome, I see your problem it's simple your Estrogen levels are very high. But the test you need is Estradiol if the test you showed is Estradiol you need your levels at 74 pmol/L or in my units 20 pg/ml. What happens is with them high levels your SHBG will go up and this binds up your Total Testosterone in your body so it's not working. So you end up with a very low Free Testosterone. Here in the USA Dr.'s use Arimidex to keep this down in men but most of them are on TRT. You don't need TRT you only need to get your Estradiol levels down. High levels of Estradiol will do the following but not all at the same time. 1) Lower Free Testosterone. 2) Make you feel fatigue. 3) Kill your sex life giving you ED your wood can't get hard enough for sex. And you stop having night time and morning wood. 4) Sore and hard nipples. 5) Hot Flash's or just feeling hot and sweating easy. 6) Brain Fog with feelings of Depression. 7) Holding water. 8) Breaking out in hives or rashes. 9) Panic Attacks. 10) Trouble emptying your bladder with infections. 11) Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) 12) Man boobs For things that you do and eat that can make your levels high read this link. http://www.criticalbench.com/strength/estrogen-levels-men.html The following is from the link. =================================================== Rule number one to avoid excessive estrogen levels: maintain a healthy body weight–build and maintain lean muscle mass. In particular, pay close attention to the fat around the middle of your body. These fat cells are known to produce aromatase, which can lead to higher estrogen levels in men, thus changing the hormonal balance. There are plenty of other things that can lead to higher estrogen levels in men too so guys of any age should be aware of the following: • Medications: Some medications can cause estrogen levels to rise so be on the lookout for estrogen-containing drugs, steroids, ulcer medications such as cimetidine, some antibiotics (tetracycline, ampicillin, etc.), anti-fungal medications and antidepressants. Since there are more medications that can cause this effect, you should check with your doctor or pharmacist. • Illness: Certain illnesses also cause spikes in estrogen levels including some tumors of the testes, adrenal and pituitary glands, liver and lung, cirrhosis (liver disease). Kidney and thyroid disease may elevate estrogen levels as well. • Drugs: Using illicit drugs is another sure-fire way to cause a jump in estrogen so stay away from anabolic steroids, marijuana, cocaine and other drugs that can affect hormone levels. • Alcohol: Moderate drinking generally doesn’t cause problems but frequent benders can. Drinking excessively can increase the body’s conversion of testosterone into estrogen, especially in fat cells. It can also block the liver from effectively eliminating excess estrogen. • Environmental exposure: Things that we run across in our daily lives can also contribute to elevated estrogen levels in men. The list of pesticides, chemicals and herbicides that have the potential to cause estrogen-like effects in the body is lengthy so do yourself a favor and avoid them as much as possible. A number of experts have also begun to believe that there is a link between the ingestion of hormone-enhanced food and elevated estrogen levels. More research is sure to be done on the subject so stay tuned. In any case, hormone- and pesticide-free, unprocessed foods are best for your body so stick with those. ---------------------------------------------------- If I were you I would try some Zinc/Copper starting with 50 mgs 2 x's / day for the first 4 weeks then take it once a day. You need Copper when taking Zinc because Zinc lowers Copper levels So for every 50 mgs of Zinc you need 2 mgs of Copper. Try something like this. http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html Your not on TRT so taking meds like Arimidex are very strong and can make your levels very low this is just as bad as being to high. So try some DIM read the following about DIM. =================================================== ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.ehow.com/how_5673479_lower-estrogen-levels-men.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: Silva <windowdorr@...> > Subject: Low free high total > > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:33 AM > Hi, > > I've just stumbled upon this website and wonder whether > anybody has any idea > about my situation. I can't seem to use the search engine > on the page to check > for any similar experiences so I'm gonna have to run > through my own... I'm a 37 > year old man and recently got these results from a blood > test - > > Total testosterone - 36.1 nmol/L (9.9 - 27.9) > Free testosterone - 3.78 pg/ml (3.84 - 34.17) > Estrogen - 151.6 pmol/L (28 - 156) > FSH - 3.4 U/L (1.5 - 12.4) > LH - 3.69 U/L (1.7 - 8.6) > Prolactin - 284 mU/L (98 - 456) > > These results seem to be on a different scale to others > that I have seen, but I > hope that they are still interpretable... > > I've seen an endocrinoligist about these results but  he > was pretty unsure about > what they meant. He said he's going to try to look into > it, but suggested that > there was probably nothing to be done about it... Does > anybody else have > any ideas? > > In terms of physical symptoms I've got very little facial > or body hair, have > suffered with depression and anxiety throughout my adult > life and also have a > problem with fluctuating energy levels, something I'd > previously identified as > hypoglycemia. I'm pretty lazy and and directionless > generally and often have > other problems that I've recently read about concerning low > T levels, including > 'brain fog'. Despite having a healthy diet and being > pretty skinny, I also > recently got high scores in a colesterol test. I spend a > lot of time watching > boxing and MMA as this seems to stimulate some kind of T > feeling... I've got a > pretty low libido and very little spontaneous wood although > I love looking at > porn in a effort to stimulate something... > > At this stage I'm not sure whether I'm just trying to find > a new explanation for > feeling 'not quite right' or whether these results acutally > suggest something > significant. A couple of doctors I've seen prior to this > endocrinologist said > that these results are pretty normal and nothing to worry > about. I haven't been > able to find anything on the web about this seemingly > contradictory situation of > high total and low free testosterone, and wonder whether > this situation would > seem to qualify me for possible TRT or not. Does anybody > over there have any > ideas!!!??? > > Dorr. > > >    > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I did some searching and this link says " DIM may alter the clearance of the following: Coumadin (warfarin), caffeine, theophylline, dilantin, tegretal, or other anti-seizure medications. ... " But when I open the link can't find what they are saying. http://www.energeticnutrition.com/vitalzym/dim.html In this link about Arimidex it says " An interaction study with warfarin showed no clinically significant effect of anastrozole on warfarin pharmacokinetics or anticoagulant activity. " http://www.flexyx.com/A/Arimidex.html So if you can get Arimidex try this the only side effect I know of is going to low on your Estraidol levels taking to much of it. My not on TRT need very little to lower there E2 Estraidol levels say 1/4 of a pill every 3 to 5 days. So you don't go to low on it follow this. ================================================== How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Or have it compounded into very small dose's. ================================================== Most compounding pharmacies will require a prescription from a doctor, before they do this. Once your prescription says " 300 caps x 0.1mg " or " 600 caps x 0.05mg " anastrozole " from 1 to 4 daily " , (anastrozole = generic arimidex) then they will compound your arimidex, or generic anastrozole, and they will usually supply the arimidex as compounded into the caps you require. My compounding pharmacist was prepared to allow me to supply the arimidex too. If you have several boxes of arimidex in your cupboard, then you may want to ask your pharmacist to do this for you. If you don't have any arimidex stores, then just let the compounding pharmacy supply the whole lot. ### A pack of 30 tabs of 1.0mg arimidex will give 300 caps at 0.1mg-per-cap, or 600 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap. So if your pharmacy chooses to supply arimidex as opposed to generic anastrozole, then your pharmacy will most likely not agree to only charge you for a half-a-box of arimidex, and most likely they'll charge for a whole box, even if your prescription says 300 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap (total of 15mg) You can buy Arimidex over seas without a script if you can't get it over there let me know. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Silva <windowdorr@...> > > Subject: Low free high total > > > > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:33 AM > > Hi, > > > > I've just stumbled upon this website and wonder > whether > > anybody has any idea > > about my situation. I can't seem to use the search > engine > > on the page to check > > for any similar experiences so I'm gonna have to run > > through my own... I'm a 37 > > year old man and recently got these results from a > blood > > test - > > > > Total testosterone - 36.1 nmol/L (9.9 - 27.9) > > Free testosterone - 3.78 pg/ml (3.84 - 34.17) > > Estrogen - 151.6 pmol/L (28 - 156) > > FSH - 3.4 U/L (1.5 - 12.4) > > LH - 3.69 U/L (1.7 - 8.6) > > Prolactin - 284 mU/L (98 - 456) > > > > These results seem to be on a different scale to > others > > that I have seen, but I > > hope that they are still interpretable... > > > > I've seen an endocrinoligist about these results but >  he > > was pretty unsure about > > what they meant. He said he's going to try to look > into > > it, but suggested that > > there was probably nothing to be done about it... > Does > > anybody else have > > any ideas? > > > > In terms of physical symptoms I've got very little > facial > > or body hair, have > > suffered with depression and anxiety throughout my > adult > > life and also have a > > problem with fluctuating energy levels, something I'd > > previously identified as > > hypoglycemia. I'm pretty lazy and and directionless > > generally and often have > > other problems that I've recently read about > concerning low > > T levels, including > > 'brain fog'. Despite having a healthy diet and > being > > pretty skinny, I also > > recently got high scores in a colesterol test. I > spend a > > lot of time watching > > boxing and MMA as this seems to stimulate some kind of > T > > feeling... I've got a > > pretty low libido and very little spontaneous wood > although > > I love looking at > > porn in a effort to stimulate something... > > > > At this stage I'm not sure whether I'm just trying to > find > > a new explanation for > > feeling 'not quite right' or whether these results > acutally > > suggest something > > significant. A couple of doctors I've seen prior to > this > > endocrinologist said > > that these results are pretty normal and nothing to > worry > > about. I haven't been > > able to find anything on the web about this seemingly > > contradictory situation of > > high total and low free testosterone, and wonder > whether > > this situation would > > seem to qualify me for possible TRT or not. Does > anybody > > over there have any > > ideas!!!??? > > > > Dorr. > > > > > >    > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Hi Phil, Thanks for the info. On that link you provided it says that warfarin shouldn't be taken with DIM. I'm going to try to check with a blood specialist asap just to make sure, but unfortunately it seems like it might be a non-starter. I'm seeing my endo tomorrow and will see what he thinks about arimidex. Even if he agrees that it is worth a try, it seems that it would be very expensive to get it from a pharmasist here, so I might be asking you for the best place to get hold of some... Cheers, ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 7:28:16 PM Subject: Re: Low free high total  I did some searching and this link says " DIM may alter the clearance of the following: Coumadin (warfarin), caffeine, theophylline, dilantin, tegretal, or other anti-seizure medications. ... " But when I open the link can't find what they are saying. http://www.energeticnutrition.com/vitalzym/dim.html In this link about Arimidex it says " An interaction study with warfarin showed no clinically significant effect of anastrozole on warfarin pharmacokinetics or anticoagulant activity. " http://www.flexyx.com/A/Arimidex.html So if you can get Arimidex try this the only side effect I know of is going to low on your Estraidol levels taking to much of it. My not on TRT need very little to lower there E2 Estraidol levels say 1/4 of a pill every 3 to 5 days. So you don't go to low on it follow this. ================================================== How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Or have it compounded into very small dose's. ================================================== Most compounding pharmacies will require a prescription from a doctor, before they do this. Once your prescription says " 300 caps x 0.1mg " or " 600 caps x 0.05mg " anastrozole " from 1 to 4 daily " , (anastrozole = generic arimidex) then they will compound your arimidex, or generic anastrozole, and they will usually supply the arimidex as compounded into the caps you require. My compounding pharmacist was prepared to allow me to supply the arimidex too. If you have several boxes of arimidex in your cupboard, then you may want to ask your pharmacist to do this for you. If you don't have any arimidex stores, then just let the compounding pharmacy supply the whole lot. ### A pack of 30 tabs of 1.0mg arimidex will give 300 caps at 0.1mg-per-cap, or 600 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap. So if your pharmacy chooses to supply arimidex as opposed to generic anastrozole, then your pharmacy will most likely not agree to only charge you for a half-a-box of arimidex, and most likely they'll charge for a whole box, even if your prescription says 300 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap (total of 15mg) You can buy Arimidex over seas without a script if you can't get it over there let me know. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Silva <windowdorr@...> > > Subject: Low free high total > > > > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:33 AM > > Hi, > > > > I've just stumbled upon this website and wonder > whether > > anybody has any idea > > about my situation. I can't seem to use the search > engine > > on the page to check > > for any similar experiences so I'm gonna have to run > > through my own... I'm a 37 > > year old man and recently got these results from a > blood > > test - > > > > Total testosterone - 36.1 nmol/L (9.9 - 27.9) > > Free testosterone - 3.78 pg/ml (3.84 - 34.17) > > Estrogen - 151.6 pmol/L (28 - 156) > > FSH - 3.4 U/L (1.5 - 12.4) > > LH - 3.69 U/L (1.7 - 8.6) > > Prolactin - 284 mU/L (98 - 456) > > > > These results seem to be on a different scale to > others > > that I have seen, but I > > hope that they are still interpretable... > > > > I've seen an endocrinoligist about these results but >  he > > was pretty unsure about > > what they meant. He said he's going to try to look > into > > it, but suggested that > > there was probably nothing to be done about it... > Does > > anybody else have > > any ideas? > > > > In terms of physical symptoms I've got very little > facial > > or body hair, have > > suffered with depression and anxiety throughout my > adult > > life and also have a > > problem with fluctuating energy levels, something I'd > > previously identified as > > hypoglycemia. I'm pretty lazy and and directionless > > generally and often have > > other problems that I've recently read about > concerning low > > T levels, including > > 'brain fog'. Despite having a healthy diet and > being > > pretty skinny, I also > > recently got high scores in a colesterol test. I > spend a > > lot of time watching > > boxing and MMA as this seems to stimulate some kind of > T > > feeling... I've got a > > pretty low libido and very little spontaneous wood > although > > I love looking at > > porn in a effort to stimulate something... > > > > At this stage I'm not sure whether I'm just trying to > find > > a new explanation for > > feeling 'not quite right' or whether these results > acutally > > suggest something > > significant. A couple of doctors I've seen prior to > this > > endocrinologist said > > that these results are pretty normal and nothing to > worry > > about. I haven't been > > able to find anything on the web about this seemingly > > contradictory situation of > > high total and low free testosterone, and wonder > whether > > this situation would > > seem to qualify me for possible TRT or not. Does > anybody > > over there have any > > ideas!!!??? > > > > Dorr. > > > > > >    > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 When you see your Endo ask for the generic to Arimidex (Anastrozole). it is far less money. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Silva <windowdorr@...> > > > Subject: Low free high total > > > > > > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:33 AM > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've just stumbled upon this website and wonder > > whether > > > anybody has any idea > > > about my situation. I can't seem to use the > search > > engine > > > on the page to check > > > for any similar experiences so I'm gonna have to > run > > > through my own... I'm a 37 > > > year old man and recently got these results from > a > > blood > > > test - > > > > > > Total testosterone - 36.1 nmol/L (9.9 - 27.9) > > > Free testosterone - 3.78 pg/ml (3.84 - 34.17) > > > Estrogen - 151.6 pmol/L (28 - 156) > > > FSH - 3.4 U/L (1.5 - 12.4) > > > LH - 3.69 U/L (1.7 - 8.6) > > > Prolactin - 284 mU/L (98 - 456) > > > > > > These results seem to be on a different scale to > > others > > > that I have seen, but I > > > hope that they are still interpretable... > > > > > > I've seen an endocrinoligist about these results > but > >  he > > > was pretty unsure about > > > what they meant. He said he's going to try to > look > > into > > > it, but suggested that > > > there was probably nothing to be done about > it... > > Does > > > anybody else have > > > any ideas? > > > > > > In terms of physical symptoms I've got very > little > > facial > > > or body hair, have > > > suffered with depression and anxiety throughout > my > > adult > > > life and also have a > > > problem with fluctuating energy levels, something > I'd > > > previously identified as > > > hypoglycemia. I'm pretty lazy and and > directionless > > > generally and often have > > > other problems that I've recently read about > > concerning low > > > T levels, including > > > 'brain fog'. Despite having a healthy diet and > > being > > > pretty skinny, I also > > > recently got high scores in a colesterol test. > I > > spend a > > > lot of time watching > > > boxing and MMA as this seems to stimulate some > kind of > > T > > > feeling... I've got a > > > pretty low libido and very little spontaneous > wood > > although > > > I love looking at > > > porn in a effort to stimulate something... > > > > > > At this stage I'm not sure whether I'm just > trying to > > find > > > a new explanation for > > > feeling 'not quite right' or whether these > results > > acutally > > > suggest something > > > significant. A couple of doctors I've seen > prior to > > this > > > endocrinologist said > > > that these results are pretty normal and nothing > to > > worry > > > about. I haven't been > > > able to find anything on the web about this > seemingly > > > contradictory situation of > > > high total and low free testosterone, and wonder > > whether > > > this situation would > > > seem to qualify me for possible TRT or not. > Does > > anybody > > > over there have any > > > ideas!!!??? > > > > > > Dorr. > > > > > > > > >    > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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