Re: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

[Guest guest]

Yep we have gone over this she is on a very low does of Generic Synthroid like

90 mcgs and she cuts a 5 mcg pill of generic T3 into 1/4 of a pill and takes

this every 3 days go figure. Her last 4x's in a day Saliva Test was one of the

best I ever seen so it's not low Cortisol. She will go hyper very easy going up

on her meds yet she feels better with her hair being cold and her skin.

When she was on just Synthroid for 15 yrs seeing Endo's one after the other she

never felt better on this and from what we see now all she need was to add in

some T3 and very little.

She is taking Xanax to try and sleep still this dose not work for more then 3

hrs. It all started with her sleep after being put under for Knee Replacement

Surgery. Before this all she did was sleep.

Dr. M says things change in the brain with one goes under for Sugary. Her last

set of labs witch she will not show me anymore were better them mine.

I think when she was on old Armour she did great at 90 to 120 grains but then

after she had the surgery she started having problems the Armour was pulled.

She went on Generic T4 and T3 and says it works better.

I don't know but she is one Big Crab A**.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:52 PM

> This is obviously just my opinion,

> but I've found sleep to be affected if thyroid is too high

> (heartrate too fast), too low (lack of thyroid will not

> allow you to reach the deeper stages of sleep), estrogen too

> low, progesterone too low, cortisol too high (nightowl),

> cortisol too low (get up hungry with fast heartrate). 

> I have taken calcium/magnesium for YEARS, and have had

> intermittent periods when I couldn't sleep, so it's NOT the

> lack of cal/mag.  It's other hormones.  I believe

> when you last posted your wife's thyroid labs, I thought

> they were low. But she obviously cannot raise if there are

> other factors that are uncorrected.  Has she tried

> progesterone?  That literally knocks me out.

>

> Is she getting all the essential nutrients to make thyroid

> work? http://tiredthyroid.com/cofactors.html

>

> Barb

>

>

> >

> > I read this today told my wife about it she told me to

> mind my own business and dose not want to try taking

> calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> >

> > I am just sick of hearing her complain about not

> sleeping.  And because of this you can't live with

> her.  She flys off the handle at everyone not me I

> don't put up with it.  I must say being in all the pain

> I am in and not able to get around.  Living is hard

> enough let alone living with someone that you can't talk

> to.

> > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> >

> =====================================================================

> > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> >

> > In some cases, the thyroid becomes particularly

> inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr. Langer,

> author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness, refers to

> thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the thyroid. " He

> explains that just as arthritis attacks the joints with pain

> and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and inflammation

> in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in particular, during

> a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are anxiety, panic

> attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the thyroid area,

> problems swallowing, and frequently, problems sleeping.

> >

> > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in the middle

> of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be particularly

> troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> >

> > Dr. Langer suggests taking some calcium/magnesium,

> which are nutrients that have a sedative effect, along with

> a pain reliever to relieve inflammation -- buffered aspirin

> or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might help. He's

> found that this helps about two-thirds of his patients

> suffering from nighttime

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am going to break the 150 mcgs of T4 in half start on this with one gram of NP

Thyroid I am going back to taking my Temps 3x's / day and charting my avg. If I

go above 98.8 I know I am going hyper. I find doing this works every well for

me. As I go up on the NP I will cut back on the T4 but becuase on NTH meds I am

very low on T4 I will not stop using it much like your doing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:30 PM

> True hyper is when labs are over

> range. If she feels hyper but labs are on the low side,

> that's intolerance, usually low ferritin.

>

> Surgery will raise rT3, but it should come down on its own

> after awhile.  I had knee surgery in 2005, and that

> coincides with when I started crashing, but I was on 1.5

> grain Armour on the time, which showed me deficient in T4,

> and just a little low in T3.  T4/T3 = 57/13.5 I'm now

> combining 75 mcg T4 with Erfa and ratio is now about 118/10,

> huge difference!

>

> Phil, you might want to make a spreadsheet of the T4/T3

> ratios because you're switching from synthetic to NDT and

> that means your T4 will drop if not supplemented.  We

> already discussed how T4 is essential to brain health.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I read this today told my wife about it she

> told me to

> > > mind my own business and dose not want to try

> taking

> > > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > > >

> > > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about

> not

> > > sleeping.  And because of this you can't live

> with

> > > her.  She flys off the handle at everyone not me

> I

> > > don't put up with it.  I must say being in all

> the pain

> > > I am in and not able to get around.  Living is

> hard

> > > enough let alone living with someone that you

> can't talk

> > > to.

> > > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > > >

> > > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes

> particularly

> > > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr.

> Langer,

> > > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness,

> refers to

> > > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the

> thyroid. " He

> > > explains that just as arthritis attacks the

> joints with pain

> > > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and

> inflammation

> > > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in

> particular, during

> > > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are

> anxiety, panic

> > > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the

> thyroid area,

> > > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems

> sleeping.

> > > >

> > > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in

> the middle

> > > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be

> particularly

> > > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some

> calcium/magnesium,

> > > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect,

> along with

> > > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation --

> buffered aspirin

> > > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might

> help. He's

> > > found that this helps about two-thirds of his

> patients

> > > suffering from nighttime

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes I know about this I was on Prog. cream from Life-Flo 20 mgs / pump using it

at bedtime and I was sleeping like a baby. I had to stop using it it drove my

Preg. levels over the top of the range by 50 points. At the time I tested my

Prog. levels but all Quest labs did was my Preg. levels. this was 10 weeks ago

I did labs last Wed. and went back on Pregnenolone 15 mgs / pump. I can't take

pill it converts into Estradiol.

Funny thing about all this with my levels this high it drove down my Estradiol

so low I tested at 8 and was having bad Hot Flash's from the low levels.

If my next set of labs come back low for both Preg and Prog. my Dr. said I can

try using Preg., Prog. and 7 Keto all in one cream. What do you think about

doing this. I would need to do it every other day because the dose is higher.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Progesta-Care-Complete-Body-Cream-4-oz/1646\

8?at=0

I told my wife about this she thinks I am nuts for trying Preg. or Prog.

At one time I got her to talk to her female Dr. about her hormones and dam if

the Dr. did not put her on Hourse Urine again. After her stopping this over 20

yrs ago or when the big scare about it casuing cancer. This is what she gave

her and I told her stop seeing this Dr.

Provera/Medroxprogesterone Aceta 1 x's/day 2.5 mgs. and

Estrace/Gynodiol/Estradiol 1 x's/day .5 mgs.

I don't know what goes on in my wifes head but if I was up all night like she is

I would be trying every thing. I think she likes to complain about it and likes

to bait you into trying help her so she can tell you mind your own business and

stop playing Dr.

I posted about this to Dr. M and here is what he says.

====================================================

The question is: how does one keep hormone replacement therapy safe?

There is some risk of breast cancer with Estrogens and Progesterone.

There is a significant risk of blood clots and heart problems with the use of

Progestins ( artificial progesterones ).

Thus, how does one keep safe? How does one lower the risk?

When it comes to the risk of heart attacks and blood clots, clearly

(particularly since Provera + Estradiol = PremPro), the World Health

Organization's study showed the use of Provera increased the risk for both

problems.

As a result of this study, I prefer Estradiol alone to Estradiol + Provera.

I prefer Estrogen and Progesterone to Estradiol alone for the health benefits

and to reduce the risk of using Estradiol alone.

And I prefer Estradiol + Estriol to Estradiol or Premarin when it comes to

choosing an Estrogen.

When it comes to reproductive system cancers, such as breast cancer, there are

ways to reduce the risk.

Three modifiable factors which may reduce the risk for breast cancer while on

hormone replacement therapy are:

1. Adequate Iodine intake

2. Adequate Vitamin D intake.

3. Using Estradiol with Estriol (Bi-Est)

A good reference to iodine is Dr. Browntein's excellent book on iodine: Iodine -

Why you need it. http://www.drbrownstein.com/

Even if a woman is not on hormone replacement therapy, when iodine and vitamin D

are both low, the risk of developing breast cancer is significantly higher than

with adequate levels of both.

When it comes to adequate iodine levels, I agree with Dr. Brownstein, though I

don't advocate using 50 mg of iodine a day all the time.

__________________

-

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Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 9:45 AM

> Perhaps your wife could benefit

> greatly from progesterone? It is my sleep medicine and I

> can't get to / or stay asleep without it (taken orally,

> first pass thru liver causes drowsiness in 20 min or so)

> EL

>

>

> >

> > I read this today told my wife about it she told me to

> mind my own business and dose not want to try taking

> calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> >

> > I am just sick of hearing her complain about not

> sleeping.  And because of this you can't live with

> her.  She flys off the handle at everyone not me I

> don't put up with it.  I must say being in all the pain

> I am in and not able to get around.  Living is hard

> enough let alone living with someone that you can't talk

> to.

> > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> >

> =====================================================================

> > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> >

> > In some cases, the thyroid becomes particularly

> inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr. Langer,

> author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness, refers to

> thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the thyroid. " He

> explains that just as arthritis attacks the joints with pain

> and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and inflammation

> in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in particular, during

> a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are anxiety, panic

> attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the thyroid area,

> problems swallowing, and frequently, problems sleeping.

> >

> > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in the middle

> of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be particularly

> troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> >

> > Dr. Langer suggests taking some calcium/magnesium,

> which are nutrients that have a sedative effect, along with

> a pain reliever to relieve inflammation -- buffered aspirin

> or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might help. He's

> found that this helps about two-thirds of his patients

> suffering from nighttime

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, I'd suggest separate pregnenolone and progesterone creams so it's

easier to manage. If one is driving up estradiol, for example, how do you

deal with it if you're using a combo cream?

-Nigel

On 12 March 2011 09:05, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> If my next set of labs come back low for both Preg and Prog. my Dr. said I

> can try using Preg., Prog. and 7 Keto all in one cream. What do you think

> about doing this. I would need to do it every other day because the dose is

> higher.

>

>

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Progesta-Care-Complete-Body-Cream-4-oz/1646\

8?at=0

>

[Guest guest]

My fear was that it would drive up my E2 levels but it drove them down. I felt

my Preg. levels going down being off it for 10 weeks. And I could feel my E2

levels going up I was doing 12.5 mgs of Aromasin every 5 days but as time went

on being off Preg. I had to take it more offten. I am back on Preg. about a

week now and don't need Aromasin as much I am back to every 4 days now from

every other day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > If my next set of labs come back low for both Preg and

> Prog. my Dr. said I

> > can try using Preg., Prog. and 7 Keto all in one

> cream. What do you think

> > about doing this. I would need to do it every other

> day because the dose is

> > higher.

> >

> >

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Progesta-Care-Complete-Body-Cream-4-oz/1646\

8?at=0

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I seen your site the first thing I told her is she needs to read this. You

can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink it.

My Doughtier told me the other day Dr.'s in the ICU when I was in a coma told

her they think I had a stroke and she thinks I lost my mind.

This made me dam mad I talked to my Dr.'s and I have nothing in my chart saying

I had a stroke.

So after my Doughtier told me this I sit down with my wife for a heart to heart

talk and I could see I was wasting my time.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 12:37 PM

> Phil, maybe she would read my site

> cause it's written by a woman?  And there are journal

> references on the bottom if she doesn't believe what I have

> to say, so she could educate herself and make her own

> decision.

>

> http://tiredthyroid.com/womens-hormones.html

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I read this today told my wife about it she

> told me to

> > > mind my own business and dose not want to try

> taking

> > > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > > >

> > > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about

> not

> > > sleeping.  And because of this you can't live

> with

> > > her.  She flys off the handle at everyone not me

> I

> > > don't put up with it.  I must say being in all

> the pain

> > > I am in and not able to get around.  Living is

> hard

> > > enough let alone living with someone that you

> can't talk

> > > to.

> > > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > > >

> > > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes

> particularly

> > > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr.

> Langer,

> > > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness,

> refers to

> > > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the

> thyroid. " He

> > > explains that just as arthritis attacks the

> joints with pain

> > > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and

> inflammation

> > > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in

> particular, during

> > > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are

> anxiety, panic

> > > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the

> thyroid area,

> > > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems

> sleeping.

> > > >

> > > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in

> the middle

> > > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be

> particularly

> > > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some

> calcium/magnesium,

> > > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect,

> along with

> > > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation --

> buffered aspirin

> > > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might

> help. He's

> > > found that this helps about two-thirds of his

> patients

> > > suffering from nighttime

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks I needed that she could have a problem and ask a bum on the street how to

fix it and she would believe this bum over me. Now that hurts big time.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 1:36 PM

> I'm so sorry Phil.

>

> Hugs,

> Barb

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read this today told my wife

> about it she

> > > told me to

> > > > > mind my own business and dose not want

> to try

> > > taking

> > > > > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just sick of hearing her

> complain about

> > > not

> > > > > sleeping.  And because of this you

> can't live

> > > with

> > > > > her.  She flys off the handle at

> everyone not me

> > > I

> > > > > don't put up with it.  I must say

> being in all

> > > the pain

> > > > > I am in and not able to get around. 

> Living is

> > > hard

> > > > > enough let alone living with someone

> that you

> > > can't talk

> > > > > to.

> > > > > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some cases, the thyroid

> becomes

> > > particularly

> > > > > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis

> attack. Dr.

> > > Langer,

> > > > > author of the book Solved: The Riddle

> of Illness,

> > > refers to

> > > > > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of

> the

> > > thyroid. " He

> > > > > explains that just as arthritis attacks

> the

> > > joints with pain

> > > > > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean

> pain and

> > > inflammation

> > > > > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And

> in

> > > particular, during

> > > > > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms

> are

> > > anxiety, panic

> > > > > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling

> in the

> > > thyroid area,

> > > > > problems swallowing, and frequently,

> problems

> > > sleeping.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically

> happen in

> > > the middle

> > > > > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which

> can be

> > > particularly

> > > > > troublesome in terms of the ability to

> sleep.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some

> > > calcium/magnesium,

> > > > > which are nutrients that have a

> sedative effect,

> > > along with

> > > > > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation

> --

> > > buffered aspirin

> > > > > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed,

> this might

> > > help. He's

> > > > > found that this helps about two-thirds

> of his

> > > patients

> > > > > suffering from nighttime

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

....and do you think the panic attacks and stuff during this time you tried

the progesterone cream was from the Arimidex driving up aromatase

production? I guess you'll see if things are different on Aromasin if/when

you try the creams again.

Just wondering. Ever since we discussed how Arimidex could allow the body to

drive up aromatase production in reaction to the estradiol level going down,

I've been paying more attention to how anastrozole works for me. I think I'm

having tons of rebound issues with it and my solution has been to try more

DIM when the rebound is going on rather than messing with more anastrozole.

More just puts me too low and screws me up and it's not fun.

Phil, I wouldn't say I have much empathy, because I don't share your

experience, but I can definitely sympathise with what you're going through.

You're obviously ready and willing to assist and the offer is being

rejected. You probably feel like you just can't do anything right. Now that

I do share having dealings with my parents on their health issues. I just

get so frustrated trying to help them. But, if they aren't willing to change

things, I guess there's no use in saying anything. I keep my mouth shut on

things a lot more, like you say. Yeah, easier said than done..

-Nigel

On 12 March 2011 11:47, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> My fear was that it would drive up my E2 levels but it drove them down. I

> felt my Preg. levels going down being off it for 10 weeks. And I could feel

> my E2 levels going up I was doing 12.5 mgs of Aromasin every 5 days but as

> time went on being off Preg. I had to take it more offten. I am back on

> Preg. about a week now and don't need Aromasin as much I am back to every 4

> days now from every other day.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

From what I know about people with Panic problems many things that go wrong can

set it off. Some times when I am playing my Xbox 360 a hard part of the game

like a boss level I can start to feel Painc coming on and I will just shut it

off.

High or low E2 levels set it off even try to walk with this pain I am in we went

to the heart Dr. new office I had to walk more then I could handle and I had a

panic attack.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > My fear was that it would drive up my E2 levels but it

> drove them down. I

> > felt my Preg. levels going down being off it for 10

> weeks. And I could feel

> > my E2 levels going up I was doing 12.5 mgs of Aromasin

> every 5 days but as

> > time went on being off Preg. I had to take it more

> offten. I am back on

> > Preg. about a week now and don't need Aromasin as much

> I am back to every 4

> > days now from every other day.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am in a coffee club where the old mods from STTM hang out one of the women

there is Dr. Brownstein's patient she now works for him helps him with his books

he cured her breast cancer with Iodine. She told me she could get my wife into

see him but she would not have anything to do with it.

You know I think she dose this crap because she is nuts in the head.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 2:26 PM

> Sorry to hear she is closed about

> getting her hormones balanced ...if I didn't sleep I would

> not be pleasant either ..LOL! The doc who prescribed

> Premarin is not up to date and wanting to prescribe

> synthetic progesterone (Provera)is not the best choice for

> women

>

> ..a good place to start after testing is with a

> bio-identical such as a compounded progesterone or the

> micronized Prometrium from big pharma...the Prometrium only

> comes in 100mg/200mg so can be more difficult to manage if

> you need more or less..I don't know how you change your

> wife's mind until she is ready to help herself..since you

> live in MI, any chance she would see a doc in Dr.

> Brownstein's practice?

>

> ..from what I have read, the pregnenolone can be a wild

> card--changing into E or T in imprecise amounts..I would not

> be in favor of too much E for women only the minimum amount

> which produces symptom relief (which is why I went back to

> oral estradiol (Estrace which is bio-identical to begin the

> search for best dose for me and I am using 1/3 of a 1mg

> tablet currently for 0.3mg)..

>

> Thanks for Dr. M quote, I am going to look further into

> this: EL

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I read this today told my wife about it she

> told me to

> > > mind my own business and dose not want to try

> taking

> > > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > > >

> > > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about

> not

> > > sleeping.� And because of this you can't

> live with

> > > her.� She flys off the handle at everyone

> not me I

> > > don't put up with it.� I must say being in

> all the pain

> > > I am in and not able to get around.� Living

> is hard

> > > enough let alone living with someone that you

> can't talk

> > > to.

> > > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > > >

> > > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes

> particularly

> > > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr.

> Langer,

> > > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness,

> refers to

> > > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the

> thyroid. " He

> > > explains that just as arthritis attacks the

> joints with pain

> > > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and

> inflammation

> > > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in

> particular, during

> > > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are

> anxiety, panic

> > > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the

> thyroid area,

> > > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems

> sleeping.

> > > >

> > > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in

> the middle

> > > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be

> particularly

> > > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some

> calcium/magnesium,

> > > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect,

> along with

> > > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation --

> buffered aspirin

> > > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might

> help. He's

> > > found that this helps about two-thirds of his

> patients

> > > suffering from nighttime

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well it's not a go yet we were talking about it the last time I seen my Dr. I

will know more when I see him and go over my labs. I just got an Enews letter

from the spacedoc.com about his Statin Drug damage it don't look good for me.

It's looking like what I have is some kind of ALS.

http://www.spacedoc.net/rest_of_my_story.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 2:33 PM

> Phil, re: taking a product with 3

> different pro-hormones may be confusing because if you begin

> to have symptoms (or good stuff happening!) you won't know

> what to blame..LOL!. EL

>

> > If my next set of labs come back low for both Preg and

> Prog. my Dr. said I can try using Preg., Prog. and 7 Keto

> all in one cream.  What do you think about doing

> this.  I would need to do it every other day because

> the dose is higher.

> >

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Progesta-Care-Complete-Body-Cream-4-oz/1646\

8?at=0

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

She never had things like PMS but here mother was a crab now that I am thinking

about it but she treated me better then her own son.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

>

> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 8:50 PM

> I'm telling you that is true! without

> hormones in menopause I'd be in jail

>

> EL

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read this today told my wife

> about it she

> > > told me to

> > > > > mind my own business and dose not want

> to try

> > > taking

> > > > > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just sick of hearing her

> complain about

> > > not

> > > > > sleeping.� And because of this you

> can't

> > > live with

> > > > > her.� She flys off the handle at

> everyone

> > > not me I

> > > > > don't put up with it.� I must say

> being in

> > > all the pain

> > > > > I am in and not able to get

> around.� Living

> > > is hard

> > > > > enough let alone living with someone

> that you

> > > can't talk

> > > > > to.

> > > > > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some cases, the thyroid

> becomes

> > > particularly

> > > > > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis

> attack. Dr.

> > > Langer,

> > > > > author of the book Solved: The Riddle

> of Illness,

> > > refers to

> > > > > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of

> the

> > > thyroid. " He

> > > > > explains that just as arthritis attacks

> the

> > > joints with pain

> > > > > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean

> pain and

> > > inflammation

> > > > > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And

> in

> > > particular, during

> > > > > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms

> are

> > > anxiety, panic

> > > > > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling

> in the

> > > thyroid area,

> > > > > problems swallowing, and frequently,

> problems

> > > sleeping.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically

> happen in

> > > the middle

> > > > > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which

> can be

> > > particularly

> > > > > troublesome in terms of the ability to

> sleep.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some

> > > calcium/magnesium,

> > > > > which are nutrients that have a

> sedative effect,

> > > along with

> > > > > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation

> --

> > > buffered aspirin

> > > > > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed,

> this might

> > > help. He's

> > > > > found that this helps about two-thirds

> of his

> > > patients

> > > > > suffering from nighttime

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >