Re: Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks and Sleep.

[Guest guest]

This is obviously just my opinion, but I've found sleep to be affected if

thyroid is too high (heartrate too fast), too low (lack of thyroid will not

allow you to reach the deeper stages of sleep), estrogen too low, progesterone

too low, cortisol too high (nightowl), cortisol too low (get up hungry with fast

heartrate). I have taken calcium/magnesium for YEARS, and have had intermittent

periods when I couldn't sleep, so it's NOT the lack of cal/mag. It's other

hormones. I believe when you last posted your wife's thyroid labs, I thought

they were low. But she obviously cannot raise if there are other factors that

are uncorrected. Has she tried progesterone? That literally knocks me out.

Is she getting all the essential nutrients to make thyroid work?

http://tiredthyroid.com/cofactors.html

Barb

>

> I read this today told my wife about it she told me to mind my own business

and dose not want to try taking calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

>

> I am just sick of hearing her complain about not sleeping. And because of

this you can't live with her. She flys off the handle at everyone not me I

don't put up with it. I must say being in all the pain I am in and not able to

get around. Living is hard enough let alone living with someone that you can't

talk to.

> http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> =====================================================================

> Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

>

> In some cases, the thyroid becomes particularly inflamed, known as a

thyroiditis attack. Dr. Langer, author of the book Solved: The Riddle of

Illness, refers to thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the thyroid. " He

explains that just as arthritis attacks the joints with pain and inflammation,

thyroiditis can mean pain and inflammation in the thyroid for some sufferers.

And in particular, during a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are anxiety,

panic attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the thyroid area, problems

swallowing, and frequently, problems sleeping.

>

> " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in the middle of the night, " says Dr.

Langer, which can be particularly troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

>

> Dr. Langer suggests taking some calcium/magnesium, which are nutrients that

have a sedative effect, along with a pain reliever to relieve inflammation --

buffered aspirin or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might help. He's

found that this helps about two-thirds of his patients suffering from nighttime

>

[Guest guest]

True hyper is when labs are over range. If she feels hyper but labs are on the

low side, that's intolerance, usually low ferritin.

Surgery will raise rT3, but it should come down on its own after awhile. I had

knee surgery in 2005, and that coincides with when I started crashing, but I was

on 1.5 grain Armour on the time, which showed me deficient in T4, and just a

little low in T3. T4/T3 = 57/13.5 I'm now combining 75 mcg T4 with Erfa and

ratio is now about 118/10, huge difference!

Phil, you might want to make a spreadsheet of the T4/T3 ratios because you're

switching from synthetic to NDT and that means your T4 will drop if not

supplemented. We already discussed how T4 is essential to brain health.

Barb

> > >

> > > I read this today told my wife about it she told me to

> > mind my own business and dose not want to try taking

> > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > >

> > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about not

> > sleeping.  And because of this you can't live with

> > her.  She flys off the handle at everyone not me I

> > don't put up with it.  I must say being in all the pain

> > I am in and not able to get around.  Living is hard

> > enough let alone living with someone that you can't talk

> > to.

> > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > >

> > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes particularly

> > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr. Langer,

> > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness, refers to

> > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the thyroid. " He

> > explains that just as arthritis attacks the joints with pain

> > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and inflammation

> > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in particular, during

> > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are anxiety, panic

> > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the thyroid area,

> > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems sleeping.

> > >

> > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in the middle

> > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be particularly

> > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > >

> > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some calcium/magnesium,

> > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect, along with

> > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation -- buffered aspirin

> > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might help. He's

> > found that this helps about two-thirds of his patients

> > suffering from nighttime

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Perhaps your wife could benefit greatly from progesterone? It is my sleep

medicine and I can't get to / or stay asleep without it (taken orally, first

pass thru liver causes drowsiness in 20 min or so) EL

>

> I read this today told my wife about it she told me to mind my own business

and dose not want to try taking calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

>

> I am just sick of hearing her complain about not sleeping. And because of

this you can't live with her. She flys off the handle at everyone not me I

don't put up with it. I must say being in all the pain I am in and not able to

get around. Living is hard enough let alone living with someone that you can't

talk to.

> http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> =====================================================================

> Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

>

> In some cases, the thyroid becomes particularly inflamed, known as a

thyroiditis attack. Dr. Langer, author of the book Solved: The Riddle of

Illness, refers to thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the thyroid. " He

explains that just as arthritis attacks the joints with pain and inflammation,

thyroiditis can mean pain and inflammation in the thyroid for some sufferers.

And in particular, during a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are anxiety,

panic attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the thyroid area, problems

swallowing, and frequently, problems sleeping.

>

> " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in the middle of the night, " says Dr.

Langer, which can be particularly troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

>

> Dr. Langer suggests taking some calcium/magnesium, which are nutrients that

have a sedative effect, along with a pain reliever to relieve inflammation --

buffered aspirin or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might help. He's

found that this helps about two-thirds of his patients suffering from nighttime

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, maybe she would read my site cause it's written by a woman? And there are

journal references on the bottom if she doesn't believe what I have to say, so

she could educate herself and make her own decision.

http://tiredthyroid.com/womens-hormones.html

Barb

> > >

> > > I read this today told my wife about it she told me to

> > mind my own business and dose not want to try taking

> > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > >

> > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about not

> > sleeping.  And because of this you can't live with

> > her.  She flys off the handle at everyone not me I

> > don't put up with it.  I must say being in all the pain

> > I am in and not able to get around.  Living is hard

> > enough let alone living with someone that you can't talk

> > to.

> > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > >

> > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes particularly

> > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr. Langer,

> > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness, refers to

> > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the thyroid. " He

> > explains that just as arthritis attacks the joints with pain

> > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and inflammation

> > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in particular, during

> > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are anxiety, panic

> > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the thyroid area,

> > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems sleeping.

> > >

> > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in the middle

> > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be particularly

> > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > >

> > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some calcium/magnesium,

> > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect, along with

> > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation -- buffered aspirin

> > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might help. He's

> > found that this helps about two-thirds of his patients

> > suffering from nighttime

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry Phil.

Hugs,

Barb

> > > > >

> > > > > I read this today told my wife about it she

> > told me to

> > > > mind my own business and dose not want to try

> > taking

> > > > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about

> > not

> > > > sleeping.  And because of this you can't live

> > with

> > > > her.  She flys off the handle at everyone not me

> > I

> > > > don't put up with it.  I must say being in all

> > the pain

> > > > I am in and not able to get around.  Living is

> > hard

> > > > enough let alone living with someone that you

> > can't talk

> > > > to.

> > > > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > > > >

> > > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > > > >

> > > > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes

> > particularly

> > > > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr.

> > Langer,

> > > > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness,

> > refers to

> > > > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the

> > thyroid. " He

> > > > explains that just as arthritis attacks the

> > joints with pain

> > > > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and

> > inflammation

> > > > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in

> > particular, during

> > > > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are

> > anxiety, panic

> > > > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the

> > thyroid area,

> > > > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems

> > sleeping.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in

> > the middle

> > > > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be

> > particularly

> > > > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some

> > calcium/magnesium,

> > > > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect,

> > along with

> > > > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation --

> > buffered aspirin

> > > > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might

> > help. He's

> > > > found that this helps about two-thirds of his

> > patients

> > > > suffering from nighttime

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear she is closed about getting her hormones balanced ...if I didn't

sleep I would not be pleasant either ..LOL! The doc who prescribed Premarin is

not up to date and wanting to prescribe synthetic progesterone (Provera)is not

the best choice for women

...a good place to start after testing is with a bio-identical such as a

compounded progesterone or the micronized Prometrium from big pharma...the

Prometrium only comes in 100mg/200mg so can be more difficult to manage if you

need more or less..I don't know how you change your wife's mind until she is

ready to help herself..since you live in MI, any chance she would see a doc in

Dr. Brownstein's practice?

...from what I have read, the pregnenolone can be a wild card--changing into E or

T in imprecise amounts..I would not be in favor of too much E for women only the

minimum amount which produces symptom relief (which is why I went back to oral

estradiol (Estrace which is bio-identical to begin the search for best dose for

me and I am using 1/3 of a 1mg tablet currently for 0.3mg)..

Thanks for Dr. M quote, I am going to look further into this: EL

> > >

> > > I read this today told my wife about it she told me to

> > mind my own business and dose not want to try taking

> > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > >

> > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about not

> > sleeping.� And because of this you can't live with

> > her.� She flys off the handle at everyone not me I

> > don't put up with it.� I must say being in all the pain

> > I am in and not able to get around.� Living is hard

> > enough let alone living with someone that you can't talk

> > to.

> > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > >

> > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes particularly

> > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr. Langer,

> > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness, refers to

> > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the thyroid. " He

> > explains that just as arthritis attacks the joints with pain

> > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and inflammation

> > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in particular, during

> > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are anxiety, panic

> > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the thyroid area,

> > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems sleeping.

> > >

> > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in the middle

> > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be particularly

> > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > >

> > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some calcium/magnesium,

> > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect, along with

> > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation -- buffered aspirin

> > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might help. He's

> > found that this helps about two-thirds of his patients

> > suffering from nighttime

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil, re: taking a product with 3 different pro-hormones may be confusing

because if you begin to have symptoms (or good stuff happening!) you won't know

what to blame..LOL!. EL

> If my next set of labs come back low for both Preg and Prog. my Dr. said I can

try using Preg., Prog. and 7 Keto all in one cream. What do you think about

doing this. I would need to do it every other day because the dose is higher.

>

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Progesta-Care-Complete-Body-Cream-4-oz/1646\

8?at=0

[Guest guest]

I'm telling you that is true! without hormones in menopause I'd be in jail

EL

> > > > >

> > > > > I read this today told my wife about it she

> > told me to

> > > > mind my own business and dose not want to try

> > taking

> > > > calcium/magnesium at bedtime.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am just sick of hearing her complain about

> > not

> > > > sleeping.� And because of this you can't

> > live with

> > > > her.� She flys off the handle at everyone

> > not me I

> > > > don't put up with it.� I must say being in

> > all the pain

> > > > I am in and not able to get around.� Living

> > is hard

> > > > enough let alone living with someone that you

> > can't talk

> > > > to.

> > > > > http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo_2.htm

> > > > >

> > > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > > > Autoimmune Thyroiditis Atttacks

> > > > >

> > > > > In some cases, the thyroid becomes

> > particularly

> > > > inflamed, known as a thyroiditis attack. Dr.

> > Langer,

> > > > author of the book Solved: The Riddle of Illness,

> > refers to

> > > > thyroiditis as like an " arthritis of the

> > thyroid. " He

> > > > explains that just as arthritis attacks the

> > joints with pain

> > > > and inflammation, thyroiditis can mean pain and

> > inflammation

> > > > in the thyroid for some sufferers. And in

> > particular, during

> > > > a thyroiditis attack, common symptoms are

> > anxiety, panic

> > > > attacks, heart palpitations, swelling in the

> > thyroid area,

> > > > problems swallowing, and frequently, problems

> > sleeping.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Thyroiditis attacks classically happen in

> > the middle

> > > > of the night, " says Dr. Langer, which can be

> > particularly

> > > > troublesome in terms of the ability to sleep.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr. Langer suggests taking some

> > calcium/magnesium,

> > > > which are nutrients that have a sedative effect,

> > along with

> > > > a pain reliever to relieve inflammation --

> > buffered aspirin

> > > > or ibuprofen -- before you go to bed, this might

> > help. He's

> > > > found that this helps about two-thirds of his

> > patients

> > > > suffering from nighttime

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >