Re: I have a few questions about Test Injections

[Guest guest]

Hi carsisadam and Welcome,

To answer you questions:

First we don't do shots every 2 weeks this is very old and dose not work. Your

doing this big shot your levels will go very high in 3 days over 1500 then start

falling then by your next shot your low again. This puts you on a roller

coaster ride up after the shot only to fall very low by the next one. Good

Dr.'s that do treat a lot of men found this out a long time ago. But if your

read the box it says every 2 to 3 weeks if they change what is says they need

run more studies to prove it.

1.) Yes this big shot every 2 weeks can drive up your Estradiol levels and most

men on TRT need to keep track of this.

2.) The levels of T from your testis is not the same as from TRT when you first

do your shot your levels will shoot up very high then fall back. The gels even

do this when you first put on the gel your levels are very high for the first 4

to 6 hrs. The T from gels is stored just under your skin and feeds your blood

for about 4 to 6 hrs. So your body makes Estraidol to try to lower this higher

level of T. But not in all men.

3.) The ride for most men is very bad others can handle it. Today a lot of men

do shots 2x's / week or even every 3 days. They do there own shots and feel

more leveled and have less Estraiol conversion and it helps keep ones blood

thinner.

Bottom line here is you need to find what works best for you. But starting out

on shots every 2 weeks is not the best way to start. Do 100 mgs / week to start

run labs see how your levels come up best to get them up into the upper 1/3 of

your labs range or when you feel your best and keep your Estraidol down to about

20 pg/ml.

Most men on TRT use HCG to keep there Testis working and the LH cells. Going on

TRT your brain sees the added T and stops telling your Testis to make T by

slowing down sending LH and FSH the message from your brain that tells your

testis to make T.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

One of the top Dr.'s in the world for TRT we follow for TRT go to

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: carsisadam <no_reply >

> Subject: I have a few questions about Test Injections

>

> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 3:27 PM

> Hi, I am 30years old and found out

> that I have low bone density, especially in my spine. 

> I went to the doctor and found out that my testosterone is

> low (low 200s).  I went through a lot of tests,

> including an MRI, and we couldn't find out why my test is

> low for my age.

>

> I have been on Angrogel 5g for one month now. I just

> visited with my doctor and I am going to start taking

> injections every 2 weeks instead of the gel (gel cost me

> $95/mo. Injections cost $15/mo). 

> I think injections will be better for me anyways and I

> still had a few questions that my doc didn't get to fully

> answer (you know how you come up with stuff that you should

> have asked and forgot).  I was hoping to see if some

> experienced folks here could weigh in on the subject.

>

> 1.  I am worried that the concentrated dose that the

> injections gives you will also boost my estradiol levels (I

> really don't want to end up with gynocomastia).  My doc

> says that as long as your testosterone levels are in the

> normal range this won't happen.  Anyone hear about gyno

> happening even though test levels were in normal

> range?  (My doc didn't think it was necessary but I am

> going to get my estradiol checked with my test when I come

> back for re-visits)

>

> 2.  Speaking of which, whenever you read about the

> side effects of testosterone such as: acne, baldness,

> testicular shrinkage, trouble sleeping, ect… Why would any

> of that happen if you are able to attain a normal level of

> test?  What is the difference between someone with a

> natural level of 500 and someone on TRT with a level of

> 500?  Why would the person on TRT have the extra side

> effects with the same level of Test, for example?

>

> 3. For those who are taking bi-weekly injections: 

> What is the ride like?  Do you feel like it's too much

> in the first day and then feel like crap on the 14th

> day?  Or can you really tell a difference?

>

> Thanks for the replies!!!

> -Adam

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

> 1. I am worried that the concentrated dose that the injections gives you will

also boost my estradiol levels (I really don't want to end up with

gynocomastia). My doc says that as long as your testosterone levels are in the

normal range this won't happen. Anyone hear about gyno happening even though

test levels were in normal range? (My doc didn't think it was necessary but I

am going to get my estradiol checked with my test when I come back for

re-visits)

>

I have had a small amount of gyno under both gel and injections. Often men

getting TRT need some help getting Estradiol levels down. See what happens. If

they go high, there is help available. You can start a supplement like DIM or

pharmaceuticals.

> 2. Speaking of which, whenever you read about the side effects of

testosterone such as: acne, baldness, testicular shrinkage, trouble sleeping,

ect… Why would any of that happen if you are able to attain a normal level of

test? What is the difference between someone with a natural level of 500 and

someone on TRT with a level of 500? Why would the person on TRT have the extra

side effects with the same level of Test, for example?

>

Good question. acne and baldness (if you're genetically inclined) are all the

results of testosterone alone. That's why teens have acne and men lose their

hair. Trouble sleeping is mostly due to other issues like high Estradiol or T

levels that are way TOO high.

Testicular shrinkage is simple atrophy due to the fact that your testis are no

longer producing. Your pituitary sees a lot of T and reduces LH and FSH,

shutting down your testis. With being as young as you are, you might want to

consider your fertility. For me it was a non-issue. I hope your doc had that

chat with you. If not, you need to find another more competent one FAST.

> 3. For those who are taking bi-weekly injections: What is the ride like? Do

you feel like it's too much in the first day and then feel like crap on the 14th

day? Or can you really tell a difference?

>

bi-weekly: No good. Are you getting shots in office or self administering? If

self administering, see if your doc will provide you with a script for a

multi-dose vial. Then you can split it up to 2x / week. Just split the dose and

make sure the syringe is small enough to allow you to measure it out. You can

buy extra syringes online or w/o a script in some states.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the replies guys.

So I just got my Rx today. Testosterone cypionate 100g. 1ml every two weeks

(in a 10ml multidose vial).

Based on my research I may do one of three things.

1. Take 0.5ml once per week

2. Take 0.25ml twice per week

3. If the more multi dose the better, I just might get a small syringe and take

0.143 everyother day. But maybe that is poking myself too much. lol

My only concern is that my doctor only wanted me to start with 1ml every two

weeks. I am supposed to take the shot on monday and come back one week later to

see what my levels are. If I take the more frequent shots it will certainly

result in different values on the blood test and cause my doctor to interpret it

wrong. (If I don't tell her that I am going against her orders of every two

weeks.)

Yes, I am going to start shopping around for a good doc that speciallizes in TRT

in my area. But I have to deal with the doc that I have now for the time being.

What would you do?

>

>

>

>

> > 1. I am worried that the concentrated dose that the injections gives you

will also boost my estradiol levels (I really don't want to end up with

gynocomastia). My doc says that as long as your testosterone levels are in the

normal range this won't happen. Anyone hear about gyno happening even though

test levels were in normal range? (My doc didn't think it was necessary but I

am going to get my estradiol checked with my test when I come back for

re-visits)

> >

> I have had a small amount of gyno under both gel and injections. Often men

getting TRT need some help getting Estradiol levels down. See what happens. If

they go high, there is help available. You can start a supplement like DIM or

pharmaceuticals.

>

> > 2. Speaking of which, whenever you read about the side effects of

testosterone such as: acne, baldness, testicular shrinkage, trouble sleeping,

ect… Why would any of that happen if you are able to attain a normal level of

test? What is the difference between someone with a natural level of 500 and

someone on TRT with a level of 500? Why would the person on TRT have the extra

side effects with the same level of Test, for example?

> >

> Good question. acne and baldness (if you're genetically inclined) are all the

results of testosterone alone. That's why teens have acne and men lose their

hair. Trouble sleeping is mostly due to other issues like high Estradiol or T

levels that are way TOO high.

> Testicular shrinkage is simple atrophy due to the fact that your testis are no

longer producing. Your pituitary sees a lot of T and reduces LH and FSH,

shutting down your testis. With being as young as you are, you might want to

consider your fertility. For me it was a non-issue. I hope your doc had that

chat with you. If not, you need to find another more competent one FAST.

>

> > 3. For those who are taking bi-weekly injections: What is the ride like?

Do you feel like it's too much in the first day and then feel like crap on the

14th day? Or can you really tell a difference?

> >

>

> bi-weekly: No good. Are you getting shots in office or self administering?

If self administering, see if your doc will provide you with a script for a

multi-dose vial. Then you can split it up to 2x / week. Just split the dose and

make sure the syringe is small enough to allow you to measure it out. You can

buy extra syringes online or w/o a script in some states.

>

[Guest guest]

No don't do this with out telling your Dr. I will tell you this starting out

every 2 weeks will not kill you you might even do better. Is the vail or on the

box saying 200 mgs / ml if so your 1ml. shot every 2 weeks will be 200 mgs. Do

this shot like he said when you see him talk to him about doing your shot 100

mgs every weeks see how this works out for you if not then go to 2x's / week. I

says this because most Dr. give there men a 200 mg. jump start shot on the first

shot then do 100 mgs every week. So show your Dr. this link in it and it's old

dated it states to do shots every 7 to 10 days.

It's on page 11.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

All ways keep your Dr. in the loop on how your doing things.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: carsisadam <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: I have a few questions about Test Injections

>

> Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 3:52 PM

>

>

> Thanks for the replies guys.

>

> So I just got my Rx today.  Testosterone cypionate

> 100g.  1ml every two weeks (in a 10ml multidose

> vial). 

>

> Based on my research I may do one of three things.

> 1. Take 0.5ml once per week

> 2. Take 0.25ml twice per week

> 3. If the more multi dose the better, I just might get a

> small syringe and take 0.143 everyother day.  But maybe

> that is poking myself too much. lol

>

> My only concern is that my doctor only wanted me to start

> with 1ml every two weeks.  I am supposed to take the

> shot on monday and come back one week later to see what my

> levels are.  If I take the more frequent shots it will

> certainly result in different values on the blood test and

> cause my doctor to interpret it wrong. (If I don't tell her

> that I am going against her orders of every two

> weeks.) 

>

> Yes, I am going to start shopping around for a good doc

> that speciallizes in TRT in my area.  But I have to

> deal with the doc that I have now for the time being. 

> What would you do?

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > 1.  I am worried that the concentrated dose

> that the injections gives you will also boost my estradiol

> levels (I really don't want to end up with

> gynocomastia).  My doc says that as long as your

> testosterone levels are in the normal range this won't

> happen.  Anyone hear about gyno happening even though

> test levels were in normal range?  (My doc didn't think

> it was necessary but I am going to get my estradiol checked

> with my test when I come back for re-visits)

> > >

> > I have had a small amount of gyno under both gel and

> injections.  Often men getting TRT need some help

> getting Estradiol levels down.  See what happens. 

> If they go high, there is help available.  You can

> start a supplement like DIM or pharmaceuticals.

> >

> > > 2.  Speaking of which, whenever you read

> about the side effects of testosterone such as: acne,

> baldness, testicular shrinkage, trouble sleeping, ect… Why

> would any of that happen if you are able to attain a normal

> level of test?  What is the difference between someone

> with a natural level of 500 and someone on TRT with a level

> of 500?  Why would the person on TRT have the extra

> side effects with the same level of Test, for example?

> > >

> > Good question.  acne and baldness (if you're

> genetically inclined) are all the results of testosterone

> alone.  That's why teens have acne and men lose their

> hair.  Trouble sleeping is mostly due to other issues

> like high Estradiol or T levels that are way TOO high.

> > Testicular shrinkage is simple atrophy due to the fact

> that your testis are no longer producing.  Your

> pituitary sees a lot of T and reduces LH and FSH, shutting

> down your testis.  With being as young as you are, you

> might want to consider your fertility.  For me it was a

> non-issue.   I hope your doc had that chat

> with you.  If not, you need to find another more

> competent one FAST.

> >

> > > 3. For those who are taking bi-weekly

> injections:  What is the ride like?  Do you feel

> like it's too much in the first day and then feel like crap

> on the 14th day?  Or can you really tell a difference?

> > >

> >

> > bi-weekly: No good.  Are you getting shots in

> office or self administering?   If self

> administering, see if your doc will provide you with a

> script for a multi-dose vial.  Then you can split it up

> to 2x / week. Just split the dose and make sure the syringe

> is small enough to allow you to measure it out.  You

> can buy extra syringes online or w/o a script in some

> states.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Now that I see that your doc wants test in 2 wks.(I'm not sure that makes too

much sense), I'm going to agree with Phil - contrary to what I said earlier.

Go with every 2 weeks for now.

If she doesn't agree with 2x / week, and your labs look bad, you can change up

your schedule while you look for another doc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > 1.  I am worried that the concentrated dose

> > that the injections gives you will also boost my estradiol

> > levels (I really don't want to end up with

> > gynocomastia).  My doc says that as long as your

> > testosterone levels are in the normal range this won't

> > happen.  Anyone hear about gyno happening even though

> > test levels were in normal range?  (My doc didn't think

> > it was necessary but I am going to get my estradiol checked

> > with my test when I come back for re-visits)

> > > >

> > > I have had a small amount of gyno under both gel and

> > injections.  Often men getting TRT need some help

> > getting Estradiol levels down.  See what happens. 

> > If they go high, there is help available.  You can

> > start a supplement like DIM or pharmaceuticals.

> > >

> > > > 2.  Speaking of which, whenever you read

> > about the side effects of testosterone such as: acne,

> > baldness, testicular shrinkage, trouble sleeping, ect… Why

> > would any of that happen if you are able to attain a normal

> > level of test?  What is the difference between someone

> > with a natural level of 500 and someone on TRT with a level

> > of 500?  Why would the person on TRT have the extra

> > side effects with the same level of Test, for example?

> > > >

> > > Good question.  acne and baldness (if you're

> > genetically inclined) are all the results of testosterone

> > alone.  That's why teens have acne and men lose their

> > hair.  Trouble sleeping is mostly due to other issues

> > like high Estradiol or T levels that are way TOO high.

> > > Testicular shrinkage is simple atrophy due to the fact

> > that your testis are no longer producing.  Your

> > pituitary sees a lot of T and reduces LH and FSH, shutting

> > down your testis.  With being as young as you are, you

> > might want to consider your fertility.  For me it was a

> > non-issue.   I hope your doc had that chat

> > with you.  If not, you need to find another more

> > competent one FAST.

> > >

> > > > 3. For those who are taking bi-weekly

> > injections:  What is the ride like?  Do you feel

> > like it's too much in the first day and then feel like crap

> > on the 14th day?  Or can you really tell a difference?

> > > >

> > >

> > > bi-weekly: No good.  Are you getting shots in

> > office or self administering?   If self

> > administering, see if your doc will provide you with a

> > script for a multi-dose vial.  Then you can split it up

> > to 2x / week. Just split the dose and make sure the syringe

> > is small enough to allow you to measure it out.  You

> > can buy extra syringes online or w/o a script in some

> > states.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Or just go on your own if your doing you own shots she would not know the diff.

because if you do your labs the morning of your next shot but do labs first your

going to have good levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: I have a few questions about Test Injections

>

> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 11:50 AM

> Now that I see that your doc wants

> test in 2 wks.(I'm not sure that makes too much sense), I'm

> going to agree with Phil - contrary to what I said earlier.

>

> Go with every 2 weeks for now.

> If she doesn't agree with 2x / week, and your labs look

> bad, you can change up your schedule while you look for

> another doc. 

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 1.  I am worried that the

> concentrated dose

> > > that the injections gives you will also boost my

> estradiol

> > > levels (I really don't want to end up with

> > > gynocomastia).  My doc says that as long as

> your

> > > testosterone levels are in the normal range this

> won't

> > > happen.  Anyone hear about gyno happening even

> though

> > > test levels were in normal range?  (My doc

> didn't think

> > > it was necessary but I am going to get my

> estradiol checked

> > > with my test when I come back for re-visits)

> > > > >

> > > > I have had a small amount of gyno under both

> gel and

> > > injections.  Often men getting TRT need some

> help

> > > getting Estradiol levels down.  See what

> happens. 

> > > If they go high, there is help available.  You

> can

> > > start a supplement like DIM or pharmaceuticals.

> > > >

> > > > > 2.  Speaking of which, whenever you

> read

> > > about the side effects of testosterone such as:

> acne,

> > > baldness, testicular shrinkage, trouble sleeping,

> ect… Why

> > > would any of that happen if you are able to

> attain a normal

> > > level of test?  What is the difference between

> someone

> > > with a natural level of 500 and someone on TRT

> with a level

> > > of 500?  Why would the person on TRT have the

> extra

> > > side effects with the same level of Test, for

> example?

> > > > >

> > > > Good question.  acne and baldness (if

> you're

> > > genetically inclined) are all the results of

> testosterone

> > > alone.  That's why teens have acne and men

> lose their

> > > hair.  Trouble sleeping is mostly due to other

> issues

> > > like high Estradiol or T levels that are way TOO

> high.

> > > > Testicular shrinkage is simple atrophy due

> to the fact

> > > that your testis are no longer producing. 

> Your

> > > pituitary sees a lot of T and reduces LH and FSH,

> shutting

> > > down your testis.  With being as young as you

> are, you

> > > might want to consider your fertility.  For me

> it was a

> > > non-issue.   I hope your doc had that

> chat

> > > with you.  If not, you need to find another

> more

> > > competent one FAST.

> > > >

> > > > > 3. For those who are taking bi-weekly

> > > injections:  What is the ride like?  Do you

> feel

> > > like it's too much in the first day and then feel

> like crap

> > > on the 14th day?  Or can you really tell a

> difference?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > bi-weekly: No good.  Are you getting

> shots in

> > > office or self administering?   If self

> > > administering, see if your doc will provide you

> with a

> > > script for a multi-dose vial.  Then you can

> split it up

> > > to 2x / week. Just split the dose and make sure

> the syringe

> > > is small enough to allow you to measure it

> out.  You

> > > can buy extra syringes online or w/o a script in

> some

> > > states.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >