Re: Possible bad batch of T

[Guest guest]

Gee, I have been on Testosterone treatments now for about 8 years and never

heard of what you are saying. Mine comes in individual little vials, but

guess a batch could be bad. Damn, just something else to worry about! lol

Good luck!!

Bob

Dayton, Ohio

In a message dated 9/4/2010 5:27:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mikeydell25@... writes:

My doctor gave me my fourth shot of testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks

this past Monday, by Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the

touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On Thursday I received

a call from his office stating that I needed to talk to the doc. He told

me that several people had complained of similar symptoms and that he

believed he had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and said he

discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab for testing. He said that in

his 13 years of administering shots nothing like this has ever occurred.

I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100% yet.

Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after getting a shot and

if so what were the short/long term effects if any?

I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please excuse any

ignorance.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Are you sure about the dose 400 mcgs or mgs one is not enough the other is too

much. No never heard of this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> Subject: Possible bad batch of T

>

> Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by

> Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the

> touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On

> Thursday I received a call from his office stating that I

> needed to talk to the doc. He told me that several people

> had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he

> had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and

> said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab for

> testing. He said that in his 13 years of administering shots

> nothing like this has ever occurred.

>

> I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100%

> yet.

>

> Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> getting a shot and if so what were the short/long term

> effects if any?

>

>

> I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> excuse any ignorance.   

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Being a T neophyte I'm gonna go with mcgs, this MD starts everyone out with low

doses, my original dose was 300. There are a host of questions I'll be asking

when he get's back from his vacation!

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 5:31:04 PM

Subject: Re: Possible bad batch of T

Are you sure about the dose 400 mcgs or mgs one is not enough the other is too

much. No never heard of this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> Subject: Possible bad batch of T

>

> Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by

> Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the

> touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On

> Thursday I received a call from his office stating that I

> needed to talk to the doc. He told me that several people

> had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he

> had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and

> said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab for

> testing. He said that in his 13 years of administering shots

> nothing like this has ever occurred.

>

> I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100%

> yet.

>

> Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> getting a shot and if so what were the short/long term

> effects if any?

>

>

> I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> excuse any ignorance.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could you find out what brand it was?

>

> My doctor gave me my fourth shot of testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this

past Monday, by Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the touch

and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On Thursday I received a call

from his office stating that I needed to talk to the doc. He told me that

several people had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he had a

'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and said he discarded the

batch but sent a vial to a lab for testing. He said that in his 13 years of

administering shots nothing like this has ever occurred.

>

> I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100% yet.

>

> Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after getting a shot and if so

what were the short/long term effects if any?

>

>

> I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please excuse any ignorance.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

300 mcgs is such a small dose I doubt it could even be measured in a syringe

even if it was extremely concentrated.It would have no effect on you.Somewhere

there was some miscommuncation about the dosing.Phil

>

> > From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> > Subject: Possible bad batch of T

> >

> > Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by

> > Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the

> > touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On

> > Thursday I received a call from his office stating that I

> > needed to talk to the doc. He told me that several people

> > had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he

> > had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and

> > said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab for

> > testing. He said that in his 13 years of administering shots

> > nothing like this has ever occurred.

> >

> > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100%

> > yet.

> >

> > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long term

> > effects if any?

> >

> >

> > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> > excuse any ignorance.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OK Mike this is all new to you Testosterone shots don't come in mcg's they are

in mgs. And your shot is huge 400 mgs does he do this every 3 or 4 weeks if so

this is very old and Dr.'s that keep up about treating this don't do them big

shots every 2 to 4 weeks any more.

In this link to the AACE Guidelines it states to do shots every 7 to 10 days.

What happens doing shots this big is most of it will peak in 4 days and your

levels can go over 2,500 on labs then your doing to start falling back by your

next shot your very low and this is when we feel bad when levels go to low. So

your on a roller coaster ride up after the shot only to fall very low by the

next one.

Also most of this shot will convert into Estradiol high levels of Estradiol make

your SHBG go very high and this binds up your Free Testosterone and you don't

feel good. High Estradiol will also kill your sex life and make you feel

anxiety even some men have Panic Attacks. So test this you need to be at about

20 pg/ml. And some men on high dose like this end up with a thicker blood so

test this also doing a CBC.

Most of us do are own shots and we start at 100 mgs every week. Ask your Dr. to

show you how to do this and do your shots into your thigh. Get a vial of

200mgs/ml of Test C and use a 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle and do your own shots.

Also add in some HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each before your weekly Test C shot

this will keep your testis working so they don't get small.

In this link is a lot of good info about doing TRT it's for women becoming men

but still dam good info read it.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html#cypionate

We have a links and files section at the home page on the left. It's full of

info you need to read the more you learn about this the better off your going to

be when you see your Dr. hear is one good link.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

This one is on doing shots.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Go to Dr. 's site and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update he

is one of the best Dr.'s for low T out there and he puts this on his site free

for you and your Dr.

www.allthingsmale.com

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> > Subject: Possible bad batch of T

> >

> > Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday,

> by

> > Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to

> the

> > touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit.

> On

> > Thursday I received a call from his office stating

> that I

> > needed to talk to the doc. He told me that several

> people

> > had complained of similar symptoms and that he

> believed he

> > had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed

> Cipro and

> > said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab

> for

> > testing. He said that in his 13 years of administering

> shots

> > nothing like this has ever occurred.

> >

> > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not

> 100%

> > yet.

> >

> > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long

> term

> > effects if any?

> >

> >

> > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> > excuse any ignorance.   

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Most fair size towns have at least one compunding pharmacy.They usually mix up a

batch once a week.There would be no shortage that way and you can get fresher

testosterone.Any problems and you can address the actual person who compounded

it.No additional cost and I feel better injecting something who I personally

know made it.The hcg from india that I use, kind of worries me.Easy to

contaminate with no accountability. Phil

>

> My doctor gave me my fourth shot of testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this

past Monday, by Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the touch

and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On Thursday I received a call

from his office stating that I needed to talk to the doc. He told me that

several people had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he had a

'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and said he discarded the

batch but sent a vial to a lab for testing. He said that in his 13 years of

administering shots nothing like this has ever occurred.

>

> I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100% yet.

>

> Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after getting a shot and if so

what were the short/long term effects if any?

>

>

> I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please excuse any ignorance.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible that it's CC's? That would be my only other guess. 300cc's the

first shot and 400cc's for the last 3 subsequent shots.

________________________________

From: phil <phildude43@...>

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 10:16:05 AM

Subject: Re: Possible bad batch of T

300 mcgs is such a small dose I doubt it could even be measured in a syringe

even if it was extremely concentrated.It would have no effect on you.Somewhere

there was some miscommuncation about the dosing.Phil

>

> > From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> > Subject: Possible bad batch of T

> >

> > Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by

> > Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the

> > touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On

> > Thursday I received a call from his office stating that I

> > needed to talk to the doc. He told me that several people

> > had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he

> > had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and

> > said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab for

> > testing. He said that in his 13 years of administering shots

> > nothing like this has ever occurred.

> >

> > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100%

> > yet.

> >

> > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long term

> > effects if any?

> >

> >

> > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> > excuse any ignorance.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No CC are the same as ML's most Testosterone shots come in a vial that has

200mgs./ml. So 400cc would 80,000 mgs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Mike L. <mikeydell25@...>

> Subject: Re: Possible bad batch of T

>

> Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:45 AM

> Is it possible that it's CC's? That

> would be my only other guess. 300cc's the

> first shot and 400cc's for the last 3 subsequent shots.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 10:16:05 AM

> Subject: Re: Possible bad batch of T

>

>  

> 300 mcgs is such a small dose I doubt it could even be

> measured in a syringe

> even if it was extremely concentrated.It would have no

> effect on you.Somewhere

> there was some miscommuncation about the dosing.Phil

>

>

> >

> > > From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> > > Subject: Possible bad batch of T

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> > > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > > testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past

> Monday, by

> > > Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful

> to the

> > > touch and it was very difficult to walk or even

> sit. On

> > > Thursday I received a call from his office

> stating that I

> > > needed to talk to the doc. He told me that

> several people

> > > had complained of similar symptoms and that he

> believed he

> > > had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed

> Cipro and

> > > said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a

> lab for

> > > testing. He said that in his 13 years of

> administering shots

> > > nothing like this has ever occurred.

> > >

> > > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but

> not 100%

> > > yet.

> > >

> > > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events

> after

> > > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long

> term

> > > effects if any?

> > >

> > >

> > > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so

> please

> > > excuse any ignorance.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I just got a 10ml vial of test cypionate (Paddock) from my compounding pharmacy

in NJ - picked it up on 8/27 - at 50mgs 2x/wk I'm good to go for a few months

> > >

> > > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of testosterone

> > (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by Wednesday my

> > left buttock was warm, very painful to the touch and it was

> > very difficult to walk or even sit. On Thursday I received a

> > call from his office stating that I needed to talk to the

> > doc. He told me that several people had complained of

> > similar symptoms and that he believed he had a 'bad 'batch'

> > of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and said he discarded

> > the batch but sent a vial to a lab for testing. He said that

> > in his 13 years of administering shots nothing like this has

> > ever occurred.

> > >

> > > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not

> > 100% yet.

> > >

> > > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long term

> > effects if any?

> > >

> > >

> > > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> > excuse any ignorance.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >    

> >         

> >           

> >  

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Why not load up a slin pin with the entire 1ml - inject .5ml and then transfer

the remainder to another slin pin?

> > > > >

> > > > > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > testosterone

> > > > (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by

> > Wednesday my

> > > > left buttock was warm, very painful to the touch

> > and it was

> > > > very difficult to walk or even sit. On Thursday I

> > received a

> > > > call from his office stating that I needed to

> > talk to the

> > > > doc. He told me that several people had

> > complained of

> > > > similar symptoms and that he believed he had a

> > 'bad 'batch'

> > > > of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and said he

> > discarded

> > > > the batch but sent a vial to a lab for testing.

> > He said that

> > > > in his 13 years of administering shots nothing

> > like this has

> > > > ever occurred.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday,

> > but not

> > > > 100% yet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone here ever experienced similar

> > events after

> > > > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long

> > term

> > > > effects if any?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy

> > so please

> > > > excuse any ignorance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >     

> > > >         

> > > >           

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

It is fairly common for a doctor to start one out on a 300 mg shot of

test every three weeks. That works out to 100 mg a week. The downside of

this course of action is that your test levels will be high right after

your injection but by the end of three weeks your test levels will be

rather low.

My doctor started me out this way after I switched to Test Cypionate

from Androgel. I didn't really feel the highs and lows too much.

However, after a few injections, I asked the doctor to let me inject

myself at home. Now I inject every three and a half days. This seems to

be working out really well for me.

>

> > From: mikeydell25 mikeydell25@...

> > Subject: Possible bad batch of T

> >

> > Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by

> > Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the

> > touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On

> > Thursday I received a call from his office stating that I

> > needed to talk to the doc. He told me that several people

> > had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he

> > had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and

> > said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab for

> > testing. He said that in his 13 years of administering shots

> > nothing like this has ever occurred.

> >

> > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100%

> > yet.

> >

> > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long term

> > effects if any?

> >

> >

> > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> > excuse any ignorance.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, here it is Tuesday, 9/7 and I'm alive and still kicking - both literally

and figuratively! The leg muscles are loose and feel normal, my walking is

99.9%, and my butt soreness is about a 0.5 on a pain scale from 1 to 10. Oh,

this saga ain't over yet...not by a long shot! I'll keep the board posted on any

new developments.

________________________________

From: phil <phildude43@...>

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 10:16:05 AM

Subject: Re: Possible bad batch of T

300 mcgs is such a small dose I doubt it could even be measured in a syringe

even if it was extremely concentrated.It would have no effect on you.Somewhere

there was some miscommuncation about the dosing.Phil

>

> > From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> > Subject: Possible bad batch of T

> >

> > Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past Monday, by

> > Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful to the

> > touch and it was very difficult to walk or even sit. On

> > Thursday I received a call from his office stating that I

> > needed to talk to the doc. He told me that several people

> > had complained of similar symptoms and that he believed he

> > had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed Cipro and

> > said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a lab for

> > testing. He said that in his 13 years of administering shots

> > nothing like this has ever occurred.

> >

> > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but not 100%

> > yet.

> >

> > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events after

> > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long term

> > effects if any?

> >

> >

> > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so please

> > excuse any ignorance.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Good News my legs are only a little better what did you do. The longer I have

this problem the more I feel it was them statin drugs that did this to me. I

have not getten the CoQ10 in the mail if this is low I wonder if it will help.

I am reading a forum about this and most of the people with this problem felt

better off the statins a week or two I have been off them 8 weeks. But if my

CoQ10 is low will that cause leg pain I need to read up on this more.

I found this by Dr. Briffa.

====================================================

It is my experience that the cholesterol-reducing drugs known as ‘statins’

have been vigorously embraced by the medical profession as a largely safe and

effective preventive for cardiovascular disease. Yes, the best available

evidence we have is that this class of drugs have somewhat limited

effectiveness. I wrote about this earlier this year.

Another side to statins, of course, is that they are not without risk. In

particular, they have the capacity to deplete the body of a nutrient known as

‘coenzyme Q10′. Low levels of this substance in the body can lead to various

symptoms which include fatigue and muscular pain.

Below, I have added in a piece which explore the issue of statin-induced coezyme

Q10 (CoQ10) depletion in more depth.

Recently, researchers in New York, USA, tested the effect of CoQ10

supplementation in a group of 32 individuals taking statins who were

experiencing muscular symptoms such as muscle pain [1].

Half the group was treated with CoQ10 at a dose of 100 mg per day, while the

other half received vitamin E (400 IU per day) which might be regarded as a

‘placebo’ in this study.

After 30 days, those taking the CoQ10 saw a 40 per cent decrease in muscle pain

severity and a similar drop in the extent to which this pain affected their

daily lives. In contrast, the taking of vitamin E did not lead to any

significant changes in symptoms.

What this study shows is that CoQ10 supplementation may be of real benefit for

individuals suffering from the side-effects of statins. My advice is that if

someone is taking or planning to take a statin drug, is that they should at

least accompany it with some CoQ10.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Mike L. <mikeydell25@...>

> Subject: Re: Possible bad batch of T

>

> Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 1:09 PM

> Well, here it is Tuesday, 9/7 and I'm

> alive and still kicking - both literally

> and figuratively! The leg muscles are loose and feel

> normal, my walking is

> 99.9%, and my butt soreness is about a 0.5 on a pain scale

> from 1 to 10. Oh,

> this saga ain't over yet...not by a long shot! I'll keep

> the board posted on any

> new developments.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 10:16:05 AM

> Subject: Re: Possible bad batch of T

>

>  

> 300 mcgs is such a small dose I doubt it could even be

> measured in a syringe

> even if it was extremely concentrated.It would have no

> effect on you.Somewhere

> there was some miscommuncation about the dosing.Phil

>

>

> >

> > > From: mikeydell25 <mikeydell25@...>

> > > Subject: Possible bad batch of T

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 3:45 PM

> > > My doctor gave me my fourth shot of

> > > testosterone (400mcgs(?) in 12 weeks this past

> Monday, by

> > > Wednesday my left buttock was warm, very painful

> to the

> > > touch and it was very difficult to walk or even

> sit. On

> > > Thursday I received a call from his office

> stating that I

> > > needed to talk to the doc. He told me that

> several people

> > > had complained of similar symptoms and that he

> believed he

> > > had a 'bad 'batch' of testosterone. He prescribed

> Cipro and

> > > said he discarded the batch but sent a vial to a

> lab for

> > > testing. He said that in his 13 years of

> administering shots

> > > nothing like this has ever occurred.

> > >

> > > I'm feeling slightly better today, Saturday, but

> not 100%

> > > yet.

> > >

> > > Has anyone here ever experienced similar events

> after

> > > getting a shot and if so what were the short/long

> term

> > > effects if any?

> > >

> > >

> > > I am relatively new to testosterone therapy so

> please

> > > excuse any ignorance.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >