Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone symptoms on my own with Clomid...

[Guest guest]

http://www.ergo-log.com/clomidendur.html

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results. According

to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels converge

to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms, that is

not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

>

> I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of sleep),

low libido, low potency, etc.

>

> Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron

overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I have

ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

>

> That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

>

> After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25 mg of

Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating LH

and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

>

> Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but can`t

afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

test out this SERM treatment on my own.

>

> What are your guys opinion on this?

>

> Is there any risk associated with this?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> ny

>

[Guest guest]

From what I know about taking Clomid it's not good for long term TRT. The sides

can be very bad eye floaters and feeling like crying at sad movies. You would

be better off trying HCG. Do 100 IU's everyday if your testis work your T

levels will go up.

Maybe someone here knows of a Dr. you can see.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@...>

> Subject: I am considering treating my low testosterone symptoms

on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 1:11 PM

> Hello everyone,

>

> I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test

> results. According to Norwegian reference ranges I am

> normal, but my testosterone levels converge to the bottom of

> the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms, that is

> not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

>

> I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep

> (need lots of sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

>

> Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly

> sure I had iron overload, but after following up this and

> talking to several experts, I have ruled out this one for

> now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but it

> could have been random that it was elevated. An American

> expert still believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave

> it for now. Basically, I have fairly elevated and rising

> ferritin which gives reason to suspect hemachromatosis, but

> other test results does not confirm the condition.

>

> That brings me back to treating my low testosterone

> symptoms directly.

>

> After some reading and talking to a few people, I have

> learned that 25 mg of Clomid per day can help the body to

> produce more testosterone by elevating LH and FSH levels

> (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

> anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give

> permanent results.

>

> Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the

> US, but can`t afford it right now) will probably be able to

> help me, I am now considering to test out this SERM

> treatment on my own.

>

> What are your guys opinion on this?

>

> Is there any risk associated with this?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> ny

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> From what I know about taking Clomid it's not good for long term TRT. The

sides can be very bad eye floaters and feeling like crying at sad movies. You

would be better off trying HCG. Do 100 IU's everyday if your testis work your T

levels will go up.

>

> Maybe someone here knows of a Dr. you can see.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Hey Phil, how are you? I remember you from when I first posted here. I believe

you just had went through surgery?

You may be right about Clomid not being good for long term TRT (although there

are reports of guys who have experienced permanently elevated levels), but the

side effects you report are probably linked to high doses of clomiphene.

I will post a study below which used 25 mg per day, which is far less than what

many people have used in the past.

Clomiphene Citrate Effects on Testosterone/Estrogen Ratio in Male Hypogonadism

J Sex Med 2005;2:716–721.

ABSTRACT

Aim. Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline

in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine

changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body

mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous

testostosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation,

gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm

counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the

treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum

testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio.

Methods. Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as

serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a

daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of

baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were

performed.

Results. The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and

estrogen levels were 247.6 ± 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 ± 10.9, respectively. By the

first follow-up visit (4–6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to

610.0 ± 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to

14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients.

Conclusions. Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum

testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estadiol ratio in men with

hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by

stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway.

[Guest guest]

I been in the exact same situation for the last 4 years trying to get TRT. I

went to an anti-aging dr 1 year ago and he did a genetic blood test for heamo i

suggest you get this too cause you probably have it. I been treat for that he

also put me on arimidex i took that for 6 months got bloods done and nothing

happened to my testosterone levels he now put me on test cream took that for 1

months got bloods done and still nothing we have now increased the test cream

dose by 4 times. I will get bloods done but quite certain they wouldnt have

changed much, I told him i wanna go the IM route he said last time he prescribed

that he got the TGA (therapeutic good admin)(it's an Australian department)

calling him saying wtf..

I told him i would just self medicate with my gym buddies homebrew testosterone

enth then as a last resort (i wish i had done this from the begining, wasted

thousands of dollars and time on this)

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results. According

to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels converge

to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms, that is

not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

>

> I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of sleep),

low libido, low potency, etc.

>

> Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron

overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I have

ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

>

> That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

>

> After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25 mg of

Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating LH

and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

>

> Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but can`t

afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

test out this SERM treatment on my own.

>

> What are your guys opinion on this?

>

> Is there any risk associated with this?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> ny

>

[Guest guest]

I been in the exact same situation for the last 4 years trying to get TRT. I

went to an anti-aging dr 1 year ago and he did a genetic blood test for heamo i

suggest you get this too cause you probably have it. I been treat for that he

also put me on arimidex i took that for 6 months got bloods done and nothing

happened to my testosterone levels he now put me on test cream took that for 1

months got bloods done and still nothing we have now increased the test cream

dose by 4 times. I will get bloods done but quite certain they wouldnt have

changed much, I told him i wanna go the IM route he said last time he prescribed

that he got the TGA (therapeutic good admin)(it's an Australian department)

calling him saying wtf..

I told him i would just self medicate with my gym buddies homebrew testosterone

enth then as a last resort (i wish i had done this from the begining, wasted

thousands of dollars and time on this)

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results. According

to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels converge

to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms, that is

not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

>

> I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of sleep),

low libido, low potency, etc.

>

> Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron

overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I have

ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

>

> That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

>

> After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25 mg of

Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating LH

and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

>

> Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but can`t

afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

test out this SERM treatment on my own.

>

> What are your guys opinion on this?

>

> Is there any risk associated with this?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> ny

>

[Guest guest]

Regarding use of Clomid as a means of stimulating the testes to produce

testosterone, my doctor has me using it between cycles of testosterone gel. My

regular total test level is about 270 (I'm 53). I did Clomid for a month one

time a year ago as an experiment and it got me to about 380. On test gel I am

about 550.

The bottom line is that Clomid alone does work (for me anyway) but my doctor

won't let me use it long term. It's just as well, though, as with the test gel,

I have higher test levels and using Clomid for two weeks between eight week

cycles I have the satisfaction of feeling my testicles doing their own thing. W

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my

> > test results. According to Norwegian reference ranges I am

> > normal, but my testosterone levels converge to the bottom of

> > the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms, that is

> > not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

> > >

> > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed

> > sleep (need lots of sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

> > >

> > > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was

> > fairly sure I had iron overload, but after following up this

> > and talking to several experts, I have ruled out this one

> > for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

> > it could have been random that it was elevated. An American

> > expert still believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave

> > it for now. Basically, I have fairly elevated and rising

> > ferritin which gives reason to suspect hemachromatosis, but

> > other test results does not confirm the condition.

> > >

> > > That brings me back to treating my low testosterone

> > symptoms directly.

> > >

> > > After some reading and talking to a few people, I have

> > learned that 25 mg of Clomid per day can help the body to

> > produce more testosterone by elevating LH and FSH levels

> > (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

> > anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give

> > permanent results.

> > >

> > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to

> > the US, but can`t afford it right now) will probably be able

> > to help me, I am now considering to test out this SERM

> > treatment on my own.

> > >

> > > What are your guys opinion on this?

> > >

> > > Is there any risk associated with this?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > > ny

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tried PM'ing her and got no reply.

[Guest guest]

Howdy Phil & Duffman,

Just caught this post & checked my RTH PM's.

Sorry didn't see it or maybe I did then forgot?

Been a little scattered lately with Hubby off work & Twins attending Uni.

Anyway to the OP as I am in Perth and only know of some Docs locally I have

forwarded your request to Oz the moderator of Aussie RTH Subforum. She

may be able to help as she does keep details of Docs Australia wide that

previous members have found helpful.

Regards Lethal Lee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Check out this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19694928

Clomiphene proved more effective and cheaper with less side-effects compared to

TRT.

I don`t know why Clomiphene as treatment is less known than TRT. Perhaps because

it is cheaper and that means less profit?

> You can get the same results using HCG and you can buy it from ADC. Do 250

IU's in a shot the 2 days each before your next T shot. Doing this will keep

your testis working all the time. Clomid is not good to take for TRT it was not

tested for this.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

I have read several studies that concluded with zero side-effects.

The side-effects you mention are as far as I have learned dose-related and I`m

sure they do appear with higher doses, but by using 25 mg or less per day it

should not be an issue.

I believe that traditional TRT is not without side-effects either.

>

> > From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@...>

> > Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

> >

> > Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 7:38 AM

> > Check out this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19694928

> >

> > Clomiphene proved more effective and cheaper with less

> > side-effects compared to TRT.

> >

> > I don`t know why Clomiphene as treatment is less known than

> > TRT. Perhaps because it is cheaper and that means less

> > profit?

> >

> > > You can get the same results using HCG and you can buy

> > it from ADC.  Do 250 IU's in a shot the 2 days each

> > before your next T shot.  Doing this will keep your

> > testis working all the time.  Clomid is not good to

> > take for TRT it was not tested for this.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Could you refresh my memory on what your estradiol level was?

As I understand it, Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in the brain which are

part of the feedback mechanism for T production. It turns out that the blood

level of E2 is a bigger influence on that feedback than even T itself. So if

you block the E2 receptors, then the brain will increase the output of FSH, etc,

to ramp up production in the testicles.

The problem with this is that the E2 level is not actually lowered, and in fact

may be further increased as more T is aromatized into even more E2. That could

lead to adverse effects, such as gynecomastia, in tissues not affected by

Clomid.

An alternative, if your E2 level is high, is to take an aromatase inhibitor such

as Armidex to actually lower the level of E2 to a normal level, and the brain

will then react in the same way as with Clomid. In theory there should be fewer

risks of side effects this way, provided you don't take E2 too low, which could

cause major problems.

Of course if your E2 is already at a normal level, this wouldn't work, but if

it's high, you could easily increase your T level by 50% or more just by getting

E2 into the proper range.

I've just always heard that taking Clomid long term was a bad idea, but I have

no evidence for that.

Concerning ferritin, I assume you have undertaken a program of blood donation

every 6 weeks or so to get the level down. You can do that whether you have

hemochromatosis or not. Do well by doing good.

Well good luck with whatever you do. Keep us posted.

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results. According

to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels converge

to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms, that is

not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

>

> I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of sleep),

low libido, low potency, etc.

>

> Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron

overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I have

ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

>

> That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

>

> After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25 mg of

Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating LH

and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

>

> Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but can`t

afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

test out this SERM treatment on my own.

>

> What are your guys opinion on this?

>

> Is there any risk associated with this?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> ny

>

[Guest guest]

Androxal I`m aware.

I have now ordered Clomiphene so I will start a trial treatment on my own. We`ll

see what happens

> > >

> > > > From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@>

> > > > Subject: Re: I am considering

> > treating my low testosterone symptoms on my own with

> > Clomid...

> > > >

> > > > Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 7:38 AM

> > > > Check out this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19694928

> > > >

> > > > Clomiphene proved more effective and cheaper with

> > less

> > > > side-effects compared to TRT.

> > > >

> > > > I don`t know why Clomiphene as treatment is less

> > known than

> > > > TRT. Perhaps because it is cheaper and that means

> > less

> > > > profit?

> > > >

> > > > > You can get the same results using HCG and

> > you can buy

> > > > it from ADC.  Do 250 IU's in a shot the 2 days

> > each

> > > > before your next T shot.  Doing this will keep

> > your

> > > > testis working all the time.  Clomid is not good

> > to

> > > > take for TRT it was not tested for this.

> > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hey Bill,

I`m not sure if I understand what you are asking with regards to other metrics

associated with hypogonadism.

Clomiphene is not toxic, so I believe it is fairly safe for the liver.

Regards,

ny

>

> The results on the effect of T levels are encouraging.  However, I'm curious

> what about other metrics commonly associated with hypogonadism are showing? 

> WHat does this med do to the liver?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 4:38:34 AM

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

> symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

>  

> Check out this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19694928

>

> Clomiphene proved more effective and cheaper with less side-effects compared

to

> TRT.

>

> I don`t know why Clomiphene as treatment is less known than TRT. Perhaps

because

> it is cheaper and that means less profit?

>

> > You can get the same results using HCG and you can buy it from ADC. Do 250

IU's

> >in a shot the 2 days each before your next T shot. Doing this will keep your

> >testis working all the time. Clomid is not good to take for TRT it was not

> >tested for this.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello wayback,

My estradiol levels: < 0.07 pg/mL.

This is not too high, no?

From what I`ve gathered, Clomiphene does increase E2 levels, but overall the

testosterone/estradiol ratio is improved.

With regards to blood donation, I can only give every 10 weeks or so here in

Norway. I have donated though and my ferritin levels dropped too fast for it to

be hemachromatosis, at least according to the pros

Best regards,

ny

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results.

According to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels

converge to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms,

that is not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

> >

> > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of

sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

> >

> > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron

overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I have

ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

> >

> > That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

> >

> > After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25 mg of

Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating LH

and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

> >

> > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but can`t

afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

test out this SERM treatment on my own.

> >

> > What are your guys opinion on this?

> >

> > Is there any risk associated with this?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > ny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ny, I don't understand your estradiol test result. An optimal level would

be 20-25 pg/ml. So if your E2 is really <0.07 pg/ml, then it is essentially

zero, which is not good. I really think you should hold off on self-treatment,

and try to find a doctor who can help you figure out what's going on.

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results.

According to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels

converge to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms,

that is not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

> > >

> > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of

sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

> > >

> > > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron

overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I have

ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

> > >

> > > That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

> > >

> > > After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25 mg

of Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating LH

and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

> > >

> > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but can`t

afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

test out this SERM treatment on my own.

> > >

> > > What are your guys opinion on this?

> > >

> > > Is there any risk associated with this?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > > ny

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello wayback,

My test results say: <0,07 nmol/L - Reference range = 0,04 - 0,18

So, according to the reference range I use I guess I`m fine.

However, when I posted my old results a year ago on Dr no`s forums, he

converted it to <0,07 pg/ml. That`s why I posted that here Perhaps an error on

his part?

He also wrote: Low estradiol production - both from the adrenals and from

testicular production - can lower libido. Estradiol is necessary for sex drive.

Estradiol signals the production of testosterone receptors. With Estradiol, the

body can become " deaf " to testosterone.

I have not gotten my Clomiphene yet though.

Best regards,

ny

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results.

According to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels

converge to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms,

that is not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

> > > >

> > > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of

sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron

overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I have

ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

> > > >

> > > > That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

> > > >

> > > > After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25

mg of Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating

LH and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

> > > >

> > > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but can`t

afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

test out this SERM treatment on my own.

> > > >

> > > > What are your guys opinion on this?

> > > >

> > > > Is there any risk associated with this?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > >

> > > > ny

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, he got it wrong. For Estradiol:

0,04 - 0,18 nmol/L = 11 - 49 pg/mL

<0,07 nmol/L = 19 pg/mL

The conversion factor is .003671.

However, that " < " apparently means the test only gives valid readings down to

0,07. So you don't know how much lower it might actually be.

In any case, you certainly don't have high estradiol, so there would be no point

taking an aromatase inhibitor. Next time, see if you can get a " sensitive "

version of the E2 test that gives valid results down to a much lower level.

I do think no is right that E2 being too low can cause symptoms very

similar to T being too low. Everything I've read supports that. So you really

do need to know what it is.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results.

According to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels

converge to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms,

that is not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of

sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had

iron overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I

have ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though,

but it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

> > > > >

> > > > > That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms directly.

> > > > >

> > > > > After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that 25

mg of Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating

LH and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but

can`t afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now

considering to test out this SERM treatment on my own.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are your guys opinion on this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there any risk associated with this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > > >

> > > > > ny

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Allright. That makes more sense

I think my cortisol levels are fairly high though:

CORTISOL 748 nmol/L = 27.12 ug/dL (measured in the morning before eating).

Regards,

ny

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello everyone,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my test results.

According to Norwegian reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels

converge to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms,

that is not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots

of sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had

iron overload, but after following up this and talking to several experts, I

have ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though,

but it could have been random that it was elevated. An American expert still

believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have

fairly elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the condition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That brings me back to treating my low testosterone symptoms

directly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After some reading and talking to a few people, I have learned that

25 mg of Clomid per day can help the body to produce more testosterone by

elevating LH and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even read

some anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give permanent results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to the US, but

can`t afford it right now) will probably be able to help me, I am now

considering to test out this SERM treatment on my own.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are your guys opinion on this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there any risk associated with this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ny

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>