Re: Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new doctor.

[Guest guest]

I felt the same until I had the hot flash from hell that lasted about 50 mins.

Then I still felt the same, I didnt start feeling better until about month.

Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

I just received another email from the doc. He said " That's fine with me. See

you soon " . I just made an appointment for tomorrow morning to get started. Just

curious, what should I expect from a the initial 400mg injection? Will I feel

like Superman for a day?

Jeff

[Guest guest]

That is to much to try for a jump start ask for 200 mgs then do 100 mgs every

week after that or 2x's a week. But give it 7 days before you do your own

shots.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tendertendon <tendertendon@...>

> Subject: Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 10:02 AM

> I just received another email from

> the doc. He said " That's fine with me. See you soon " . I just

> made an appointment for tomorrow morning to get started.

> Just curious, what should I expect from a the initial 400mg

> injection? Will I feel like Superman for a day?

>

> Jeff

>

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[Guest guest]

I was just going to post this thanks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cvictorg <cvgrashow@...>

> Subject: Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 12:29 PM

> Well - Dr doses at 200mg to

> start

>

> www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/TRT.doc

>

> In order to get the serum androgen concentration to a

> stable level more quickly, I usually " frontload " 200mg the

> first injection (unless converting over from a gel/cream,

> then sequential taper of both preps is affected).

>

>

> > >

> > > I was pretty much thinking the same thing, but

> it's moving in the right direction and certainly better than

> doing nothing at all.

> > >

> > > Is there anything I can do to prepare for this

> shot to get the most out of it? I ordered Anastrozole, but

> it will probably be a couple of weeks before it arrives.

> > >

> > > Jeff

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I was on Androgel 10 grams when I got sick with an Infection my Dr. would give

me 200 mgs every 2 weeks on top of the Gel to keep my levels up. When we get

over stress from being sick levels get eaten up. Some men on TRT like myself

eat up the T as fast as we take it.

Still it's best to start low say 100 mgs /wk hold this for 8 weeks do labs go

from there.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 12:45 PM

> Interesting.  Anyone out there

> who's had 200+ mg to start who can share their

> experience?  I'm curious if not all get hot flashes and

> man boobs.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I was pretty much thinking the same thing,

> but it's moving in the right direction and certainly better

> than doing nothing at all.

> > > >

> > > > Is there anything I can do to prepare for

> this shot to get the most out of it? I ordered Anastrozole,

> but it will probably be a couple of weeks before it

> arrives.

> > > >

> > > > Jeff

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I know other men that eat it up as fast as they take it and they are not

Hypopituitary my SHBG is 22 not to low. I think it's about how your body acts

Dr.'s go to take my BP and I can feel it going up as they are taking it. They

get higher readings every time yet I don't have high BP.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 1:25 PM

> I know you eat up your T, but you're

> hypopituitary, which is a special situation where ALL your

> hormones have to be supplemented and balanced.  I've

> read at Dr. no's that when you use T as fast you take

> it, it means your SHBG is low, which is either low thyroid

> or insulin resistance.  High insulin makes one store

> fat, and the fat aromatises the T to E.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was pretty much thinking the

> same thing,

> > > but it's moving in the right direction and

> certainly better

> > > than doing nothing at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there anything I can do to

> prepare for

> > > this shot to get the most out of it? I ordered

> Anastrozole,

> > > but it will probably be a couple of weeks before

> it

> > > arrives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jeff

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

[Guest guest]

Dr. no is the best been reading his posts for many yrs now.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:42 PM

> An interesting post from Dr.

> no's forum:

>

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623 & highlight=Thus%2C+SHBG\

+makes+suspicious+insulin+signaling+high

>

> When it comes to thyroid levels, I generally like to see

> the following targets when optimizing thyroid hormone:

> Free T3 between 340 to 420 pg/dL (5.24-6.47 pmol/L)

> Total T4 between 8.0 to 12.0 ug/dL (102.96 to 154.44

> nmol/L)

> TSH between 0.050 to 0.8 uIU/mL

>

> It may be difficult to achieve these - particularly if one

> is using a predominantly T3 treatment such as Armour

> Thyroid. Thus, in those cases, so long as Free T3 and TSH

> are on target, I may compromise on T4 if the patient is

> doing well.

>

> ---

>

> A substantial amount of estradiol is produced by the

> adrenal glands. To thus have very low levels of estradiol

> may indicate active suppression of adrenal function (e.g.

> adrenal dysregulation).

>

> When Cortisol is high, yet other adrenal hormones are

> suppressed, there is still adrenal dysregulation. If there

> wasn't suppression of adrenal function, cortisol would be

> even higher - i.e., the high cortisol level is actually

> still a suppressed level. This is why I prefer orderling

> blood levels of the various adrenal hormones rather than

> simply ordering saliva cortisol. It gives me substantially

> more information.

>

> Cortisol, when elevated, indicates high

> stress/norepinephrine signaling. When norepinephrine

> signaling is high when one is trying to sleep, sleep is not

> restful. This is because sleep isn't deep enough when the

> signal for wakefulness - norepinephrine is present.

>

> It is important to look for infections as a contributing

> factor resulting in adrenal dysregulation. This includes

> dental infections. Many people do not maintain dental health

> well by brushing and flossing well. A sign of periodontal

> disease (i.e. dental infection) is bleeding gums.

>

> ---

>

> I like to see SHBG in an adult male between about 20-40

> nmol/L.

>

> Although multiple signals affect SHBG (e.g. testosterone,

> estradiol, DHEA, progesterone, thyroid hormone,

> norepinephrine, etc.), the strongest is insulin. Insulin

> lowers SHBG.

>

> Thus, low SHBG makes me suspicious that insulin signaling

> is high. High insulin signaling is a sensitive indicator of

> the presence of insulin resistance, which is either diabetes

> or pre-diabetes.

>

> Insulin signaling also lowers testosterone production.

>

> Insulin is also a signal to store fat.

> __________________

>

> Romeo B. no, MD, physician, psychiatrist

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: Barb <baba@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Starting injections,

> but may be looking for a new doctor.

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 1:25 PM

> > > I know you eat up your T, but you're

> > > hypopituitary, which is a special situation where

> ALL your

> > > hormones have to be supplemented and balanced. 

> I've

> > > read at Dr. no's that when you use T as fast

> you take

> > > it, it means your SHBG is low, which is either

> low thyroid

> > > or insulin resistance.  High insulin makes one

> store

> > > fat, and the fat aromatises the T to E.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Barb,

What would a low SHBG # look like; the last several years, mine test #'s have

been from a 13-18.

Don

Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

I know you eat up your T, but you're hypopituitary, which is a special situation

where ALL your hormones have to be supplemented and balanced. I've read at Dr.

no's that when you use T as fast you take it, it means your SHBG is low,

which is either low thyroid or insulin resistance. High insulin makes one store

fat, and the fat aromatises the T to E.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was pretty much thinking the same thing,

> > but it's moving in the right direction and certainly better

> > than doing nothing at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there anything I can do to prepare for

> > this shot to get the most out of it? I ordered Anastrozole,

> > but it will probably be a couple of weeks before it

> > arrives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jeff

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm low thyroid also, I take Armour daily, 60 in the morning and 30 at noon I'm

always have cold hands and feet; I increased my noon Armur to a whole pill (60)

instead of 30. My TSH #'s are .65.

Don

Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

I attached Dr. no's post about it a few days ago. I believe anything below

20 was considered low thyroid and/or insulin resistance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was pretty much thinking the same thing,

> > > but it's moving in the right direction and certainly better

> > > than doing nothing at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there anything I can do to prepare for

> > > this shot to get the most out of it? I ordered Anastrozole,

> > > but it will probably be a couple of weeks before it

> > > arrives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jeff

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this info; I will educate my endo and ask for these tests.

Don

Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

If you're on Armour or any med with T3, you cannot dose by TSH. You need to get

FT3, FT4, Total T4, ferritin, cortisol. If your hands/feet are cold, you aren't

on enough meds, or ferritin, cortisol or something else is too low.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was pretty much thinking the same thing,

> > > > but it's moving in the right direction and certainly better

> > > > than doing nothing at all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there anything I can do to prepare for

> > > > this shot to get the most out of it? I ordered Anastrozole,

> > > > but it will probably be a couple of weeks before it

> > > > arrives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jeff

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

After this shot if will peak in 2 to 3 days as far as feeling better on one shot

some men do things like Joint and Muscle pain get better. But to get back to

where you were before all this it takes time. First you need to get your levels

of TT up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and keep your Estraidol levels

down to about 20 pg/ml.

If you don't have a Thyroid or low Cortisol levels you will then start to feel

better a little everyday It's a slow process. What happens is your body with

good levels will start to undo the damage done for having low T over them yrs.

I when I draw my T out of the vial I put the amount of my shot of air into the

vial. I then pull the plunger all the way down and hold it. I do a .5 ml or

..5cc shot every 3 days it takes about a min. or two to get the Oil out of the

vial.

And when you shoot you want the oil to come out into your thigh slow.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tendertendon <tendertendon@...>

> Subject: Re: Starting injections, but may be looking for a new

doctor.

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 10:27 PM

>

>

> Well, I gave myself my first 200mg dose this afternoon.

> Everything went fine except I really underestimated how long

> it would take to draw 1 cc through a 27 gauge needle.

> Injecting went much faster though. It's been about 8 hours

> and I feel absolutely nothing yet. We'll see what tomorrow

> brings...

>

> Jeff

>

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