Re: Low T and cholesterol issues?

[Guest guest]

You may want to check out this link if you haven't already. Brett

http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20100416/statins_may_lower_testos\

terone_libido

Low T and cholesterol issues?

> Does low T cause high cholesterol? I have both and recently went off

> statins to see if statins had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my

> cholesterol rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for new

> T numbers to see if there was any change. It looks like I will have to go

> back on statins since diet and exercise aren't helping enough. I was

> curious though if having low T causes high cholesterol.

[Guest guest]

No, low thyroid causes high cholesterol.

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/symptomsproblems/a/cholesterol.htm

" As many as ten million Americans with high cholesterol levels may not know that

their cholesterol is elevated due to undiagnosed thyroid problems. High

cholesterol affects an estimated 98 million people, half the American

population, and is a major contributor to heart disease, America's number one

killer. But the most commonly known cholesterol raisers -- diet or insufficient

exercise - are not necessarily the problem for everyone. "

Low cholesterol can cause low T, because T is made from cholesterol.

I would insist on thyroid labs: Free T3, Free T4, reverse T3, TSH.

>

> Does low T cause high cholesterol? I have both and recently went off statins

to see if statins had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my cholesterol

rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for new T numbers to see

if there was any change. It looks like I will have to go back on statins since

diet and exercise aren't helping enough. I was curious though if having low T

causes high cholesterol.

>

[Guest guest]

low thyroid also causes low cholesterol as well.

> >

> > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I have both and recently went off statins

to see if statins had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my cholesterol

rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for new T numbers to see

if there was any change. It looks like I will have to go back on statins since

diet and exercise aren't helping enough. I was curious though if having low T

causes high cholesterol.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I seen this from a Dr.

http://www.drmirkin.com/men/1008.html

====================================================

1008

High Cholesterol Causes Low Testosterone

Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

Men with high blood pressure have low blood levels of the male hormone,

testosterone, and make love much less often than men with normal blood pressure,

according to a study from Italy.

How can this be? The male hormone, testosterone, was thought to raise

cholesterol, stiffen arteries, and increase risk for heart attacks. But this

applied only to the methyl testosterone taken by athletes, not the testosterone

produced by the body.

Having high cholesterol, pre-diabetes or high blood pressure causes hardening of

the arteries, which decreases blood flow to the testicles to damage the

testicles and lower testosterone. High blood pressure and high cholesterol lower

testosterone, so men with low testosterone are at increased risk for heart

attacks. That means that every impotent man should have blood tests for

cholesterol and diabetes, the two leading causes of heart attacks as well as

impotence. The tests your doctor should order include HBA1C, lipid panel,

C-Reactive Protein (CRP), homocysteine, Lp(a), prolactin and testosterone. By

the time a man has low levels of testosterone, he may already have significant

arteriosclerosis. More on Testosterone gel

Sexual activity and plasma testosterone levels in hypertensive males. American

Journal of Hypertension, 2002, Vol 15, Iss 3, pp 217-221. R Fogari, A Zoppi, P

Preti, A Rinaldi, G Marasi, A Vanasia, A Mugellini. Fogari R, Univ Pavia,

Policlin San Matteo, IRCCS, Dept Internal Med & Therapeut, Piazza Golgi 2,

I-27100 Pavia, ITALY

Checked 10/9/08

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> Subject: Low T and cholesterol issues?

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:30 PM

> Does low T cause high cholesterol? I

> have both and recently went off statins to see if statins

> had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my cholesterol

> rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for

> new T numbers to see if there was any change. It looks like

> I will have to go back on statins since diet and exercise

> aren't helping enough. I was curious though if having low T

> causes high cholesterol.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not a Dr. and I have a problem with this study.

(Corona and colleagues evaluated 3,484 men, average age 51, who visited an

outpatient clinic at the University of Florence with complaints of sexual

dysfunction between January 2002 and August 2009.)

Most men that have sexual dysfunction all ready have low Testosterone.

This link is one of many I have read when I was put on Statins after having

Heart Bypass Surgery. For every bad study about them there is good ones. Who

do you believe.

==================================================

Having high cholesterol, pre-diabetes or high blood pressure causes hardening of

the arteries, which decreases blood flow to the testicles to damage the

testicles and lower testosterone. High blood pressure and high cholesterol lower

testosterone, so men with low testosterone are at increased risk for heart

attacks. That means that every impotent man should have blood tests for

cholesterol and diabetes, the two leading causes of heart attacks as well as

impotence.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: Low T and cholesterol issues?

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:53 PM

> You may want to check out this link

> if you haven't already.  Brett

>

http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20100416/statins_may_lower_testos\

terone_libido

> Low T and cholesterol issues?

>

>

> > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I have both and

> recently went off

> > statins to see if statins had an effect on Low T.

> Well, I just had my

> > cholesterol rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm

> still waiting for new

> > T numbers to see if there was any change. It looks

> like I will have to go

> > back on statins since diet and exercise aren't helping

> enough. I was

> > curious though if having low T causes high

> cholesterol.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is faulty logic here confusing cause with correlation. This is similar to

the link between cholesterol and heart disease. High cholesterol is correlated

with heart disease, but is not the cause. Low thyroid is the cause. You raise

the thyroid levels, the cholesterol levels come down. Inverse relationship.

Here, they are saying " High blood pressure and high cholesterol lower

testosterone, so men with low testosterone are at increased risk for heart

attacks. " Again, high BP and high cholesterol may be correlated with low

testosterone, but low testosterone is not the cause of heart disease, except

indirectly as it relates to thyroid, since testosterone helps the inactive T4

thyroid hormone convert to the active T3 hormone.

It may also be that the group of men with these symptoms of high BP, high

cholesterol, and low testosterone all have some pituitary damage, resulting in

the low hormones levels. After a discussion here about being hit on the head, I

asked hubby about it, and sure enough, yeah, he was knocked out a couple of

times. This has got to be more common with men than woman!

Barb

>

> > From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> > Subject: Low T and cholesterol issues?

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:30 PM

> > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I

> > have both and recently went off statins to see if statins

> > had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my cholesterol

> > rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for

> > new T numbers to see if there was any change. It looks like

> > I will have to go back on statins since diet and exercise

> > aren't helping enough. I was curious though if having low T

> > causes high cholesterol.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is sure something to think about I never had high cholesterol in my life and

been doing labs every 8 weeks for the last 28 yrs. Yet I had to blockages going

to my heart 99% blocked off. So I ask the Heart Dr. how could this be. I don't

feel they know when I first got sick I was gritting my teeth so bad I got gum

infections one after the other. I read just the other day this can cause

blockages in your heart or to your heart. The Dr. did say my Blockages were

very old been there a long time and could not understand how I lived. Then

there is the low levels of hormones I have had over the last 28 yrs main one

Growth Hormone heart Dr. says this could have done this.

I have low levels of Cortisol, Thyroid and Growth Hormone for 23 yrs. Dr.'s

kept telling me I am OK in the normal range.

Until we figured out I am Hypopituitary do to a head injury from an Auto

Accident some 29 yrs ago.

My Wifes best friends Brother In Law had Heart Bypass sugary last yr about 13

months ago. He had to go back into the hosp. last week he had scare tissue

build up at the Bypass and a new blockage.

The fixed him without having to open his chest again he is lucky. I hate

hearing this it's hard to live with the worry of this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Low T and cholesterol issues?

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 10:09 AM

> There is faulty logic here confusing

> cause with correlation.  This is similar to the link

> between cholesterol and heart disease.  High

> cholesterol is correlated with heart disease, but is not the

> cause.  Low thyroid is the cause.  You raise the

> thyroid levels, the cholesterol levels come down. 

> Inverse relationship.

>

> Here, they are saying " High blood pressure and high

> cholesterol lower testosterone, so men with low testosterone

> are at increased risk for heart attacks. "   Again, high

> BP and high cholesterol may be correlated with low

> testosterone, but low testosterone is not the cause of heart

> disease, except indirectly as it relates to thyroid, since

> testosterone helps the inactive T4 thyroid hormone convert

> to the active T3 hormone. 

>

> It may also be that the group of men with these symptoms of

> high BP, high cholesterol, and low testosterone all have

> some pituitary damage, resulting in the low hormones

> levels.  After a discussion here about being hit on the

> head, I asked hubby about it, and sure enough, yeah, he was

> knocked out a couple of times.  This has got to be more

> common with men than woman!

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: Low T and cholesterol

> issues?

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:30 PM

> > > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I

> > > have both and recently went off statins to see if

> statins

> > > had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my

> cholesterol

> > > rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still

> waiting for

> > > new T numbers to see if there was any change. It

> looks like

> > > I will have to go back on statins since diet and

> exercise

> > > aren't helping enough. I was curious though if

> having low T

> > > causes high cholesterol.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

An ole saying in statistics " correlation does not mean causation. "   Correlation

and regression analyses are distinst mathematical processes.  In the former one

takes " what nature has to offer "   In the latter one manipulates the independent

variable to determine if it has an effect upon the dependent variable. 

Regression is a very robust procedure.

 

________________________________

From: Barb <baba@...>

Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 9:09:34 AM

Subject: Re: Low T and cholesterol issues?

 

There is faulty logic here confusing cause with correlation. This is similar to

the link between cholesterol and heart disease. High cholesterol is correlated

with heart disease, but is not the cause. Low thyroid is the cause. You raise

the thyroid levels, the cholesterol levels come down. Inverse relationship.

Here, they are saying " High blood pressure and high cholesterol lower

testosterone, so men with low testosterone are at increased risk for heart

attacks. " Again, high BP and high cholesterol may be correlated with low

testosterone, but low testosterone is not the cause of heart disease, except

indirectly as it relates to thyroid, since testosterone helps the inactive T4

thyroid hormone convert to the active T3 hormone.

It may also be that the group of men with these symptoms of high BP, high

cholesterol, and low testosterone all have some pituitary damage, resulting in

the low hormones levels. After a discussion here about being hit on the head, I

asked hubby about it, and sure enough, yeah, he was knocked out a couple of

times. This has got to be more common with men than woman!

Barb

>

> > From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> > Subject: Low T and cholesterol issues?

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:30 PM

> > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I

> > have both and recently went off statins to see if statins

> > had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my cholesterol

> > rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for

> > new T numbers to see if there was any change. It looks like

> > I will have to go back on statins since diet and exercise

> > aren't helping enough. I was curious though if having low T

> > causes high cholesterol.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> when I first got sick I was gritting my teeth so bad I got gum infections one

after the other. I read just the other day this can cause blockages in your

heart or to your heart.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but grinding your teeth and gum disease

are also a sign of low thyroid. I've been switching up doses here between no

Armour and starting Erfa etc. and my gums got inflamed, but as soon as I raised

the dose, it went away.

I know there are studies that say gum disease causes heart problems, but again,

that is correlation not cause. Cause is again low thyroid.

> My Wifes best friends Brother In Law had Heart Bypass sugary last yr about 13

months ago. He had to go back into the hosp. last week he had scare tissue

build up at the Bypass and a new blockage.

Has anyone checked his thyroid levels? If they haven't fixed the cause, the

symptom (new blockages) will continue. Unfortunately, multiple surgeries is far

too common.

Barb

[Guest guest]

I guess I should have said I was a mod at STTM forums when they were up. Now I

am a mod at

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=5 & sid=5824ee62823b23f6d08584d9\

16e94c0a

for men's only thyroid.

I just stopped taking Armour meds when I went on Growth Hormone my Thyroid went

Hyper started working again. Then I had to stop the GH dose was to high stoping

this my TSH went up to 5 stopped working. On GH my TSH was 1.5 FT3 was past min

rage but FT4 was at the bottom of the range.

So I asked for Synthroid 250mcgs because I was going back on GH I feel OK but

labs were just done on this 8 week yesterday and in 2 weeks we will see how my

levels are.

I am telling you I have talked a lot of people that went hyper on to much Armour

but until you go through this your self. It was hell.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > when I first got sick I was gritting my teeth so bad I

> got gum infections one after the other.  I read just

> the other day this can cause blockages in your heart or to

> your heart. 

>

> I'm going to sound like a broken record, but grinding your

> teeth and gum disease are also a sign of low thyroid. 

> I've been switching up doses here between no Armour and

> starting Erfa etc. and my gums got inflamed, but as soon as

> I raised the dose, it went away. 

>

> I know there are studies that say gum disease causes heart

> problems, but again, that is correlation not cause. 

> Cause is again low thyroid.

>

> > My Wifes best friends Brother In Law had Heart Bypass

> sugary last yr about 13 months ago.  He had to go back

> into the hosp. last week he had scare tissue build up at the

> Bypass and a new blockage.

>

> Has anyone checked his thyroid levels?  If they

> haven't fixed the cause, the symptom (new blockages) will

> continue.  Unfortunately, multiple surgeries is far too

> common.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

So your into Statistics it's been a time that I have seen this one I am retired

from Chry. I worked in Gage Process an Engineer for manufacturing. I was one of

the first to learn about Statistical process control (SPC) there and Applying it

to Gaging parts.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Big Biceps <biceps72@...>

> Subject: Re: Low T and cholesterol issues?

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 11:12 AM

> An ole saying in statistics

> " correlation does not mean causation. "   Correlation

> and regression analyses are distinst mathematical

> processes.  In the former one

> takes " what nature has to offer "   In the latter one

> manipulates the independent

> variable to determine if it has an effect upon the

> dependent variable. 

> Regression is a very robust procedure.

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Barb <baba@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 9:09:34 AM

> Subject: Re: Low T and cholesterol issues?

>

>  

> There is faulty logic here confusing cause with

> correlation. This is similar to

> the link between cholesterol and heart disease. High

> cholesterol is correlated

> with heart disease, but is not the cause. Low thyroid is

> the cause. You raise

> the thyroid levels, the cholesterol levels come down.

> Inverse relationship.

>

> Here, they are saying " High blood pressure and high

> cholesterol lower

> testosterone, so men with low testosterone are at increased

> risk for heart

> attacks. " Again, high BP and high cholesterol may be

> correlated with low

> testosterone, but low testosterone is not the cause of

> heart disease, except

> indirectly as it relates to thyroid, since testosterone

> helps the inactive T4

> thyroid hormone convert to the active T3 hormone.

>

>

> It may also be that the group of men with these symptoms of

> high BP, high

> cholesterol, and low testosterone all have some pituitary

> damage, resulting in

> the low hormones levels. After a discussion here about

> being hit on the head, I

> asked hubby about it, and sure enough, yeah, he was knocked

> out a couple of

> times. This has got to be more common with men than woman!

>

> Barb

>

>

> >

> > > From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: Low T and cholesterol

> issues?

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:30 PM

> > > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I

> > > have both and recently went off statins to see if

> statins

> > > had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my

> cholesterol

> > > rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still

> waiting for

> > > new T numbers to see if there was any change. It

> looks like

> > > I will have to go back on statins since diet and

> exercise

> > > aren't helping enough. I was curious though if

> having low T

> > > causes high cholesterol.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Before TRT(7/09)my cholesterol numbers all were bad. I started Tcypionate 2/10.

Just got my cholesterol tested. All numbers have improved considerably.

This leads me to believe that TRT has improved my cholesterol.

>

> Does low T cause high cholesterol? I have both and recently went off statins

to see if statins had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my cholesterol

rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for new T numbers to see

if there was any change. It looks like I will have to go back on statins since

diet and exercise aren't helping enough. I was curious though if having low T

causes high cholesterol.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the replies. My thyroid has been checked numerous times over the

years and results have always come back normal. High cholesterol runs in my

family and I've been on statins for the last few years. Even on the statins my

cholesterol numbers have still not been the greatest that is why I was wondering

if having low T is making my cholesterol worse. I am planning on starting TRT

soon so it will be interesting to see if my cholesterol numbers improve over

time. I will continue on the statins for the time being.

> >

> > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I have both and recently went off statins

to see if statins had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my cholesterol

rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for new T numbers to see

if there was any change. It looks like I will have to go back on statins since

diet and exercise aren't helping enough. I was curious though if having low T

causes high cholesterol.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

*normal* is a setting on the dryer :: grin ::, why not add Free T3 and Free T4

to your next blood tests for thyroid, post the lab results and the lab ranges

and ask for comment--most docs do the wrong tests and thus, get the wrong

conclusions

EL

> > >

> > > Does low T cause high cholesterol? I have both and recently went off

statins to see if statins had an effect on Low T. Well, I just had my

cholesterol rechecked and my numbers are way up. I'm still waiting for new T

numbers to see if there was any change. It looks like I will have to go back on

statins since diet and exercise aren't helping enough. I was curious though if

having low T causes high cholesterol.

> > >

> >

>