Re: Need opinion of new labs

[Guest guest]

Hi Cal,

With levels in the 500's for TT I would not have told you to go on TRT. I see

your thyroid is off and this might be why you were feeling like this. Men don't

go on TRT unless there levels are below 300 and they are dam sick.

Now you have a higher level of E2 and this is going to make your worse and kill

your sex life.

I don't use Labcorp never had good luck back in the day with them and will never

use them again. Unless your Dr. did not order the same test # as the first test

the range should be the same.

You know to get a Thyroid leveled off first you need good Cortisol levels did

your Dr. test this. You need cortisol to carry the Thyroid hormones out of your

blood into your cells is your cortisol levels are low this will not happen.

When I went on meds for my low Adrenals then Thyroid Armour meds it took me a

good yr. to get leveled off.

And every time we went up on the dose it took 8 weeks to see the change in labs

then we went buy how I felt.

Now your E2 is up this mess's with your Thyroid you need to get something like

Arimidex to get this down now. As it keeps going up it's going to undo any good

the Testosterone and Thyroid meds are doing.

Talk to your Dr. about trying .25 mgs or 1/4 of a one mgs pill of Arimidex every

3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cibkos22 <no_reply >

> Subject: Need opinion of new labs

>

> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:10 PM

> Hi Phil,

>

> I wanted to post some labs and get your opinion. 

> Fifty year old male.  Complaints include difficulty

> losing weight, loss of muscle tone and moodiness(short

> tempered).  Sexual desire and performance has slightly

> decreased but still very functional.

>

> 12/9/10  No supplements or hormones taken at this

> time

> FreeT 8.9 (6.8-21.5)

> Total T  561  (280-800)

> DHT  11  (30-85)

> Dhea 266  (44.3-331.0)

> Estradiol   21.9  (7.6-42.6)

> Free T3  2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> Vit D 28.4(32.0-100) and B12 372(211-946)

>

> New Labs 1/27/11 -after taking 50mg Testosterone

> Cypionate/50mg Dhea/compounded SRT3/T4(equiv-1gr Armour) Vit

> D10,000Iu and 5000mcg B12

> Free T  34.2  (7.2-24.0)

> Total T  831 (193-740) Don't know why the reference

> number changed from above -same lab - LabCorp.

> DHT 37  (30-85)

> Dhea  487.3  (44.3-331.0)

> Estradiol  47.1  (7.6-42.6)

> FT3 2.8 (2.0-4.4)No change from above values on the

> compounded meds so Dr. changed to 60mg Armour-I know that

> compounded meds are notoriously weak.

> No Vit D or B12 tested this time.

>

> Feeling a little better on meds although no change in

> weight loss.  Muscle tone does seems to be making some

> improvement.  Mood improvement was very noticeable at

> beginning of treatment but has now returned to as it was

> before.  Slight changes in sexual desire.

>

> Dr. has just increased T to 75mg/week.  Made the

> changes in thyroid meds and said that everything else looked

> fine.  Did not appear to be converting to

> Estrogen.  Labs do show to be making some improvement

> but was concerned about the increase in DHT and Estradiol,

> even after his comments.  Also, what about the

> Dhea??  Would appreciate your opinion. 

>

> Thanks,

> Cal

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the thorough explanation. Everything you mention makes total

sense. Will visit with the doc this next week.

Would DIM help with any of this??

Also, should the T dose be taken back down to 50mg. It's only been four days

post the 75mg shot. Only been on the Armour for four days as well. I know it

needs time to build up.

What do you think about the Dhea...is the high level anything significant?

Thanks,

Cal

>

> > From: cibkos22 <no_reply >

> > Subject: Need opinion of new labs

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:10 PM

> > Hi Phil,

> >

> > I wanted to post some labs and get your opinion. 

> > Fifty year old male.  Complaints include difficulty

> > losing weight, loss of muscle tone and moodiness(short

> > tempered).  Sexual desire and performance has slightly

> > decreased but still very functional.

> >

> > 12/9/10  No supplements or hormones taken at this

> > time

> > FreeT 8.9 (6.8-21.5)

> > Total T  561  (280-800)

> > DHT  11  (30-85)

> > Dhea 266  (44.3-331.0)

> > Estradiol   21.9  (7.6-42.6)

> > Free T3  2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> > Vit D 28.4(32.0-100) and B12 372(211-946)

> >

> > New Labs 1/27/11 -after taking 50mg Testosterone

> > Cypionate/50mg Dhea/compounded SRT3/T4(equiv-1gr Armour) Vit

> > D10,000Iu and 5000mcg B12

> > Free T  34.2  (7.2-24.0)

> > Total T  831 (193-740) Don't know why the reference

> > number changed from above -same lab - LabCorp.

> > DHT 37  (30-85)

> > Dhea  487.3  (44.3-331.0)

> > Estradiol  47.1  (7.6-42.6)

> > FT3 2.8 (2.0-4.4)No change from above values on the

> > compounded meds so Dr. changed to 60mg Armour-I know that

> > compounded meds are notoriously weak.

> > No Vit D or B12 tested this time.

> >

> > Feeling a little better on meds although no change in

> > weight loss.  Muscle tone does seems to be making some

> > improvement.  Mood improvement was very noticeable at

> > beginning of treatment but has now returned to as it was

> > before.  Slight changes in sexual desire.

> >

> > Dr. has just increased T to 75mg/week.  Made the

> > changes in thyroid meds and said that everything else looked

> > fine.  Did not appear to be converting to

> > Estrogen.  Labs do show to be making some improvement

> > but was concerned about the increase in DHT and Estradiol,

> > even after his comments.  Also, what about the

> > Dhea??  Would appreciate your opinion. 

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm 53 and I would happily give up TRT if I could have your total test level

naturally. Estrogen is another matter altogether and appears to be something

that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, most docs do not have much

experience in dealing with estrogen levels in men... Testosterone is not the

fix-all that people often think. Seriously, there are a lot of younger men too

who would love to have your test and free test levels. W

>

> > From: cibkos22 <no_reply >

> > Subject: Need opinion of new labs

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:10 PM

> > Hi Phil,

> >

> > I wanted to post some labs and get your opinion. 

> > Fifty year old male.  Complaints include difficulty

> > losing weight, loss of muscle tone and moodiness(short

> > tempered).  Sexual desire and performance has slightly

> > decreased but still very functional.

> >

> > 12/9/10  No supplements or hormones taken at this

> > time

> > FreeT 8.9 (6.8-21.5)

> > Total T  561  (280-800)

> > DHT  11  (30-85)

> > Dhea 266  (44.3-331.0)

> > Estradiol   21.9  (7.6-42.6)

> > Free T3  2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> > Vit D 28.4(32.0-100) and B12 372(211-946)

> >

> > New Labs 1/27/11 -after taking 50mg Testosterone

> > Cypionate/50mg Dhea/compounded SRT3/T4(equiv-1gr Armour) Vit

> > D10,000Iu and 5000mcg B12

> > Free T  34.2  (7.2-24.0)

> > Total T  831 (193-740) Don't know why the reference

> > number changed from above -same lab - LabCorp.

> > DHT 37  (30-85)

> > Dhea  487.3  (44.3-331.0)

> > Estradiol  47.1  (7.6-42.6)

> > FT3 2.8 (2.0-4.4)No change from above values on the

> > compounded meds so Dr. changed to 60mg Armour-I know that

> > compounded meds are notoriously weak.

> > No Vit D or B12 tested this time.

> >

> > Feeling a little better on meds although no change in

> > weight loss.  Muscle tone does seems to be making some

> > improvement.  Mood improvement was very noticeable at

> > beginning of treatment but has now returned to as it was

> > before.  Slight changes in sexual desire.

> >

> > Dr. has just increased T to 75mg/week.  Made the

> > changes in thyroid meds and said that everything else looked

> > fine.  Did not appear to be converting to

> > Estrogen.  Labs do show to be making some improvement

> > but was concerned about the increase in DHT and Estradiol,

> > even after his comments.  Also, what about the

> > Dhea??  Would appreciate your opinion. 

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Cal,

The Dhea is up are you taking DHEA supplements to much of the will convert into

Estradiol. I can't tell you what to do but if I were you I would not have

started on TRT. How long have you been on this 50 mgs / week I would talk to

your Dr. about stopping this to see if your 500 + levels come back on there own.

You need to work with a good Dr. like Dr. to see why your low and if it can

be fixed without your being on TRT.

Ask your Dr. if he will work with Dr. over the phone to test and treat you.

www.allthingsmale.com

He does this if your Dr. is welling.

Men just don't need TRT with levels in the 500's on labs.

To learn about being on Armour go to the site and read up on it.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/natural-thyroid-101/

I am a mod at this forum for Men's only Thyroid.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24

I have this sticky " How I got started treating my Adrenals and Thyroid " but you

need to be a member to read it. I will try to cut and paste it here.

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started treating my Adrenals and Thyroid.

by pmgamer18 » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:33 pm

The ACTH Stim test will show if it's your Adrenals or your Pituitary not sending

the message ACTH to your Adrenals to make Cortisol. Here is a link to Chris's

Explanation of the ACTH test you need to read this I have seen posts where Dr.'s

did it wrong. You need to be sure you understand about this test and how to read

it.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/co ... .php?t=288.

Most people find out they have low cortisol because they have a low Thyroid

Problem one needs cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone from the blood to the

cells. If there cortisol is low do to Adrenal Fatigue there is not enough

cortisol to do this and as they up there meds they start to feel hyper because

the hormone is going to high in the blood and not being carried to the cells.

One big cause of Adrenal Fatigue is a low Thyroid the Adrenals work over time to

bring up levels of thyroid and become fatigued.

Now we are finding a lot of men with low Testosterone have Adrenal Fatigue do to

the stress of low Testosterone be it from the fatigue of low Testosterone or the

high Estradiol. But it's dam odd that as men hear about this and are not feeling

100% on Testosterone Replacement Therapy that after a blood test there cortisol

levels are low.

The first thing I did was to try and figure out what stage of Adrenal Fatigue I

was at and it looked like stage 3.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/Selye%20large.html

Then I went to this site and printed out a chart for tracking your body's temps.

I first took my temp under my arm before getting out of bed for 10 min.'s if it

is under 97.8 you have a thyroid problem. Took my temps 4 morning and then I did

an avg. it was 95.8. So now I for sure I am hypo.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Using this to take my temps it is also sold at Wall-Greens and Wal-mart.

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/P ... ometer.htm

Then after I was up for 3 hrs I took my temp every 3 hrs 3 times a day and did

an avg. My avg. was low between 96.8 to 97.6 and each day was up or down more

then 2ths this is Adrenal Fatigue.

I then ordered a Saliva Test through this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

From the Canary Club for about $140.00 this is the best way to test cortisol

levels and DHEA.

Then I bought the book " Adrenal Fatigue The 21st. Century by . This book

was a big help in understanding this problem but doing what he said to treat it

did nothing to my temp chart. It has this in it Pituitary Extract (Freeze-Dried)

120 mg

Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg and cortisol but you have no idea how much.

http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html

Also he said to do B Vit.s.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Vit. C

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Everyone with low Cortisol has low DHEA I take this 2 a day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take 3 grams of a good brand of Fish OIL. I buy mine at Coscos (spelling) I

get the one that is coated so you don't burp it up.

And there is Maca this helps keep your Adrenal hormones leveled. I was off this

for 30 days and just went back on it I feel better on this. I do 1/2 tsp 2 x's a

day. This is the best price and product on he web.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pi ... aca-Powder

I dropped the Adrenal cortex

http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html

It did nothing.

I got some Isocort and started on it it is made from sheep adrenal's and wow the

first pill made me feel good you need to start this slow. I did 4 pills = 10mgs.

of cortisol first thing in the morning with food and 2 pills = 5mgs. of cortisol

at noon and dinner. This changed my chart my temps come up to 98.4 to 99 but

still up and down if your avg. is up or down from day to day more then .2 tenths

your cortisol is still to low. I followed this to get started.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ad ... w-to-treat

My Dr. would not give me Hydrocortisone said it's not safe to use. So I got this

book by Dr. Jefferies " Safe Uses of Cortisol "

http://members.aol.com/jefferiesw/

http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X

Showed this to my Dr. and he blew it off and pissed me off.

I got up to 120mgs of Armour and could not do more my charting even showed my

Adrenals were not right to go higher. So I switched to HC and stated with 10mgs.

in the morning wow in less then a week my temps were a straight line across at

98.6 first time in 8 months of charting things were looking good and I was

feeling better. So if you need to treat your Adrenals the best place for info is

at this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/co ... um.php?f=5

Today I am on 3.5 grains of Armour taking it 3x's a day. I am on 25mgs of Cortef

starting at 10mgs first thing in the morning at 5am I still wake up at this time

now that I am retired. I then go back to bed and when I get up at 8am I feel

good. My next dose is 5mgs at 9am, then 5mgs at 1pm and my last dose is at 6pm.

I do 70mgs of Testosterone every 3 days and 350 IU's of HCG the 2 days each in

between my Testosterone shots I also do this at 5am. I use Arimidex to keep my

Estradiol levels down a lot of men over 40 years of age have higher levels then

the women. When this gets to high you can kiss your libido good by. I have just

started on Floinef because of feeling hot so bad that I would not go out side in

the summer heat. I would void every 2 hrs around the clock 24/7 this was due to

low Aldosterone levels my body is dumping my sodium. So there you have it after

24 yrs we finely got it right and now I feel good.Men's Thyroid Fourm Moderator

and Hypopituitary Co-Moderator, not a medical professional.

------------------------------------------------------

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cibkos22 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Need opinion of new labs

>

> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 4:25 PM

> Thanks so much for the thorough

> explanation.  Everything you mention makes total

> sense.  Will visit with the doc this next week.

> Would DIM help with any of this?? 

>

> Also, should the T dose be taken back down to 50mg. 

> It's only been four days post the 75mg

> shot.   Only been on the Armour for four days

> as well.  I know it needs time to build up.

>

> What do you think about the Dhea...is the high level

> anything significant?

>

>

> Thanks,

> Cal

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: cibkos22 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: Need opinion of new labs

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:10 PM

> > > Hi Phil,

> > >

> > > I wanted to post some labs and get your

> opinion. 

> > > Fifty year old male.  Complaints include

> difficulty

> > > losing weight, loss of muscle tone and

> moodiness(short

> > > tempered).  Sexual desire and performance has

> slightly

> > > decreased but still very functional.

> > >

> > > 12/9/10  No supplements or hormones taken at

> this

> > > time

> > > FreeT 8.9 (6.8-21.5)

> > > Total T  561  (280-800)

> > > DHT  11  (30-85)

> > > Dhea 266  (44.3-331.0)

> > > Estradiol   21.9  (7.6-42.6)

> > > Free T3  2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> > > Vit D 28.4(32.0-100) and B12 372(211-946)

> > >

> > > New Labs 1/27/11 -after taking 50mg Testosterone

> > > Cypionate/50mg Dhea/compounded SRT3/T4(equiv-1gr

> Armour) Vit

> > > D10,000Iu and 5000mcg B12

> > > Free T  34.2  (7.2-24.0)

> > > Total T  831 (193-740) Don't know why the

> reference

> > > number changed from above -same lab - LabCorp.

> > > DHT 37  (30-85)

> > > Dhea  487.3  (44.3-331.0)

> > > Estradiol  47.1  (7.6-42.6)

> > > FT3 2.8 (2.0-4.4)No change from above values on

> the

> > > compounded meds so Dr. changed to 60mg Armour-I

> know that

> > > compounded meds are notoriously weak.

> > > No Vit D or B12 tested this time.

> > >

> > > Feeling a little better on meds although no

> change in

> > > weight loss.  Muscle tone does seems to be

> making some

> > > improvement.  Mood improvement was very

> noticeable at

> > > beginning of treatment but has now returned to as

> it was

> > > before.  Slight changes in sexual desire.

> > >

> > > Dr. has just increased T to 75mg/week.  Made

> the

> > > changes in thyroid meds and said that everything

> else looked

> > > fine.  Did not appear to be converting to

> > > Estrogen.  Labs do show to be making some

> improvement

> > > but was concerned about the increase in DHT and

> Estradiol,

> > > even after his comments.  Also, what about the

> > > Dhea??  Would appreciate your opinion. 

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks again Phil,

Dhea is 50mg daily so there is possibly more than one factor working against the

situation and increasing the Estrodial. Do you suppose stopping the Dhea and

cutting back on the Testosterone that the E levels might come down as well as

the Testosterone levels? Been on 50mg for about five wks...one wk on 75mg.

Little worried about the situation now. I will contact Dr. for conversation.

But do feel as though the T has been very helpful within just these past few

weeks. Noticed a good change.

What range do you keep your T levels?? Don't you think with the current

symptoms that the T might have been starting it's decline due to age? Or, Do

you see guys in their 50's-60's that maintain a good T level without help?

Will also look at thyroid again in a few weeks with the med change. Have not

had adrenals tested. Energy is good...go all day but sort of crash at night,

but then that's normally bedtime.

Thanks,

Cal

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Cal,

> > >

> > > > From: cibkos22 <no_reply >

> > > > Subject: Need opinion of new labs

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:10 PM

> > > > Hi Phil,

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to post some labs and get your

> > opinion. 

> > > > Fifty year old male.  Complaints include

> > difficulty

> > > > losing weight, loss of muscle tone and

> > moodiness(short

> > > > tempered).  Sexual desire and performance has

> > slightly

> > > > decreased but still very functional.

> > > >

> > > > 12/9/10  No supplements or hormones taken at

> > this

> > > > time

> > > > FreeT 8.9 (6.8-21.5)

> > > > Total T  561  (280-800)

> > > > DHT  11  (30-85)

> > > > Dhea 266  (44.3-331.0)

> > > > Estradiol   21.9  (7.6-42.6)

> > > > Free T3  2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > Vit D 28.4(32.0-100) and B12 372(211-946)

> > > >

> > > > New Labs 1/27/11 -after taking 50mg Testosterone

> > > > Cypionate/50mg Dhea/compounded SRT3/T4(equiv-1gr

> > Armour) Vit

> > > > D10,000Iu and 5000mcg B12

> > > > Free T  34.2  (7.2-24.0)

> > > > Total T  831 (193-740) Don't know why the

> > reference

> > > > number changed from above -same lab - LabCorp.

> > > > DHT 37  (30-85)

> > > > Dhea  487.3  (44.3-331.0)

> > > > Estradiol  47.1  (7.6-42.6)

> > > > FT3 2.8 (2.0-4.4)No change from above values on

> > the

> > > > compounded meds so Dr. changed to 60mg Armour-I

> > know that

> > > > compounded meds are notoriously weak.

> > > > No Vit D or B12 tested this time.

> > > >

> > > > Feeling a little better on meds although no

> > change in

> > > > weight loss.  Muscle tone does seems to be

> > making some

> > > > improvement.  Mood improvement was very

> > noticeable at

> > > > beginning of treatment but has now returned to as

> > it was

> > > > before.  Slight changes in sexual desire.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. has just increased T to 75mg/week.  Made

> > the

> > > > changes in thyroid meds and said that everything

> > else looked

> > > > fine.  Did not appear to be converting to

> > > > Estrogen.  Labs do show to be making some

> > improvement

> > > > but was concerned about the increase in DHT and

> > Estradiol,

> > > > even after his comments.  Also, what about the

> > > > Dhea??  Would appreciate your opinion. 

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Cal,

First thing I would ask this Dr. is why he put you on TRT with out trying to

figure out way you feel like to do. Men with levels from the body in the mid

500's are normal you can't gage levels of T on TRT to what your body makes. Men

on TRT some do good at 500 others need to be up near the top of the range.

I can't say if you stop the T your body will jump back in but it's worth a try.

I am betting it's our thyroid and Cortisol levels making you feel bad.

Or something else 50 mgs if DHEA is a lot most men only take 25 mgs problem with

taking pills it they go through the liver and we never know what they are going

to change into. From what I know about hormones today I would take DHEA cream.

You need to talk to your Dr. about this and ask him if he will work with Dr.

over the phone to get you jump started and off TRT and to run tests to see

whats wrong. I am not a Dr. but I can tell you your Dr. is not doing good by

you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>  

> Cal,

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: cibkos22 <no_reply >

> > > > > Subject: Need opinion of

> new labs

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:10

> PM

> > > > > Hi Phil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted to post some labs and get

> your

> > > opinion. 

> > > > > Fifty year old male.  Complaints

> include

> > > difficulty

> > > > > losing weight, loss of muscle tone and

> > > moodiness(short

> > > > > tempered).  Sexual desire and

> performance has

> > > slightly

> > > > > decreased but still very functional.

> > > > >

> > > > > 12/9/10  No supplements or hormones

> taken at

> > > this

> > > > > time

> > > > > FreeT 8.9 (6.8-21.5)

> > > > > Total T  561  (280-800)

> > > > > DHT  11  (30-85)

> > > > > Dhea 266  (44.3-331.0)

> > > > > Estradiol   21.9  (7.6-42.6)

> > > > > Free T3  2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > Vit D 28.4(32.0-100) and B12

> 372(211-946)

> > > > >

> > > > > New Labs 1/27/11 -after taking 50mg

> Testosterone

> > > > > Cypionate/50mg Dhea/compounded

> SRT3/T4(equiv-1gr

> > > Armour) Vit

> > > > > D10,000Iu and 5000mcg B12

> > > > > Free T  34.2  (7.2-24.0)

> > > > > Total T  831 (193-740) Don't know why

> the

> > > reference

> > > > > number changed from above -same lab -

> LabCorp.

> > > > > DHT 37  (30-85)

> > > > > Dhea  487.3  (44.3-331.0)

> > > > > Estradiol  47.1  (7.6-42.6)

> > > > > FT3 2.8 (2.0-4.4)No change from above

> values on

> > > the

> > > > > compounded meds so Dr. changed to 60mg

> Armour-I

> > > know that

> > > > > compounded meds are notoriously weak.

> > > > > No Vit D or B12 tested this time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Feeling a little better on meds

> although no

> > > change in

> > > > > weight loss.  Muscle tone does seems

> to be

> > > making some

> > > > > improvement.  Mood improvement was

> very

> > > noticeable at

> > > > > beginning of treatment but has now

> returned to as

> > > it was

> > > > > before.  Slight changes in sexual

> desire.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr. has just increased T to

> 75mg/week.  Made

> > > the

> > > > > changes in thyroid meds and said that

> everything

> > > else looked

> > > > > fine.  Did not appear to be converting

> to

> > > > > Estrogen.  Labs do show to be making

> some

> > > improvement

> > > > > but was concerned about the increase in

> DHT and

> > > Estradiol,

> > > > > even after his comments.  Also, what

> about the

> > > > > Dhea??  Would appreciate your

> opinion. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cal

> > > > >

> > > > >

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