Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

[Guest guest]

Hi cjsheets24 and Welcome,

Your Dr. needed to test you 2 weeks after starting you on this low starting dose

of Androgel. You can end up lower then you started if this dose it to low of it

does not get through your skin. Most men do better on 10 grams of Andorgel You

need to spread this over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach after a shower but let it dry from wet just spread out around

real good. Then do the other side here is a copy of a file I made about using

gels.

If you try the higher 10 gram dose and your levels are still to low it's your

skin and you need to do shots.

====================================================

Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@...>

> Subject: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:45 PM

> Hi everyone,

>

> I just got back my most recent blood test and my total is

> 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It has not gone up one

> bit since my last blood test 5 months ago. I have been on

> 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

>

> Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex drive. I have not

> had much ED issue. Feels like I have permanent mononuclesis

> which I was diagonosed with 10 years ago.

>

> An support you can provide would be appreciated.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your help Phil. I remember my doctor telling me 5 months ago that

the gel absorbes better through the stomach so I have been doing it that way. I

remember feeling like a new man in regards to my labido when I first started

taking it. Then the dreaded back down cycle. I will start taking the 5 grams the

way you suggested.

On a side note. I am very concerned as I just lost my job and now don't have

insurance and can't afford cobra. I have 2.5 bottles of Androgel left. I want to

do the therapy correctly and continue on it if it's going to help me get my life

back. My girlfriend has been very patient with my issue, but my lack of sex

drive is really weighing on her.

Do you know any assistance programs as long as my doctor keeps prescribing it?

Also, I forgot to note I am 37 years old.

Thanks

>

> > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@...>

> > Subject: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:45 PM

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I just got back my most recent blood test and my total is

> > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It has not gone up one

> > bit since my last blood test 5 months ago. I have been on

> > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> >

> > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex drive. I have not

> > had much ED issue. Feels like I have permanent mononuclesis

> > which I was diagonosed with 10 years ago.

> >

> > An support you can provide would be appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There is help Testim has this don't know how good it is but you can try them.

http://www.testim.com/patient-savings-and-assistance.aspx

If not switch to shots you can get a 10ml Vail of 200mgs/ml of Test cypionate.

Doing your own shots 100 mgs per week for about $120 to $150 that will last you

about 19 weeks.

Here is a link about doing shots read the info page and have your Dr. show you

how to do them.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

I use a 27g 1ml X 1/2 " needle and shoot into my thigh no pain this way and I

have dam good levels.

The oil comes out slow so I just pull the plunger all the way down and hold it

until I have my dose takes about a min. or two.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:52 AM

> Thank you for your help Phil. I

> remember my doctor telling me 5 months ago that the gel

> absorbes better through the stomach so I have been doing it

> that way. I remember feeling like a new man in regards to my

> labido when I first started taking it. Then the dreaded back

> down cycle. I will start taking the 5 grams the way you

> suggested.

>

> On a side note. I am very concerned as I just lost my job

> and now don't have insurance and can't afford cobra. I have

> 2.5 bottles of Androgel left. I want to do the therapy

> correctly and continue on it if it's going to help me get my

> life back. My girlfriend has been very patient with my

> issue, but my lack of sex drive is really weighing on her.

>

> Do you know any assistance programs as long as my doctor

> keeps prescribing it?

>

> Also, I forgot to note I am 37 years old.

>

> Thanks

>

>

> >

> > > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@...>

> > > Subject: New to the site: Low

> Test, What to Do?

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:45 PM

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I just got back my most recent blood test and my

> total is

> > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It has not

> gone up one

> > > bit since my last blood test 5 months ago. I have

> been on

> > > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> > >

> > > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex drive. I

> have not

> > > had much ED issue. Feels like I have permanent

> mononuclesis

> > > which I was diagonosed with 10 years ago.

> > >

> > > An support you can provide would be appreciated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and group,

It's been awhile since I first posted on here. I have been off TRT therapy since

and I feel miserable. I tried to get my doctor(who is about to retire) to give

me a prescription for injections but he said that there would be several blood

tests that would have to be done and with my lack of insurance it would be

expensive so I just forgot about it.

I can not forget about it anymore. It's affecting my life negatively in all

aspects. I am depressed, have absolutely no energy and drive to do anything.

It's time to take this serious and find out what's wrong with me. I'm ready to

get all the necessary bloodwork done to see WHY my body is failing me and get on

a treatment plan. My mom has been on synthroid for years and my dad has low-t

has well so I have some hereditary things probably going on too.

My girlfriend suggested going to BodyLogicMD. They have a local office here in

Columbus, Ohio. http://www.bodylogicmd.com/ She a believer in the bioidential

hormone thing.

Do any off you know anything about them or think that is a good place to start?

It's $595 for the bloodwork through Quest and then $395 for the initial

consultation.

Should I call a local compounding pharmacy to see who's buying testosterone and

then contact them based on the " Finding a Male Hormone Doctor " page?

I would love to have all your expertise on what I should do to get my bloodwork

done and find a knowledgeable person to help me feel better again. It's all

going to be out of pocket due to not having insurance but my family is going to

loams me all the monetary means I need to feel well again.

Thanks for taking the time to read and your help in advance,

Charlie

>

> > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@...>

> > Subject: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:45 PM

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I just got back my most recent blood test and my total is

> > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It has not gone up one

> > bit since my last blood test 5 months ago. I have been on

> > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> >

> > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex drive. I have not

> > had much ED issue. Feels like I have permanent mononuclesis

> > which I was diagonosed with 10 years ago.

> >

> > An support you can provide would be appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Charlie and Welcome,

To save you money and see the best I would drive to see Dr.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/newpt.html

you only need to see him once the rest he can do by phone or Email. I am sure

the cost is a lot less and men fly in from all over the world to see him.

Here is a link to his forum.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

All TRT for men is bioidential Dr.'s and even people that want to sell there

books us this word Bio. Testosterone is made from yams.

You need to go to Dr. 's forum and read the Sticky TRT: A Recipe for Success

in this are the labs you need and why. Plus if you can get copy's of your old

labs Dr. can use them to save you money.

Plus you can order your labs from this site for a lot less cost.

http://www.lef.org/BloodTest/

When your at Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com Dr. Crisler is offering a

complimentary 12-month subscription to Life Extension magazine.

If you get this subscription when you order your labs they will offer you a

lower price to join there club. So if you get your labs from them your cost

will be a lot less.

As for BodyLogicMD I don't pay much mind to them kinds of clinics they are a hug

all over the place and most are not any good. Best way to find out is to try

posting about them at Dr. 's forum I am sure men there that don't see Dr.

can give you a heads up about them.

I just did a search and found this bodylogicmd scam

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=bodylogicmd+scam & aq=1 & aqi=g10 & aql= & oq=B\

odyLogicMD

Or drive to see Dr. O and Hardasnails at

Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

st Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and

metabolic disorders 610-828-2026

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: buckeye8084 <buckeye8084@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:17 PM

>

>

>

> Hi Phil and group,

>

> It's been awhile since I first posted on here. I have been

> off TRT therapy since and I feel miserable. I tried to get

> my doctor(who is about to retire) to give me a prescription

> for injections but he said that there would be several blood

> tests that would have to be done and with my lack of

> insurance it would be expensive so I just forgot about it.

>

> I can not forget about it anymore. It's affecting my life

> negatively in all aspects. I am depressed, have absolutely

> no energy and drive to do anything. It's time to take this

> serious and find out what's wrong with me. I'm ready to get

> all the necessary bloodwork done to see WHY my body is

> failing me and get on a treatment plan. My mom has been on

> synthroid for years and my dad has low-t has well so I have

> some hereditary things probably going on too.

>

> My girlfriend suggested going to BodyLogicMD. They have a

> local office here in Columbus, Ohio. http://www.bodylogicmd.com/ She a

believer in the

> bioidential hormone thing.

>

> Do any off you know anything about them or think that is a

> good place to start? It's $595 for the bloodwork through

> Quest and then $395 for the initial consultation.

>

> Should I call a local compounding pharmacy to see who's

> buying testosterone and then contact them based on the

> " Finding a Male Hormone Doctor " page?

>

> I would love to have all your expertise on what I should do

> to get my bloodwork done and find a knowledgeable person to

> help me feel better again. It's all going to be out of

> pocket due to not having insurance but my family is going to

> loams me all the monetary means I need to feel well again.

>

> Thanks for taking the time to read and your help in

> advance,

>

> Charlie

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@...>

> > > Subject: New to the site: Low

> Test, What to Do?

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:45 PM

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I just got back my most recent blood test and my

> total is

> > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It has not

> gone up one

> > > bit since my last blood test 5 months ago. I have

> been on

> > > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> > >

> > > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex drive. I

> have not

> > > had much ED issue. Feels like I have permanent

> mononuclesis

> > > which I was diagonosed with 10 years ago.

> > >

> > > An support you can provide would be appreciated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Welcome also, Phil do fun things today! Take a break from helping us and

enjoy!!!!!

Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

Hi Charlie and Welcome,

To save you money and see the best I would drive to see Dr.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/newpt.html

you only need to see him once the rest he can do by phone or Email. I am sure

the cost is a lot less and men fly in from all over the world to see him.

Here is a link to his forum.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

All TRT for men is bioidential Dr.'s and even people that want to sell there

books us this word Bio. Testosterone is made from yams.

You need to go to Dr. 's forum and read the Sticky TRT: A Recipe for

Success in this are the labs you need and why. Plus if you can get copy's of

your old labs Dr. can use them to save you money.

Plus you can order your labs from this site for a lot less cost.

http://www.lef.org/BloodTest/

When your at Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com Dr. Crisler is offering a

complimentary 12-month subscription to Life Extension magazine.

If you get this subscription when you order your labs they will offer you a

lower price to join there club. So if you get your labs from them your cost will

be a lot less.

As for BodyLogicMD I don't pay much mind to them kinds of clinics they are a

hug all over the place and most

[The entire original message is not included]

[Guest guest]

Phil,

You are the best. thanks for the recommendation. I read Dr. Crisler's website

and articles to understand things better about 2 months ago and reread them the

other day. I talked to my girlfriend about it and she even read the articles

because she's very into hormones and how they effect the body. She had problems

for years and did research to find the right doctor too. If she can drive 2

hours for her doctor so can I. I signed up for Life Extension last week.

Thanks again for all your dedication to helping people like me. It's people like

you that inspire me to pay it forward too.

> > >

> > > > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@>

> > > > Subject: New to the site: Low

> > Test, What to Do?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:45 PM

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I just got back my most recent blood test and my

> > total is

> > > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It has not

> > gone up one

> > > > bit since my last blood test 5 months ago. I have

> > been on

> > > > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> > > >

> > > > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex drive. I

> > have not

> > > > had much ED issue. Feels like I have permanent

> > mononuclesis

> > > > which I was diagonosed with 10 years ago.

> > > >

> > > > An support you can provide would be appreciated.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Charlie your Welcome and saying this made a very bad day a good one. Keep us

posted how your doing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Charlie Sheets <buckeye8084@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 3:11 PM

> Phil,

>

> You are the best. thanks for the recommendation. I read Dr.

> Crisler's website and articles to understand things better

> about 2 months ago and reread them the other day. I talked

> to my girlfriend about it and she even read the articles

> because she's very into hormones and how they effect the

> body. She had problems for years and did research to find

> the right doctor too. If she can drive 2 hours for her

> doctor so can I. I signed up for Life Extension last week.

>

> Thanks again for all your dedication to helping people like

> me. It's people like you that inspire me to pay it forward

> too.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > Subject: New to the

> site: Low

> > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010,

> 4:45 PM

> > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just got back my most recent blood

> test and my

> > > total is

> > > > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> has not

> > > gone up one

> > > > > bit since my last blood test 5 months

> ago. I have

> > > been on

> > > > > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> > > > >

> > > > > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex

> drive. I

> > > have not

> > > > > had much ED issue. Feels like I have

> permanent

> > > mononuclesis

> > > > > which I was diagonosed with 10 years

> ago.

> > > > >

> > > > > An support you can provide would be

> appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys,

Well since I've been I drove up and had my consultation with Dr. Crisler. The

consult went great. I spent about hour and fifteen minutes with him and felt

great about moving forward with someone who can help me. By the way he has this

little chiuaua rescue dog named Tox. He is the cutest little thing.

Ok back to topic. I did a 24 hour urine analysis and a complete blood test. The

urine results wont be available until next Monday. Here are the blood results

though.

reference interval

LH 1.7 mIU/ml 1.7-8.6

FSH 1.1 miU/ml 1.2-12.4

Test Total 333 ng/dl 249-836

Free Test 8.4 pg/ml 8.7-25.1

SHBG 27.7 nmol/L 14.5-48.4

Some other interesting test results:

Glucose,serum 104 65-69

This is showing prediabetic. I cross referenced this with a symptom of

hyperthyroidism which for some reason the doc didn't chose to initially check.

Cholesterol, Total 248 100-199

I eat a pretty low fat diet and I'm 6'1 and about 185 so I don't carry alot of

excess fat around so this might be something genetic as my dad is on cholesterol

pills but he is obese and eats terribly.

WBC 3.8 4-10.5

Third time in a year my WBC has been down.

I'm patiently waiting to hear from Dr. Crisler on the course of action but it

appears I have secondary hypogonadism. I have felt awful for years and I'm

excited to know I am closer to figuring this out and getting my life back.

Thank you guys for reading and listening. If you have any comments concerning my

issue I'd be more than happy to hear from you.

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > Subject: New to the

> > site: Low

> > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010,

> > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just got back my most recent blood

> > test and my

> > > > total is

> > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > has not

> > > > gone up one

> > > > > > bit since my last blood test 5 months

> > ago. I have

> > > > been on

> > > > > > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex

> > drive. I

> > > > have not

> > > > > > had much ED issue. Feels like I have

> > permanent

> > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > which I was diagonosed with 10 years

> > ago.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > An support you can provide would be

> > appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Charlie,

This is great news you seen him yes he is great and I never seen him he saved my

life talking to me on the forums. I was on TRT 23 yr being told I am Primary

meaning my testis don't work. He sent me a post to help me get my Dr. to let me

try HCG. Here is a copy of it.

===================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

---------------------------------------------------

My Dr. read this put me on HCG after 15 shots we did labs and my TT levels went

from 600 to 1200 so my testis work and I am Secondary but from a head injury due

to an Auto Accident.

I must tell you if Dr. did not tell you don't post what he is doing to

treat you keep it general or if he sees you talking in detail about what he is

doing to treat you he will get dam mad.

What he dose for you is for you and might not work on others. If you post what

he is doing for you others will try it. And if it dose not work they then go on

the forums talking about him like a dog.

If men are seeing a Dr. and want him to go over there labs and treatment he will

do this over the phone or by Email. They don't even need to see him but it's

not free.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Charlie Sheets <buckeye8084@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:48 PM

> Hi Guys,

>

> Well since I've been I drove up and had my consultation

> with Dr. Crisler. The consult went great. I spent about hour

> and fifteen minutes with him and felt great about moving

> forward with someone who can help me. By the way he has this

> little chiuaua rescue dog named Tox. He is the cutest little

> thing.

>

> Ok back to topic. I did a 24 hour urine analysis and a

> complete blood test. The urine results wont be available

> until next Monday. Here are the blood results though.

>

>                

>            reference

> interval

> LH         1.7 mIU/ml 

>        1.7-8.6

> FSH        1.1 miU/ml   

>      1.2-12.4

> Test Total 333 ng/dl         

> 249-836

> Free Test  8.4 pg/ml         

> 8.7-25.1

> SHBG       27.7 nmol/L 

>       14.5-48.4

>

> Some other interesting test results:

> Glucose,serum 104         

>    65-69

>

> This is showing prediabetic. I cross referenced this with a

> symptom of hyperthyroidism which for some reason the doc

> didn't chose to initially check.

>

> Cholesterol, Total 248        100-199

>

> I eat a pretty low fat diet and I'm 6'1 and about 185 so I

> don't carry alot of excess fat around so this might be

> something genetic as my dad is on cholesterol pills but he

> is obese and eats terribly.

>

> WBC 3.8             

>         4-10.5

>

> Third time in a year my WBC has been down.

>

> I'm patiently waiting to hear from Dr. Crisler on the

> course of action but it appears I have secondary

> hypogonadism. I have felt awful for years and I'm excited to

> know I am closer to figuring this out and getting my life

> back.

>

> Thank you guys for reading and listening. If you have any

> comments concerning my issue I'd be more than happy to hear

> from you.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: cjsheets24

> <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > Subject: New

> to the

> > > site: Low

> > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 10,

> 2010,

> > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just got back my most

> recent blood

> > > test and my

> > > > > total is

> > > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6

> pg/ml. It

> > > has not

> > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > bit since my last blood test

> 5 months

> > > ago. I have

> > > > > been on

> > > > > > > 5mg of Androgel since the

> first test.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Symptoms - Extremely low

> energy and sex

> > > drive. I

> > > > > have not

> > > > > > > had much ED issue. Feels like

> I have

> > > permanent

> > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > which I was diagonosed with

> 10 years

> > > ago.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > An support you can provide

> would be

> > > appreciated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I was just curious if anyone else on the site has what appears to be secondary

hypo like my blood tests appears to be and what course of action did your doctor

take?

Test and hcg?

hcg only?

Clomid?

Whatever it is I'm interested in hearing and what your results have been?

Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > Subject: New to the

> > > site: Low

> > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010,

> > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just got back my most recent blood

> > > test and my

> > > > > total is

> > > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > has not

> > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > bit since my last blood test 5 months

> > > ago. I have

> > > > > been on

> > > > > > > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex

> > > drive. I

> > > > > have not

> > > > > > > had much ED issue. Feels like I have

> > > permanent

> > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > which I was diagonosed with 10 years

> > > ago.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > An support you can provide would be

> > > appreciated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Charlie, have you discussed your diet with Dr C? Our bodies need enough of

the right type of dietary fat for various reasons, including to make

hormones. I figure your doctor will be able to help on that if you've got

questions.

High cholesterol is a sign of hypothyroid, by the way.

-Nigel

On 2 March 2011 15:48, Charlie Sheets <buckeye8084@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Guys,

>

> Well since I've been I drove up and had my consultation with Dr. Crisler.

> The consult went great. I spent about hour and fifteen minutes with him and

> felt great about moving forward with someone who can help me. By the way he

> has this little chiuaua rescue dog named Tox. He is the cutest little thing.

>

> Ok back to topic. I did a 24 hour urine analysis and a complete blood test.

> The urine results wont be available until next Monday. Here are the blood

> results though.

>

> reference interval

> LH 1.7 mIU/ml 1.7-8.6

> FSH 1.1 miU/ml 1.2-12.4

> Test Total 333 ng/dl 249-836

> Free Test 8.4 pg/ml 8.7-25.1

> SHBG 27.7 nmol/L 14.5-48.4

>

> Some other interesting test results:

> Glucose,serum 104 65-69

>

> This is showing prediabetic. I cross referenced this with a symptom of

> hyperthyroidism which for some reason the doc didn't chose to initially

> check.

>

> Cholesterol, Total 248 100-199

>

> I eat a pretty low fat diet and I'm 6'1 and about 185 so I don't carry alot

> of excess fat around so this might be something genetic as my dad is on

> cholesterol pills but he is obese and eats terribly.

>

> WBC 3.8 4-10.5

>

> Third time in a year my WBC has been down.

>

> I'm patiently waiting to hear from Dr. Crisler on the course of action but

> it appears I have secondary hypogonadism. I have felt awful for years and

> I'm excited to know I am closer to figuring this out and getting my life

> back.

>

> Thank you guys for reading and listening. If you have any comments

> concerning my issue I'd be more than happy to hear from you.

>

[Guest guest]

Charlie,

I am Secondary but I was on TRT 23 yrs before Dr. helped me to figure out

this on the forums. I do know he likes to treat most men with TRT and HCG he

starts out with compounded gels everyday and has his men do 250 IU's of HCG

every 3 days.

Yet I know some men that do HCG only one guy sees Dr. Shippen and dose 60 IU's

of HCG everyday. And uses Indolplex/DIM to keep his Estradiol E2 levels down

here are some links to his works.

I first met Z here at this forum many yrs. ago.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/david-z-s-primer-134235700.html

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/david-z-s-primer-134235701.html

The above is old but still dam good.

I do shots every 3 days and use HCG the day before my Test C shot. I read some

yrs. ago Dr. Shippen does this to his self. He did the book " The Testosterone

Syndrome " . This book is very good but dated in his book he was down on shots

yet now he does them to his self.

One more dam good book just out is Testosteone: A Man's Guilde.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dhpc & field-keywords=Tes\

tosterone%3A+A+Man%27s+Guide

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Charlie Sheets <buckeye8084@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 4:51 PM

> I was just curious if anyone else on

> the site has what appears to be  secondary hypo like my

> blood tests appears to be and what course of action did your

> doctor take?

>

> Test and hcg?

> hcg only?

> Clomid?

>

> Whatever it is I'm interested in hearing and what your

> results have been?

>

> Thanks

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: cjsheets24

> <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > Subject:

> New to the

> > > > site: Low

> > > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday,

> November 10, 2010,

> > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just got back my most

> recent blood

> > > > test and my

> > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my free is

> 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > has not

> > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > bit since my last blood

> test 5 months

> > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > 5mg of Androgel since

> the first test.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Symptoms - Extremely low

> energy and sex

> > > > drive. I

> > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > had much ED issue. Feels

> like I have

> > > > permanent

> > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > which I was diagonosed

> with 10 years

> > > > ago.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > An support you can

> provide would be

> > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

So, my doctor reviewed my blood work and has prescribed 60mg test cyp a week and

250IU hcg twice a week. I ordered the scripts and I'm waiting anxiously to get

started. He said I could try a restart with Clomid if I wanted to, but

recommeneded TRT.

What I am having trouble with is 24 hour urine test results hadn't come in yet

and we still moved forward. I would have thought with me being secondary that

those results with be very important. I am concerned about the reason I'm

secondary. I am concerned about being potentially hyperthyroid (he didn't have

thyroid tested) or having adrenal issues. Could I have pituitary tumor?

I was so excited to be going to a doctor who was at the forefront of these

issues and I feel letdown that more expertise wasn't used.

I am very concerned. Am I over-reacting or should I have a right to be? He is my

doctor, but who am I to question him?

Help!!! Please!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: cjsheets24 <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > Subject: New to the

> > > > site: Low

> > > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010,

> > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just got back my most recent blood

> > > > test and my

> > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > has not

> > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > bit since my last blood test 5 months

> > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > 5mg of Androgel since the first test.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Symptoms - Extremely low energy and sex

> > > > drive. I

> > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > had much ED issue. Feels like I have

> > > > permanent

> > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > which I was diagonosed with 10 years

> > > > ago.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > An support you can provide would be

> > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Charlie,

It's very hard to help you if we can't see your labs.

So lets say it this way your Dr. did labs your Total Testosterone came back very

low if he also tested your LH an FSH and this was low it looks like your

Secondary but Estraidol can do this to labs so you need this tested also. Here

is what happens when Estraidol levels are very high it will look to your brain

like it's high Testosterone because Estraidol is made from Testosterone and your

brain can't tell the diff. between high Estraidol and high Testosterone. So

seeing high levels of Estradiol your brain will think it's Testosterone and slow

down sending LH and FSH so your labs look like your Secondary.

All that is needed when this happens is to take a med to lower your Estradiol

when it comes down to about 20 pg/ml redo your labs your TT levels can come back

up and your LH and FSH levels with it.

If not then you are Secondary and need an MRI on you Pituitary to rule out a

tumor.

Here is a link about this but in older men I still see this happen to younger

men.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Charlie Sheets <buckeye8084@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:15 PM

> So, my doctor reviewed my blood work

> and has prescribed 60mg test cyp a week and 250IU hcg twice

> a week. I ordered the scripts and I'm waiting anxiously to

> get started. He said I could try a restart with Clomid if I

> wanted to, but recommeneded TRT.

>

> What I am having trouble with is 24 hour urine test results

> hadn't come in yet and we still moved forward. I would have

> thought with me being secondary that those results with be

> very important. I am concerned about the reason I'm

> secondary. I am concerned about being potentially

> hyperthyroid (he didn't have thyroid tested) or having

> adrenal issues. Could I have pituitary tumor?

>

> I was so excited to be going to a doctor who was at the

> forefront of these issues and I feel letdown that more

> expertise wasn't used.

>

> I am very concerned. Am I over-reacting or should I have a

> right to be? He is my doctor, but who am I to question him?

>

> Help!!! Please!!!

>

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: cjsheets24

> <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject:

> New to the

> > > > > site: Low

> > > > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday,

> November 10, 2010,

> > > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I just got back my

> most recent blood

> > > > > test and my

> > > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my

> free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > > has not

> > > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > > bit since my last

> blood test 5 months

> > > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > > 5mg of Androgel

> since the first test.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Symptoms -

> Extremely low energy and sex

> > > > > drive. I

> > > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > had much ED issue.

> Feels like I have

> > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > > which I was

> diagonosed with 10 years

> > > > > ago.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > An support you can

> provide would be

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

>    

-fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I gave my available bloodwork lab results in a reply below but they didn't show

very well. Here they are again. Numbers on the right are reference ranges.

TT 333 249-836

Free 8.4 8.7-25.1

LH 1.7 1.7-8.6

FS 1.1 1.5-12.4

SHBG 27.7 14.5-48.4

Some other labs of concern to me.

Glucose 104 = Prediabetic

Total Cholesterol 248 High

LDL 175 High

WBC 3.8 low

I'm waiting to get results for this.

Rhein Labs " Complete 24-Hour Urine Steroid Hormone Profile " :

1.Estrone

2.2-Hydroxyestrone

3.16a-Hydroxyestrone

4.4-Hydroxyestrone

5.Estradiol (E2)

6.Estriol (E3)

7.Testosterone (T)

8.Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)

9.Androstanediol

10.Androstenedione

11.DHEA

12.Androstenetriol (5-AT)

13.Androsterone (AN)

14.11B-Hydroxy-Androsterone (11bOH-AN)

15.Etiocholanolone (ET)

16.11B-Hydroxy-Etiocholanolone (11bOH-ET)

17.not Progesterone (results always say " not detectable in urine " )

18.Pregnanediol (PD)

19.5-Pregnenetriol(5-PT)

20.Cortisone (E)

21.Tetrahydrocortisone (THE)

22.Tetrahydrocorticosterone (THB)

23.5a-Tetrahydrocorticosterone (5a-THB)

24.Tetrahydro-11-dehydrocorticosterone (THA)

25.Cortisol (F)

26.Tetrahydrocortisol (THF)

27.5a-TetrahydrocortisoI (5a-THF)

Thank you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: cjsheets24

> > <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > New to the

> > > > > > site: Low

> > > > > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday,

> > November 10, 2010,

> > > > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I just got back my

> > most recent blood

> > > > > > test and my

> > > > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my

> > free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > > > bit since my last

> > blood test 5 months

> > > > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > > > 5mg of Androgel

> > since the first test.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Symptoms -

> > Extremely low energy and sex

> > > > > > drive. I

> > > > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > had much ED issue.

> > Feels like I have

> > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > > > which I was

> > diagonosed with 10 years

> > > > > > ago.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > An support you can

> > provide would be

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > Links

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃÆ'‚  ÃÆ'‚ 

-fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

I didn't get the link you were talking about. I very much would like to read it.

Also, why didn't my doc tell me what you told me or tell me to wait until he

received the total steroid profile before starting treatment.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From: cjsheets24

> > > <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > New to the

> > > > > > > site: Low

> > > > > > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday,

> > > November 10, 2010,

> > > > > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I just got back my

> > > most recent blood

> > > > > > > test and my

> > > > > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > > > > 253 ng/dl and my

> > > free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > > > > bit since my last

> > > blood test 5 months

> > > > > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > > > > 5mg of Androgel

> > > since the first test.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Symptoms -

> > > Extremely low energy and sex

> > > > > > > drive. I

> > > > > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > > had much ED issue.

> > > Feels like I have

> > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > > > > which I was

> > > diagonosed with 10 years

> > > > > > > ago.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > An support you can

> > > provide would be

> > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Links

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃÆ'‚  ÃÆ'‚ 

-fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Charlie,

Your labs look like your Secondary but without the Estradiol test if your

Estradiol levels are high labs can look like your Secondary. My Dr. will not do

24 hr urine labs for hormones he says they only show what your body is dumping

and they are Free's.

Even my BCBS will not cover the cost for them and I see a lot of them labs at

Dr. 's forum and not being a Dr. I can't tell what they mean. Hard tells me

they are good labs when your on TRT they show what is going on. But you need a

dam good Hormone Dr. that knows how to read them.

Lets say your Cortisol levels come back high at the top of the range. This says

nothing about what your body is doing Cortisol levels start out very high first

thing in the morning. Going down by bedtime if your Urine labs look high or OK

you can still have a problem. Doing a 4x's in a day Saliva test show what your

rhythm is doing you might be very high at night when you need to be lower.

Higher levels at night keep you from sleeping good.

Here is a link about how the Testosterone in your body works and most good Dr.'s

dose your T meds by blood labs testing Total Testosterone you need good levels

for all this to work.

I don't feel you have high Estradiol levels going by your SHBG levels at 27 but

you still need to check it. I did an MRI on my Pituitary it came back clean.

Yet my Pituitary is bad dose not work right due to a head injury from an Auto

Accident some 30 yrs ago. It took me 23 yrs to figure all this out being on TRT

all them yrs not feeling 100%.

Dr.'s look at my labs seeing them in the low normal rage telling me I am fine.

This is a big problem with Dr.'s when someone has a mess of labs in the low

normal range it's a Red Flag going up.

So when we figured out I am Hypopituitary and started treating my low Cortisol,

Thyroid, Ferritin Iron, Aldosterone and plasma renin levels I started feeling

better. Even my Growth Horomens were low but I can't take GH meds I hold water

big time I can't feel things with my hands and feet.

It would do you good to read my Story so you can see why I say men need good

Dr.'s.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Charlie Sheets <buckeye8084@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 7:57 PM

> I gave my available bloodwork lab

> results in a reply below but they didn't show very well.

> Here they are again. Numbers on the right are reference

> ranges.

>

> TT 333 249-836

> Free 8.4 8.7-25.1

> LH 1.7 1.7-8.6

> FS 1.1 1.5-12.4

> SHBG 27.7 14.5-48.4

>

> Some other labs of concern to me.

>

> Glucose 104 = Prediabetic   

> Total Cholesterol 248 High

> LDL 175 High

> WBC 3.8 low

>

> I'm waiting to get results for this.

>

> Rhein Labs " Complete 24-Hour Urine Steroid Hormone

> Profile " :

>

> 1.Estrone

> 2.2-Hydroxyestrone

> 3.16a-Hydroxyestrone

> 4.4-Hydroxyestrone

> 5.Estradiol (E2)

> 6.Estriol (E3)

> 7.Testosterone (T)

> 8.Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)

> 9.Androstanediol

> 10.Androstenedione

> 11.DHEA

> 12.Androstenetriol (5-AT)

> 13.Androsterone (AN)

> 14.11B-Hydroxy-Androsterone (11bOH-AN)

> 15.Etiocholanolone (ET)

> 16.11B-Hydroxy-Etiocholanolone (11bOH-ET)

> 17.not Progesterone (results always say " not detectable in

> urine " )

> 18.Pregnanediol (PD)

> 19.5-Pregnenetriol(5-PT)

> 20.Cortisone (E)

> 21.Tetrahydrocortisone (THE)

> 22.Tetrahydrocorticosterone (THB)

> 23.5a-Tetrahydrocorticosterone (5a-THB)

> 24.Tetrahydro-11-dehydrocorticosterone (THA)

> 25.Cortisol (F)

> 26.Tetrahydrocortisol (THF)

> 27.5a-TetrahydrocortisoI (5a-THF)

>

> Thank you.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From:

> cjsheets24

> > > <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > New to the

> > > > > > > site: Low

> > > > > > > > > Test, What to Do?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> Wednesday,

> > > November 10, 2010,

> > > > > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> everyone,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I just

> got back my

> > > most recent blood

> > > > > > > test and my

> > > > > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > > > > 253 ng/dl

> and my

> > > free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > > > > bit since

> my last

> > > blood test 5 months

> > > > > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > > > > 5mg of

> Androgel

> > > since the first test.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Symptoms

> -

> > > Extremely low energy and sex

> > > > > > > drive. I

> > > > > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > > had much

> ED issue.

> > > Feels like I have

> > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > > > > which I

> was

> > > diagonosed with 10 years

> > > > > > > ago.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > An

> support you can

> > > provide would be

> > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> Groups

> > > Links

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> ÃÆ'‚ 

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[Guest guest]

I think he sees more then what we are talking about what I see in your labs I

don't feel with your ever low LH and FSH you will recover and not need TRT.  So

I think he is try to give you some releafe.

Sorry the link did not show up.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

If you don't have kids and want them later have your sperm tested if it's good

have some forzen for a back up.  Some times men on TRT can't make a baby not

all men but it happens.

Here is a good link about your hormones and one about how Testosterone works in

your body.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

http://tinyurl.com/4fdks6m

In the following link it's about women becoming men still it's full of dam good

info about using T meds and shows all the diff. kinds.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html#cypionate

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Charlie Sheets <buckeye8084@...>

> Subject: Re: New to the site: Low Test, What to Do?

>

> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 8:01 PM

> Hi Phil,

>

> I didn't get the link you were talking about. I very much

> would like to read it.

>

> Also, why didn't my doc tell me what you told me or tell me

> to wait until he received the total steroid profile before

> starting treatment.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> From: cjsheets24

> > > > <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Subject:

> > > > New to the

> > > > > > > > site: Low

> > > > > > > > > > Test, What to

> Do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > To:

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Date: Wednesday,

> > > > November 10, 2010,

> > > > > > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> everyone,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> just got back my

> > > > most recent blood

> > > > > > > > test and my

> > > > > > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > > > > > 253

> ng/dl and my

> > > > free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > > > > > bit

> since my last

> > > > blood test 5 months

> > > > > > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5mg

> of Androgel

> > > > since the first test.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Symptoms -

> > > > Extremely low energy and sex

> > > > > > > > drive. I

> > > > > > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > > > had

> much ED issue.

> > > > Feels like I have

> > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> which I was

> > > > diagonosed with 10 years

> > > > > > > > ago.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > An

> support you can

> > > > provide would be

> > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > Links

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> ÃÆ'‚ 

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I got my urine labs results today and it's not good.

He said on a 45-85 scale for testosterone I'm 30.

Also my DHEA levels are as low as he has ever seen at 4.7

And the kicker is it looks like I have adrenal fatigue.

I am starting to get overwhelmed with all the different issues I'm having.

Anybody has good experience with DHEA? I don't know if I will go with a

compounded transdermal or over the counter supplements. This is starting to get

more expensive by the day, but I have to do it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > From: cjsheets24

> > > > > <cjsheets24@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Subject:

> > > > > New to the

> > > > > > > > > site: Low

> > > > > > > > > > > Test, What to

> > Do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Date: Wednesday,

> > > > > November 10, 2010,

> > > > > > > > > 4:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> > everyone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > just got back my

> > > > > most recent blood

> > > > > > > > > test and my

> > > > > > > > > > > total is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 253

> > ng/dl and my

> > > > > free is 7.6 pg/ml. It

> > > > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > > > gone up one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bit

> > since my last

> > > > > blood test 5 months

> > > > > > > > > ago. I have

> > > > > > > > > > > been on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5mg

> > of Androgel

> > > > > since the first test.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Symptoms -

> > > > > Extremely low energy and sex

> > > > > > > > > drive. I

> > > > > > > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > much ED issue.

> > > > > Feels like I have

> > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > mononuclesis

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > which I was

> > > > > diagonosed with 10 years

> > > > > > > > > ago.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > An

> > support you can

> > > > > provide would be

> > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

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> >

> > > > > Links

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

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