Re: Re: still getting heart palps from aromasin and/or arimidex

[Guest guest]

does your estrogen also rebound quickly? I take 12.5 mg of Aromasin EOD and

by the time I need my next dose, I can tell that my E2 levels are in full

swing. However, can't take it ED for fear of a heart attack.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, <redwingnuts@...> wrote:

>

>

> Some of us respond differently to meds. I tend to get a quicker but

> shorter response to meds than most. I split my Adex dose in half and

> take them 5 hours apart to eliminate the rapid E2 drop and the creepy

> feeling it gives me. Give this a try. I metabolise meds fast and require

> higher and more frequent dosing to get the typical effect. This applies

> to Novicane, ritalin, test cyp. and gel, etc. I think your E2 levels are

> probably plummeting too quick like mine do.

>

>

--

*Mike*

[Guest guest]

Good point this can be true with Arimidex and Aromasin if it's bring one down

very fast your going to feel like crap. Big fast changes in hormones will do

this make you feel like crap.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: redwingnuts@... <redwingnuts@...>

> Subject: Re: still getting heart palps from aromasin and/or

arimidex

>

> Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 3:38 PM

> Some of us respond differently to

> meds. I tend to get a quicker but

> shorter response to meds than most. I split my Adex dose in

> half and

> take them 5 hours apart to eliminate the rapid E2 drop and

> the creepy

> feeling it gives me. Give this a try. I metabolise meds

> fast and require

> higher and more frequent dosing to get the typical effect.

> This applies

> to Novicane, ritalin, test cyp. and gel, etc. I think your

> E2 levels are

> probably plummeting too quick like mine do.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think what your feeling it going to low I can't take 12.5 mgs of Aromasin

every other day been doing it every 3 to 4 days I feel better every 4 days. I

have yet to meet anyone that had more of a problem with Estradiol then I have.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > Some of us respond differently to meds. I tend to get

> a quicker but

> > shorter response to meds than most. I split my Adex

> dose in half and

> > take them 5 hours apart to eliminate the rapid E2 drop

> and the creepy

> > feeling it gives me. Give this a try. I metabolise

> meds fast and require

> > higher and more frequent dosing to get the typical

> effect. This applies

> > to Novicane, ritalin, test cyp. and gel, etc. I think

> your E2 levels are

> > probably plummeting too quick like mine do.

> > 

> >

>

>

>

> --

> *Mike*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I've been taking pregnenalone and 5 mg of HC at bedtime for quit some time,

and I still have too much E2. So, his theory is proven false by me I guess.

I take 12.5 EOD because by the time noon rolls around on the second day (the

day after my last dose), I feel like crap and need to take aromasin.

However, it sends my BP into 150/100 almost every time so I am fixing one

problem but creating another very serious one.

Unfortnately, I think you finally met someone who has worse E2 issues than

you.

I'll talk to my doc ans see what he says but I'm guessing he'll have no clue

since he's had no clue up to this point.

Thanks again,

Mike

A bit irritable from the hormones, so my apology if this comes off a bit

hostile.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:10 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> I think what your feeling it going to low I can't take 12.5 mgs of Aromasin

> every other day been doing it every 3 to 4 days I feel better every 4 days.

> I have yet to meet anyone that had more of a problem with Estradiol then I

> have.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Some of us respond differently to meds. I tend to get

> > a quicker but

> > > shorter response to meds than most. I split my Adex

> > dose in half and

> > > take them 5 hours apart to eliminate the rapid E2 drop

> > and the creepy

> > > feeling it gives me. Give this a try. I metabolise

> > meds fast and require

> > > higher and more frequent dosing to get the typical

> > effect. This applies

> > > to Novicane, ritalin, test cyp. and gel, etc. I think

> > your E2 levels are

> > > probably plummeting too quick like mine do.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What do you take for your TRT I do Test C 80mgs every 3 days and I am doing 300

IU's of HCG the 2 days each before my Test C shot. My last test doing Aromasin

every 4 days was 21 pg/ml. Before this on Preg. cream I and doing Arimidex 1

mg. to 2 mgs. per day of generic Arimidex I was at 7. I was doing so much

Arimidex because I was rebounding so dam fast.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Some of us respond differently to meds. I

> tend to get

> > > a quicker but

> > > > shorter response to meds than most. I split

> my Adex

> > > dose in half and

> > > > take them 5 hours apart to eliminate the

> rapid E2 drop

> > > and the creepy

> > > > feeling it gives me. Give this a try. I

> metabolise

> > > meds fast and require

> > > > higher and more frequent dosing to get the

> typical

> > > effect. This applies

> > > > to Novicane, ritalin, test cyp. and gel,

> etc. I think

> > > your E2 levels are

> > > > probably plummeting too quick like mine do.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > *Mike*

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I take 50 mg Test C every 3 days and 150 IU's of HCG the day before my Test

C shot.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> What do you take for your TRT I do Test C 80mgs every 3 days and I am doing

> 300 IU's of HCG the 2 days each before my Test C shot. My last test doing

> Aromasin every 4 days was 21 pg/ml. Before this on Preg. cream I and doing

> Arimidex 1 mg. to 2 mgs. per day of generic Arimidex I was at 7. I was doing

> so much Arimidex because I was rebounding so dam fast.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of us respond differently to meds. I

> > tend to get

> > > > a quicker but

> > > > > shorter response to meds than most. I split

> > my Adex

> > > > dose in half and

> > > > > take them 5 hours apart to eliminate the

> > rapid E2 drop

> > > > and the creepy

> > > > > feeling it gives me. Give this a try. I

> > metabolise

> > > > meds fast and require

> > > > > higher and more frequent dosing to get the

> > typical

> > > > effect. This applies

> > > > > to Novicane, ritalin, test cyp. and gel,

> > etc. I think

> > > > your E2 levels are

> > > > > probably plummeting too quick like mine do.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *Mike*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I am at a loss as to why you feel like this taking a some thing to keep E2 down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some of us respond differently to

> meds. I

> > > tend to get

> > > > > a quicker but

> > > > > > shorter response to meds than

> most. I split

> > > my Adex

> > > > > dose in half and

> > > > > > take them 5 hours apart to

> eliminate the

> > > rapid E2 drop

> > > > > and the creepy

> > > > > > feeling it gives me. Give this a

> try. I

> > > metabolise

> > > > > meds fast and require

> > > > > > higher and more frequent dosing to

> get the

> > > typical

> > > > > effect. This applies

> > > > > > to Novicane, ritalin, test cyp.

> and gel,

> > > etc. I think

> > > > > your E2 levels are

> > > > > > probably plummeting too quick like

> mine do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > *Mike*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

If I were having really bad side effects from trying a couple AIs then I'd

have to eventually wonder if the problem were purely from the low estradiol

itself. Do you think it's possible you just go way too low at first? Perhaps

some of us use these drugs so quickly that we quite literally have no

estrogen in us for a time till the drug starts to wear off a bit. I

understand estradiol helps calm down the heart and so maybe loosing all of

it causes the heart symptoms.

This effect (going too low, but without almost any heart reaction) and the

rebound problem finally drove me off Arimidex. I can sympathise with the

alternatives being frustrating because DIM, the oft suggested supplement,

just doesn't do it for me on its own. Elevated aromatase seems to be most of

my problem and not just a flawed estrogen metabolism later on, which DIM

assists. I know I already mentioned it, but the grape seed extract is really

working for me and it seems to work as an aromatase inhibitor.

-Nigel

On 2 April 2011 08:42, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> I am at a loss as to why you feel like this taking a some thing to keep E2

> down.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I think what your feeling it going to low I

> > can't take

> > > > 12.5 mgs of Aromasin

> > > > > every other day been doing it every 3 to 4

> > days I feel

> > > > better every 4 days.

> > > > > I have yet to meet anyone that had more of a

> > problem

> > > > with Estradiol then I

> > > > > have.

> > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > Phil

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hear about aromasin...but isn't it dangerous because doesn't it permanently

block estrogen receptor sites and don't you still need to work somewhat?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I think what your feeling it going to low I

> > can't take

> > > > 12.5 mgs of Aromasin

> > > > > every other day been doing it every 3 to 4

> > days I feel

> > > > better every 4 days.

> > > > > I have yet to meet anyone that had more of a

> > problem

> > > > with Estradiol then I

> > > > > have.

> > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > Phil

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nigel,

You bring up a valid point - I may be going too low too quickly. I'll check

into the grape see extract on Monday and get back to you on that. Thanks

for the suggestion.

,

No, it is perfectly okay to take aromasin. What it does is bind the the gene

that makes aromatase and renders it permanently innefective. Your body will

just produce more aromatase genes to replace the damaged ones when it needs

to.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM, justin moyer <jtmoy19607@...> wrote:

>

>

> I hear about aromasin...but isn't it dangerous because doesn't it

> permanently block estrogen receptor sites and don't you still need to work

> somewhat?

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think what your feeling it going to low I

> > > can't take

> > > > > 12.5 mgs of Aromasin

> > > > > > every other day been doing it every 3 to 4

> > > days I feel

> > > > > better every 4 days.

> > > > > > I have yet to meet anyone that had more of a

> > > problem

> > > > > with Estradiol then I

> > > > > > have.

> > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > Phil

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aromasin kills Aromatase this is to me what's good about it. On Arimidex it

blocks it so as the Arimidex wares off you get this dam rebound effect.

You can end up on a roller coaster ride big time. High then low only to rebound

to high very fast.

Killing Aromatase stops this rebound effect and like all E2 meds if your take to

much of it and go to low for to long your going to be in trouble.

I keep telling men the dam E2 never stays the same from week to week so you need

to play with the dose.

Guys don't listen to this they try .25 mgs of Arimidex every 2 days and stay on

this. The they end up to low and post they are having problems on it.

You need to keep track of how your feeling when levels are to high so you know

your going up and need more. Also you keep to now how it feels going to low so

you know when you need to stop taking it until your levels come back up. When

they do you need to use less. Simple.

I went to low on DIM ended up only using half a tab.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think what your feeling it going

> to low I

> > > can't take

> > > > > 12.5 mgs of Aromasin

> > > > > > every other day been doing it

> every 3 to 4

> > > days I feel

> > > > > better every 4 days.

> > > > > > I have yet to meet anyone that had

> more of a

> > > problem

> > > > > with Estradiol then I

> > > > > > have.

> > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > Phil

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wise words phil - thanks.

Mike

On Apr 3, 2011 8:46 AM, " philip georgian " <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Aromasin kills Aromatase this is to me what's good about it. On Arimidex it

blocks it so as the Arimidex wares off you get this dam rebound effect.

You can end up on a roller coaster ride big time. High then low only to

rebound to high very fast.

Killing Aromatase stops this rebound effect and like all E2 meds if your

take to much of it and go to low for to long your going to be in trouble.

I keep telling men the dam E2 never stays the same from week to week so you

need to play with the dose.

Guys don't listen to this they try .25 mgs of Arimidex every 2 days and stay

on this. The they end up to low and post they are having problems on it.

You need to keep track of how your feeling when levels are to high so you

know your going up and need more. Also you keep to now how it feels going to

low so you know when you need to stop taking it until your levels come back

up. When they do you need to use less. Simple.

I went to low on DIM ended up only using half a tab.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: justin moyer <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: still getting heart palps from aromasin

and/or arimidex

> hyp...

> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 12:13 AM

> I hear about aromasin...but isn't it

> dangerous because doesn't it permanently block estrogen

> ...

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nigel,

What is the dose of grape seed extract?

THanks,

Mike

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Rouse

<michael.hugh.rouse@...>wrote:

> Wise words phil - thanks.

>

> Mike

>

> On Apr 3, 2011 8:46 AM, " philip georgian " <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Aromasin kills Aromatase this is to me what's good about it. On Arimidex it

> blocks it so as the Arimidex wares off you get this dam rebound effect.

>

> You can end up on a roller coaster ride big time. High then low only to

> rebound to high very fast.

>

> Killing Aromatase stops this rebound effect and like all E2 meds if your

> take to much of it and go to low for to long your going to be in trouble.

>

> I keep telling men the dam E2 never stays the same from week to week so you

> need to play with the dose.

>

> Guys don't listen to this they try .25 mgs of Arimidex every 2 days and

> stay on this. The they end up to low and post they are having problems on

> it.

>

> You need to keep track of how your feeling when levels are to high so you

> know your going up and need more. Also you keep to now how it feels going to

> low so you know when you need to stop taking it until your levels come back

> up. When they do you need to use less. Simple.

>

> I went to low on DIM ended up only using half a tab.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: justin moyer <jtmoy19607@...>

>

>

> > Subject: Re: Re: still getting heart palps from aromasin

> and/or arimidex

> > hyp...

> > Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 12:13 AM

>

>

> > I hear about aromasin...but isn't it

> > dangerous because doesn't it permanently block estrogen

> > ...

>

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

For general purposes, 1 mg per pound of body weight is suggested:

http://www.google.com/search?q=1+mg+per+pound+body+weight+grape+seed

But I'm going by how it controls estradiol. I was taking 120 mg and getting

some effect, but doubled to 240 mg and could tell this is really working and

I was able to lower DIM.

I haven't heard much about this working for aromatase. I'm just sharing my

experience, but maybe this wouldn't work so well for some. There is a study

that says it inhibits aromatase in a lab environment, though. And I also

just read this review regarding it giving a guy wood (second review):

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Pycnogenol-100-mg-60-Veggie-Caps/4128/?at=1\

& p=3 & sr=1 & fr=

Pycnogenol is basically a more expensive version of grape seed extract. I

take Olympian Labs brand.

-Nigel

On 3 April 2011 15:17, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> wrote:

> Nigel,

>

> What is the dose of grape seed extract?

>

> THanks,

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Another report regarding wood and GSE.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=15 & t=21066 & p=169581#p169572

-Nigel

On 3 April 2011 15:17, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> wrote:

> Nigel,

>

> What is the dose of grape seed extract?

>

> THanks,

>

> Mike

>