Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 When one has a severe candida overgrowth the candida interferes with the hormones balances and creates a natural progestorone which causes huge problems in women. It is really, in my experience, that the candida overgrowth is causing the hormone problems. I do address this in my book of Candida, which you can view an download from my web site www.environotics.com or www.mbsre-set.com. In my clinical experience all your problems are related to a gut imbalance, , and an electrical system that is not in harmony. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath ________________________________ From: IMS <imsinfo@...> candidiasis Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 1:50:53 PM Subject: DIM I wonder if somebody tried DIM? I was going to try but in my age 52 it is probably not a good idea bc estrogen should drop itself. My estrogen is too high according to saliva test and I belive so bc I have many related problems _ adenomyoma fibroid, otosclerosis and hot flashes. Some expert say hormone inbalace cause candida too. Though my blood test is different and showed very high progesterone instead I am still concern about estrogen too. I have red that too much of both can cause reflux and dismotility problems.When I took progesteron I had severe burning in esophasgus but it could be estrogen influence as it is increasing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I probably would try your supplements but all probiotics and enzymes burn my stomach and esophagus bc I have severe GERD though it is not acid reflux and had gastritis in the past. I was taking probiotics and candida enzymes for 1 year before that and it helped a lot. I am visiting chiro now and it helped a lot with congtipation and probably will help with electrical imbalaces. I am very sensitive to EMF and probably I need correction. > > When one has a severe candida overgrowth the candida interferes with the hormones balances and creates a natural progestorone which causes huge problems in women. It is really, in my experience, that the candida overgrowth is causing the hormone problems. I do address this in my book of Candida, which you can view an download from my web site www.environotics.com or www.mbsre-set.com. > > In my clinical experience all your problems are related to a gut imbalance, , and an electrical system that is not in harmony. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath > > > > > ________________________________ > From: IMS <imsinfo@...> > candidiasis > Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 1:50:53 PM > Subject: DIM > > > I wonder if somebody tried DIM? > I was going to try but in my age 52 it is probably not a good idea bc estrogen should drop itself. My estrogen is too high according to saliva test and I belive so bc I have many related problems _ adenomyoma fibroid, otosclerosis and hot flashes. Some expert say hormone inbalace cause candida too. > Though my blood test is different and showed very high progesterone instead I am still concern about estrogen too. I have red that too much of both can cause reflux and dismotility problems.When I took progesteron I had severe burning in esophasgus but it could be estrogen influence as it is increasing too. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 The guys on the web are having good luck with this brand but any brand with Indolplex in it will work take one tab at dinner. http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 Co-Moderator Phil > From: gviceman77@... <gviceman77@...> > Subject: DIM > > Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:04 PM > > Does anyone know the best or better brands of DIM for those > on Androgel? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Search for indoplex dim. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile DIM Hello, I'm just trying to find a website to purchase quality DIM. Can anyone recommend one? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hardasnails was looking for Indolplex/DIM he kept sending me links he found here is what I put together. ==================================================== ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...> > Subject: Re: DIM > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:23 PM > > Search for indoplex dim. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > DIM > > Hello, I'm just trying to find a website to purchase > quality DIM.   Can anyone recommend > one? Thanks > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: mikerizzo2007 <mikerizzo2007@...> > Subject: DIM > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:23 PM > Hello, I'm just trying to find > a website to purchase quality DIM.   Can > anyone recommend one? Thanks > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I am confused. Indoplex DIM is a trademark of Bioresponse. I went to the the BioResponse website and ordered some DIM and it came in capsules but it is somehow micronized. BioResponse.com does not seem to supply Indoplex on their website. None of this makes any sense to me. Do I need to oil this stuff also? > > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...> > > Subject: Re: DIM > > > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:23 PM > > > > Search for indoplex dim. > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > > DIM > > > > Hello, I'm just trying to find a website to purchase > > quality DIM.   Can anyone recommend > > one? Thanks > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I got DIM with Indolplex (60 tablets) from AllStarHealth.com one month ago. Paid $30 bucks in total, incluiding shippment. The product arrived 3 days after I ordered. > > Hello, I'm just trying to find a website to purchase quality DIM. Can anyone recommend one? Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Yes you have the wrong DIM Indolplex/DIM comes in tablets and gets past your stomach before it can be killed Bioresponse is a trade name they use or adding to the DIM caps some time ago but it's not the same just because it's called Bioresponse dose not mean it's the best. Open the caps pore into a spoon add some Olive oil and try it this way. It helps it from getting killed in the stomach. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Dale <etherial@...> > Subject: Re: DIM > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 8:23 PM > I am confused. >  Indoplex DIM is a trademark of Bioresponse. > I went to the the BioResponse website and ordered some DIM > and it came in capsules but it is somehow micronized. > BioResponse.com does not seem to supply Indoplex on their > website. > None of this makes any sense to me. > Do I need to oil this stuff also? > > > > > > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...> > > > Subject: Re: DIM > > > > > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:23 PM > > > > > > Search for indoplex dim. > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > > > > DIM > > > > > > Hello, I'm just trying to find a website to > purchase > > > quality DIM.   Can anyone recommend > > > one? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I went ahead and purchased Purerip. Thanks everyone > > > From: mikerizzo2007 <mikerizzo2007@...> > > Subject: DIM > > > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:23 PM > > Hello, I'm just trying to find > > a website to purchase quality DIM.   Can > > anyone recommend one? Thanks > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 I have a prescription for Arimidex to keep Testosterone from morphing into Estrogen in my body. I am not sure how ( or if ) DIM works.... that is whether it actually prevents the aromatisation of Testosterone into Estrogen, whether it somehow inactivates it, or whether it doesn’t really do either. If you can get the script from you Dr. , at least it is well established that Aromatase Inhibitors do in fact work. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Phil can you look at this link and tell me if this is the right DIM to buy? Thanks. http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40 & _trksid=p3907.m570.l1313 & _nkw=indoplex & _sacat=Se\ e-All-Categories From: pmgamer18@... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:18:11 -0700 Subject: RE: Re: now infertal, need help with getting sperm count up I use a pill cutter and cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor blade to cut the half in half works great. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...> > Subject: RE: Re: now infertal, need help with getting sperm count up > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:21 AM > > I'm just curious, how would it be possible to take 1/4 of a > Arimadex. It seems cutting it that fine would tend to > turn it into little crumbled dust. It is just as > effective if taken 1/2 twice a week? I guess that > would be a slightly lower dosage per week. But I like > the effects of Arimidex and want to maximize the usage > without bad effects. > > Thanks for any help on this. > > Bill > > > > > From: calvin1564@... > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:32:11 +0000 > Subject: Re: now infertal, need help with > getting sperm count up > > > > > > > Your mileage may vary, but your dosage for both TRT and > arimidex seems on the higher end. A good baseline (which > some men may find isn't enough, but it's a starting point) > is around 100 mg T per week and maybe 1/4 arimidex every > other day. Arimidex is potent and should be limited to 1 mg > per week total. If you overshoot on T, you get lots of > conversion to estradiol, so it's possible that you might be > able to reduce your dosage of arimidex if you reduced your > dosage of T. Plus, arimidex is expensive, so why take more > than you have to? > > The specific hormones that a) relate to sperm production > & decrease when using TRT are Luteinizing Hormone > (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). hCG is like LH, > whereas there is another one called Human Menopausal > Gonadotropin (hMG) which is like LH and FSH combined. I'm > not sure if trying these other hormones individually or in > conjunction might provide an increase in sperm without > triggering gout. Hope you find something that works. > > ~Xian > > > > > > I have been on testosterone since january. I have had > trouble with HCG giving me gout. I have stopped taking it > completely the last month and now my sperm count has gone > down to 2 million. It was 70 mil before starting TRT. > > > > I am trying to make a baby with my wife, The next step > is for her to take clomid, but I want to have my sperm count > up before that happens. > > > > I am a little fuzzy on doing a clomid restart. What > dosage and for how long? I am pretty sure I am secondary due > to multiple food allergies and diabetes. > > > > I also wonder about staying on a dose of clomid with > testosterone, and how much would that need to be? > > > > I am on 200mg a week of test, and arimidex 1/2 mg a > day > > > > The testosterone backed the diabetes off for the last > 9 months, but I will probably start taking glucophage this > week in an attempt to control the rising blood sugars. > > > > I know there is no easy answers, but it would be nice > to figure out all my options > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Yes that will work but only do 120 mgs or one tablet. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...> > > > Subject: RE: Re: now infertal, need > help with getting sperm count up > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:21 AM > > > > > > I'm just curious, how would it be possible to take 1/4 > of a > > > Arimadex. It seems cutting it that fine would > tend to > > > turn it into little crumbled dust. It is just > as > > > effective if taken 1/2 twice a week? I guess > that > > > would be a slightly lower dosage per week. But I > like > > > the effects of Arimidex and want to maximize the > usage > > > without bad effects. > > > > > > Thanks for any help on this. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: calvin1564@... > > > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:32:11 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: now infertal, need help > with > > > getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > Your mileage may vary, but your dosage for both TRT > and > > > arimidex seems on the higher end. A good baseline > (which > > > some men may find isn't enough, but it's a starting > point) > > > is around 100 mg T per week and maybe 1/4 arimidex > every > > > other day. Arimidex is potent and should be limited to > 1 mg > > > per week total. If you overshoot on T, you get lots > of > > > conversion to estradiol, so it's possible that you > might be > > > able to reduce your dosage of arimidex if you reduced > your > > > dosage of T. Plus, arimidex is expensive, so why take > more > > > than you have to? > > > > > > The specific hormones that a) relate to sperm > production > > > & decrease when using TRT are Luteinizing > Hormone > > > (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). hCG is > like LH, > > > whereas there is another one called Human Menopausal > > > Gonadotropin (hMG) which is like LH and FSH combined. > I'm > > > not sure if trying these other hormones individually > or in > > > conjunction might provide an increase in sperm > without > > > triggering gout. Hope you find something that works. > > > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been on testosterone since january. I have > had > > > trouble with HCG giving me gout. I have stopped taking > it > > > completely the last month and now my sperm count has > gone > > > down to 2 million. It was 70 mil before starting TRT. > > > > > > > > I am trying to make a baby with my wife, The next > step > > > is for her to take clomid, but I want to have my sperm > count > > > up before that happens. > > > > > > > > I am a little fuzzy on doing a clomid restart. > What > > > dosage and for how long? I am pretty sure I am > secondary due > > > to multiple food allergies and diabetes. > > > > > > > > I also wonder about staying on a dose of clomid > with > > > testosterone, and how much would that need to be? > > > > > > > > I am on 200mg a week of test, and arimidex 1/2 mg > a > > > day > > > > > > > > The testosterone backed the diabetes off for the > last > > > 9 months, but I will probably start taking glucophage > this > > > week in an attempt to control the rising blood > sugars. > > > > > > > > I know there is no easy answers, but it would be > nice > > > to figure out all my options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    > > >      > > >       > > >   > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Can you cut the 240 tablets in half and are the ultracaps as good as the tablets? Thanks. From: pmgamer18@... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:18:00 -0700 Subject: Re: RE: DIM Yes that will work but only do 120 mgs or one tablet. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...> > > > Subject: RE: Re: now infertal, need > help with getting sperm count up > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:21 AM > > > > > > I'm just curious, how would it be possible to take 1/4 > of a > > > Arimadex. It seems cutting it that fine would > tend to > > > turn it into little crumbled dust. It is just > as > > > effective if taken 1/2 twice a week? I guess > that > > > would be a slightly lower dosage per week. But I > like > > > the effects of Arimidex and want to maximize the > usage > > > without bad effects. > > > > > > Thanks for any help on this. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: calvin1564@... > > > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:32:11 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: now infertal, need help > with > > > getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your mileage may vary, but your dosage for both TRT > and > > > arimidex seems on the higher end. A good baseline > (which > > > some men may find isn't enough, but it's a starting > point) > > > is around 100 mg T per week and maybe 1/4 arimidex > every > > > other day. Arimidex is potent and should be limited to > 1 mg > > > per week total. If you overshoot on T, you get lots > of > > > conversion to estradiol, so it's possible that you > might be > > > able to reduce your dosage of arimidex if you reduced > your > > > dosage of T. Plus, arimidex is expensive, so why take > more > > > than you have to? > > > > > > The specific hormones that a) relate to sperm > production > > > & decrease when using TRT are Luteinizing > Hormone > > > (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). hCG is > like LH, > > > whereas there is another one called Human Menopausal > > > Gonadotropin (hMG) which is like LH and FSH combined. > I'm > > > not sure if trying these other hormones individually > or in > > > conjunction might provide an increase in sperm > without > > > triggering gout. Hope you find something that works. > > > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been on testosterone since january. I have > had > > > trouble with HCG giving me gout. I have stopped taking > it > > > completely the last month and now my sperm count has > gone > > > down to 2 million. It was 70 mil before starting TRT. > > > > > > > > I am trying to make a baby with my wife, The next > step > > > is for her to take clomid, but I want to have my sperm > count > > > up before that happens. > > > > > > > > I am a little fuzzy on doing a clomid restart. > What > > > dosage and for how long? I am pretty sure I am > secondary due > > > to multiple food allergies and diabetes. > > > > > > > > I also wonder about staying on a dose of clomid > with > > > testosterone, and how much would that need to be? > > > > > > > > I am on 200mg a week of test, and arimidex 1/2 mg > a > > > day > > > > > > > > The testosterone backed the diabetes off for the > last > > > 9 months, but I will probably start taking glucophage > this > > > week in an attempt to control the rising blood > sugars. > > > > > > > > I know there is no easy answers, but it would be > nice > > > to figure out all my options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Bill, That is double the size I am taking, 120mg but I am taking two most of the time so it would be the same taking one of those. Let us know how it works for you? It works out cheaper than what I just ordered. http://www.topbrandvitamins.com/estrobalance-with-dim-60-tabs-by-enzymatic-thera\ py.html I ordered 4 but I still not sure if they are going to give me both the %5 discount (over $99) and the free shipping(over $79). There order form was rather confusing and wouldn't let you put in both discounts at the same time so I wrote them a note asking for them both. We will see what happens. Before I ordered from: http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-Mens-Health RE: RE: DIM > > Can you cut the 240 tablets in half and are the ultracaps as good as the > tablets? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 It says on the link I read that the does was 2 tablets 120 mgs each. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: now infertal, > need > > > help with getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just curious, how would it be possible to > take 1/4 > > > of a > > > > > > > Arimadex. It seems cutting it that fine > would > > > tend to > > > > > > > turn it into little crumbled dust. It is > just > > > as > > > > > > > effective if taken 1/2 twice a week? I > guess > > > that > > > > > > > would be a slightly lower dosage per week. > But I > > > like > > > > > > > the effects of Arimidex and want to maximize the > > > usage > > > > > > > without bad effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: calvin1564@... > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > Subject: Re: now infertal, need > help > > > with > > > > > > > getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your mileage may vary, but your dosage for both > TRT > > > and > > > > > > > arimidex seems on the higher end. A good > baseline > > > (which > > > > > > > some men may find isn't enough, but it's a > starting > > > point) > > > > > > > is around 100 mg T per week and maybe 1/4 > arimidex > > > every > > > > > > > other day. Arimidex is potent and should be > limited to > > > 1 mg > > > > > > > per week total. If you overshoot on T, you get > lots > > > of > > > > > > > conversion to estradiol, so it's possible that > you > > > might be > > > > > > > able to reduce your dosage of arimidex if you > reduced > > > your > > > > > > > dosage of T. Plus, arimidex is expensive, so why > take > > > more > > > > > > > than you have to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The specific hormones that a) relate to sperm > > > production > > > > > > > & decrease when using TRT are Luteinizing > > > Hormone > > > > > > > (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). hCG > is > > > like LH, > > > > > > > whereas there is another one called Human > Menopausal > > > > > > > Gonadotropin (hMG) which is like LH and FSH > combined. > > > I'm > > > > > > > not sure if trying these other hormones > individually > > > or in > > > > > > > conjunction might provide an increase in sperm > > > without > > > > > > > triggering gout. Hope you find something that > works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been on testosterone since january. I > have > > > had > > > > > > > trouble with HCG giving me gout. I have stopped > taking > > > it > > > > > > > completely the last month and now my sperm count > has > > > gone > > > > > > > down to 2 million. It was 70 mil before starting > TRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to make a baby with my wife, The > next > > > step > > > > > > > is for her to take clomid, but I want to have my > sperm > > > count > > > > > > > up before that happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little fuzzy on doing a clomid > restart. > > > What > > > > > > > dosage and for how long? I am pretty sure I am > > > secondary due > > > > > > > to multiple food allergies and diabetes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wonder about staying on a dose of > clomid > > > with > > > > > > > testosterone, and how much would that need to > be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on 200mg a week of test, and arimidex > 1/2 mg > > > a > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The testosterone backed the diabetes off for > the > > > last > > > > > > > 9 months, but I will probably start taking > glucophage > > > this > > > > > > > week in an attempt to control the rising blood > > > sugars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know there is no easy answers, but it > would be > > > nice > > > > > > > to figure out all my options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    > > > > > > >      > > > > > > >       > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 There are also 240 mg tablets, just wondered if these can be cut in half as sometimes you can't do that...??? From: pmgamer18@... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:31:46 -0700 Subject: RE: RE: DIM It says on the link I read that the does was 2 tablets 120 mgs each. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: now infertal, > need > > > help with getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just curious, how would it be possible to > take 1/4 > > > of a > > > > > > > Arimadex. It seems cutting it that fine > would > > > tend to > > > > > > > turn it into little crumbled dust. It is > just > > > as > > > > > > > effective if taken 1/2 twice a week? I > guess > > > that > > > > > > > would be a slightly lower dosage per week. > But I > > > like > > > > > > > the effects of Arimidex and want to maximize the > > > usage > > > > > > > without bad effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: calvin1564@... > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > Subject: Re: now infertal, need > help > > > with > > > > > > > getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your mileage may vary, but your dosage for both > TRT > > > and > > > > > > > arimidex seems on the higher end. A good > baseline > > > (which > > > > > > > some men may find isn't enough, but it's a > starting > > > point) > > > > > > > is around 100 mg T per week and maybe 1/4 > arimidex > > > every > > > > > > > other day. Arimidex is potent and should be > limited to > > > 1 mg > > > > > > > per week total. If you overshoot on T, you get > lots > > > of > > > > > > > conversion to estradiol, so it's possible that > you > > > might be > > > > > > > able to reduce your dosage of arimidex if you > reduced > > > your > > > > > > > dosage of T. Plus, arimidex is expensive, so why > take > > > more > > > > > > > than you have to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The specific hormones that a) relate to sperm > > > production > > > > > > > & decrease when using TRT are Luteinizing > > > Hormone > > > > > > > (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). hCG > is > > > like LH, > > > > > > > whereas there is another one called Human > Menopausal > > > > > > > Gonadotropin (hMG) which is like LH and FSH > combined. > > > I'm > > > > > > > not sure if trying these other hormones > individually > > > or in > > > > > > > conjunction might provide an increase in sperm > > > without > > > > > > > triggering gout. Hope you find something that > works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been on testosterone since january. I > have > > > had > > > > > > > trouble with HCG giving me gout. I have stopped > taking > > > it > > > > > > > completely the last month and now my sperm count > has > > > gone > > > > > > > down to 2 million. It was 70 mil before starting > TRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to make a baby with my wife, The > next > > > step > > > > > > > is for her to take clomid, but I want to have my > sperm > > > count > > > > > > > up before that happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little fuzzy on doing a clomid > restart. > > > What > > > > > > > dosage and for how long? I am pretty sure I am > > > secondary due > > > > > > > to multiple food allergies and diabetes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wonder about staying on a dose of > clomid > > > with > > > > > > > testosterone, and how much would that need to > be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on 200mg a week of test, and arimidex > 1/2 mg > > > a > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The testosterone backed the diabetes off for > the > > > last > > > > > > > 9 months, but I will probably start taking > glucophage > > > this > > > > > > > week in an attempt to control the rising blood > > > sugars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know there is no easy answers, but it > would be > > > nice > > > > > > > to figure out all my options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 I never seen them that big but the link this all started at says the dose is 240 mgs by taking two 120 mgs tablets. And yes you can cut them in half I did this with the 120 mgs tables this is one good reasion for taking tablets if you go to low on them cut them in half. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: now > infertal, > > > need > > > > > > > help with getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just curious, how would it be possible > to > > > take 1/4 > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arimadex. It seems cutting it that > fine > > > would > > > > > > > tend to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn it into little crumbled dust. It > is > > > just > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effective if taken 1/2 twice a week? > I > > > guess > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be a slightly lower dosage per week. > > > But I > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the effects of Arimidex and want to maximize > the > > > > > > > usage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without bad effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: calvin1564@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: now infertal, > need > > > help > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting sperm count up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your mileage may vary, but your dosage for > both > > > TRT > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arimidex seems on the higher end. A good > > > baseline > > > > > > > (which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some men may find isn't enough, but it's a > > > starting > > > > > > > point) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is around 100 mg T per week and maybe 1/4 > > > arimidex > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other day. Arimidex is potent and should be > > > limited to > > > > > > > 1 mg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per week total. If you overshoot on T, you > get > > > lots > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conversion to estradiol, so it's possible > that > > > you > > > > > > > might be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to reduce your dosage of arimidex if > you > > > reduced > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosage of T. Plus, arimidex is expensive, so > why > > > take > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than you have to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The specific hormones that a) relate to > sperm > > > > > > > production > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & decrease when using TRT are > Luteinizing > > > > > > > Hormone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). > hCG > > > is > > > > > > > like LH, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas there is another one called Human > > > Menopausal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonadotropin (hMG) which is like LH and FSH > > > combined. > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure if trying these other hormones > > > individually > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction might provide an increase in > sperm > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > triggering gout. Hope you find something > that > > > works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been on testosterone since > january. I > > > have > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble with HCG giving me gout. I have > stopped > > > taking > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely the last month and now my sperm > count > > > has > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down to 2 million. It was 70 mil before > starting > > > TRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to make a baby with my > wife, The > > > next > > > > > > > step > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is for her to take clomid, but I want to > have my > > > sperm > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up before that happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little fuzzy on doing a clomid > > > restart. > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosage and for how long? I am pretty sure I > am > > > > > > > secondary due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to multiple food allergies and diabetes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wonder about staying on a dose > of > > > clomid > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testosterone, and how much would that need > to > > > be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on 200mg a week of test, and > arimidex > > > 1/2 mg > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The testosterone backed the diabetes > off for > > > the > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 months, but I will probably start taking > > > glucophage > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week in an attempt to control the rising > blood > > > > > > > sugars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know there is no easy answers, but > it > > > would be > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to figure out all my options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    >    > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Hi Phil, I think your misreading it. Those caps are 240 mg. It doesn't say anything about 120mg. They are having you take two 240mg caps for " cancer prevention. " You will notice there are only 30 servings from the 60 caps. This below is from their add: Indolplex 240 mg 60 caps Supplement Facts Serving Size: 2 Capsules Servings per container 30 Brett RE: RE: DIM I never seen them that big but the link this all started at says the dose is 240 mgs by taking two 120 mgs tablets. And yes you can cut them in half I did this with the 120 mgs tables this is one good reasion for taking tablets if you go to low on them cut them in half. Co-Moderator Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Yep your right sorry about this I don't think it's anygood Indolplex/DIM comes in Tablets it is a process on the Tablets that keeps it from getting killed in your stomach. I was told this yrs ago by the men that told me to try it the other brands of DIM were not working. And this is in caps and very strong what I was taking and telling men to take is 120 mgs. http://www.shop-enzymatictherapy.com/store/product752.html This one comes in Tables says 2 tables 240 mgs so my thinking is the tables are 120 mgs. http://www.shop-enzymatictherapy.com/store/product780.html But why even mess with this stuff guys here are using this. http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 Co-Moderator Phil > From: Brett Savage <brshop@...> > Subject: Re: RE: DIM > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:52 PM > Hi Phil, >   I think your misreading it. Those caps > are 240 mg. It doesn't say > anything about 120mg.   They are having you > take two 240mg caps for " cancer > prevention. "    You will notice there are > only 30 servings from the 60 caps. > This below is from their add: > Indolplex 240 mg 60 caps > Supplement Facts > Serving Size: 2 Capsules > Servings per container 30 > Brett > RE: RE: DIM > > > I never seen them that big but the link this all started at > says the dose is > 240 mgs by taking two 120 mgs tablets. And yes you can cut > them in half I > did this with the 120 mgs tables this is one good reasion > for taking tablets > if you go to low on them cut them in half. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Phil would you say the DIM is as effective as HCG injections? And can you tell me what HC is that you talk about? Thanks. Bill From: pmgamer18@... Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:09:29 -0700 Subject: Re: RE: DIM Yep your right sorry about this I don't think it's anygood Indolplex/DIM comes in Tablets it is a process on the Tablets that keeps it from getting killed in your stomach. I was told this yrs ago by the men that told me to try it the other brands of DIM were not working. And this is in caps and very strong what I was taking and telling men to take is 120 mgs. http://www.shop-enzymatictherapy.com/store/product752.html This one comes in Tables says 2 tables 240 mgs so my thinking is the tables are 120 mgs. http://www.shop-enzymatictherapy.com/store/product780.html But why even mess with this stuff guys here are using this. http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 Co-Moderator Phil > From: Brett Savage <brshop@...> > Subject: Re: RE: DIM > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:52 PM > Hi Phil, > I think your misreading it. Those caps > are 240 mg. It doesn't say > anything about 120mg. They are having you > take two 240mg caps for " cancer > prevention. " You will notice there are > only 30 servings from the 60 caps. > This below is from their add: > Indolplex 240 mg 60 caps > Supplement Facts > Serving Size: 2 Capsules > Servings per container 30 > Brett > RE: RE: DIM > > > I never seen them that big but the link this all started at > says the dose is > 240 mgs by taking two 120 mgs tablets. And yes you can cut > them in half I > did this with the 120 mgs tables this is one good reasion > for taking tablets > if you go to low on them cut them in half. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 DIM lowes E2 HCG acts like the message your brain sends to your testis LH to make Testosterone. HC is Hydrocortisone (synthetic cortisol). Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Brett Savage <brshop@...> > > > Subject: Re: RE: DIM > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:52 PM > > > Hi Phil, > > >    I think your misreading > it. Those caps > > > are 240 mg. It doesn't say > > > anything about 120mg.   They are having > you > > > take two 240mg caps for " cancer > > > prevention. "    You will notice there > are > > > only 30 servings from the 60 caps. > > > This below is from their add: > > > Indolplex 240 mg 60 caps > > > Supplement Facts > > > Serving Size: 2 Capsules > > > Servings per container 30 > > > Brett > > > RE: RE: DIM > > > > > > > > > I never seen them that big but the link this all > started at > > > says the dose is > > > 240 mgs by taking two 120 mgs tablets. And yes you can > cut > > > them in half I > > > did this with the 120 mgs tables this is one good > reasion > > > for taking tablets > > > if you go to low on them cut them in half. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Does DIM lower E2 or convert bad estrogens to good estrogens, or does that have the same effect of lowering E2? I'm confused. Thanks. From: pmgamer18@... Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:28:11 -0700 Subject: RE: RE: DIM DIM lowes E2 HCG acts like the message your brain sends to your testis LH to make Testosterone. HC is Hydrocortisone (synthetic cortisol). Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Brett Savage <brshop@...> > > > Subject: Re: RE: DIM > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:52 PM > > > Hi Phil, > > > I think your misreading > it. Those caps > > > are 240 mg. It doesn't say > > > anything about 120mg. They are having > you > > > take two 240mg caps for " cancer > > > prevention. " You will notice there > are > > > only 30 servings from the 60 caps. > > > This below is from their add: > > > Indolplex 240 mg 60 caps > > > Supplement Facts > > > Serving Size: 2 Capsules > > > Servings per container 30 > > > Brett > > > RE: RE: DIM > > > > > > > > > I never seen them that big but the link this all > started at > > > says the dose is > > > 240 mgs by taking two 120 mgs tablets. And yes you can > cut > > > them in half I > > > did this with the 120 mgs tables this is one good > reasion > > > for taking tablets > > > if you go to low on them cut them in half. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 DIM does not block Estradiol this is the bad guy it will convert it into a good Estrogen so your liver can wash it out. Here read this about it and in this other link is links to all kinds of info. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Brett Savage <brshop@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: RE: DIM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:52 PM > > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > >    I think your misreading > > > it. Those caps > > > > > > > are 240 mg. It doesn't say > > > > > > > anything about 120mg.   They are > having > > > you > > > > > > > take two 240mg caps for " cancer > > > > > > > prevention. "    You will notice > there > > > are > > > > > > > only 30 servings from the 60 caps. > > > > > > > This below is from their add: > > > > > > > Indolplex 240 mg 60 caps > > > > > > > Supplement Facts > > > > > > > Serving Size: 2 Capsules > > > > > > > Servings per container 30 > > > > > > > Brett > > > > > > > RE: RE: DIM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never seen them that big but the link this all > > > started at > > > > > > > says the dose is > > > > > > > 240 mgs by taking two 120 mgs tablets. And yes > you can > > > cut > > > > > > > them in half I > > > > > > > did this with the 120 mgs tables this is one > good > > > reasion > > > > > > > for taking tablets > > > > > > > if you go to low on them cut them in half. > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 .....you may have to factor in your age. Cialis can give you a bounce even 4 days later. It's possible. I have taken DIM many many many many days. Enough to give it a fair chance in helping me. I have never noticed any benefit from it in wood at any time. HOWEVER, I am over sixty and that might be why. Recently I ordered arimidex from alldaychemist and I am taking 1/4 tablet every three days. I am happy to report that nighttime and morning wood has returned. I am so thankful to God as those type erections are part of our masculinity and we men grieve the loss of them when they go. Erections are better and I feel more like I did 15 years or so ago. I am not on any prescription T and take only ISA-Test which is a natural T booster. Thank to Phil and the guys on this board for preaching the benefits of arimidex. In keeping with their suggestions, I will use the nighttime and morning wood as a barometer of how my estrogen levels are (plus the blood testing). Good luck. What is your general age category, ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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