The E2 Sweet Spot by Chilln at Dr. 's forum.

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continued from post #8 in this thread, ie:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8

PLAN A:

The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to simply minimize your T

boost, to the point which is " just above " your minimum acceptable level of

damage tolerance.

###

* If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a lot more T than if you

exercise very little.

* Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your maximum T levels, and your

minimum T levels. This works if you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which

case your minimum T levels will not be too low.

* But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may find that this method lets

your minimum T levels drop too low.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on minimizing your maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum

T levels are still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck, don't

catch flu quickly).

* Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels, looking for your E2 sweet spot,

until eventually your minimum T levels are too low during the day / week (ie:

sore joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly).

###

If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2 usign this method, then you

need to consider PLAN B.

PLAN B:

Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the goods. Don't skip PLAN B.

For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce your maximum daily T levels

by taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per day.

For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T cypionate), reduce your

maximum weekly T levels by either:

a) taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice-per-week,

or

taking less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, once-every-3-days.

###

* This will definitely reduce your peak T levels, while still ensuring that your

minimum T levels do not drop.

* The additional reduction in max T levels, without reducing your minimum T

levels, will further allow your E2 levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough

to find your E2 sweet spot.

* The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement using injected T esters (eg:

testosterone cypionate) is to take

less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice per week, or

less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3 days.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN C.

PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL)

This option is only available if you initially started out on a transdermal

formulation of T.

Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to using an injected form of T

ester - eg: " T cyp " (testosterone cypionate).

Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to twice-per-week, or

once-every-3-days dosing if you need to lower E2 levels even further.

###

* Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase " enzyme, and we have high

concentrations of aromatase enzymes in our subcutaneous body fat.

* The transdermal forumations of T convert into more E2 and DHT than the

injected T esters, because the transdermal formulations place the T in close

proximity to the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body fat, while

the injected T esters are designed for intra-muscular injection (not

subcutanoues) and therefore the T is placed a long long way from those aromate

enzymes in our body fat.

* After switching from transdermal T to injected T esters, your E2 levels should

also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits

your sexual performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still depends

on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

* Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in PLAN B for T cyp users.

* If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in too high maximum levels

of T, while you are trying to ensure that your minimum T throughout the week is

still above your minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back the

PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp.

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN D.

PLAN D:

This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG dosages, and use arimidex /

anastrozole to optimize E2.

But you should still be implementing the multiple-times-per-day dosing

methodology from PLAN B and the final stage of PLAN C

###

* This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing with T and E2 levels for

months.

* The most important concept with arimidex / anastrozole supplementtion is very

reliable and accurate dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your

medical professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by adopting daily dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole, using small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex /

anastrozole.

....This is detailed here:

....http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31

* You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg per day, or 0.2mg per day,

instead of 0.5mg every second day.

* After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you will definitely discover

occasional optimum T versus E2 balance, and with that you will achieve

occasional optimum sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum

sexual performance for the majority of each week is dependant on how stable your

E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T

levels.

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN E.

PLAN E:

Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide the additional damage

tolerance lost from the reduction in T levels.

But continue to maintain using the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology

used in the final stages of the previous plans.

But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely.

###

* Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not 100% overlap) so you can

safely reduce T, if you boost GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, you further reduce the rate of

conversion of T into E2. This assumes you reduce your supplemental T dosage when

you add in the boost to GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and E2 levels will be more

stable, and you'll find it easier to find your sweet spot for E2.

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN F.

PLAN F

This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost, multiple times-per-day/week

dosing) plus compounded arimidex / anastrozole.

###

* This should only be necessary if:

....a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient recombinant GH to allow you to

reduce your T levels by an adequate amount.

or

.... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH, and your body's response

to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts of GH.

..

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Last edited by chilln; 16 Hours Ago at 07:12 PM.

[Guest guest]

If I am currently doing T shots every 3 days, when would be the best day to

measure Testosterone and E2? (ie. the morning of the day I will be taking the T

shot?)

>

> continued from post #8 in this thread, ie:

> http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8

>

>

> PLAN A:

>

> The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to simply minimize your T

boost, to the point which is " just above " your minimum acceptable level of

damage tolerance.

>

> ###

>

> * If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a lot more T than if you

exercise very little.

>

> * Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your maximum T levels, and your

minimum T levels. This works if you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which

case your minimum T levels will not be too low.

>

> * But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may find that this method

lets your minimum T levels drop too low.

>

> * As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

>

> * If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on minimizing your maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum

T levels are still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck, don't

catch flu quickly).

>

> * Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels, looking for your E2 sweet

spot, until eventually your minimum T levels are too low during the day / week

(ie: sore joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly).

>

> ###

>

> If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2 usign this method, then

you need to consider PLAN B.

>

>

>

> PLAN B:

>

> Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the goods. Don't skip PLAN B.

>

> For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce your maximum daily T

levels by taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per

day.

>

> For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T cypionate), reduce your

maximum weekly T levels by either:

> a) taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice-per-week,

> or

> taking less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T,

once-every-3-days.

>

> ###

>

> * This will definitely reduce your peak T levels, while still ensuring that

your minimum T levels do not drop.

>

> * The additional reduction in max T levels, without reducing your minimum T

levels, will further allow your E2 levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough

to find your E2 sweet spot.

>

> * The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement using injected T esters

(eg: testosterone cypionate) is to take

less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice per week, or

less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3 days.

>

> * As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

>

> * If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

>

> ###

>

> But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN C.

>

>

>

> PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL)

>

> This option is only available if you initially started out on a transdermal

formulation of T.

>

> Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to using an injected form of

T ester - eg: " T cyp " (testosterone cypionate).

>

> Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to twice-per-week, or

once-every-3-days dosing if you need to lower E2 levels even further.

>

> ###

>

> * Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase " enzyme, and we have high

concentrations of aromatase enzymes in our subcutaneous body fat.

>

> * The transdermal forumations of T convert into more E2 and DHT than the

injected T esters, because the transdermal formulations place the T in close

proximity to the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body fat, while

the injected T esters are designed for intra-muscular injection (not

subcutanoues) and therefore the T is placed a long long way from those aromate

enzymes in our body fat.

>

> * After switching from transdermal T to injected T esters, your E2 levels

should also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which

suits your sexual performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still

depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

>

> * Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in PLAN B for T cyp users.

>

> * If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in too high maximum levels

of T, while you are trying to ensure that your minimum T throughout the week is

still above your minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back the

PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp.

>

> ###

>

> But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN D.

>

>

>

> PLAN D:

>

> This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG dosages, and use arimidex /

anastrozole to optimize E2.

>

> But you should still be implementing the multiple-times-per-day dosing

methodology from PLAN B and the final stage of PLAN C

>

> ###

>

> * This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing with T and E2 levels for

months.

>

> * The most important concept with arimidex / anastrozole supplementtion is

very reliable and accurate dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your

medical professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by adopting daily dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole, using small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex /

anastrozole.

>

> ...This is detailed here:

>

> ...http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31

>

> * You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg per day, or 0.2mg per

day, instead of 0.5mg every second day.

>

> * After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you will definitely discover

occasional optimum T versus E2 balance, and with that you will achieve

occasional optimum sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum

sexual performance for the majority of each week is dependant on how stable your

E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T

levels.

>

> ###

>

> But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN E.

>

>

>

> PLAN E:

>

> Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide the additional damage

tolerance lost from the reduction in T levels.

>

> But continue to maintain using the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology

used in the final stages of the previous plans.

>

> But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely.

>

> ###

>

> * Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not 100% overlap) so you can

safely reduce T, if you boost GH.

>

> * By further reducing your peak T levels, you further reduce the rate of

conversion of T into E2. This assumes you reduce your supplemental T dosage when

you add in the boost to GH.

>

> * By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and E2 levels will be more

stable, and you'll find it easier to find your sweet spot for E2.

>

> But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN F.

>

>

>

> PLAN F

>

> This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost, multiple

times-per-day/week dosing) plus compounded arimidex / anastrozole.

>

> ###

>

> * This should only be necessary if:

>

> ...a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient recombinant GH to allow you

to reduce your T levels by an adequate amount.

>

> or

>

> ... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH, and your body's

response to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts of GH.

>

> .

>

>

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> Last edited by chilln; 16 Hours Ago at 07:12 PM.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes this is when I do it the morning of my next shot but before it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: dcl6423 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: The E2 Sweet Spot by Chilln at Dr. 's forum.

>

> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:38 PM

> If I am currently doing T shots every

> 3 days, when would be the best day to measure Testosterone

> and E2? (ie. the morning of the day I will be taking the T

> shot?)

>

>

> >

> > continued from post #8 in this thread, ie:

> > http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8

> >

> >

> > PLAN A:

> >

> > The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to

> simply minimize your T boost, to the point which is " just

> above " your minimum acceptable level of damage tolerance.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > * If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a

> lot more T than if you exercise very little.

> >

> > * Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your

> maximum T levels, and your minimum T levels. This works if

> you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which case your

> minimum T levels will not be too low.

> >

> > * But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may

> find that this method lets your minimum T levels drop too

> low.

> >

> > * As you and your medical professional adviser

> gradually lower your maximum T levels, your E2 levels will

> also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T

> and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

> >

> > * If you discover that by using this method, you can

> occasionally experience optimum sexual performance, then

> your ability to maintain that for extended periods is

> dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the

> stability of your E2 levels depends on minimizing your

> maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum T levels are

> still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck,

> don't catch flu quickly).

> >

> > * Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels,

> looking for your E2 sweet spot, until eventually your

> minimum T levels are too low during the day / week (ie: sore

> joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly).

> >

> > ###

> >

> > If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2

> usign this method, then you need to consider PLAN B.

> >

> >

> >

> > PLAN B:

> >

> > Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the

> goods. Don't skip PLAN B.

> >

> > For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce

> your maximum daily T levels by taking

> less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per

> day.

> >

> > For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T

> cypionate), reduce your maximum weekly T levels by either:

> > a) taking

> less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T,

> twice-per-week,

> > or

> > taking

> less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T,

> once-every-3-days.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > * This will definitely reduce your peak T levels,

> while still ensuring that your minimum T levels do not drop.

>

> >

> > * The additional reduction in max T levels, without

> reducing your minimum T levels, will further allow your E2

> levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough to find your

> E2 sweet spot.

> >

> > * The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement

> using injected T esters (eg: testosterone cypionate) is to

> take less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T,

> twice per week, or

> less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3

> days.

> >

> > * As you and your medical professional adviser

> gradually lower your maximum T levels, your E2 levels will

> also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T

> and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

> >

> > * If you discover that by using this method, you can

> occasionally experience optimum sexual performance, then

> your ability to maintain that for extended periods is

> dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the

> stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels

> (not your minimum T levels).

> >

> > ###

> >

> > But you may discover that you still cannot find a

> sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In

> which case consider PLAN C.

> >

> >

> >

> > PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL)

> >

> > This option is only available if you initially started

> out on a transdermal formulation of T.

> >

> > Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to

> using an injected form of T ester - eg: " T cyp "

> (testosterone cypionate).

> >

> > Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to

> twice-per-week, or once-every-3-days dosing if you need to

> lower E2 levels even further.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > * Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase "

> enzyme, and we have high concentrations of aromatase enzymes

> in our subcutaneous body fat.

> >

> > * The transdermal forumations of T convert into more

> E2 and DHT than the injected T esters, because the

> transdermal formulations place the T in close proximity to

> the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body

> fat, while the injected T esters are designed for

> intra-muscular injection (not subcutanoues) and therefore

> the T is placed a long long way from those aromate enzymes

> in our body fat.

> >

> > * After switching from transdermal T to injected T

> esters, your E2 levels should also reduce, and hopefully you

> will find a balance between T and E2 which suits your sexual

> performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still

> depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T

> levels).

> >

> > * Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in

> PLAN B for T cyp users.

> >

> > * If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in

> too high maximum levels of T, while you are trying to ensure

> that your minimum T throughout the week is still above your

> minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back

> the PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > But you may discover that you still cannot find a

> sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In

> which case consider PLAN D.

> >

> >

> >

> > PLAN D:

> >

> > This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG

> dosages, and use arimidex / anastrozole to optimize E2.

> >

> > But you should still be implementing the

> multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology from PLAN B and

> the final stage of PLAN C

> >

> > ###

> >

> > * This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing

> with T and E2 levels for months.

> >

> > * The most important concept with arimidex /

> anastrozole supplementtion is very reliable and accurate

> dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your medical

> professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of

> arimidex / anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by

> adopting daily dosing of arimidex / anastrozole, using

> small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex /

> anastrozole.

> >

> > ...This is detailed here:

> >

> > ...http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31

> >

> > * You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg

> per day, or 0.2mg per day, instead of 0.5mg every second

> day.

> >

> > * After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you

> will definitely discover occasional optimum T versus E2

> balance, and with that you will achieve occasional optimum

> sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum

> sexual performance for the majority of each week is

> dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the

> stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T

> levels.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > But you may discover that you still cannot find a

> sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In

> which case consider PLAN E.

> >

> >

> >

> > PLAN E:

> >

> > Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide

> the additional damage tolerance lost from the reduction in T

> levels.

> >

> > But continue to maintain using the

> multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology used in the final

> stages of the previous plans.

> >

> > But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > * Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not

> 100% overlap) so you can safely reduce T, if you boost GH.

> >

> > * By further reducing your peak T levels, you further

> reduce the rate of conversion of T into E2. This assumes you

> reduce your supplemental T dosage when you add in the boost

> to GH.

> >

> > * By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and

> E2 levels will be more stable, and you'll find it easier to

> find your sweet spot for E2.

> >

> > But you may discover that you still cannot find a

> sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In

> which case consider PLAN F.

> >

> >

> >

> > PLAN F

> >

> > This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost,

> multiple times-per-day/week dosing) plus compounded arimidex

> / anastrozole.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > * This should only be necessary if:

> >

> > ...a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient

> recombinant GH to allow you to reduce your T levels by an

> adequate amount.

> >

> > or

> >

> > ... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH,

> and your body's response to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts

> of GH.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

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> > Last edited by chilln; 16 Hours Ago at 07:12 PM.

> >

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