Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Well, there you go. You don't have enough T4 to start with. A good minimum level is 8 (mid-range), you're at 5.6. You should push for a Free T3 and ferritin level next. > > > when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x week. > >I > > > > >felt like crud, but wood was fine. In fact, it was really srong, painful > >at > > > > >times. > > > > Then this is your body saying that dose is too much. > > > > > back off of the Adex. I did and felt a little better. To feel > > > better, she suggested I go to one shot a week. I feel better that way > >(the > > > > >following week) except.... > > > It's been 6 days since the last shot (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and I'm > > > > >feeling poorly again. My wood is fine (very strong), but I keep getting > >these > > > > >episodes of nausea, and some sweating. I had her pull blood on Thursday > >but I > > > > > > > > don't have the results yet. As well, whenever I feel like crud, if I > >check > > > > >it, my body temp is low. Right now I don't feel well and it's 96.7. > > > > Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven, unless you have a fever, of course. With > > that low a temp, I would guess that cortisol has been down-regulated too, and > > that could cause nausea. If adrenaline kicks in to compensate, that could cause > > > > sweating. > > > > > > > I'm thinking of doing another 50mg of T-CYp, but I am cautious because I > >don't > > > > >know if testosetrone is helping or hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is > >that's > > > > >keeping my body temp from going up and down (yesterday evening it was > >98.5). > > > > > > > > Question is, does the testosterone affect the thyroid? If so, does it > >help or > > > > >hurt? Should I take another shot or is the T-Cyp actually hurting me? > > > > Here's a quote from Dr. no's website definitivemind.com > > > > " Adding testosterone can reduce thyroid binding globulin, helping increase free > > > > thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also help reduce inflammatory cytokine > > signaling. Reducing insulin resistance also helps reduce inflammatory > >signaling. > > > > These and other changes due to additional testosterone can help improve energy. > > > > However, adding testosterone can also reduce thyroid releasing hormone (TRH) > > produced by the testes. This can, in some men, reduce thyroid hormone signaling > > > > significantly, promoting fatigue. " > > > > So to answer your question, does it help or hurt? The answer is yes. > > > > How long the testosterone in you lasts is highly dependent on your SHBG levels, > > > > which are highly dependent on other hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too > >low, > > > > not too high, most times. I think your thyroid labs might give you some > >answers. > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Brett, Thansk for the feedback. It seems like I am like you on this. I am going to stop the Arimidex completely for say three weeks and even I feel some high E symptoms, I am going to not take it. Do you think, based on your experience, this is enough time to let my body " settle down " as it were? Then, when I get some symptoms, I can take your suggestions. It sure seems like things went to crud when I started this stuff. If I stay off of it and feel decent, high E episodes aside, and the try it again only to feel like crud, that should be concliusive that it's something I can't use. Barb and Phil gave me some great knowledge and ideas as well. Everyone seems to be of the same thought; stay off of it for a while and see if things settle down - if I feel generally better. Bill ________________________________ From: Brett Savage <brshop@...> Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 10:58:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms?  Hi Bill, I found out the hard way that I am very sensitive to Arimidex. With me it takes me down real fast and it can make you feel like crap. Joint pains being one of the worst. Took a while to figure it out, at first I thought it was just side effects of the Arimidex but it reality was that I had just gone way to low. One test that I had later found that I was down to 6 and that wasn't even when I was hurting bad so how low I was before when I was hurting, I don't know but it for sure was lower than that. Some guys need a lot of Arimidex and some need very little. So unless your doing E2 tests everyday you really don't know how low you may be going between tests. My suggestion would be to just lay of the Arimidex for a while and see if it helps it may take a while. Then if you do feel better after awhile and you seem to be getting symptoms of it being high just start it again but take less and be carful to watch for symptoms of going too low. I found out for me I get along better with DIM because it doesn't move me as fast. Brett Re: E2 > > symptoms? > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, > 2010, > > 1:21 > > > PM > > > > > > I don't know if all of that can > come > > > > > > from high E2, but I am sure not > any > > expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on > TRT. > > > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, > and > > > basically a > > > > total > > > > > lack > > > > > > of interest in sex. I think these > are > > from > > > the > > > > high E2 > > > > > in me > > > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Barb, From these test my doc said she wanted to wait one month and re-test to see if my T4 is trending downward. I'll ask her to add the tests you recommend when she re-tests. Are you familiar with hypothyroidsism treatments? If so, any suggestions if the doc (finally) says I am hypo? Bill ________________________________ From: Barb <baba@...> Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 11:09:23 AM Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?  Well, there you go. You don't have enough T4 to start with. A good minimum level is 8 (mid-range), you're at 5.6. You should push for a Free T3 and ferritin level next. > > > when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x >week. > > >I > > > > >felt like crud, but wood was fine. In fact, it was really srong, >painful > > >at > > > > >times. > > > > Then this is your body saying that dose is too much. > > > > > back off of the Adex. I did and felt a >little better. To feel > > > > better, she suggested I go to one shot a week. I feel better that >way > > >(the > > > > >following week) except.... > > > It's been 6 days since the last shot (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and >I'm > > > > > >feeling poorly again. My wood is fine (very strong), but I keep >getting > > >these > > > > >episodes of nausea, and some sweating. I had her pull blood on >Thursday > > >but I > > > > > > > > don't have the results yet. As well, whenever I feel like crud, if >I > > >check > > > > >it, my body temp is low. Right now I don't feel well and it's 96.7. > > > > Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven, unless you have a fever, of course. With > > that low a temp, I would guess that cortisol has been down-regulated too, and > > > that could cause nausea. If adrenaline kicks in to compensate, that could >cause > > > > > sweating. > > > > > > > I'm thinking of doing another 50mg of T-CYp, but I am cautious because I > >don't > > > > >know if testosetrone is helping or hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is > >that's > > > > >keeping my body temp from going up and down (yesterday evening it was > >98.5). > > > > > > > > Question is, does the testosterone affect the thyroid? If so, does >it > > >help or > > > > >hurt? Should I take another shot or is the T-Cyp actually hurting >me? > > > > Here's a quote from Dr. no's website definitivemind.com > > > > " Adding testosterone can reduce thyroid binding globulin, helping increase >free > > > > > thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also help reduce inflammatory cytokine > > signaling. Reducing insulin resistance also helps reduce inflammatory > >signaling. > > > > These and other changes due to additional testosterone can help improve >energy. > > > > > However, adding testosterone can also reduce thyroid releasing hormone (TRH) > > produced by the testes. This can, in some men, reduce thyroid hormone >signaling > > > > > significantly, promoting fatigue. " > > > > So to answer your question, does it help or hurt? The answer is yes. > > > > How long the testosterone in you lasts is highly dependent on your SHBG >levels, > > > > > which are highly dependent on other hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too > >low, > > > > not too high, most times. I think your thyroid labs might give you some > >answers. > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 If she wants to do a CYA, she would order everything: Totals and Free T4 and T3, rT3, along with Vit B12, Vit D, morning cortisol and ferritin. With thyroid, you are looking to correct a deficiency in three different areas. 1) you simply don't make enough raw material to start with. Your total T4 confirms that this is a problem for you. 2) you can't convert the T4 to T3. Your Free T3, Free T4, and rT3 will show if this is a problem too 3) cellular transport - if your bloodwork showed good levels but you still had lots of hypo symptoms like your low temps, then the problem might be low cortisol. This may be a problem too, but chances are, just raising your levels might help. Based on your T3/T4 levels, you determine whether to start a T4 med like Synthroid, or if you need something with T3 like Armour or to add Cytomel (T3) to your dose. Barb > > > > when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x > >week.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >I > > > > > > >felt like crud, but wood was fine.ÃÆ'‚ In fact, it was really srong, > >painful > > > > >at > > > > > > >times. > > > > > > Then this is your body saying that dose is too much. > > > > > > > back off of the Adex.ÃÆ'‚ I did andÃÆ'‚ felt a > >littleÃÆ'‚ better.ÃÆ'‚ To feel > > > > > > better, she suggested I go to one shot a week.ÃÆ'‚ I feel better that > >way > > > > >(the > > > > > > >following week) except.... > > > > It's been 6 days since the last shot (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and > >I'm > > > > > > > > >feeling poorly again.ÃÆ'‚ My wood is fine (very strong), but I keep > >getting > > > > >these > > > > > > >episodes of nausea, and some sweating.ÃÆ'‚ I had her pull blood on > >Thursday > > > > >but I > > > > > > > > > > > don't have the results yet.ÃÆ'‚ As well, whenever I feel like crud, if > >I > > > > >check > > > > > > >it, my body temp is low.ÃÆ'‚ Right now I don't feel well and it's > 96.7. > > > > > > Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven, unless you have a fever, of course. With > > > > that low a temp, I would guess that cortisol has been down-regulated too, and > > > > > that could cause nausea. If adrenaline kicks in to compensate, that could > >cause > > > > > > > > sweating. > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of doing another 50mg of T-CYp, but I am cautious because I > > >don't > > > > > > >know if testosetrone is helping or hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is > > >that's > > > > > > >keeping my body temp from going up and down (yesterday evening it was > > >98.5).ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Question is, does the testosterone affect the thyroid?ÃÆ'‚ If so, does > >it > > > > >help or > > > > > > >hurt?ÃÆ'‚ Should I take another shot or is the T-Cyp actually hurting > >me? > > > > > > Here's a quote from Dr. no's website definitivemind.com > > > > > > " Adding testosterone can reduce thyroid binding globulin, helping increase > >free > > > > > > > > thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also help reduce inflammatory cytokine > > > signaling. Reducing insulin resistance also helps reduce inflammatory > > >signaling. > > > > > > These and other changes due to additional testosterone can help improve > >energy. > > > > > > > > However, adding testosterone can also reduce thyroid releasing hormone (TRH) > > > > produced by the testes. This can, in some men, reduce thyroid hormone > >signaling > > > > > > > > significantly, promoting fatigue. " > > > > > > So to answer your question, does it help or hurt? The answer is yes. > > > > > > How long the testosterone in you lasts is highly dependent on your SHBG > >levels, > > > > > > > > which are highly dependent on other hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too > > >low, > > > > > > not too high, most times. I think your thyroid labs might give you some > > >answers. > > > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Great info Barb! Thanks. Are you aware of any lifestyle chanegs - diet, etc. that can get the thyroid working instead of taking meds? I'm not opposed to meds per se, I take enough of them <sigh>, but as I understand it, once you start on thyroid meds you are on them for life. If I can try something before meds, I would like to give it a shot. Bill ________________________________ From: Barb <baba@...> Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 11:55:26 AM Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?  If she wants to do a CYA, she would order everything: Totals and Free T4 and T3, rT3, along with Vit B12, Vit D, morning cortisol and ferritin. With thyroid, you are looking to correct a deficiency in three different areas. 1) you simply don't make enough raw material to start with. Your total T4 confirms that this is a problem for you. 2) you can't convert the T4 to T3. Your Free T3, Free T4, and rT3 will show if this is a problem too 3) cellular transport - if your bloodwork showed good levels but you still had lots of hypo symptoms like your low temps, then the problem might be low cortisol. This may be a problem too, but chances are, just raising your levels might help. Based on your T3/T4 levels, you determine whether to start a T4 med like Synthroid, or if you need something with T3 like Armour or to add Cytomel (T3) to your dose. Barb > > > > when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x > >week.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >I > > > > > > >felt like crud, but wood was fine.ÃÆ'‚ In fact, it was >really srong, > > >painful > > > > >at > > > > > > >times. > > > > > > Then this is your body saying that dose is too much. > > > > > > > back off of the Adex.ÃÆ'‚ I did >andÃÆ'‚ felt a > > >littleÃÆ'‚ better.ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ To feel > > > > > > better, she suggested I go to one shot a week.ÃÆ'‚ I feel >better that > > >way > > > > >(the > > > > > > >following week) except.... > > > > It's been 6 days since the last shot (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and > > >I'm > > > > > > > > >feeling poorly again.ÃÆ'‚ My wood is fine (very strong), >but I keep > > >getting > > > > >these > > > > > > >episodes of nausea, and some sweating.ÃÆ'‚ I had her pull >blood on > > >Thursday > > > > >but I > > > > > > > > > > > don't have the results yet.ÃÆ'‚ As well, whenever I feel >like crud, if > > >I > > > > >check > > > > > > >it, my body temp is low.ÃÆ'‚ Right now I don't feel well >and it's > > 96.7. > > > > > > Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven, unless you have a fever, of course. >With > > > > > that low a temp, I would guess that cortisol has been down-regulated too, >and > > > > > > that could cause nausea. If adrenaline kicks in to compensate, that could > >cause > > > > > > > > sweating. > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of doing another 50mg of T-CYp, but I am cautious because I > > >don't > > > > > > >know if testosetrone is helping or hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is > > >that's > > > > > > >keeping my body temp from going up and down (yesterday evening it was > > >98.5).ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Question is, does the testosterone affect the >thyroid?ÃÆ'‚ If so, does > > >it > > > > >help or > > > > > > >hurt?ÃÆ'‚ Should I take another shot or is the T-Cyp >actually hurting > > >me? > > > > > > Here's a quote from Dr. no's website definitivemind.com > > > > > > " Adding testosterone can reduce thyroid binding globulin, helping increase > >free > > > > > > > > thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also help reduce inflammatory cytokine > > > signaling. Reducing insulin resistance also helps reduce inflammatory > > >signaling. > > > > > > These and other changes due to additional testosterone can help improve > >energy. > > > > > > > > However, adding testosterone can also reduce thyroid releasing hormone >(TRH) > > > > > produced by the testes. This can, in some men, reduce thyroid hormone > >signaling > > > > > > > > significantly, promoting fatigue. " > > > > > > So to answer your question, does it help or hurt? The answer is yes. > > > > > > How long the testosterone in you lasts is highly dependent on your SHBG > >levels, > > > > > > > > which are highly dependent on other hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too > > > >low, > > > > > > not too high, most times. I think your thyroid labs might give you some > > >answers. > > > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Look into the pH or alkaline diet, nobody can say for sure that it will correct your issues but many people have cured everything from cancer, chron's disease, diabetes, etc... by adopting it. The books will push you to become vegetarian, I don't believe that is the best route but a more paleo style diet with maybe a little less protein then normal (protein is acid forming, but I think you need animal proteins). I am trying to stick to this type of diet, first thing I noticed is my energy levels went way up. When I first started my pH was in the low 5's (should be 7+) and now I noticed that if I dip that low I feel like I have a hangover - dull headache, lethargy, etc... Now that my pH is in the 6's (still working on getting it in the 7's) I have a ton of energy, I workout a lot and I don't seem to ever fully tire out anymore. I am hoping this fixes my low T issue (secondary), and once I normalize my pH out I want to get retested to see where I am. I think its helping libido is up, and I am having a lot more really deep (like almost miss the alarm deep) sleep these days. BR//Matt On 10/2/2010 10:05 PM, Bill Totten wrote: > Great info Barb! Thanks. > > Are you aware of any lifestyle chanegs - diet, etc. that can get the thyroid > working instead of taking meds? I'm not opposed to meds per se, I take enough > of them<sigh>, but as I understand it, once you start on thyroid meds you are > on them for life. If I can try something before meds, I would like to give it a > shot. > > Bill > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barb<baba@...> > > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 11:55:26 AM > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > If she wants to do a CYA, she would order everything: Totals and Free T4 and T3, > rT3, along with Vit B12, Vit D, morning cortisol and ferritin. With thyroid, you > are looking to correct a deficiency in three different areas. > > > 1) you simply don't make enough raw material to start with. Your total T4 > confirms that this is a problem for you. > > 2) you can't convert the T4 to T3. Your Free T3, Free T4, and rT3 will show if > this is a problem too > > 3) cellular transport - if your bloodwork showed good levels but you still had > lots of hypo symptoms like your low temps, then the problem might be low > cortisol. This may be a problem too, but chances are, just raising your levels > might help. > > Based on your T3/T4 levels, you determine whether to start a T4 med like > Synthroid, or if you need something with T3 like Armour or to add Cytomel (T3) > to your dose. > > > Barb > > >>>>> when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x >>> week.ÃÆ'‚ >>> >>>> I >>>> >>>>> felt like crud, but wood was fine.ÃÆ'‚ In fact, it was >> really srong, >> >>> painful >>> >>>> at >>>> >>>>> times. >>>> Then this is your body saying that dose is too much. >>>> >>>>> back off of the Adex.ÃÆ'‚ I did >> andÃÆ'‚ felt a >> >>> littleÃÆ'‚ better.ÃÆ'‚ To feel >>> >>>>> better, she suggested I go to one shot a week.ÃÆ'‚ I feel >> better that >> >>> way >>> >>>> (the >>>> >>>>> following week) except.... >>>>> It's been 6 days since the last shot (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and >>> I'm >>> >>>>> feeling poorly again.ÃÆ'‚ My wood is fine (very strong), >> but I keep >> >>> getting >>> >>>> these >>>> >>>>> episodes of nausea, and some sweating.ÃÆ'‚ I had her pull >> blood on >> >>> Thursday >>> >>>> but I >>>> >>>>> don't have the results yet.ÃÆ'‚ As well, whenever I feel >> like crud, if >> >>> I >>> >>>> check >>>> >>>>> it, my body temp is low.ÃÆ'‚ Right now I don't feel well >> and it's >> >> 96.7. >>>> Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven, unless you have a fever, of course. >> With >> >> >>>> that low a temp, I would guess that cortisol has been down-regulated too, >> and >> >>>> that could cause nausea. If adrenaline kicks in to compensate, that could >>> cause >>> >>>> sweating. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm thinking of doing another 50mg of T-CYp, but I am cautious because I >>>> don't >>>> >>>>> know if testosetrone is helping or hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is >>>> that's >>>> >>>>> keeping my body temp from going up and down (yesterday evening it was >>>> 98.5).ÃÆ'‚ >>>> >>>>> Question is, does the testosterone affect the >> thyroid?ÃÆ'‚ If so, does >> >>> it >>> >>>> help or >>>> >>>>> hurt?ÃÆ'‚ Should I take another shot or is the T-Cyp >> actually hurting >> >>> me? >>>> Here's a quote from Dr. no's website definitivemind.com >>>> >>>> " Adding testosterone can reduce thyroid binding globulin, helping increase >>> free >>> >>>> thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also help reduce inflammatory cytokine >>>> signaling. Reducing insulin resistance also helps reduce inflammatory >>>> signaling. >>>> >>>> These and other changes due to additional testosterone can help improve >>> energy. >>> >>>> However, adding testosterone can also reduce thyroid releasing hormone >> (TRH) >> >> >>>> produced by the testes. This can, in some men, reduce thyroid hormone >>> signaling >>> >>>> significantly, promoting fatigue. " >>>> >>>> So to answer your question, does it help or hurt? The answer is yes. >>>> >>>> How long the testosterone in you lasts is highly dependent on your SHBG >>> levels, >>> >>>> which are highly dependent on other hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too >>>> low, >>>> >>>> not too high, most times. I think your thyroid labs might give you some >>>> answers. >>>> >>>> Barb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 I am also 66 and my hormones are all tuned up great 2 yrs ago I lived through Heart Bypass Surgery only to be put on Statin Drugs 2yrs ago and now I am crippled from them. Two months ago my pain got so bad I could not stand up or walk. I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs were giving me a lot of pain they all told me this is not possible. Now that I can't walk without a walker they know all about Statin Drug damage. I am getting better but it's very slow if it were not for this problem I would be in great shape. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:14 AM > Maybe I'm just weird but I don't > experience the emotional or physical roller coaster that > others speak about because of hypogonadism. My personality, > although I am not always the easiest going guy, has remained > pretty constant. When I am depressed, there is usually a > valid reason explaining this besides just a chemical > imbalance. Let me say, I have no expectation that I should > feel " up " every day. That's just not normal for anyone. Same > with physical energy. I am a sixty-six year old man; some > days I feel physically more vibrant than others. This too > seems normal to me. > > One thing I feel very grateful for is that I enjoy > excellent health most of the time. It is rare that I ever > feel ill or even get the flu. Other than sexual dysfunction, > I have no complaints....healthwise. My heart is great, > haven't ever had cancer, have some allergies which are not > too bad. Normally, I have lots of energy. I am mentally > alert although not a brilliant as I would wish to be. All in > all, life is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of > that can > > > come from > > > > > high E2, but > > > > > > > I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am > NOT on > > > TRT. > > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water > retention, > > > and > > > > > basically a total > > > > > > > lack of interest in sex. I > think these > > > are from > > > > > the high E2 > > > > > > > in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Well some people are born this way it's funny people that see women that are Bi it's a turn on but when they see Bi men it's a different story. I take people as they are if every one was the same what a boring world we would be living in. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:23 AM > I haven't given up at all, . > If I had, I wouldn't have pursued TRT. > > One thing I've neglected to mention is that I am bisexual. > This has clearly caused me some psychological issues when it > comes to sexual relations. My wife and I have been married > for forty-six years. We are as solid as a rock regardless of > our sexual incompatibility. Being with her is of primary > importance to me. However, I am sexually more attracted to > other men than to women. If I had to choose between these > two inconsistencies, I choose my wife, always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of that > can come > > > from high > > > > > E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on > TRT. > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water > retention, and > > > basically a > > > > > total lack of interest in sex. I think > these are > > > from the > > > > > high E2 in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs were giving me a lot of pain they all told me this is not possible. " Sounds like you have a good malpractice case against your Dr. They have known about the serious damage that statins can do to a small number of patients since they were put on the market. They also know that the problem requires immediate attention once reported by the patient. If you told you doctor that you were experiencing muscle pain after starting taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed your claim. Then there is no gray area here. Your doctor committed malpractice, and you are crippled as a result. You should consider taking this up with an attorney. The damage cannot be reversed, but you should at least be compensated for it. Not a perfect solution, but the best that our society has come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 When you say the damage cannot be reversed I have talked to a lot of people at forums that got better once off Statin Drugs and taking CoQ10 supplements to fix this. If I were not getting better on the supplements and or don't get better I will take some action. But did you ever do a search about taking action on this problem no one is listed as winning this unless they settled and can't talk about it. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Spanky <spankysd@...> > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > were giving me a lot of pain they all > told me this is not possible. " > > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case against your > Dr. They have > known about the serious damage that statins can do to a > small number of > patients since they were put on the market. They also know > that the problem > requires immediate attention once reported by the patient. > > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing muscle > pain after starting > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed your claim. > Then there is no > gray area here. Your doctor committed malpractice, and you > are crippled as a > result. You should consider taking this up with an > attorney. The damage > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be compensated > for it. Not a > perfect solution, but the best that our society has come up > with. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 I am no medical expert. I am glad for you that the damage might be reversible. I hope that it is. I sued the City of San Diego some years back because one of their buses ran me over. The drive was cited. The bus company did not argue that they were not at fault, only the amount of damages. I settled with them. Part of the settlement agreement was that I would not discuss the amount that we settled for with others. It is fairly common to have some sort of secrecy clause in a settlement. The fact that you settled is essentially a public record if a lawsuit has been filed. So, that is not a secret. Usually, what they want to protect is the amount of money involved. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:38 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > > > When you say the damage cannot be reversed I have talked to a lot of people > at forums that got better once off Statin Drugs and taking CoQ10 supplements > to fix this. If I were not getting better on the supplements and or don't > get better I will take some action. But did you ever do a search about > taking action on this problem no one is listed as winning this unless they > settled and can't talk about it. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > > < %40> > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > > > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > > were giving me a lot of pain they all > > told me this is not possible. " > > > > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case against your > > Dr. They have > > known about the serious damage that statins can do to a > > small number of > > patients since they were put on the market. They also know > > that the problem > > requires immediate attention once reported by the patient. > > > > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing muscle > > pain after starting > > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed your claim. > > Then there is no > > gray area here. Your doctor committed malpractice, and you > > are crippled as a > > result. You should consider taking this up with an > > attorney. The damage > > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be compensated > > for it. Not a > > perfect solution, but the best that our society has come up > > with. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Also, if you are in a lot of pain for a period of time, you might be entitled to something. Any good lawyer will give you a free consultation. It can't hurt you to talk to one. As I say, I am not a doctor. But I do know that the warnings about muscle and tissue damage with statins are well known to be VERY serious warnings. Any doctor who ignored your symptoms clearly committed malpractice. The rule in medicine is to err on the side of caution. It is better to do the diagnostics to find out it is nothing, than to ignore a reported problem and have it turn out to be serious. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:38 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > > > When you say the damage cannot be reversed I have talked to a lot of people > at forums that got better once off Statin Drugs and taking CoQ10 supplements > to fix this. If I were not getting better on the supplements and or don't > get better I will take some action. But did you ever do a search about > taking action on this problem no one is listed as winning this unless they > settled and can't talk about it. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > > < %40> > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > > > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > > were giving me a lot of pain they all > > told me this is not possible. " > > > > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case against your > > Dr. They have > > known about the serious damage that statins can do to a > > small number of > > patients since they were put on the market. They also know > > that the problem > > requires immediate attention once reported by the patient. > > > > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing muscle > > pain after starting > > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed your claim. > > Then there is no > > gray area here. Your doctor committed malpractice, and you > > are crippled as a > > result. You should consider taking this up with an > > attorney. The damage > > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be compensated > > for it. Not a > > perfect solution, but the best that our society has come up > > with. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Oh... and finally. I did sit on the jury of a medical malpractice case. Our verdict had several parts. 1. did the doctor commit malpractice? 2. Was damage done as a result of the malpractice? 3. is the damaged party entitled to money? If so, how much? So, just because a doctor commits malpractice, that is not enough to collect damages. He must have harmed you by committing the malpractice. It sounds like he did, from what you say. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Spanky <spankysd@...> wrote: > Also, if you are in a lot of pain for a period of time, you might be > entitled to something. Any good lawyer will give you a free consultation. It > can't hurt you to talk to one. > > As I say, I am not a doctor. But I do know that the warnings about muscle > and tissue damage with statins are well known to be VERY serious warnings. > Any doctor who ignored your symptoms clearly committed malpractice. The rule > in medicine is to err on the side of caution. It is better to do the > diagnostics to find out it is nothing, than to ignore a reported problem and > have it turn out to be serious. > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:38 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > >> >> >> When you say the damage cannot be reversed I have talked to a lot of >> people at forums that got better once off Statin Drugs and taking CoQ10 >> supplements to fix this. If I were not getting better on the supplements and >> or don't get better I will take some action. But did you ever do a search >> about taking action on this problem no one is listed as winning this unless >> they settled and can't talk about it. >> Co-Moderator >> Phil >> >> >> >> > From: Spanky <spankysd@... <spankysd%40gmail.com>> >> > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? >> > < %40> >> > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM >> >> > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs >> > were giving me a lot of pain they all >> > told me this is not possible. " >> > >> > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case against your >> > Dr. They have >> > known about the serious damage that statins can do to a >> > small number of >> > patients since they were put on the market. They also know >> > that the problem >> > requires immediate attention once reported by the patient. >> > >> > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing muscle >> > pain after starting >> > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed your claim. >> > Then there is no >> > gray area here. Your doctor committed malpractice, and you >> > are crippled as a >> > result. You should consider taking this up with an >> > attorney. The damage >> > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be compensated >> > for it. Not a >> > perfect solution, but the best that our society has come up >> > with. >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 How do you get around SOC (standard of care)? It is protocol to give a heart patient statins. If a doc doesn't, HE could be in trouble for not following SOC. This is why thyroid patients have so much trouble getting proper meds. It is SOC to dose by TSH, and that is often an unreliable indicator of a person's thyroid status. > >> > >> > From: Spanky <spankysd@... <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > >> > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > >> > < %40> > >> > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > >> > >> > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > >> > were giving me a lot of pain they all > >> > told me this is not possible. " > >> > > >> > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case against your > >> > Dr. They have > >> > known about the serious damage that statins can do to a > >> > small number of > >> > patients since they were put on the market. They also know > >> > that the problem > >> > requires immediate attention once reported by the patient. > >> > > >> > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing muscle > >> > pain after starting > >> > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed your claim. > >> > Then there is no > >> > gray area here. Your doctor committed malpractice, and you > >> > are crippled as a > >> > result. You should consider taking this up with an > >> > attorney. The damage > >> > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be compensated > >> > for it. Not a > >> > perfect solution, but the best that our society has come up > >> > with. > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 The side effects of statins are potentially deadly. Sometime switching from one statin to another will solve the problem. Regardless of whether a patient should be on a statin, when a patient on statins reports muscle and joint pain, the standard of care is to tell the patient to discontinue the drug and to report immediately for an examination. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Barb <baba@...> wrote: > > > How do you get around SOC (standard of care)? It is protocol to give a > heart patient statins. If a doc doesn't, HE could be in trouble for not > following SOC. > > This is why thyroid patients have so much trouble getting proper meds. It > is SOC to dose by TSH, and that is often an unreliable indicator of a > person's thyroid status. > > > > > >> > > >> > From: Spanky <spankysd@... <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > > > >> > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > > >> > < %40>< % > 40> > > > >> > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > > >> > > >> > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > > >> > were giving me a lot of pain they all > > >> > told me this is not possible. " > > >> > > > >> > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case against your > > >> > Dr. They have > > >> > known about the serious damage that statins can do to a > > >> > small number of > > >> > patients since they were put on the market. They also know > > >> > that the problem > > >> > requires immediate attention once reported by the patient. > > >> > > > >> > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing muscle > > >> > pain after starting > > >> > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed your claim. > > >> > Then there is no > > >> > gray area here. Your doctor committed malpractice, and you > > >> > are crippled as a > > >> > result. You should consider taking this up with an > > >> > attorney. The damage > > >> > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be compensated > > >> > for it. Not a > > >> > perfect solution, but the best that our society has come up > > >> > with. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Well I will tell you I am dam mad about this crap. And everyone that knows me and sees me walking with a walker asks me what happened. When I tell them they all tell me they had a problem with Statin meds or know some one that did. I guess in my case it was hard for the Dr.'s to know what was doing this to me. When I had Heart Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago I was in a coma 13 weeks and need to learn how to walk again. But I kept telling them I never felt like I got my legs back. Now we all know I never got them back because of the Statin meds sides. But how can you prove this it would be dam hard. Years ago when I was coming back to work from sick leave I was locked out of work they would not let me back cut off my sick pay and no unemployment. I went to the EEOC pressed charges against the Co. I settled with them it cost them a lot yet I can't say anymore about this. I tell men if you lose your job because your sick you can do this. Don't take no crap from anyone because your sick. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... > <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > < %40> > > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > > > > > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > > > were giving me a lot of pain they all > > > told me this is not possible. " > > > > > > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case > against your > > > Dr. They have > > > known about the serious damage that statins can > do to a > > > small number of > > > patients since they were put on the market. They > also know > > > that the problem > > > requires immediate attention once reported by the > patient. > > > > > > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing > muscle > > > pain after starting > > > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed > your claim. > > > Then there is no > > > gray area here. Your doctor committed > malpractice, and you > > > are crippled as a > > > result. You should consider taking this up with > an > > > attorney. The damage > > > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be > compensated > > > for it. Not a > > > perfect solution, but the best that our society > has come up > > > with. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Yep I talked to a lawyer he is a member in my wife's family he did some checking and as it turns out it was the Dr. that did the surgery on me that put me on the Statin drugs. Every time I told my Heart Dr. I felt the pain I was having was from the meds they could not take me off them. They would call the Dr. that did the surgery and all he would do would be to change the kind of Statin med or the dose he would not take me off them. So the lawyer told me if I went after anyone it would have to be the Dr. that put me on it. Dr.'s will not go and undo what the Dr. that did the Surgery put some one on. This Dr. saved my life I died 5 x's he had to open me up 5 x's due to infections and leave me open until the blood thinners were out of my body. So he had to keep me in a coma for 13 weeks. Every thing any Dr. did my wife took notes she has there name the time and date and what they did. When it looked like they were giving up on me she came back with the lawyer in the family. And made the Dr.'s tell him why things were going to bad. He feels I had the best treatment there is and it's a miracle I am a live. Dr.'s would drop into my room to see the guy that lived through all this. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... > <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > < %40> > > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > > > > > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > > > were giving me a lot of pain they all > > > told me this is not possible. " > > > > > > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case > against your > > > Dr. They have > > > known about the serious damage that statins can > do to a > > > small number of > > > patients since they were put on the market. They > also know > > > that the problem > > > requires immediate attention once reported by the > patient. > > > > > > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing > muscle > > > pain after starting > > > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed > your claim. > > > Then there is no > > > gray area here. Your doctor committed > malpractice, and you > > > are crippled as a > > > result. You should consider taking this up with > an > > > attorney. The damage > > > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be > compensated > > > for it. Not a > > > perfect solution, but the best that our society > has come up > > > with. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 I would just be very happy to recover from this and be able to get back to my self. Co-Moderator Phil > >> > >> > From: Spanky <spankysd@... > <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > >> > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > >> > > < %40> > >> > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > >> > >> > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > >> > were giving me a lot of pain they all > >> > told me this is not possible. " > >> > > >> > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case > against your > >> > Dr. They have > >> > known about the serious damage that statins > can do to a > >> > small number of > >> > patients since they were put on the market. > They also know > >> > that the problem > >> > requires immediate attention once reported by > the patient. > >> > > >> > If you told you doctor that you were > experiencing muscle > >> > pain after starting > >> > taking a statin drug, and your doctor > dismissed your claim. > >> > Then there is no > >> > gray area here. Your doctor committed > malpractice, and you > >> > are crippled as a > >> > result. You should consider taking this up > with an > >> > attorney. The damage > >> > cannot be reversed, but you should at least > be compensated > >> > for it. Not a > >> > perfect solution, but the best that our > society has come up > >> > with. > >> > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 I just wish I had seen this web site when I first started having pain on Statin Drugs I would have told my Dr.'s to shove them. http://www.spacedoc.net/muscle_pain_statins.htm# In the last two days I have been trying to walk 30 min.'s / day. I am feeling stronger so I started doing this Monday walking 2 min.'s every hour it was not bad but I still have pain and it is very bad at night time. Yesterday I walked 5 min.'s at a time with out using my walker and was doing great. But this morning I am in a lot of pain and can't walk easy with my walker. So now what Dr.'s say I need to walk 30 min's a day but doing this to me is making the problem worse. I just don't see this getting better if when I try to exercise I get set back like this. Co-Moderator Phil > From: phil <phildude43@...> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:50 PM > I would take my chances without > statins.Big money in statins and drs are pushed to > prescribe.Total high cholesterol and high LDL means > nothing.Only tests to be concerned is having a high HDL and > a low VLDL.Of course having low triglerides is very > important.But when one has low triglcerides,it throws the > calculations way off.The LDL is estimated and not directly > determined.Most drs won't directly check the VLDL by VAP > test.Just easier to prescibe statins and God only knows the > long term effect of taking these potentially dangerous > drugs.If one is inclined to take a cholesterol drug,just > take slo niacin with a baby aspirin 30 mins prior to taking > it.this prevents the hot flash.It is a natural vitamin and > is very effective.No profit in it, so it's rarely > prescribed. Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't > know if all of > > > > that can > > > > > > come from > > > > > > > > high E2, but > > > > > > > > > > I am sure not > any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is > high, and I am > > > > NOT on > > > > > > TRT. > > > > > > > > > > > I have > fatigue, water > > > > retention, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > basically a total > > > > > > > > > > lack of > interest in sex. I > > > > think these > > > > > > are from > > > > > > > > the high E2 > > > > > > > > > > in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Sorry to bump this old pist but I am also suing my employer for the same thing through the eeoc. Any tips? > > > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... > > <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > > > < %40> > > > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > > > > > > > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > > > > were giving me a lot of pain they all > > > > told me this is not possible. " > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have a good malpractice case > > against your > > > > Dr. They have > > > > known about the serious damage that statins can > > do to a > > > > small number of > > > > patients since they were put on the market. They > > also know > > > > that the problem > > > > requires immediate attention once reported by the > > patient. > > > > > > > > If you told you doctor that you were experiencing > > muscle > > > > pain after starting > > > > taking a statin drug, and your doctor dismissed > > your claim. > > > > Then there is no > > > > gray area here. Your doctor committed > > malpractice, and you > > > > are crippled as a > > > > result. You should consider taking this up with > > an > > > > attorney. The damage > > > > cannot be reversed, but you should at least be > > compensated > > > > for it. Not a > > > > perfect solution, but the best that our society > > has come up > > > > with. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 HI Bruce and Welcome, Here is a link to my story might help you. All I can tell you is don't quit hold your ground. My first hearing with work and the EEOC my work did not show up. So all this did was makes things worse for them. Works thinking is your going to run out of money and give it to some small settlement. In most cases the Co. your working for is betting you will not take action against them. After a time I got a call not from the Co. but from my Union Rep. saying they wanted to meet with me to talk about a settlement. The EEOC told me they could not be there with me but to not sine anything and make sure there offer is in writing. And to being it in so they can go over it. I was offered my job back with full back pay or an early out retirement with pay like I was age 65 and 30 yrs of service I had 28 yrs in. I ended up settling for retirement like I was 65 at age 55. For all the time I was locked out of work I was paid back with any over time pay anyone in my dept. worked at the time they were working 12 hrs / day 7 days a week. And I got a big lump sum of money. I can't say they make you sine a paper saying you will not tell anyone about the amount. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/ I don't feel sorry for any Co. that would pull crap on some one that is sick. Also in my settlement I had in this the Supervisor working in Personal lose his job he did. And I took action against him in court he went over and above his job to harass me. He filed for Bank Bankruptcy but I made his life a living He**. I had the dumb A** on tape over the phone telling me he is going to make my life a living He** telling me he thinks I am faking and pulling the wool over on the Dr.'s. All of them and I can't fool him. And when he is though with me I will never work anywhere. Co-Moderator Phil > From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@...> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 11:32 PM > Sorry to bump this old pist but I am > also suing my employer for the same thing through the > eeoc. Any tips? > > > > > > > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... > > > <spankysd%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: E2 > symptoms? > > > > > > > > < %40> > > > > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:10 > PM > > > > > > > > > " I told my Dr.'s them Statin drugs > > > > > were giving me a lot of pain they all > > > > > told me this is not possible. " > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have a good malpractice > case > > > against your > > > > > Dr. They have > > > > > known about the serious damage that > statins can > > > do to a > > > > > small number of > > > > > patients since they were put on the > market. They > > > also know > > > > > that the problem > > > > > requires immediate attention once > reported by the > > > patient. > > > > > > > > > > If you told you doctor that you were > experiencing > > > muscle > > > > > pain after starting > > > > > taking a statin drug, and your doctor > dismissed > > > your claim. > > > > > Then there is no > > > > > gray area here. Your doctor committed > > > malpractice, and you > > > > > are crippled as a > > > > > result. You should consider taking this > up with > > > an > > > > > attorney. The damage > > > > > cannot be reversed, but you should at > least be > > > compensated > > > > > for it. Not a > > > > > perfect solution, but the best that our > society > > > has come up > > > > > with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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