Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

[Guest guest]

I've read that femara which is a breast cancer drug can possibly reverse it. I'd

like to give it a try but I'm concerned about side effects.

>

> I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result, I

developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

>

> Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

I think the only solution is surgery. They must physically remove the tissue.

My TRT doc had it done.

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treatment of existing gynecomastia

I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result, I

developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing tissue?

I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be preferred.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Have you spoken to a doctor about this?

You should just go to a few plastic surgeons and see how much it costs. Can't

hurt.

Personally, I wouldn't risk taking that drug. The surgery is the safest way.

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Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

I've read that femara which is a breast cancer drug can possibly reverse it. I'd

like to give it a try but I'm concerned about side effects.

>

> I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result, I

developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

>

> Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

It will cost approx $7000.00 & it may have to be repeated if the underlying

cause, high E2, is not corrected.

Millions of us have learned to live with them.

> >

> > I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result,

I developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

> >

> > Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

High E2 I believe is corrected with Arimidex. Everyone here uses Arimidex or

DIM.

That's pretty pricey.

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Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

It will cost approx $7000.00 & it may have to be repeated if the underlying

cause, high E2, is not corrected.

Millions of us have learned to live with them.

> >

> > I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result,

I developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

> >

> > Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been taking care of that for guys for $2000, both sides, no general

anesthesia, no scars, in and out in a couple hours. Excellent results-CAN'T

come back.

www.ATMgyno.com

This is a new site we just put up-obviously needs a lot of work.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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Wow that's fantastic pricing.

I am saving up to go see you Dr Crisler. You are the ultimate guru.

I tried to cycle TRT and took Nolvadex, I'm 26 and stopped everything for some

time but haven't felt the same since.

I had excellent natural levels of T but made a dumb mistake.

I have been to multiple docs and I realize I must see you.

Marc

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Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

I've been taking care of that for guys for $2000, both sides, no general

anesthesia, no scars, in and out in a couple hours. Excellent results-CAN'T

come back.

www.ATMgyno.com

This is a new site we just put up-obviously needs a lot of work.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

Anti-Aging Medicine

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Will Arimidex have any effect on existing gynecomastia? Will exercise or

strength training have any effect?

> > >

> > > I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result,

I developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

> > >

> > > Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As far as I know gyno is breast tissue. Somebody did mention a certain type of

breast cancer drug but I don't know anything about it.

Arimidex will prevent T being converted to E2. But It can't remove the tissue.

Dr charges 2K for the surgical procedure.

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Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

Will Arimidex have any effect on existing gynecomastia? Will exercise or

strength training have any effect?

> > >

> > > I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result,

I developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

> > >

> > > Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Is gynecomastia following a natural loss of testosterone level, or an increase

in E2 due to TRT, a health concern (e.g., a new cancer site), or just a cosmetic

issue?? Any argument that'll entice insurance to pitch in?? ......... &

V............

>

> I've been taking care of that for guys for $2000, both sides, no general

> anesthesia, no scars, in and out in a couple hours. Excellent results-CAN'T

> come back.

>

>

>

> www.ATMgyno.com

>

>

>

> This is a new site we just put up-obviously needs a lot of work.

>

>

>

>

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/22/2010 7:29:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

Hibschmana1@... writes:

I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result,

I developed a small amount of gynecomastia-I had an endo for a little

while who mismanaged my treatment. A

Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

Thanks!

Yes. Try taking 120mgs/day of raloxifene for 3 months, or until the gyno

disappears. If that doesn't work, and you are willing to endure some

unpleasant side effects, you might wish to try 2.5mgs/day of letrozole for 30

days

followed by 2.5mgs/day of letro + 120mgs/day of raloxifene for 10 days,

followed by 120mgs/day ralox for 2 weeks, followed by 1 week at 60, then 1 at

30, then...stopping. Letro causes a big estrogen rebound after

discontinuation, hence the use of ralox afterwards...

Alldaychemist has both for cheap...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2010 12:14:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

Hibschmana1@... writes:

Will Arimidex have any effect on existing gynecomastia? Will exercise or

strength training have any effect?

Almost certainly not.

[Guest guest]

If it's breast tissue the only thing that will work is sugary. If not Arimidex

works but you need to test this first it's not good to lower Estradiol levels to

low.

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Phil

> From: WithBACON@... <WithBACON@...>

> Subject: Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

>

> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 8:49 PM

>

> In a message dated 3/22/2010 7:29:30 P.M. US Mountain

> Standard Time, 

> Hibschmana1@...

> writes:

>

> I had  an endo for a little while who mismanaged my

> treatment. As a result,

> I  developed a small amount of gynecomastia-I

> had  an endo for a little

> while who mismanaged my treatment. A

>

> Is there anything I can take or  anything I can do to

> reduce the existing

> tissue? I don't want to consider  surgery, so

> non-surgical options would be 

> preferred.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

> Yes. Try taking 120mgs/day of raloxifene for 3 months, or

> until the gyno 

> disappears. If that doesn't work, and you are willing to

> endure some

> unpleasant  side effects, you might wish to try

> 2.5mgs/day of letrozole for 30 days

> followed  by 2.5mgs/day of letro + 120mgs/day of

> raloxifene for 10 days,

> followed by  120mgs/day ralox for 2 weeks, followed by

> 1 week at 60, then 1 at

> 30,  then...stopping. Letro causes a big estrogen

> rebound after

> discontinuation,  hence the use of ralox

> afterwards...

>

> Alldaychemist has both for cheap...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/25/2010 6:42:32 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

If it's breast tissue the only thing that will work is sugary. If not

Arimidex works but you need to test this first it's not good to lower Estradiol

levels to low.

This actually isn't true. Google " raloxifene gyno " for example. There are

studies showing DRAMATIC reductions in gyno with raloxifene (and

tamoxifene), sometimes to the point of complete apparent disappearance. And

anecdotal

word on use of letrozole is even better. Gyno is highly influenced by

estrogen or lack thereof.

Example:

1: J Pediatr. 2004 Jul;145(1):71-6. Related Articles, Links

Comment in:

* J Pediatr. 2005 Apr;146(4):576; author reply 576-7.

* J Pediatr. 2005 Apr;146(4):576; author reply 576-7.

Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of

pubertal gynecomastia.

Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.

Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

_slawrence@..._ (mailto:slawrence@...)

OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and

raloxifene in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia.

STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with

persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology

clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an

estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene).

RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with

gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule

diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen

and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement

was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving

raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with

raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any

patients.

CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears

to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with

a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is

required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.

PMID: 15238910 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Guest guest]

I had big boobs, lost from 270 to under 200.All breast tissue went away.Still

with pointy nipples but nothing underneath.Lose all excess body fat and you will

be happy with results. Phil

>

> I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my treatment. As a result, I

developed a small amount of gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I

imagine, definitely noticeable.

>

> Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to reduce the existing

tissue? I don't want to consider surgery, so non-surgical options would be

preferred.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Phil this is great I only wish before I die I can go this it would be great if I

could get down to 225 lbs. Someday this will happen for me it's just been on

set back after the other. And I eat the Weight Watches program but when I can't

get any exercise the weight comes back on. It's like an end less battle you

work or self into shape at the gym and it takes a long time the a set back and

all your gains are loss in a very short time.

So I feel what your did is great and very hard to do.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

> Subject: Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

>

> Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 9:49 AM

> I had big boobs, lost from 270 to

> under 200.All breast tissue went away.Still with pointy

> nipples but nothing underneath.Lose all excess body fat and

> you will be happy with results.  Phil

>

>

> >

> > I had an endo for a little while who mismanaged my

> treatment. As a result,  I developed a small amount of

> gynecomastia--not overly significant, but, I imagine,

> definitely noticeable.

> >

> > Is there anything I can take or anything I can do to

> reduce the existing tissue? I don't want to consider

> surgery, so non-surgical options would be preferred.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great thinks for the heads up this is why forums are good we share some good

info.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: WithBACON@... <WithBACON@...>

> Subject: Re: treatment of existing gynecomastia

>

> Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 1:46 PM

>

> In a message dated 4/25/2010 6:42:32 A.M. US Mountain

> Standard Time, 

> pmgamer18@...

> writes:

>

> If  it's breast tissue the only thing that will work

> is sugary. If not

> Arimidex  works but you need to test this first it's

> not good to lower Estradiol

> levels  to low.

>

>

> This actually isn't true. Google " raloxifene gyno " for

> example. There are 

> studies showing DRAMATIC reductions in gyno with raloxifene

> (and 

> tamoxifene), sometimes to the point of complete apparent

> disappearance. And  anecdotal

> word on use of letrozole is even better. Gyno is highly

> influenced by 

> estrogen or lack thereof.

>

> Example:

>

> 1: J Pediatr. 2004 Jul;145(1):71-6. Related Articles,

> Links

>

> Comment  in:

>

> * J Pediatr. 2005 Apr;146(4):576; author reply 576-7.

> * J Pediatr.  2005 Apr;146(4):576; author reply

> 576-7.

>

> Beneficial effects of raloxifene  and tamoxifen in the

> treatment of

> pubertal gynecomastia.

> Lawrence SE, Faught  KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.

> Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, 

> Ontario, Canada.

>

> _slawrence@..._

> (mailto:slawrence@...)

>

>

> OBJECTIVES: To assess the  efficacy of the

> anti-estrogens tamoxifen and

> raloxifene in the medical  management of persistent

> pubertal gynecomastia.

>

> STUDY DESIGN:  Retrospective chart review of 38

> consecutive patients with

> persistent pubertal  gynecomastia who presented to a

> pediatric endocrinology

> clinic. Patients  received reassurance alone or a 3-

> to 9-month course of an

> estrogen receptor  modifier (tamoxifen or

> raloxifene).

>

> RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated  subjects was 14.6

> (1.5) years with

> gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months.  Mean

> reduction in breast nodule

> diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P  <.0001)

> after treatment with tamoxifen

> and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P  <.0001) with

> raloxifene. Some improvement

> was seen in 86% of patients  receiving tamoxifen and

> in 91% receiving

> raloxifene, but a greater proportion  had a

> significant decrease (>50%) with

> raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen  (41%). No side

> effects were seen in any patients.

>

> CONCLUSION:  Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in

> the breast appears

> to be safe and  effective in reducing persistent

> pubertal gynecomastia, with

> a better  response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen.

> Further study is

> required to  determine that this is truly a treatment

> effect.

>

> PMID: 15238910 [PubMed -  indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not aware of any " estrogen rebound " status post discontinuation of

aromatase inhibitors.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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[Guest guest]

I think it would make more sense to take the SERM class drug (and tamoxifen

is good at a much cheaper price) concurrently with the AI.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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