Re: Bruce First question for the group

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group...can you tell us the names of the blood tests you have had

to diagnose Hashi, any s*x hormone testing, list your results and the lab's

values, the thyroid med and strength you were given and if you have had any 24

hour saliva adrenal testing? With that high TSH you are miserable I know...Also,

what do you eat on a regular day...thyroid/adrenal and s*x hormones closely

tied...EL

>

> Hello everyone. I am a lurker, I have been reading the posts on here for a

couple weeks. My friend told me about this board.

>

> Quick history, I was diagnosed with hashimotos about a year ago. Im not

taking any thyroid because it makes me feel like death. My tsh was at 7 or 8,

but it was just checked and it went up to about 22.

>

> My testosterone was at 215 range 400-800 last time checked. I tried taking

testosterone both as androgel and as the patch, but it did the same weird crap

to me as the thyroid did.

>

> Whats really odd is, every day around 3 pm I get this weird sensation for

about two - three hours as if someone kicked me in the " boys " . I get light

headed, sweaty, confused, ears ring, heart palps. This is every single day.

>

> I assume this is thyroid related, but just by chance it could be testosterone

or testicle related I wanted to post this. Any input would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you

>

[Guest guest]

You need to get proper evaluation of all horomones and other parameters from

diagnostic testing. Once data is gathered then you need to get with a qualified

health professional to properly analyze the results. When implementing testing I

tend to have a comprehensive lists of test to be completed ruling out several

different area. When dealing with cases I look at the pathology of the problem

by examining biological, structural, emotional, psychological, environmental,

hormonal, nutritoinal, and lifestyle imbalances which may be present. Taking an

integrative approach will get you the best desired results.

>

> Hello everyone. I am a lurker, I have been reading the posts on here for a

couple weeks. My friend told me about this board.

>

> Quick history, I was diagnosed with hashimotos about a year ago. Im not

taking any thyroid because it makes me feel like death. My tsh was at 7 or 8,

but it was just checked and it went up to about 22.

>

> My testosterone was at 215 range 400-800 last time checked. I tried taking

testosterone both as androgel and as the patch, but it did the same weird crap

to me as the thyroid did.

>

> Whats really odd is, every day around 3 pm I get this weird sensation for

about two - three hours as if someone kicked me in the " boys " . I get light

headed, sweaty, confused, ears ring, heart palps. This is every single day.

>

> I assume this is thyroid related, but just by chance it could be testosterone

or testicle related I wanted to post this. Any input would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bruce and Welcome,

You need to test your Cortisol levels a fast test is to do a morning fasting

blood test is your below 12 then do a 4x's in a day Saliva test to see how your

rithum looks.

Can you post your labs the Dr.'s did and tell me how much Thyroid med they put

you on and the name of it.

My wife has hashimotos and when they first tired to treat her they put her on a

normal starting dose of Synthroid a day later she felt very bad much like she

was having a heart attack it was the meds dose to strong for her.

And like you she had very high TSH levels then her TSH would fall to normal.

Back in them days some 30 yrs ago she could not take the meds even at a low

dose. If here antibodies were attacking her thyroid levels would be low they

give here meds. Next thing her antibodies would stop attacking her Thyroid and

she would go hyper on the meds.

Back then they did RAI (Radio Active Iodine) shots to kill her thyroid so she

could take meds all the time.

Today what we know about doing this we would not have done it.

Here is a link about labs and hashimotos might help you.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/woliner.htm

In your case I would try to get your Thyroid under control the retest your

Testosterone levels they might come back up. If you go on TRT it's for life

make dam sure you know why your levels are low and they can't be fixed.

Here is a cut and paste from this link I pray this helps you.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/hashimotos/

===================================================

HOW DO I TREAT IT? You treat Hashi’s the same way you do just plan

hypothyroid–with thyroid medications. Why? Because if raised high enough, they

can stop the attack. We have seen those on thyroxine T4-only (aka Synthroid,

Levoxyl, etc) have some success in stopping the attack, but patients who

switched to desiccated thyroid noticed even better results, especially if they

dosed by symptoms rather than labs. Some doctors have unwisely recommended

non-treatment until labwork “stabilizesâ€, but that could take months and

years, and you continue to suffer.

The attack can happen over a few weeks or extend into years. It has been stated

that antibodies can be present for years even after you counter the attack with

desiccated thyroid hormone. But patients on desiccated thyroid have noted that

antibodies greatly fall if they dose high enough.

WHY DID MY HASHI’S GET WORSE ON DESICCATED THYROID (and even Synthroid and

other T4 meds)? Easy answer: you have stayed on lower doses too long and you

haven’t risen high enough, quick enough. Lower doses of desiccated thyroid and

other thyroid meds, as well as staying with each raise too long, will FEED the

attack, not stop it. You then have further swelling in your throat, or hair

loss, or high anxiety, or a raise in your antibodies…and heightened hypo

symptoms with a higher TSH. And doctors who aren’t knowledgeable about

desiccated thyroid might put you back on synthetics, or take you off your meds

completely. The solution is to RAISE THE DESICCATED THYROID faster and according

to the elimination of symptoms and NOT labs. Most seem to end up in the 3-5

grains area to stop that attack, with a few lower and a few higher. (Also note

that some patients with Hashi’s have developed adrenal fatigue, and you may

need to treat that before you can

raise your thyroid meds high enough to stop the attack)

Note: as of 2009, if you are on Armour, it may be the reason you’re not doing

well with your Hashi’s. Armour was reformulated, and patients reported a

return of symptoms no matter how high they raise it. The solution soon

discovered was the thoroughly CHEW UP the tablets to release the desiccated

thyroid from the excess cellulose. This may also need to be done with

Naturethroid, as it was reformulated, as well.

MY DOC SAYS I SHOULDN’T BE ON THYROID MEDS WHEN I’M HYPER FROM HASHI’S. IS

HE CORRECT? The hyper when you have Hashi’s is caused by the die-off of

thyroid hormones from the attack and their dump in to your blood. You also will

swing between hypo and hyper as explained above. But to say you shouldn’t be

on thyroid meds is wrong according to the vast experience of Hashimotos

patients. You want to stop the attack and the swings, and the only way to do

that is to be on thyroid meds, and raise high enough to stop the attack, which

in turn will stop the hyper swings. You’ll have to fight your doctor’s

tendency to hold you too long on each raise, or to dose you by the TSH or other

labs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@...>

> Subject: Bruce First question for the group

>

> Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 9:14 PM

> Hello everyone.  I am a lurker,

> I have been reading the posts on here for a couple

> weeks.  My friend told me about this board.

>

> Quick history, I was diagnosed with hashimotos about a year

> ago.  Im not taking any thyroid because it makes me

> feel like death.  My tsh was at 7 or 8, but it was just

> checked and it went up to about 22. 

>

> My testosterone was at 215 range 400-800 last time

> checked.  I tried taking testosterone both as androgel

> and as the patch, but it did the same weird crap to me as

> the thyroid did.

>

> Whats really odd is, every day around 3 pm I get this weird

> sensation for about two - three hours as if someone kicked

> me in the " boys " .  I get light headed, sweaty,

> confused, ears ring, heart palps. This is every single

> day.   

>

> I assume this is thyroid related, but just by chance it

> could be testosterone or testicle related I wanted to post

> this.   Any input would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, I hear you are a " legend " amongst us. I am going through EXACTLY what

your wife went through.

I have all my tests. I have gone through this for a year with no avail. Ive

had every test known to mankind. Every. Period. There is not a test that was

not performed on me. Ive had bone marrow taps, spinal taps, mri's , sonograms,

4 time spit tests, pee tests, poo tests, things going down my throat, things

going up my a$$, thyroid, testosterone, biopsies, gallbladder removed, brain

scans, stomache scans, cancer work ups, heart tests, vestublar tests, ear exams,

eye exams, studies, sleep labs, EEG, EKG, everything and anything@!

so the bottom line is this... I cant take any thyroid. Cant even be in the

same room as the stuff and it makes me go nuts. My T is low.

If your wife didnt have the RAI, what would she of done?

Bruce

>

> > From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@...>

> > Subject: Bruce First question for the group

> >

> > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 9:14 PM

> > Hello everyone.  I am a lurker,

> > I have been reading the posts on here for a couple

> > weeks.  My friend told me about this board.

> >

> > Quick history, I was diagnosed with hashimotos about a year

> > ago.  Im not taking any thyroid because it makes me

> > feel like death.  My tsh was at 7 or 8, but it was just

> > checked and it went up to about 22. 

> >

> > My testosterone was at 215 range 400-800 last time

> > checked.  I tried taking testosterone both as androgel

> > and as the patch, but it did the same weird crap to me as

> > the thyroid did.

> >

> > Whats really odd is, every day around 3 pm I get this weird

> > sensation for about two - three hours as if someone kicked

> > me in the " boys " .  I get light headed, sweaty,

> > confused, ears ring, heart palps. This is every single

> > day.   

> >

> > I assume this is thyroid related, but just by chance it

> > could be testosterone or testicle related I wanted to post

> > this.   Any input would be appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Burce,

Sorry your going thrugh this at the time we did not know anything about

anything. If she went on Thyroid meds Synthroid she would go hyper feel like she

was having a heart attack. Her problem was she would be fine suffering from

Hashimoto’s Disease.

But going on Thyroid meds she would swing from hypo to hyper. When her

antibodies were on the attack off meds she would go hypo going on meds the

attack would stop she would go hyper. Read this from this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/hashimotos/

Her Dr.'s were Endo's and told her they needed to give her RAI to kill her

Thyroid so they could treat her. She did this never felt right now she was Hypo

all the time. Today we know it was the lack of T3. Now she feels good on

Shythroid with a small amount of T3.

We know today she did not need this RAI all she need to do was go on Armour work

up on the dose until her TSH went down this for most people stop the attack.

===================================================

WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF I HAVE HASHI’S?? As the attack increases, you

will tend to swing between hypo and hyper, making dosing by labs, and especially

the TSH, impossible. Your labs will be high one time, and low the next…back

and forth. The hyper is caused by the release of thyroid hormones into your

blood due to the destruction. The hypo is caused by the lessening function of

your thyroid due to the attack. If you do have Hashi’s, you may have to insist

to your lab-obsessed doctor to let you raise by the elimination of symptoms, not

labs, due to this reality.

NOTE: when uninformed doctors fail to do the antibodies test on you, or don’t

understand the swings of the attack, you can be wrongly diagnosed as having

bi-polar, which is simply the hyper swing of the attack!! Or as on Australian

gal called it, the “Yeeha†of her swing.

----------------------------------------------------

HOW DO I TREAT IT? You treat Hashi’s the same way you do just plan

hypothyroid–with thyroid medications. Why? Because if raised high enough, they

can stop the attack. We have seen those on thyroxine T4-only (aka Synthroid,

Levoxyl, etc) have some success in stopping the attack, but patients who

switched to desiccated thyroid noticed even better results, especially if they

dosed by symptoms rather than labs. Some doctors have unwisely recommended

non-treatment until labwork “stabilizesâ€, but that could take months and

years, and you continue to suffer.

The attack can happen over a few weeks or extend into years. It has been stated

that antibodies can be present for years even after you counter the attack with

desiccated thyroid hormone. But patients on desiccated thyroid have noted that

antibodies greatly fall if they dose high enough.

----------------------------------------------------

Also this is a good link about it.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/woliner.htm

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@...>

> Subject: Re: Bruce First question for the group

>

> Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 9:55 PM

> Phil,  I hear you are a " legend "

> amongst us.   I am going through EXACTLY what

> your wife went through.

>

> I have all my tests.  I have gone through this for a

> year with no avail.  Ive had every test known to

> mankind.  Every.  Period.  There is not a

> test that was not performed on me.  Ive had bone marrow

> taps, spinal taps, mri's , sonograms, 4 time spit tests, pee

> tests, poo tests, things going down my throat, things going

> up my a$$, thyroid, testosterone, biopsies, gallbladder

> removed, brain scans, stomache scans, cancer work ups, heart

> tests, vestublar tests, ear exams, eye exams, studies, sleep

> labs, EEG, EKG, everything and anything@!

>

> so the bottom line is this...  I cant take any

> thyroid.  Cant even be in the same room as the stuff

> and it makes me go nuts.  My T is low. 

>

> If your wife didnt have the RAI, what would she of done?

>

> Bruce

>

>

> >

> > > From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@...>

> > > Subject: Bruce First question for

> the group

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 9:14 PM

> > > Hello everyone.  I am a lurker,

> > > I have been reading the posts on here for a

> couple

> > > weeks.  My friend told me about this

> board.

> > >

> > > Quick history, I was diagnosed with hashimotos

> about a year

> > > ago.  Im not taking any thyroid because it

> makes me

> > > feel like death.  My tsh was at 7 or 8, but it

> was just

> > > checked and it went up to about 22. 

> > >

> > > My testosterone was at 215 range 400-800 last

> time

> > > checked.  I tried taking testosterone both as

> androgel

> > > and as the patch, but it did the same weird crap

> to me as

> > > the thyroid did.

> > >

> > > Whats really odd is, every day around 3 pm I get

> this weird

> > > sensation for about two - three hours as if

> someone kicked

> > > me in the " boys " .  I get light headed,

> sweaty,

> > > confused, ears ring, heart palps. This is every

> single

> > > day.   

> > >

> > > I assume this is thyroid related, but just by

> chance it

> > > could be testosterone or testicle related I

> wanted to post

> > > this.   Any input would be appreciated.

>

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I've read this post. 6 times now. You are saying if your wife didn't have rai

she would of been able to take thyroid then?

I'm going through the same exact thing she was. I can not take anything at all.

The link you sent me says that I should start with a large amount of synthroid

if I am reading correctly?

> > >

> > > > From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@>

> > > > Subject: Bruce First question for

> > the group

> > > >

> > > > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 9:14 PM

> > > > Hello everyone.  I am a lurker,

> > > > I have been reading the posts on here for a

> > couple

> > > > weeks.  My friend told me about this

> > board.

> > > >

> > > > Quick history, I was diagnosed with hashimotos

> > about a year

> > > > ago.  Im not taking any thyroid because it

> > makes me

> > > > feel like death.  My tsh was at 7 or 8, but it

> > was just

> > > > checked and it went up to about 22. 

> > > >

> > > > My testosterone was at 215 range 400-800 last

> > time

> > > > checked.  I tried taking testosterone both as

> > androgel

> > > > and as the patch, but it did the same weird crap

> > to me as

> > > > the thyroid did.

> > > >

> > > > Whats really odd is, every day around 3 pm I get

> > this weird

> > > > sensation for about two - three hours as if

> > someone kicked

> > > > me in the " boys " .  I get light headed,

> > sweaty,

> > > > confused, ears ring, heart palps. This is every

> > single

> > > > day.   

> > > >

> > > > I assume this is thyroid related, but just by

> > chance it

> > > > could be testosterone or testicle related I

> > wanted to post

> > > > this.   Any input would be appreciated.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Thank you

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Bruce I am not a Dr. but I will try to tell you how to do this.  As in the

bottom link I gave you start taking your Temps.

==================================================

“Though active thyroid hormone is needed to lower cholesterol and blood

pressure, to raise blood sugar when hypoglycemic, and to convert beta-carotene

into Vitamin A, there is no specific blood test to show whether thyroid hormone

is working properly or not. Dr. Broda , MD, PhD, who wrote one of the

first books on hypothyroidism, ‘Hypothyroidism: the unsuspected illness,'

described a simple temperature test using a mercury thermometer.11 Mercury

thermometers are more accurate than digital ones, and because they are hard to

find nowadays, I’ll sell one to you for a dollar (that’s all they cost me).

Here is a handout to describe how to do the test.

----------------------------------------------------

Here is a link to how to do this you start with your up 3 hrs. then you sit in

the same spot rest a little and take your temp. In the following link tells you

how to do this and chart your avg. Temp on a chart.  So you do this every 3

hrs. 3x's / day.

add them up div. by 3 this is your avg.  As you start on NTH Thyroid best one I

feel to try is called NP Thyroid sold at WallGreens.  Start with 30 mgs or one

half a grain you will see your temp avg. go up then by the end of 2 weeks fall

back a little when this happens add 30 mgs more and repeat up to 120 mgs or 60

mgs 2x's / day.  Print the chart out in this link.

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

http://www.drrind.com/forms.html#tempgraph

I use this to take my temps I find the digital oral thermometers don't work well

for this so get this they sell them at WallGreens.

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

And like the link at the bottom of my last post to you make a 10 top things list

on who your feeling and keep track everyday.

==================================================

“Lastly, I want you to take this sheet of paper that has ten, 10-point scales

on it. I want you to write down the ten things most important to you. For the

first line, fill in ‘Energy Level.' Zero will be where you can’t get out of

bed, ten being where you are excited about travel and are planning a fun trip.

If you are spending money you don’t have, you might be at a twelve. Please

call me before they take away your credit cards.†smiled. “Fill in

the other nine items with the things most important to you: weight, skin, and

mood are three things you’ve already mentioned. Many people also put down

constipation, hair growth/loss, nail quality, and cold/heat intolerance,

menstrual periods, and libido. Lastly, there are checkboxes at the bottom for

‘Palpitations’ (sensations of your heartbeat) and ‘Anxiety.' If you feel

like you have too much coffee or caffeine in your system, you might be getting

too much medication. Every so

often, scale yourself. If you are getting better – then we know you are on

the right track.â€

----------------------------------------------------

For my wife more was not better when she was on Armour she did 105 mgs / day

just 15 mgs more she felt Hyper 15 mgs less she felt Hypo. When the FDA took

Armour off the market she went on Synthyroid she is up to 127 mgs with a very

low dose of Cytomel (T3)1/2 of a 5 mcg. pill 2x's a week she feels good on this.

I feel you need to work your way up slow keeping track of the 10 things about

how your feeling and following your Temp Avg. chart. As you get leveled off

your Temp avg. will go up mine topped out at 98.4 from 96. something. If you

feel your heart beating hard and fast with your temps going up past 98.6 on the

upper dose your going hyper.

Labs are not much help with Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis you need to dose by how

your feeling and how your chart looks.

Most people when they get leveled off the thyroid antibodies stop attacking.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@...>

> Subject: Re: Bruce First question for the group

>

> Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:45 AM

> I've read this post. 6 times

> now.  You are saying if your wife didn't have rai she

> would of been able to take thyroid then?

>

> I'm going through the same exact thing she was.  I can

> not take anything at all.  The link you sent me says

> that I should start with a large amount of synthroid if I am

> reading correctly?

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: brucergoldberg

> <brucergoldberg@>

> > > > > Subject: Bruce First

> question for

> > > the group

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 9:14 PM

> > > > > Hello everyone.  I am a

> lurker,

> > > > > I have been reading the posts on here

> for a

> > > couple

> > > > > weeks.  My friend told

> me about this

> > > board.

> > > > >

> > > > > Quick history, I was diagnosed with

> hashimotos

> > > about a year

> > > > > ago.  Im not taking any thyroid

> because it

> > > makes me

> > > > > feel like death.  My tsh was at

> 7 or 8, but it

> > > was just

> > > > > checked and it went up to about

> 22. 

> > > > >

> > > > > My testosterone was at 215 range

> 400-800 last

> > > time

> > > > > checked.  I tried taking

> testosterone both as

> > > androgel

> > > > > and as the patch, but it did the same

> weird crap

> > > to me as

> > > > > the thyroid did.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whats really odd is, every day around 3

> pm I get

> > > this weird

> > > > > sensation for about two - three hours

> as if

> > > someone kicked

> > > > > me in the " boys " .  I get light

> headed,

> > > sweaty,

> > > > > confused, ears ring, heart palps. This

> is every

> > > single

> > > > > day.   

> > > > >

> > > > > I assume this is thyroid related, but

> just by

> > > chance it

> > > > > could be testosterone or testicle

> related I

> > > wanted to post

> > > > > this.   Any

> input would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I hope you didnt take my post the wrong way. I was actually fixated on the post

because your wife was going through the same exact thing i have been struggling

with for a year. I was hoping that you were able to share her experience with

me to supply me with a logical explanation that I could apply towards my own

situation.

The problem i have is that even with the tinyest bit of thyroid, my body and

mind rejects it. I get very irritable, testy, anxious, agitated, cant think,

sweat my butt off and cant function.

I have tried all amounts of thyroid and every type of thyroid, both dessicated

and synthetic. The only thing I have not tried is jumping right in feet first

and running with .50 or higher. The most ive ever taken is 37.5 of tirosint.

At the point i was taking 37.5, i was unfunctionable. I was able to stay on

that dose for about 5 weeks.

thank you

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: brucergoldberg

> > <brucergoldberg@>

> > > > > > Subject: Bruce First

> > question for

> > > > the group

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 9:14 PM

> > > > > > Hello everyone.  I am a

> > lurker,

> > > > > > I have been reading the posts on here

> > for a

> > > > couple

> > > > > > weeks.  My friend told

> > me about this

> > > > board.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quick history, I was diagnosed with

> > hashimotos

> > > > about a year

> > > > > > ago.  Im not taking any thyroid

> > because it

> > > > makes me

> > > > > > feel like death.  My tsh was at

> > 7 or 8, but it

> > > > was just

> > > > > > checked and it went up to about

> > 22. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My testosterone was at 215 range

> > 400-800 last

> > > > time

> > > > > > checked.  I tried taking

> > testosterone both as

> > > > androgel

> > > > > > and as the patch, but it did the same

> > weird crap

> > > > to me as

> > > > > > the thyroid did.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whats really odd is, every day around 3

> > pm I get

> > > > this weird

> > > > > > sensation for about two - three hours

> > as if

> > > > someone kicked

> > > > > > me in the " boys " .  I get light

> > headed,

> > > > sweaty,

> > > > > > confused, ears ring, heart palps. This

> > is every

> > > > single

> > > > > > day.   

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I assume this is thyroid related, but

> > just by

> > > > chance it

> > > > > > could be testosterone or testicle

> > related I

> > > > wanted to post

> > > > > > this.   Any

> > input would be appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

No I tried to tell you how you can try going on NTH Thyroid meds the med is

called NP Thyroid try as low as 15 mgs 1/4 of a pill. And take some supplements

I think Barb has them listed at her site.

http://www.tiredthyroid.com/cofactors.html

It can be your Thyroid cells are not working right you need to supplement and

start low on NTH meds.

In time your body will start to use the Thyroid Hormones right now it sounds

like your body can't use them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: brucergoldberg <brucergoldberg@...>

> Subject: Re: Bruce First question for the group

>

> Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 4:10 PM

> I hope you didnt take my post the

> wrong way.  I was actually fixated on the post because

> your wife was going through the same exact thing i have been

> struggling with for a year.  I was hoping that you were

> able to share her experience with me to supply me with a

> logical explanation that I could apply towards my own

> situation.

>

> The problem i have is that even with the tinyest bit of

> thyroid, my body and mind rejects it.  I get very

> irritable, testy, anxious, agitated, cant think, sweat my

> butt off and cant function. 

>

> I have tried all amounts of thyroid and every type of

> thyroid, both dessicated and synthetic.  The only thing

> I have not tried is jumping right in feet first and running

> with .50 or higher.  The most ive ever taken is 37.5 of

> tirosint.

>

> At the point i was taking 37.5, i was unfunctionable. 

> I was able to stay on that dose for about 5 weeks.

>

> thank you

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: brucergoldberg

> > > <brucergoldberg@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Bruce

> First

> > > question for

> > > > > the group

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011,

> 9:14 PM

> > > > > > > Hello

> everyone.  I am a

> > > lurker,

> > > > > > > I have been reading the posts

> on here

> > > for a

> > > > > couple

> > > > > > > weeks.  My

> friend told

> > > me about this

> > > > > board.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Quick history, I was

> diagnosed with

> > > hashimotos

> > > > > about a year

> > > > > > > ago.  Im

> not taking any thyroid

> > > because it

> > > > > makes me

> > > > > > > feel like

> death.  My tsh was at

> > > 7 or 8, but it

> > > > > was just

> > > > > > > checked and it went up to

> about

> > > 22. 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My testosterone was at 215

> range

> > > 400-800 last

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > checked. 

> I tried taking

> > > testosterone both as

> > > > > androgel

> > > > > > > and as the patch, but it did

> the same

> > > weird crap

> > > > > to me as

> > > > > > > the thyroid did.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whats really odd is, every

> day around 3

> > > pm I get

> > > > > this weird

> > > > > > > sensation for about two -

> three hours

> > > as if

> > > > > someone kicked

> > > > > > > me in the

> " boys " .  I get light

> > > headed,

> > > > > sweaty,

> > > > > > > confused, ears ring, heart

> palps. This

> > > is every

> > > > > single

> > > > > > >

> day.   

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I assume this is thyroid

> related, but

> > > just by

> > > > > chance it

> > > > > > > could be testosterone or

> testicle

> > > related I

> > > > > wanted to post

> > > > > > >

> this.   Any

> > > input would be appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >