Re: Boyfriend with Low T

March 18, 2011

Hi and yes your Welcome here we have other women here your not alone.

His Dr. is not up on give out TRT he might know about it but what he is doing is

old out dated.

Giving him shots 100 mgs every 15 days he is driving down his levels even lower.

What happens when a man adds Testosterone to his body his brain sees this and

slows down sending the LH and FSH message to his testis to make more

Testosterone.

Most men with low levels of Testosterone sill feel like having sex I was at 120

for Total Testosterone and age 37 I still had sex with my wife 2 to 3 x's /

week. But I needed to make it a point to do so the fatigue and feelings of

Depression were so bad I did not feel like having sex.

Men today start on shots doing them 100 mgs / week and we add in HCG (Human

Chorionic Gonadotropin)250 IU's the 2 days each before his next Test C shot.

We do our own shots at home some men need to do them 2x's / weeks 50 to 80 mgs

to keep leveled.

Here is a link to Dr. 's site at Publications read TRT: A Recipe for Success

and his HCG update.

www.allthingsmale.com

and this is a link to his forum.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

He puts this out there free for you and your Dr. he is about the best Male

Hormone Dr. out there men fly in from all over the world to see him.

One big huge problem us men have with low T is finding a good Dr. with out a

good one we suffer.

Here is a link to my story I went through He** for about the first 23 yrs on TRT

but being told I am Primary meaning my Testis don't work. I am Secondary

Hypopituitary my brain does not tell my body to make Hormones like Testosterone,

Cotrisol, Thyroid, Ferritin and Aldosterone.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

Now a little about what happens to us men with libido with low T we can end up

with low cortisol and Thyroid levels this needs to be check out. Also a big

killer of a mans libido is high levels of Estradiol E2 have this tested do a

Quest labs Sensitive Estradiol test #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml best

levels for men are 20 if his labs are over 30 he needs to take something to

bring his E2 levels down.

One way to tell if his E2 is very high is he will not have night time and

morning wood in his sleep.

At the home page we have a links and files section on the left click on this

read up on this learn about it so when he sees a Dr. you will know if he is up

on this and doing well by him.

Here is a link to the AACE Guildelines at page 11 it states to do shots every 7

to 10 days starting with 100 mgs and this is old and dated.

Don't wate 3 months print out Page 11 show this to his Dr. call him and tell him

he is not doing well he is worse.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

In this link you will learn all about what I am telling you and more.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Go to Amazon.com and buy the book " Testosterone: A Mans Guide " by Vergel

it's full if every thing you need to know about this problem.

And if you can get a copy of his labs and post them here you can scan then to

this site and leave a link so we can read them.

http://imageshack.us/

If you both need to know more just keep posting until you understand this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: spalma924 <spalma924@...>

> Subject: Boyfriend with Low T

>

> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 11:30 PM

> I am new to this group and although I

> know it's mainly reserved for men, I am a woman who is

> struggling along with my boyfriend through this tough time.

>

> We recently found out he has Low T. Levels are at

> about 200. The last 5 months (our entire relationship)

> have been challenging. I didn't understand what was

> going on!!! Although things seemed a little better

> when we first met, something was never quite " right " .

> He didn't seem really interested in intimacy and I could

> never understand that. I just didn't get why he was

> doing the things he was doing. Like if I tried to even

> start kissing him he would give a couple pecks and then turn

> his head...I tell you, this will quickly make a womans

> insecurities come out in full force! He would always

> say it's not me that he just doesn't FEEL the things he

> should be feeling when it comes to intimacy. He is

> always so tired, depressed and irritable. I must say,

> I love this man and have stuck by him and will continue to

> stick by him and pray that the shots will help

> eventually! I guess I would just like to get some

> input from the men in this forum on what I should do to help

> him through this! And what have you guys and

> wifes/girlfriends experienced through this process.

>

> He's been on 100mg shots every 15 days...he's had 3 so far

> and feels NOTHING! I told him to tell his doc to

> increase the dose NOW b/c I think he should feel

> something! But the doc says he has to wait 3 months

> and then retest and they can adjust based on those

> results...UGHHHH!!!! So frustrating to watch the man I

> love walking around like he's having an out of body

> experience!!! How long does it typically take to start

> feeling the effects?

>

> Thanks,

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 18, 2011

100mg shots every 15 days will do nothing at all - he should be injecting

anywhere from every other day to every 3rd or 4th day to maintain stable blood

levels of testosterone - you need a new doctor NOW!

Has he had his E2 levels checked as well?

>

> I am new to this group and although I know it's mainly reserved for men, I am

a woman who is struggling along with my boyfriend through this tough time.

>

> We recently found out he has Low T. Levels are at about 200. The last 5

months (our entire relationship) have been challenging. I didn't understand

what was going on!!! Although things seemed a little better when we first met,

something was never quite " right " . He didn't seem really interested in intimacy

and I could never understand that. I just didn't get why he was doing the

things he was doing. Like if I tried to even start kissing him he would give a

couple pecks and then turn his head...I tell you, this will quickly make a

womans insecurities come out in full force! He would always say it's not me

that he just doesn't FEEL the things he should be feeling when it comes to

intimacy. He is always so tired, depressed and irritable. I must say, I love

this man and have stuck by him and will continue to stick by him and pray that

the shots will help eventually! I guess I would just like to get some input

from the men in this forum on what I should do to help him through this! And

what have you guys and wifes/girlfriends experienced through this process.

>

> He's been on 100mg shots every 15 days...he's had 3 so far and feels NOTHING!

I told him to tell his doc to increase the dose NOW b/c I think he should feel

something! But the doc says he has to wait 3 months and then retest and they

can adjust based on those results...UGHHHH!!!! So frustrating to watch the man

I love walking around like he's having an out of body experience!!! How long

does it typically take to start feeling the effects?

>

> Thanks,

>

March 18, 2011

:

I strongly disagree with the below opinion. His current treatment certainly

won't " do nothing at all " .

A typical recommended dose would be 100 mg every week or 200 mg every two weeks.

Some doctors even prescribe 400 mg once a month, although that amounts to quite

a roller coaster.

Basically he is getting " half " the normal dose, but I suspect the doctor is

trying that out and may be persuaded to go to a full dose if it shows promising

results.

Starting out with a full dose of a new treatment could be considered

inappropriate. It takes some time for the body to re-adjust after starting. I

know it took me about 3 months to adjust and really feel good. After being

hypogonadic for years it takes a while before the body's cells realize that the

testosterone is available and to start using it. Testosterone works and the

cellular level and activates a gene that controls the action of mitochrondria,

the " Powerhouses " of the cell.

After 3 years of testosterone replacement at 100 mg every week, I cut back to 80

mg every week.

Testosterone Cypionate has a half-life of 8 days. It also peaks on the third

day after the injection. You need to realize that half life of a shot means

that there is still some residual many weeks later from any given shot.

8 days 1/2

16 days 1/4

24 days 1/8

32 days 1/16

40 days 1/32

Lets look at what happens at day 16. The old shot has a level of 1/4 when he

gets the new shot. 8 days later the second shot is at 1/2 level, but you have

1/8 from the first shot.

Have you ever heard of Zeno's paradox? Google it up sometime. He said that if

you were a distance from a wall and took a series of steps " halfway to the wall "

you would never ever get there. You would soon get so close it didn't matter, as

long as you went half the remaining distance you would never get there.

Similarly every 8 days the remaining T decreases but never goes to zero.

It would take an excel spreadsheet (or a calculus course)to show how shot after

shot builds up in your system, but it does.

Yes, more frequent shots does lead to a more constant level of testosterone. I

question how necessary that is though.

Since the blood level of T doesn't peak until day 3, doing shots every other day

seems excessive to me. You are adding in more before reaching the peak.

Randy Hoops

>

> 100mg shots every 15 days will do nothing at all - he should be injecting

anywhere from every other day to every 3rd or 4th day to maintain stable blood

levels of testosterone - you need a new doctor NOW!

>

> Has he had his E2 levels checked as well?

>

March 18, 2011

said her boyfriend has been taking 100mgs every 15 days and has had 3

injections - so he's had a total of 300mgs of testosterone in the last 45 days -

300gs in the last 6 1/2 weeks - WAY WAY TOO LITTLE

If his levels are still way low then the weekly dosage must be increased and the

frequency of injection must be increased as well

For example - I'm currently doing 80mgs every 4 th day

And if you think that a typical recommended dose regimen is injections once

every 2 weeks then I feel you are mistaken

My recommendation to and her boyfriend would be to get a new doctor ASAP

> >

> > 100mg shots every 15 days will do nothing at all - he should be injecting

anywhere from every other day to every 3rd or 4th day to maintain stable blood

levels of testosterone - you need a new doctor NOW!

> >

> > Has he had his E2 levels checked as well?

> >

>

March 18, 2011

DH does 25 mg every 5 days, so in 45 days, he has taken 225 mg. That is far

less than the 300 mgs you're recommending. There are several points to be made:

1. Dosing is VERY individual. I have seen guys do 20-100 mg per shot.

2. How often you must dose is very dependent on your SHBG levels, which is

often dependent on your thyroid levels. Low thyroid means low SHBG, so

testosterone does not last, and you have to dose more often.

3. reported " He is always so tired, depressed and irritable. " These

are common hypothyroid symptoms. If he really is low in thyroid, all the

testosterone in the world isn't going to fix that problem. That needs to get

checked out.

Some helpful reading for and her guy to start with:

http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

http://tiredthyroid.com/index.html

Barb

> > >

> > > 100mg shots every 15 days will do nothing at all - he should be injecting

anywhere from every other day to every 3rd or 4th day to maintain stable blood

levels of testosterone - you need a new doctor NOW!

> > >

> > > Has he had his E2 levels checked as well?

> > >

> >

>

March 18, 2011

I quote the PDR - Physicians Desk Reference:

" For replacement in the hypogonadal male, 50 to 400 mg should be administered

every two to four weeks. "

I personally think weekly shots are just right and that's what I use.

Many insurance companies won't pay for a doctor's visit more often than 2 weeks.

Of course he should eventually do the shots at home, but not until he is on a

stabilized dosage.

>

> And if you think that a typical recommended dose regimen is injections once

every 2 weeks then I feel you are mistaken

>

March 19, 2011

I think you have it about right.I once took a shot every 84 hrs (3 1/2 days).Now

have switched to once a week.Actually feel better and have less sore muscles

from injections.I have taken up some weight lifting, moderate amy for a 55 yo

man.I am amazed with the quick results I have obtained.Sexually i am good to

go.Can't get much better than that. Phil

> >

> > 100mg shots every 15 days will do nothing at all - he should be injecting

anywhere from every other day to every 3rd or 4th day to maintain stable blood

levels of testosterone - you need a new doctor NOW!

> >

> > Has he had his E2 levels checked as well?

> >

>

March 20, 2011

Hi,

It is up to the individual.

At 200 I would expect he has issues with energy, motivation and sleeping. I know

I do if my levels gets that low.

However I had a failing testicle and never really noticed until it was time to

have it out and I got tested and it came back at 271, I felt ok, functioned

sexually but lacked a lot of energy.

Ok, people are saying go higher dosage or more often or whatever. Yeah, ok, but

be prepared for a roller coaster ride (I am 32 if that matters). The papers will

say that guys in the early 30s should have a T level of like 800 on average, if

I have a T level of 800 I have rage issues which then turns to depression. I

quit taking 250mgs every 2 weeks for that reason an the roller coaster that is

what I would refer to as a male version of PMS. Going from high energy and

raging libido down and crashing after about 8 days is hell. My wife and son

could not live with it, thus I am on 125mgs every week. Not great but not

terrible. I still have a healthy libido, can sleep and wake up.

Consider all sides of the issue before jumping to add more hormones.

I also do not get T levels checked weekly anymore other than the expense chasing

a number seemed stupid.

cheers