Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Wow I think I missed this post I use Novarel on the insert that comes with it it states to mix the HCG with 10 Mls or water. This makes 10,000 IU's in a 10 ml. or 1000 IU's per Ml. So to do a 250 IU's shot it would be .25 mls. To do a .8 ml shot it would be 800 IU's to much never do more then 500 IU's as per Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com read his HCG Update. I don't us big needles for any kind of shot I do my T shots with a 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle and I do my HCG shots with a 30g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle. I don't do my HCG shot subQ most do I don't because I don't feel them as fast. To mix my Novarel I use a 5ml needle I pull 5 mls of air out of the HCG vial then I put the air into the water vial and then pull out 5 mls of water. When I put this water into the HCG vial I do it very slow so it dose not fome up. I then pull 5 more mls of air out of the HCG vial and put this into the water vial and pull 5 mls more of water out and put it into the HCG vial. I then swerl it don't shake it. I let is sit for 5 min.'s then do my shot after that I put the vial back into the box and put it into the fridge. It should keep for 30 days. Let me know how this gose useing HCG Novarel. Co-Moderator Phil > From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...> > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 7:53 AM > .8mL would work out to 400UI. > Perhaps he is expecting a loss of a certain amount due to > the needle type. > > So here are my calculations... Total of 20mL of fluid > with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about 500UI > per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI (500*0.8=400). > > Joe > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My doctor > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had trouble > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, unfortunately, the > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the syringes > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. 3ml, > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium chloride. " > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of the > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's where > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he talked to > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and because > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me to > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . .is > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! There is an error though, because I was perhaps not clear. . .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the HCG powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I follow you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need to give both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. ________________________________ From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. ..8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is expecting a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL of fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI (500*0.8=400) . Joe > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My doctor had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had trouble getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, unfortunately, the pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the syringes and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. 3ml, 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium chloride. " Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of the liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's where I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he talked to my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and because of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me to use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . .is .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Yes that is right so don't do .8 ml shots it's to much. Let me know how you feel on this Novarel I feel the new lab making it for Ferring is to strong but then it might just be me. I do my HCG shot now and my Estradiol levels shoot why up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:51 AM > Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! > There is an error though, because I was perhaps not clear. . > .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the HCG > powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I follow > you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need to give > both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. > > > > ________________________________ > From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...> > > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the > mathematically impaired. > > > .8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is expecting > a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. > > So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL of > fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about > 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI > (500*0.8=400) . > > Joe > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My doctor > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had trouble > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, unfortunately, the > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the syringes > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. 3ml, > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium chloride. " > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of the > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's where > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he talked to > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and because > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me to > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . .is > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 They gave me Pregnyl instead of Novarel. Pharmacist said Novarel was like 3 times the price. My insurance company most likely had something to say about it. Which might be a blessing in disguise. Just bringing my estradiol down from 130. Was 34 a week or so ago. I don't want to shoot it up again. And I hope that 800 IU doesn't do it. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 10:17:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. Yes that is right so don't do .8 ml shots it's to much. Let me know how you feel on this Novarel I feel the new lab making it for Ferring is to strong but then it might just be me. I do my HCG shot now and my Estradiol levels shoot why up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:51 AM > Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! > There is an error though, because I was perhaps not clear. . > .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the HCG > powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I follow > you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need to give > both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net> > > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the > mathematically impaired. > > > .8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is expecting > a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. > > So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL of > fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about > 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI > (500*0.8=400) . > > Joe > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My doctor > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had trouble > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, unfortunately, the > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the syringes > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. 3ml, > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium chloride. " > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of the > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's where > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he talked to > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and because > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me to > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . .is > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 OK your good to go just on your next shot if you mixed it with 10 mls of water don't do more then a .5 ml shot better to do .25 mls. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios (DOT) com> > > Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing > for the mathematically impaired. > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:51 AM > > Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! > > There is an error though, because I was perhaps not > clear. . > > .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the > HCG > > powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I > follow > > you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need > to give > > both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net> > > > > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM > > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for > the > > mathematically impaired. > > > > > > .8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is > expecting > > a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. > > > > So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL > of > > fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to > about > > 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI > > (500*0.8=400) . > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My > doctor > > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had > trouble > > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, > unfortunately, the > > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the > syringes > > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. > 3ml, > > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium > chloride. " > > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of > the > > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's > where > > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he > talked to > > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and > because > > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me > to > > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . > .is > > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 alright there mate here is something for you (or anybody) to try who needs help with HCG dosing. http://www.hcgloss.com/calculators.html I found this the easiest way. you also get to alter the dose by adjusting the figures and provided you use the calculator you can always ensure accuracy. hope this helps ade From: Kyrios Ouranos Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. They gave me Pregnyl instead of Novarel. Pharmacist said Novarel was like 3 times the price. My insurance company most likely had something to say about it. Which might be a blessing in disguise. Just bringing my estradiol down from 130. Was 34 a week or so ago. I don't want to shoot it up again. And I hope that 800 IU doesn't do it. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 10:17:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. Yes that is right so don't do .8 ml shots it's to much. Let me know how you feel on this Novarel I feel the new lab making it for Ferring is to strong but then it might just be me. I do my HCG shot now and my Estradiol levels shoot why up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:51 AM > Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! > There is an error though, because I was perhaps not clear. . > .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the HCG > powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I follow > you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need to give > both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net> > > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the > mathematically impaired. > > > .8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is expecting > a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. > > So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL of > fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about > 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI > (500*0.8=400) . > > Joe > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My doctor > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had trouble > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, unfortunately, the > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the syringes > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. 3ml, > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium chloride. " > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of the > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's where > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he talked to > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and because > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me to > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . .is > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Now all we need is to find out if the pre-mixed HCG is anygood to use and keep. I stopped using my Novarel and my Estradiol levels stopped going nuts. I guess the new lab Ferring is using changed the way they make Novarel I can't take it anymore and Medco only has Novarel so my best bet is ADC. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios (DOT) com> > > Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing > for the mathematically impaired. > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:51 AM > > Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! > > There is an error though, because I was perhaps not > clear. . > > .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the > HCG > > powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I > follow > > you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need > to give > > both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net> > > > > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM > > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for > the > > mathematically impaired. > > > > > > .8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is expecting > > a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. > > > > So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL of > > fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about > > 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI > > (500*0.8=400) . > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My > doctor > > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had > trouble > > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, > unfortunately, the > > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the > syringes > > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. > 3ml, > > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium > chloride. " > > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of > the > > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's > where > > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he > talked to > > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and > because > > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me > to > > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . > .is > > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I have some on the way. I understand that it is possible I'll get the old unmixed one. If it's the new pre-mixed one, I'll post my results. The only thing I've noticed on the hcg is increased testicle size. I assume that if the pre-mixed isn't as effective, I'll notice some shrinkage. . _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of philip georgian Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. Now all we need is to find out if the pre-mixed HCG is anygood to use and keep. I stopped using my Novarel and my Estradiol levels stopped going nuts. I guess the new lab Ferring is using changed the way they make Novarel I can't take it anymore and Medco only has Novarel so my best bet is ADC. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios (DOT) com> > > Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing > for the mathematically impaired. > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:51 AM > > Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! > > There is an error though, because I was perhaps not > clear. . > > .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the > HCG > > powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I > follow > > you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need > to give > > both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net> > > > > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM > > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for > the > > mathematically impaired. > > > > > > .8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is expecting > > a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. > > > > So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL of > > fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about > > 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI > > (500*0.8=400) . > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My > doctor > > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had > trouble > > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, > unfortunately, the > > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the > syringes > > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. > 3ml, > > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium > chloride. " > > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of > the > > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's > where > > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he > talked to > > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and > because > > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me > to > > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . > .is > > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks very much for this! Will be quite handy for many I'd imagine! ________________________________ From: Ade Rowley <spadeboy@...> Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 7:24:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. alright there mate here is something for you (or anybody) to try who needs help with HCG dosing. http://www.hcgloss. com/calculators. html I found this the easiest way. you also get to alter the dose by adjusting the figures and provided you use the calculator you can always ensure accuracy. hope this helps ade From: Kyrios Ouranos Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. They gave me Pregnyl instead of Novarel. Pharmacist said Novarel was like 3 times the price. My insurance company most likely had something to say about it. Which might be a blessing in disguise. Just bringing my estradiol down from 130. Was 34 a week or so ago. I don't want to shoot it up again. And I hope that 800 IU doesn't do it. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) com> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 10:17:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. Yes that is right so don't do .8 ml shots it's to much. Let me know how you feel on this Novarel I feel the new lab making it for Ferring is to strong but then it might just be me. I do my HCG shot now and my Estradiol levels shoot why up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the mathematically impaired. > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:51 AM > Ahh, I see. Thanks for the math! > There is an error though, because I was perhaps not clear. . > .there is only 10mL of solvent. That is added to the HCG > powder to make 10 mL of solution. So actually, if I follow > you correctly, 0.8 is 800 IU!!! Crap. I think I need to give > both doc and pharmacist a tongue lashing. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net> > > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:53:23 AM > Subject: Re: Question re HCG dosing for the > mathematically impaired. > > > .8mL would work out to 400UI. Perhaps he is expecting > a loss of a certain amount due to the needle type. > > So here are my calculations. .. Total of 20mL of > fluid with 10000UI in 20mL. That works out to about > 500UI per mL. 0.8mL would equal 400 UI > (500*0.8=400) . > > Joe > > > > > > I just picked up my HCG from the pharmacy. My doctor > had prescribed Novarel I think, but perhaps they had trouble > getting it as what I got is Pregnyl. Now, unfortunately, the > pharmacist followed the IM injection model for the syringes > and gave me the same type that I use to inject my T. 3ml, > 22g, 1.5 inch. I will fix that later and get smaller. > > > > Here's my question. . .This stuff is 10,000 USP > Units/vial. It is a 10mL multidose vial with 10mL of > solvent. The solvent bottle states that it is > " bacteriostatic water for injection with sodium chloride. " > Okay. ..so I know I'm supposed to mix the contents of the > liquid-containing vial with the HCG vial. But here's where > I'm confused. The pharmacist's note says that he talked to > my doctor (who had prescribed 250 IU per dose) and because > of the size of the needle, the doc told him to tell me to > use .8mL. I am not good at the math/conversion here. . .is > .8mL equivalent to 250 IU? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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