Re: could st johns wort lower T further?

[Guest guest]

The think about st j's wort is the time it takes to work. Yrs. ago I tired it

it did nothing to my hormones but I was feeling depressed from low hormones not

Depression try it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: could st johns wort lower T further?

>

> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 5:00 PM

> Hi

>

> I am really struggling with depresion and anxiety here,

> thinking of trying st j's wort until i can get diagnosed and

> treated.

>

> i see the new endo in 21 days (i already saw a really good

> endo but can't afford the self pay tests, so had to go on

> the health service) but wondered if st j w will lower or

> affect any hormones it's worth avoiding for now. 

> ?   I hope the health service endo takes the

> consultant endo's concerns seriously and does the same

> tests; i am hoping that as the first dr i saw was so well

> qualified they also agree with his opinion and at least do

> the tests he recommended to check me out (these were many

> testss including MRI scan of pituitary, T levels,growth

> hormone/IF1 (i think), karyotyping, vit d, b12 ) etc. 

> i just hope the neew tests these things, else really i am

> done for.

>

> anyone got any thoughts on whether st j's wort could affect

> anything?  i am counting down the days.  i've been

> off HC for 12 days now.

>

> Thanks

>

> chris

>

>

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[Guest guest]

are you newly diagnosed with low t? If so I'm sure your depression and

anxst are cause by hormone changes . I never really struggled with this stuff

(maybe minor anxiety, id really just call it worrying). A few weeks ago I became

really depressed, began having panic attacks and couldn't handle stress. That's

what sent me to the doctor and he tested my t. it was very low. It really helped

to know that the hormones were causing it and that I wasn't losing my mind. I've

read a lot of good things about St johns wort, give it a try if you need a pick

me up till your drs appt. its the number one prescribed anti-depressant in

germany.

>

> Hi

>

> I am really struggling with depresion and anxiety here, thinking of trying st

j's wort until i can get diagnosed and treated.

>

> i see the new endo in 21 days (i already saw a really good endo but can't

afford the self pay tests, so had to go on the health service) but wondered if

st j w will lower or affect any hormones it's worth avoiding for now. ? I

hope the health service endo takes the consultant endo's concerns seriously and

does the same tests; i am hoping that as the first dr i saw was so well

qualified they also agree with his opinion and at least do the tests he

recommended to check me out (these were many testss including MRI scan of

pituitary, T levels,growth hormone/IF1 (i think), karyotyping, vit d, b12 ) etc.

i just hope the neew tests these things, else really i am done for.

>

> anyone got any thoughts on whether st j's wort could affect anything? i am

counting down the days. i've been off HC for 12 days now.

>

> Thanks

>

> chris

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil

>

> The think about st j's wort is the time it takes to work. Yrs. ago I tired it

it did nothing to my hormones but I was feeling depressed from low hormones not

Depression try it.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Hi Shaun

I have had low T it transpires for over a year now, and who knows how long

before that. result last year was 9.2, ref range 10-31, and this year, 10.3 or

something like that. Drs had lied to me that it was normal.

I will try the st j w, but am really struggling here. in the past st j w made

me feel better but then i took prozac and after that nothing seemed to work

again, and not st j w either, maybe it'll be ok now though

thanks

chris

>

> are you newly diagnosed with low t? If so I'm sure your depression and

anxst are cause by hormone changes . I never really struggled with this stuff

(maybe minor anxiety, id really just call it worrying). A few weeks ago I became

really depressed, began having panic attacks and couldn't handle stress. That's

what sent me to the doctor and he tested my t. it was very low. It really helped

to know that the hormones were causing it and that I wasn't losing my mind. I've

read a lot of good things about St johns wort, give it a try if you need a pick

me up till your drs appt. its the number one prescribed anti-depressant in

germany.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hang in there, we all know just how you feel. Your not alone. Once you get your

t worked out you'll feel much better. Remind yourself often that is not you but

the hormones that are making you feel this way. don't forget to workout, eat

healthy, be with friends (even if you don't feel like it) and get lots if sun.

I've found yoga really helps clear the mind. Also a good nights sleep. Read

before bed it will make u good and tired.

> >

> > are you newly diagnosed with low t? If so I'm sure your depression

and anxst are cause by hormone changes . I never really struggled with this

stuff (maybe minor anxiety, id really just call it worrying). A few weeks ago I

became really depressed, began having panic attacks and couldn't handle stress.

That's what sent me to the doctor and he tested my t. it was very low. It really

helped to know that the hormones were causing it and that I wasn't losing my

mind. I've read a lot of good things about St johns wort, give it a try if you

need a pick me up till your drs appt. its the number one prescribed

anti-depressant in germany.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thanks Shaun, i very much hope you are right

part of the time i feel like numbing myself up with dihydrocodeine or something

but i've resisted that so far, wouldn't be good to get an addiction like that,

plus it might alter things even more

thanks

>

>

> Hang in there, we all know just how you feel. Your not alone. Once you get

your t worked out you'll feel much better. Remind yourself often that is not you

but the hormones that are making you feel this way. don't forget to workout, eat

healthy, be with friends (even if you don't feel like it) and get lots if sun.

I've found yoga really helps clear the mind. Also a good nights sleep. Read

before bed it will make u good and tired.

[Guest guest]

sorry Phil just one more thing

some doctors seem to think that if someone's depressed it can affect their

hormones too, so they prescribe anti depressants. these have never really worked

that well for me (st j w helped ok at the time) so i'm not sure i buy that

theory but i can see how it might work in theory. maybe the fact that anti

depressants make me worse indciates it's not depression as such but hormone

issues.

what are your thoughts on the depression>causes low hormones theory? i could it

be a chicken/egg situation? but for sure i guess low hormones will affect mood.

most things i've read seems to suggest that hormones causea lot of

'psychiatric' problems . Hertoghes book seems to suggest that, and dr Peatfield

(who i saw) also links thyroid and mental problems doesn't he.

thanks

chris

>

> The think about st j's wort is the time it takes to work. Yrs. ago I tired it

it did nothing to my hormones but I was feeling depressed from low hormones not

Depression try it.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

One big thing that helps with this is Fish Oil 3 grams a day. I can't tell you

how many time I read about this and Omega 3's

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Shaun <shaunskel@...>

> Subject: Re: could st johns wort lower T further?

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:36 PM

>

> Hang in there, we all know just how you feel. Your not

> alone. Once you get your t worked out you'll feel much

> better. Remind yourself often that is not you but the

> hormones that are making you feel this way. don't forget to

> workout, eat healthy, be with friends (even if you don't

> feel like it) and get lots if sun. I've found yoga really

> helps clear the mind. Also a good nights sleep. Read before

> bed it will make u good and tired.

>

> > >

> > > are you newly diagnosed with low t? If so

> I'm sure your depression and anxst are cause by hormone

> changes . I never really struggled with this stuff (maybe

> minor anxiety, id really just call it worrying). A few weeks

> ago I became really depressed, began having panic attacks

> and couldn't handle stress. That's what sent me to the

> doctor and he tested my t. it was very low. It really helped

> to know that the hormones were causing it and that I wasn't

> losing my mind. I've read a lot of good things about St

> johns wort, give it a try if you need a pick me up till your

> drs appt. its the number one prescribed anti-depressant in

> germany. 

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr. nco a Dr. of Psychiatry feels it's hormones you can read a lot of his

posts to us in the files section called " Dr. nco7.zip " when I first got

sick this is what Dr.'s told me with out testing Hormones they said I was

suffering from Major Depression and I have to be treated for this 5 yrs because

I was off work on sick leave and needed to be under a Dr.'s care. It was low

Testosterone read my story in this link them dam Dr.'s ruined my life and dam

near broke up me and my wife.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Here is Dr. M's forum when his new book comes out they will be treating mental

problems a lot diff. then they do now he feels it's all hormones.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Re: could st johns wort lower T further?

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:44 PM

> sorry Phil just one more thing

>

> some doctors seem to think that if someone's depressed it

> can affect their hormones too, so they prescribe anti

> depressants. these have never really worked that well for me

> (st j w helped ok at the time) so i'm not sure i buy that

> theory but i can see how it might work in theory. 

> maybe the fact that anti depressants make me worse indciates

> it's not depression as such but hormone issues.

>

> what are your thoughts on the depression>causes low

> hormones theory?  i could it be a chicken/egg

> situation?  but for sure i guess low hormones will

> affect mood.  most things i've read seems to suggest

> that hormones causea  lot of 'psychiatric' problems

> .  Hertoghes book seems to suggest that, and dr

> Peatfield (who i saw) also links thyroid and mental problems

> doesn't he. 

>

> thanks

>

> chris

>

> >

> > The think about st j's wort is the time it takes to

> work.  Yrs. ago I tired it it did nothing to my

> hormones but I was feeling depressed from low hormones not

> Depression try it.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

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