Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Well it dose not work that way for me I guess you can try if doing this for most of us puts us on a roller coaster ride up after the shot and down very low by the next one so low we feel like crap for about 5 days before the next shot. I guess he is not as good as he says he is. And doing this big shot will drive up E2 levels big time dose he even check for high E2 levels. After a big shot like this I have have ED then by the next one my E2 would fall with the Testosterone and my ED would get better but I felt so dam bad I could not have sex. Dose he even check for high E2 levels I heard he dose not. And men having Problems with there blood getting to think doing this big shot adds to it. It does not add up for me men did great in there 20's with high levels of T your body does not get use to the add Testosterone so letting levels fall on every 2 weeks might not work for you. I did not work for me. But you never know give it a try. He is a dam good Dr. for low T it it's the same Dr. Gordon in this link. http://www.thehiddendisease.com/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:32 PM > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. > Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said > that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's > better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping > a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good > because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. > What does everyone think? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Yes same doc. > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:32 PM > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. > > Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said > > that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's > > better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping > > a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good > > because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am learning a lot from this group and my own research. . .however, one thing I *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks is an outmoded protocol that the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that by doing this you're setting yourself up for the possibility of a not very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. Others here will be able to tell you why in much better detail (and from experience) than I can. ________________________________ From: andrenym007 <no_reply > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 By what day will I begin to feel the effects of my testosterone levels dropping? He said that most guys do ok every 2 weeks but that we can adjust dose depending on how I feel. He's more on how a patient feels type of doctor than treating numbers. > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am learning a lot from this group and my own research. . .however, one thing I *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks is an outmoded protocol that the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that by doing this you're setting yourself up for the possibility of a not very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. Others here will be able to tell you why in much better detail (and from experience) than I can. > > > ________________________________ > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 You will have to judge for yourself - my experience is that this is way too much for an initial dose. Your total T will probably peak around 2200 ng/dl. Half life is ~ 7 days so at week 1 you would be half that amount or 1100. By end of week 2 that number will cut in half again in theory but what most folks experience is you run out of T around day 10-12 and you loose the benefit of TRT till your next shot. The other problem is your E2 will most likely increase to ~ 70-80 at your peak so you may not get the benefit in week 1 either. We are all different so try it and see how you respond. Personally, I feel the best on 2 shots per week. Once per week is manageable too with arimidex.  Arkansas From: andrenym007 <no_reply > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:32 PM  Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I did a search and found he likes to do only shots and in his office one site said he would not let a guy do his own shots. He was getting 300mgs every 3 weeks to me this is nuts. But that's how some Dr.'s make there money only doing shots in there office and this might be why he dose this every 2 to 3 weeks BCBS will not pay for shots in the office every week. When my Dr. was doing this to me it was because of my BCBS. Still try it see how it goes some guys like shots every 2 weeks. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 2:16 PM > Yes same doc. > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:32 PM > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. > > > Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of > cypionate. He said > > > that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and > thinks it's > > > better then injection every week. He doesn't > believe keeping > > > a consistent level of testosterone in the blood > is good > > > because eventually you will get numb to the > testosterone. > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Yep it's on page 11 in this link. It states every 7 to 10 days some are now finding doing shots like Dr. Shippen dose every 3 days works great this is what I do. http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf Co-Moderator Phil > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@...> > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 2:21 PM > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am learning a lot > from this group and my own research. . .however, one thing I > *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks is an outmoded > protocol that the American Association of Clinical > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that by doing > this you're setting yourself up for the possibility of a not > very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. Others here > will be able to tell you why in much better detail (and from > experience) than I can. > > > ________________________________ > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Â > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a > shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use > this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then > injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a > consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good > because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. > What does everyone think? > > > > > > Â Â Â > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I am not like most me I eat up the T as fast as I take it so I do shots every 3 days. You might do fine on this give it a try. All I am doing is giving you a heads up about it. If your not doing good you can do them every 10 days or every 7 but you might need to do your own to keep the cost down. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 2:27 PM > By what day will I begin to feel the > effects of my testosterone levels dropping? He said that > most guys do ok every 2 weeks but that we can adjust dose > depending on how I feel. He's more on how a patient feels > type of doctor than treating numbers. > > > > > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am learning a > lot from this group and my own research. . .however, one > thing I *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks is an > outmoded protocol that the American Association of Clinical > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that by doing > this you're setting yourself up for the possibility of a not > very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. Others here > will be able to tell you why in much better detail (and from > experience) than I can. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > >Â Â Â > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off > with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to > use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then > injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a > consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good > because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. > What does everyone think? > > > > > >Â > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 My doctor wanted to do the same thing, 200mg every two weeks. However, the pharmacokinetics or drug level versus time curve pushes the blood level of testosterone to higher than normal levels for several days. This effect would decrease my good cholesterol, which is something I will not do, especially since there are alternative dosing methods. The package insert for Depo-testosterone says to administer it every two weeks. However, like other people have pointed out, that's old guidance. We have better information now and there's nothing preventing a doctor to prescribe a different dosing regimen. If you have a fairly recent cholesterol test, it would be a good idea to recheck your cholesterol several months into TRT. ________________________________ From: andrenym007 <no_reply > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 1:32:31 PM Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon  Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 where did you see this? > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:32 PM > > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. > > > > Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of > > cypionate. He said > > > > that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and > > thinks it's > > > > better then injection every week. He doesn't > > believe keeping > > > > a consistent level of testosterone in the blood > > is good > > > > because eventually you will get numb to the > > testosterone. > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 You have to start some where. So I would try starting on 200mg every 2 weeks and then check my blood and also see how I feel then try 100 mg every week so I can feel myself which one makes me feel better and which one gives good in range lab results. Also, like Phil says I would have my DIM and also my HCG on hand and do it as required or on schedule. Trial and Error method in combination of different dosage and duration will give you the right combination at certain point. Joe > > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 It was a google search I don't even remember how I did it when I do searchs I do the same subject many ways. And it was a post at a site by one if the guys that sees him. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 3:57 PM > where did you see this? > > > > > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. > Gordon > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:32 PM > > > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. > > > > > Started me off with a shot of 200mcg > of > > > cypionate. He said > > > > > that he likes to use this dose every 2 > weeks and > > > thinks it's > > > > > better then injection every week. He > doesn't > > > believe keeping > > > > > a consistent level of testosterone in > the blood > > > is good > > > > > because eventually you will get numb to > the > > > testosterone. > > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I wonder how it will affect my very low total cholesterol number of 100? I hope it moves higher? My hdl is not great below 40 so we'll see. > > My doctor wanted to do the same thing, 200mg every two weeks. However, the pharmacokinetics or drug level versus time curve pushes the blood level of testosterone to higher than normal levels for several days. This effect would decrease my good cholesterol, which is something I will not do, especially since there are alternative dosing methods. > > The package insert for Depo-testosterone says to administer it every two weeks. However, like other people have pointed out, that's old guidance. We have better information now and there's nothing preventing a doctor to prescribe a different dosing regimen. > > If you have a fairly recent cholesterol test, it would be a good idea to recheck your cholesterol several months into TRT. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 1:32:31 PM > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > >  > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Phil, Do you shoot 50 or 100mg every 3 days? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am learning a > > lot from this group and my own research. . .however, one > > thing I *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks is an > > outmoded protocol that the American Association of Clinical > > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that by doing > > this you're setting yourself up for the possibility of a not > > very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. Others here > > will be able to tell you why in much better detail (and from > > experience) than I can. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > > >Â Â Â > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off > > with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to > > use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then > > injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a > > consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good > > because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hi andrenym007, I have to second what everyone is saying about the two week deal. It was horrid. First few days weren't to bad. The 5th day is were I started to notice a change. Wasn't terrible just not as sharp mentally. A little mental fog and difficulty making decisions. 6th day getting depressed. 7th day dysfunctionally depressed. 8th day horridly depressed. Way more depressed than ever before I started. To depressed even to think about calling my PA. This is when I decided this two week thing just wasn't going to cut it. With wife's help, she give's me the shots. We decided to do 1/2 dose every week. Felt better but same thing the next week but not quite as bad as coming off the big 200mg starting dose. After 2 weeks of the once a week dosing we decided to cut that down to every 4th day and that so far has worked a lot better. All this is before I learned that Phil was doing his every 3 days. Reason I tried 4th day is the 5th day is when I was starting to notice undesirable changes. By taking it on the 4th day it is starting to go to work as the previous dose is starting to noticeable wear off. Or you can do 3 days like Phil. Who knows maybe you will do the two weeks just fine. Please let us know. Now if you weren't depressed to start with you probably won't have the same results I had. Now I have just told you all I know about this stuff. Prior to the injection I had taken androgel 5g every day which immediately cured my morning depression that I had been having before. I only used that one month but it was a good month with no mood swings. Anyway good luck glad to see you getting treatment. Brett > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I though that the shot would last at least 10 days? 6th day getting depressed seems like a pretty fast crash? Yeah I'm not really to depressed so maybe it will be different but we will see. If I get anywhere near as depressed as you should I call doc and have him give me another shot or wait out the 2 weeks? > > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. What does everyone think? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I use Test C 200mgs/ml and shoot 80 mgs or .40mls every 3 days. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 9:20 PM > Phil, Do you shoot 50 or 100mg every > 3 days? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am > learning a > > > lot from this group and my own research. . > .however, one > > > thing I *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks > is an > > > outmoded protocol that the American Association > of Clinical > > > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that > by doing > > > this you're setting yourself up for the > possibility of a not > > > very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. > Others here > > > will be able to tell you why in much better > detail (and from > > > experience) than I can. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > > > > >Â Â Â > > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started > me off > > > with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that > he likes to > > > use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's > better then > > > injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping > a > > > consistent level of testosterone in the blood is > good > > > because eventually you will get numb to the > testosterone. > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 oops, sorry Phil, I ment ml not mg as the volume of the T shots that you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am > > learning a > > > > lot from this group and my own research. . > > .however, one > > > > thing I *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks > > is an > > > > outmoded protocol that the American Association > > of Clinical > > > > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that > > by doing > > > > this you're setting yourself up for the > > possibility of a not > > > > very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. > > Others here > > > > will be able to tell you why in much better > > detail (and from > > > > experience) than I can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > > > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â > > > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started > > me off > > > > with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that > > he likes to > > > > use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's > > better then > > > > injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping > > a > > > > consistent level of testosterone in the blood is > > good > > > > because eventually you will get numb to the > > testosterone. > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Just to be sure you understand I use 200mgs./ml of Test C so to do a 80mg. shot it's .4 mls. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:39 AM > oops, sorry Phil, I ment ml not mg as > the volume of the T shots that you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the > subject and am > > > learning a > > > > > lot from this group and my own > research. . > > > .however, one > > > > > thing I *do* know is that the 200 every > 2 weeks > > > is an > > > > > outmoded protocol that the American > Association > > > of Clinical > > > > > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. > And that > > > by doing > > > > > this you're setting yourself up for > the > > > possibility of a not > > > > > very fun emotional/physical > roller-coaster ride. > > > Others here > > > > > will be able to tell you why in much > better > > > detail (and from > > > > > experience) than I can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 > PM > > > > > > Subject: Just saw > Dr. Gordon > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â > > > > > > Nice guy and is very > knowledgeable. Started > > > me off > > > > > with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He > said that > > > he likes to > > > > > use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks > it's > > > better then > > > > > injection every week. He doesn't > believe keeping > > > a > > > > > consistent level of testosterone in the > blood is > > > good > > > > > because eventually you will get numb to > the > > > testosterone. > > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 yep, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the > > subject and am > > > > learning a > > > > > > lot from this group and my own > > research. . > > > > .however, one > > > > > > thing I *do* know is that the 200 every > > 2 weeks > > > > is an > > > > > > outmoded protocol that the American > > Association > > > > of Clinical > > > > > > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. > > And that > > > > by doing > > > > > > this you're setting yourself up for > > the > > > > possibility of a not > > > > > > very fun emotional/physical > > roller-coaster ride. > > > > Others here > > > > > > will be able to tell you why in much > > better > > > > detail (and from > > > > > > experience) than I can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 > > PM > > > > > > > Subject: Just saw > > Dr. Gordon > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â > > > > > > > Nice guy and is very > > knowledgeable. Started > > > > me off > > > > > > with a shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He > > said that > > > > he likes to > > > > > > use this dose every 2 weeks and thinks > > it's > > > > better then > > > > > > injection every week. He doesn't > > believe keeping > > > > a > > > > > > consistent level of testosterone in the > > blood is > > > > good > > > > > > because eventually you will get numb to > > the > > > > testosterone. > > > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Yes, but in the very next paragraph it says, " The use of 100 to 150 mg of testosterone every 2 weeks is a reasonable compromise. " The doctors who want to do it this way will always be able to quote this to a patient. > > > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@...> > > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 2:21 PM > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am learning a lot > > from this group and my own research. . .however, one thing I > > *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks is an outmoded > > protocol that the American Association of Clinical > > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that by doing > > this you're setting yourself up for the possibility of a not > > very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. Others here > > will be able to tell you why in much better detail (and from > > experience) than I can. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > Â > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me off with a > > shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he likes to use > > this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better then > > injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping a > > consistent level of testosterone in the blood is good > > because eventually you will get numb to the testosterone. > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Most don't they know you will be on a roller coaster ride doing shots every 2 weeks. Any Dr. that makes you come in to have this shot is doing this for the money. The cost for this is next to nothing for the Dr. and he charges you an arm and a leg. Also the AACE guidelines are dated 2002 if your looking for a better Dr. read in the files section " Finding a New Male Hormone Dr. " then make calls until you find one that lets you do shots every week and tests for high Estradiol and treats this with Arimdex. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Bill <rverbill@...> > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 6:28 PM > Yes, but in the very next paragraph > it says, " The use of 100 to 150Â mg of testosterone > every 2 weeks is a reasonable compromise. " The doctors who > want to do it this way will always be able to quote this to > a patient. > > > > > > > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@...> > > > Subject: Re: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > > I'm hardly an expert on the subject and am > learning a lot > > > from this group and my own research. . .however, > one thing I > > > *do* know is that the 200 every 2 weeks is an > outmoded > > > protocol that the American Association of > Clinical > > > Endocrinologists no longer recommends. And that > by doing > > > this you're setting yourself up for the > possibility of a not > > > very fun emotional/physical roller-coaster ride. > Others here > > > will be able to tell you why in much better > detail (and from > > > experience) than I can. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:32:31 PM > > > Subject: Just saw Dr. Gordon > > > > > > Â > > > Nice guy and is very knowledgeable. Started me > off with a > > > shot of 200mcg of cypionate. He said that he > likes to use > > > this dose every 2 weeks and thinks it's better > then > > > injection every week. He doesn't believe keeping > a > > > consistent level of testosterone in the blood is > good > > > because eventually you will get numb to the > testosterone. > > > What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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