Re: Does HGH-treatment really work?

July 20, 2010

My IGF-1 in April, while I was on: ERFA Thyroid, HC and DHEA.

igf-1 48.0 (11,0 - 40,0 nmol/l)

igfbp-3 116 (49 - 176 nmol/l)

" good " , or " normal " levels, right? So Hertoghe, my doc, thinks these levels are

too low for my height! He wants me to start injections, 0.05 mg soon, and

increase it, by 0.05 mg, every 10 days, to 0.25 mg daily.

I have been thinking about this EVERY single day since I visited him 3 weeks

ago...

I HATE thinking about getting " addicted " to more and more hormone replacements -

My body will loose the ability to creats it's own DHEA, TESTOSTERONE (the stuff

I am taking already) and finally HGH, right? It's like... What if I loose my

HGH, is it even safe to be without it for a few days/weeks? I don't think so!

When you have started hormone replacement one better take it every day,

especially HGH. I know next to NOTHING about HGH. But I want to know a lot more

before I start taking it.

I've read about athletes dying - While being on HGH-replacement treatments. I

don't wanna get a shorter life, even if I feel better while living with the

treatment. What about all the side-effects? One can even develop diabetes from

taking HGH? Jeez. I am already at risk for that taking HC!

My goal WAS: To heal, doing whatever, then... Weening off as many treatments as

possible! Now it looks like I am getting more and more treatments... And it's

scaring me!

I already have a TON of stuff to watch out for: Always bring HC with me,

remember to take it at 4 x times every day, the ERFA Thyroid, the DHEA every

other day, testosterone gel in the mornings...... And bring all that stuff with

me wherever I go! I just can't live a normal, comfortable, quiet life with all

these " meds " with me all the time! It's driving me nuts!!!

I don't know how many of you people on this group know me from the rt3_t3 and

naturalthyroidadrenals grops. I just thought this was the best group to post

about HGH.

So... What do I need to know about treating with HGH-injections? It's called

OMNITROPE and is made in Switzerland.

My main issue these days, other than being tired and having a fat face (I blame

30 mg HC daily for that, which I've been on for 1 year!) is HORRIBLE digestion.

I doubt HGH can correct that. Could be a parasite inside me for all I

know...........

Maybe I could even heal 100% without HGH, if I just fixed my stomach issue.

Whatever it is. My GP ran _ONE_ test with my stools for the past 2 1/2 years

I've had the stomach issue/stool issue (pale, soft stools, yellow, badly

digested, foul smelling etc.), and that was a test for " cancer traces " which

came out negative. What about microbiology, and checking me for ANYTHING that

could cause these symptoms?

*sigh*

Everything just feels so hopeless... I just can't help it! I've been feeling ill

for more than 3 years now, and severely ill for 2 1/2 years, with bad digestion,

laziness in the evenings (corrected this issue with HC from June 2009 - probably

had Adrenal Fatigue - the 24 hr saliva test said so anyway!)

I have been taking thyroid hormones (syntethic T4 + in a combo with T3 later)

since 1997 (I was 18 years old at the time) and felt amazing for 10 years. I did

get bloating in my face when I ate sugar or drank alcohol, and I had tachycardia

(250 bpm, for 1-2 minutes at a time) in the nighttime quite often during these

years. BUT I felt great.

Quick recap of my last 3 troubled years:

In 2008 everything changed. I got fibrillation of some kind with my heart,

though it wasn't recorded with ECG, for 20 minutes. Heart just shook, didn't

pump blood perfectly. It tickled like crazy - Thought I was gonna itch my heart

out of my chest, thought this was gonna kill me for SURE. I was ONLY taking 100

mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 at the time. NOTHING else. Barely any vitamin supplements

at all. I didn't have any special diets either. I felt good til THIS point when

the heart issue appeared.

The heart thing, and a high Free T3, made the endocrinologists remove my T3 meds

in just 4 weeks time. They weened me off of 40 mcg T3 that fast. Not a good

thing. The pressure that exploded in my head in the coming 10 months almost made

me kill myself. The pressure NEVER left: Each minute, every day, I felt it.....

10 months worth of it.I did all kinds of tests... MRs, CTs of my head... Blood

samples of what the GP could offer me to run checks with (not a lot)... I was

healthy, peachy and fine! According to labs. ME, I felt like I was dying... The

pressure did leave in the end of 2008, and I don't know what happened it to

leave.

The summer of 2009 came, and I was finally put on HC by a doc in Finland (I live

in Norway) and it helped me some. No more laziness in the evenings (my main

symptom thru 2008 and into 2009). I was diagnosed with ADRENAL FATIGE by saliva

labs. I probably got it from having stressed adrenals over

time..................

Maybe even low stomach acid (have no clue if I have that btw!) from 2007 made my

iron absorption drop my Ferritin resulting in a bad tolerance of thyroid

medication leading to heart fibrillation and resulting in an attempt of a full

removal of my thyroid meds?

Tried T3 only from X-Mas 2009, for 3 months, with suspected REVERSE-T3

DOMINANCE, with a ratio of 15. (Must be above 20!). It was ok, and I did improve

in the beginning of T3-only treatment, but I did have a lot of irregular

heartbeats taking T3-only up to 10-12 times daily.

I finally went with ERFA Thyroid from March 2010. Adding DHEA and testosterone

gel as well. Hertoghe is my new, and current doc. And now he wants to start HGH

with me too.

I just don't know what's what anymore.........................

I am now on 1 & 1/4 grain ERFA Thyroid, 35 mg DHEA every other day and 2 g (2

pumps) testosterone gel daily.

Trying CREON for my digestion issues. Been on it for 7+ days. Got a case of BAD

diarrhea today. Dunno why. Dunno if I even need CREON (pancreatic enzyme).

Maybe I just need BEATIN (stomach acid), or maybe I just have a parasite. WHO

KNOWS...

*sigh*

Depressed...

After reading stuff like

this:http://longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedicine/a/HGH_aging.htmI just

wanna cry...

Cause I am told to start HGH-injections within a few days (still haven't ordered

it though) and it's supposed to help me heal! However... I have my doubts this

is a SAFE treatment for hypothyroidism.

___

July 20, 2010

Have you had your Pituitary checked out sounds to me like this is your problem.

It is mine and with this problem you need to address all your low or low normal

hormones if one is off it takes from the others. You need to level them all.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> After reading stuff like

this:http://longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedicine/a/HGH_aging.htmI

> just wanna cry...

>

> Cause I am told to start HGH-injections within a few days

> (still haven't ordered it though) and it's supposed to help

> me heal! However... I have my doubts this is a SAFE

> treatment for hypothyroidism.

>

> ___

>

July 20, 2010

have you read hertoghes book (belgium hertoghe right)? He says in there that

taking homrones sometimes rejuvenates the glands, and gives the example that he

needed less HGH as time went on after starting it as his pituitary started

making it again

> Subject: Re: Does HGH-treatment really work?

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:52 PM

> My IGF-1 in April, while I was on:

> ERFA Thyroid, HC and DHEA.

> igf-1 48.0 (11,0 - 40,0 nmol/l)

> igfbp-3 116 (49 - 176 nmol/l)

>

> " good " , or " normal " levels, right? So Hertoghe, my doc,

> thinks these levels are too low for my height! He wants me

> to start injections, 0.05 mg soon, and increase it, by 0.05

> mg, every 10 days, to 0.25 mg daily.

> I have been thinking about this EVERY single day since I

> visited him 3 weeks ago...

> I HATE thinking about getting " addicted " to more and more

> hormone replacements - My body will loose the ability to

> creats it's own DHEA, TESTOSTERONE (the stuff I am taking

> already) and finally HGH, right? It's like... What if I

> loose my HGH, is it even safe to be without it for a few

> days/weeks?

July 20, 2010

My Dr. told me that today when I seen him and asked if we needed to up my dose

of HGH.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Re: Does HGH-treatment really work?

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:10 PM

> have you read hertoghes book (belgium

> hertoghe right)? He says in there that taking homrones

> sometimes rejuvenates the glands, and gives the example that

> he needed less HGH as time went on after starting it as his

> pituitary started making it again

>

> > Subject: Re: Does HGH-treatment really

> work?

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:52 PM

> > My IGF-1 in April, while I was on:

> > ERFA Thyroid, HC and DHEA.

> > igf-1 48.0 (11,0 - 40,0 nmol/l)

> > igfbp-3 116 (49 - 176 nmol/l)

> >

> > " good " , or " normal " levels, right? So Hertoghe, my

> doc,

> > thinks these levels are too low for my height! He

> wants me

> > to start injections, 0.05 mg soon, and increase it, by

> 0.05

> > mg, every 10 days, to 0.25 mg daily.

> > I have been thinking about this EVERY single day since

> I

> > visited him 3 weeks ago...

> > I HATE thinking about getting " addicted " to more and

> more

> > hormone replacements - My body will loose the ability

> to

> > creats it's own DHEA, TESTOSTERONE (the stuff I am

> taking

> > already) and finally HGH, right? It's like... What if

> I

> > loose my HGH, is it even safe to be without it for a

> few

> > days/weeks?

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 20, 2010

I did both an MR and a CT of my head and nobody commented on my pituitary gland.

Are there any other ways to check it? Not that they knew what they were looking

for. I just complained about pain in my head. I did these tests myself. My GP

didn't think he needed to run these... Anyway. All that was visible (this was in

2008 when my problems started - and my problems started when the endo's started

removing my thyroid meds!) was Â my cyst below my right sinus. They said it's ok

to have it there.

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