Re: Re: Latest hormone labs..

[Guest guest]

Yes I think to go from nmol/L to pmol/L you add a zero so 18 would be 180

pmol/L. But I am not sure.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Once more, as I hate

> > > misunderstandings:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > I normally take DHEA capsules

> and

> > > apply

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > > gel in the Moring around 10-11 am.

> This

> > is

> > > when I

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So 0.13 nmol would be 18 pmol? Or? Confusing! Stupid labs - Why

can't they use ONE measurment method? Haha... Anyway.... Top of the

range 24 hrs after I put on gel/took DHEA is not good. I bet E2 is

higher if I do it liker Hertoghe wants!

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 24. mars 2011 kl. 21.19 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

> Yes I think to go from nmol/L to pmol/L you add a zero so 18 would

> be 180 pmol/L. But I am not sure.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: <gibcast@...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re:

> > Latest

> > > > hormone

> > > > > labs..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " "

> > > > > > < >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011,

> > 10:21

> > > AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both hard and phil misunderstand

> > me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont Get it. Is my English that

> > > horrible?

> > > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > told you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > guys clearly that I TAKE both

> > > Testosterone

> > > > and

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > > > every

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > day like I always do, the ONLY

> > > difference

> > > > is

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Hertoghe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > tells me to take these in the

> > evening

> > > > instead of

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > morning trer days before the draw.

> > So

> > > I

> > > > dont

> > > > > stop

> > > > > > taking

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > anything, I just take Testosterone

> > and

> > > DHEA

> > > > later

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > three days before the draw! Is

> > this

> > > clear

> > > > now?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > My question to you guys: Applying

> > > > Testosterone

> > > > > gel

> > > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > taking the DHEA capsule 12 hours

> > before

> > > the

> > > > > blood

> > > > > > draw, is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > this good? This is what Hertoghe

> > > wants.

> > > > Though

> > > > > he

> > > > > > doesnt

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > state when to take it, just

> > " evening "

[Guest guest]

No if your labs were 13 nmol/L then in pmol/l it would be 130 pmol/l and normal

would be 74 pmol/l.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: <gibcast@...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> Re:

> > > Latest

> > > > > hormone

> > > > > > labs..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " "

> > > > > > > < >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March

> 23, 2011,

> > > 10:21

> > > > AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both hard and phil

> misunderstand

> > > me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont Get it. Is my

> English that

> > > > horrible?

> > > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > told you

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > guys clearly that I TAKE

> both

> > > > Testosterone

> > > > > and

> > > > > > DHEA

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > day like I always do,

> the ONLY

> > > > difference

> > > > > is

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > Hertoghe

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > tells me to take these

> in the

> > > evening

> > > > > instead of

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > morning trer days before

> the draw.

> > > So

> > > > I

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > anything, I just take

> Testosterone

> > > and

> > > > DHEA

> > > > > later

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > three days before the

> draw! Is

> > > this

> > > > clear

> > > > > now?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My question to you guys:

> Applying

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > gel

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > taking the DHEA capsule

> 12 hours

> > > before

> > > > the

> > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > draw, is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this good? This is what

> Hertoghe

> > > > wants.

> > > > > Though

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > doesnt

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > state when to take it,

> just

> > > " evening "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From:

http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm

" To convert from SI Units to conventional units, divide by the listed

conversion factor. " The conversion factor is

Your estradiol in SI units, .

Your results:

0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

In conventional units your results and lab's range are:

35.4 (16-38 pg/mL)

Many report good results with the cherry 5,000 mcg Jarrow B12 sublinguals. I

disliked the taste and it might have been the xylitol as I didn't mind other

cherry B12 sublinguals. They did work really well for a 5 mg methyl

sublingual. I've taken Natural Factors sublinguals and they're good even

though they dissolve so quickly it's tricky to sublingual. They aren't

fruity and just taste sweet from the lactose and are a little gritty.

Yeah, some need to take some extra potassium when they add a lot of B12 and

start making blood cells.

-Nigel

On 24 March 2011 12:04, <gibcast@...> wrote:

>

>

> The concersion factor between E2 pg/ml and E2 pmol/l is 3.671 which beings

> the pg/ml to 47, if you multiply 0.13 pg/ml with 3.671. Which is too high.

> (Not sure if I should multiply or divide. If I divide, the result is 35 -

> Stilltoo high!) I am guessing it would have been even higher if I had for as

> Hertoghe tells me to do: Put on the gel/Take DHEA in the evenings before the

> draw.

>

> I feel crummy!

>

>

> T.

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

>

> Den 24. mars 2011 kl. 17.45 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

>

>

> I feel your Estradiol levels are very high but not sure your units are not

> like mine and I can't find a converter if you can convert them into pg/ml or

> pmol/L your good at around 20 pg/ml or at around 74 pmol/l.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Once more, as I hate

> > > misunderstandings:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > I normally take DHEA capsules and

> > > apply

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > > gel in the Moring around 10-11 am. This

> > is

> > > when I

> > > > wake

> > > > > up. I

> > > > >

> > > > > > know it's a little late but that's how

> > it is

> > > for

> > > > now.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > For testing, Dr. Hertoghe, my

> > hormone

> > > > doctor,

> > > > > tells me

> > > > >

> > > > > > to apply the Testosterone gel and to

> > take

> > > the

> > > > DHEA

> > > > > capsules

> > > > >

> > > > > > in the EVENING instead of in the

> > morning, in

> > > the

> > > > 3

> > > > > days

> > > > >

> > > > > > before drawing blood. He says this is

> > the

> > > best

> > > > way to

> > > > > get

> > > > >

> > > > > > accurate results. Probably cause it's

> > 12

> > > hours

> > > > from

> > > > >

> > > > > > application/ingestion instead of 24 hrs

> > when

> > > I do

> > > > my

> > > > > meds in

> > > > >

> > > > > > the morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > However this time, I applied the

> > > > Testosterone gel

> > > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > > took the DHEA caps as I normally do: In

> > the

> > > > morning.

> > > > > Of

> > > > >

> > > > > > course, I drew blood BEFORE applying

> > the

> > > > Testosterone

> > > > > gel

> > > > >

> > > > > > and taking my DHEA capsules the morning

> > of

> > > the

> > > > blood

> > > > > draw.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Are we clear now Phil? Do you

> > > understand?

> > > > From

> > > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > > point I put on the Testosterone gel and

> > took

> > > my

> > > > last

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > >

> > > > > > capsule before the blood draw at 11 am,

> > it

> > > went

> > > > > exactly 24

> > > > >

> > > > > > hours.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > I would appreciate further

> > comments on

> > > > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Den 22. mars 2011 kl. 14.49 skrev

> > > > > " hardasnails1973 "

> > > > >

> > > > > > <hardasnails1973@...>:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > always apply T gel before test 3

> > hours

> > > prior

> > > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > >

> > > > > > peak as well as your e2, not applying

> > the

> > > DHEA

> > > > gel 2-3

> > > > > night

> > > > >

> > > > > > prior will result in giving false

> > readings

> > > of e2

> > > > > readings

> > > > >

> > > > > > because it may being converted into e2.

> > b-12

> > > low

> > > > is

> > > > > probably

> > > > >

> > > > > > due to malabsorption issues which

> > makes

> > > sense. If

> > > > b-12

> > > > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > > serum and it is low then you have

> > severe

> > > > absorption

> > > > > issues.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Nigel,

I have that link it dose not convert nmol/l into pg/ml it converts pmol/l into

pg/ml. I am not sure but I think you add a zero to go from nmol/l into pmol/l

so if I am right his level would be 130. Your x .13 by 1000 to get pmol/l so in

pg/ml he would be 35 pg/ml not real high but enough to make some men feel bad.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once more, as I hate

> > > > misunderstandings:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I normally take DHEA

> capsules and

> > > > apply

> > > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > gel in the Moring around

> 10-11 am. This

> > > is

> > > > when I

> > > > > wake

> > > > > > up. I

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > know it's a little late but

> that's how

> > > it is

> > > > for

> > > > > now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For testing, Dr.

> Hertoghe, my

> > > hormone

> > > > > doctor,

> > > > > > tells me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > to apply the Testosterone gel

> and to

> > > take

> > > > the

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > > > capsules

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > in the EVENING instead of in

> the

> > > morning, in

> > > > the

> > > > > 3

> > > > > > days

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > before drawing blood. He says

> this is

> > > the

> > > > best

> > > > > way to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > accurate results. Probably

> cause it's

> > > 12

> > > > hours

> > > > > from

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > application/ingestion instead

> of 24 hrs

> > > when

> > > > I do

> > > > > my

> > > > > > meds in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > the morning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However this time, I

> applied the

> > > > > Testosterone gel

> > > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > took the DHEA caps as I

> normally do: In

> > > the

> > > > > morning.

> > > > > > Of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > course, I drew blood BEFORE

> applying

> > > the

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > gel

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > and taking my DHEA capsules

> the morning

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > blood

> > > > > > draw.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are we clear now Phil?

> Do you

> > > > understand?

> > > > > From

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > point I put on the

> Testosterone gel and

> > > took

> > > > my

> > > > > last

> > > > > > DHEA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > capsule before the blood draw

> at 11 am,

> > > it

> > > > went

> > > > > > exactly 24

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > hours.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would appreciate

> further

> > > comments on

> > > > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Den 22. mars 2011 kl.

> 14.49 skrev

> > > > > > " hardasnails1973 "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > <hardasnails1973@...>:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > always apply T gel

> before test 3

> > > hours

> > > > prior

> > > > > to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > peak as well as your e2, not

> applying

> > > the

> > > > DHEA

> > > > > gel 2-3

> > > > > > night

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > prior will result in giving

> false

> > > readings

> > > > of e2

> > > > > > readings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > because it may being

> converted into e2.

> > > b-12

> > > > low

> > > > > is

> > > > > > probably

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > due to malabsorption issues

> which

> > > makes

> > > > sense. If

> > > > > b-12

> > > > > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > serum and it is low then you

> have

> > > severe

> > > > > absorption

> > > > > > issues.

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I had swinging E2 naturally years ago. From top range, but mostly half or bottom

range. So... If E2 swings anyway.. How can we know what to do?

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 25. mars 2011 kl. 15.11 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

Nigel,

I have that link it dose not convert nmol/l into pg/ml it converts pmol/l into

pg/ml. I am not sure but I think you add a zero to go from nmol/l into pmol/l so

if I am right his level would be 130. Your x .13 by 1000 to get pmol/l so in

pg/ml he would be 35 pg/ml not real high but enough to make some men feel bad.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: <gibcast@...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> Re: Latest

> > > > hormone

> > > > > labs..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " "

> > > > > > < >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't under stand your Question yes E2 goes up and down but never down to

normal when to high from TRT. All hormones in your body go up then down accross

the day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: <gibcast@...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

>

> > Re: Latest

> > > > > hormone

> > > > > > labs..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " "

> > > > > > > < >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Right, I moved the decimal to get a result that made sense.

Yes, , with our lab testing we're only capturing a snapshot in time.

Hormones fluctuate and vary. However, we can still get an idea where things

are, especially if we've tested a few times and seen a trend with levels.

This isn't the first time you've tested estradiol.

-Nigel

On 25 March 2011 09:11, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> Nigel,

>

> I have that link it dose not convert nmol/l into pg/ml it converts pmol/l

> into pg/ml. I am not sure but I think you add a zero to go from nmol/l into

> pmol/l so if I am right his level would be 130. Your x .13 by 1000 to get

> pmol/l so in pg/ml he would be 35 pg/ml not real high but enough to make

> some men feel bad.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

No. The trend seems to be top range E2. It was midrange one time in February.

But mostly top range. All I know is: After I started TRT, I feel almost no

Desire. Though I can force a strong erection if I want to. But ejaculate is weak

and low in volume which happened only after I started TRT. I had great working

erections, libido/Desire, powerful and huge ejaculate before TRT 1 year ago. TRT

was started onlye because of loe Total Testosterone in serum on one blood draw

March 2010. That's ONE snapshot.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 25. mars 2011 kl. 19.34 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...>:

Right, I moved the decimal to get a result that made sense.

Yes, , with our lab testing we're only capturing a snapshot in time.

Hormones fluctuate and vary. However, we can still get an idea where things

are, especially if we've tested a few times and seen a trend with levels.

This isn't the first time you've tested estradiol.

-Nigel

On 25 March 2011 09:11, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> Nigel,

>

> I have that link it dose not convert nmol/l into pg/ml it converts pmol/l

> into pg/ml. I am not sure but I think you add a zero to go from nmol/l into

> pmol/l so if I am right his level would be 130. Your x .13 by 1000 to get

> pmol/l so in pg/ml he would be 35 pg/ml not real high but enough to make

> some men feel bad.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

That is a down side to going on TRT men needing TRT because of low levels end up

with high Estradiol and all one needs to do to fix this is get the Estradiol

levels down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > Nigel,

> >

> > I have that link it dose not convert nmol/l into pg/ml

> it converts pmol/l

> > into pg/ml. I am not sure but I think you add a zero

> to go from nmol/l into

> > pmol/l so if I am right his level would be 130. Your x

> .13 by 1000 to get

> > pmol/l so in pg/ml he would be 35 pg/ml not real high

> but enough to make

> > some men feel bad.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Other downsides; Higher HCT, danger of clotting... And probably more too...

Hey, what do YOU say Phil, will ejaculate be stronger and better in volume and

power when I get E2 down?

Also, will E2 block Thyroid? Cause last night I had a puls of 50.... Normally

its 80!

>

> >

> >

> > Nigel,

> >

> > I have that link it dose not convert nmol/l into pg/ml

> it converts pmol/l

> > into pg/ml. I am not sure but I think you add a zero

> to go from nmol/l into

> > pmol/l so if I am right his level would be 130. Your x

> .13 by 1000 to get

> > pmol/l so in pg/ml he would be 35 pg/ml not real high

> but enough to make

> > some men feel bad.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

As you get night time and morning wood back and keep in the zone yes it will get

better. The night time wood is how your body keeps the pipes clean and working

better.

Yes E2 levels changing can change your Thyroid but as you level off your thyoid

should level off.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Nigel,

>

> > >

>

> > > I have that link it dose not convert nmol/l into

> pg/ml

>

> > it converts pmol/l

>

> > > into pg/ml. I am not sure but I think you add a

> zero

>

> > to go from nmol/l into

>

> > > pmol/l so if I am right his level would be 130.

> Your x

>

> > .13 by 1000 to get

>

> > > pmol/l so in pg/ml he would be 35 pg/ml not real

> high

>

> > but enough to make

>

> > > some men feel bad.

>

> > > Co-Moderator

>

> > > Phil

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >