Re: Latest hormone labs..

[Guest guest]

always apply T gel before test 3 hours prior to get peak as well as your e2, not

applying the DHEA gel 2-3 night prior will result in giving false readings of e2

readings because it may being converted into e2. b-12 low is probably due to

malabsorption issues which makes sense. If b-12 is serum and it is low then you

have severe absorption issues. IMO these are erraneous and in accurate results

for Testosternoe and e2.

>

> 11th of March 2011:

>

> Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not apply gel/DHEA in the

evening 2-3 evenings before drawing blood. Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in

the mornings. But did NOT apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 †" 14,7) NOTE: FTI = testosterone (nmol/l) x

10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after 10 mg HC.

> FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> S-Aldosterone - In process

> S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> S-rT3 - In process

>

> Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone (low), Estradiol (high), and

B12 (low).

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't say your T levels are low most of use test the morning before putting on

the cream or gel then put it on after. Your stopping it a few days before your

labs so I can't tell. Your Dr. has you do this because he knows what he needs

to see. Your E2 is very high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Latest hormone labs..

> " " < >

> Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

> 11th of March 2011:

>

> Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not apply

> gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing blood.

> Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But did NOT

> apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 – 14,7) NOTE: FTI =

> testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after 10 mg

> HC.

> FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> S-Aldosterone - In process

> S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> S-rT3 - In process

>

> Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone (low),

> Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What? I just told you I put the gel on in the 3 evenings before blood draw

instead of in the mornings like I normally do. Why do you Think I am stopping

it?

Diane at the Adrenals group just told me my E2 is good. I never really saw E2 in

the upper part of the range before so I say it's too high.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 22. mars 2011 kl. 15.26 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

I can't say your T levels are low most of use test the morning before putting on

the cream or gel then put it on after. Your stopping it a few days before your

labs so I can't tell. Your Dr. has you do this because he knows what he needs to

see. Your E2 is very high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Latest hormone labs..

> " " < >

> Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

> 11th of March 2011:

>

> Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not apply

> gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing blood.

> Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But did NOT

> apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 – 14,7) NOTE: FTI =

> testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after 10 mg

> HC.

> FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> S-Aldosterone - In process

> S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> S-rT3 - In process

>

> Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone (low),

> Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what medical/clinical experience does Diane have LOL? I only know a few female

HRT specialist that known their stuff. When you have 2 veterans in the field.

One 3000+ clincal hours, and both have been dealing with HRT issues on personal

level for several years. Who's more credible? No brainer..eh.. if your e2 is at

top of range ready and you are at the trough, more test = more e2 common sense

especially with low to mid normal SHBG

>

> > From: <gibcast@...>

> > Subject: Latest hormone labs..

> > " " < >

> > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

> > 11th of March 2011:

> >

> > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not apply

> > gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing blood.

> > Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But did NOT

> > apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 †" 14,7) NOTE: FTI =

> > testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after 10 mg

> > HC.

> > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > S-rT3 - In process

> >

> > Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone (low),

> > Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tom,

Do this convert your units for Estraidol into pg/ml and we can tell you if your

good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: <gibcast@...>

> > Subject: Latest hormone labs..

> > " "

> < >

> > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

> > 11th of March 2011:

> >

> > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not

> apply

> > gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing

> blood.

> > Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But

> did NOT

> > apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 – 14,7) NOTE: FTI

> =

> > testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after

> 10 mg

> > HC.

> > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > S-rT3 - In process

> >

> > Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone

> (low),

> > Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Here's how you convert estradiol:

http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm

0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l) = 35.4 (16-38 pg/mL)

I get how you applied the testosterone. If you'd taken testosterone closer

to the blood draw I'd imagine testosterone would be higher and possibly

estradiol as well. Either way, that's heaps of estradiol.

I too wonder if the DHEA capsules are causing more problems as they easily

drive up estradiol.

Do you take B12, ?

-Nigel

On 22 March 2011 15:01, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tom,

>

> Do this convert your units for Estraidol into pg/ml and we can tell you if

> your good.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > > From: <gibcast@...>

> > > Subject: Latest hormone labs..

> > > " "

> > < >

> > > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

> > > 11th of March 2011:

> > >

> > > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not

> > apply

> > > gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing

> > blood.

> > > Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But

> > did NOT

> > > apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> > > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 – 14,7) NOTE: FTI

> > =

> > > testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> > > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after

> > 10 mg

> > > HC.

> > > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> > > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> > > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > > S-rT3 - In process

> > >

> > > Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone

> > (low),

> > > Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

just stop the dhea night before the blood draw. This is probably why you can not

stablize for christ sakes because your not getting accurate e2 results. your e2

is this high 3 days with out dhea, what that hell is it will it ? Some times

these drs do not use common sense. In the mean time patient suffers.

In , <gibcast@...> wrote:

>

> Once more, as I hate misunderstandings:

>

> I normally take DHEA capsules and apply Testosterone gel in the Moring around

10-11 am. This is when I wake up. I know it's a little late but that's how it is

for now.

>

> For testing, Dr. Hertoghe, my hormone doctor, tells me to apply the

Testosterone gel and to take the DHEA capsules in the EVENING instead of in the

morning, in the 3 days before drawing blood. He says this is the best way to get

accurate results. Probably cause it's 12 hours from application/ingestion

instead of 24 hrs when I do my meds in the morning.

>

> However this time, I applied the Testosterone gel and took the DHEA caps as I

normally do: In the morning. Of course, I drew blood BEFORE applying the

Testosterone gel and taking my DHEA capsules the morning of the blood draw.

>

> Are we clear now Phil? Do you understand? From the point I put on the

Testosterone gel and took my last DHEA capsule before the blood draw at 11 am,

it went exactly 24 hours.

>

> I would appreciate further comments on this.

>

>

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

>

> Den 22. mars 2011 kl. 14.49 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>:

>

> always apply T gel before test 3 hours prior to get peak as well as your e2,

not applying the DHEA gel 2-3 night prior will result in giving false readings

of e2 readings because it may being converted into e2. b-12 low is probably due

to malabsorption issues which makes sense. If b-12 is serum and it is low then

you have severe absorption issues. IMO these are erraneous and in accurate

results for Testosternoe and e2.

>

>

> >

> > 11th of March 2011:

> >

> > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not apply gel/DHEA in the

evening 2-3 evenings before drawing blood. Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in

the mornings. But did NOT apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 †" 14,7) NOTE: FTI = testosterone

(nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after 10 mg HC.

> > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > S-rT3 - In process

> >

> > Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone (low), Estradiol (high),

and B12 (low).

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It depends on the competency of the dr and proper testing methods..

> > > >

> > > > 11th of March 2011:

> > > >

> > > > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > > > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > > > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > > > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > > > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did

> > not

> > > apply gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before

> > drawing

> > > blood. Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the

> > mornings. But

> > > did NOT apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right

> > after.

> > > > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 †" 14,7)

> > NOTE:

> > > FTI = testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) =

> > result.

> > > > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > > > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > > > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins

> > after

> > > 10 mg HC.

> > > > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > > > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> > > > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > > > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > > > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > > > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > > > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > > > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > > > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> > > > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > > > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > > > S-rT3 - In process

> > > >

> > > > Anything that stands out? I question

> > Testosterone

> > > (low), Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Lets make this simple.

1. how long before the test did you stop the DHEA.

> > >

> > > 11th of March 2011:

> > >

> > > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not apply gel/DHEA in the

evening 2-3 evenings before drawing blood. Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in

the mornings. But did NOT apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> > > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 †" 14,7) NOTE: FTI =

testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> > > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after 10 mg HC.

> > > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> > > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> > > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > > S-rT3 - In process

> > >

> > > Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone (low), Estradiol (high),

and B12 (low).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to clarify things..Obviously the language barrier was broken LOL

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 11th of March 2011:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > > > > > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > > > > > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > > > > > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > > > > > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l)

> > - Did

> > > > not

> > > > > apply gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings

> > before

> > > > drawing

> > > > > blood. Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in

> > the

> > > > mornings. But

> > > > > did NOT apply T-gel before drawing blood,

> > only right

> > > > after.

> > > > > > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0

> > †" 14,7)

> > > > NOTE:

> > > > > FTI = testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG

> > (nmol/l) =

> > > > result.

> > > > > > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > > > > > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > > > > > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) -

> > 30-60 mins

> > > > after

> > > > > 10 mg HC.

> > > > > > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > > > > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > > > > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > > > > > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4

> > nmol/l)

> > > > > > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > > > > > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > > > > > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > > > > > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > > > > > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > > > > > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > > > > > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0

> > mmol/L)

> > > > > > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > > > > > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > > > > > S-rT3 - In process

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anything that stands out? I question

> > > > Testosterone

> > > > > (low), Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

if 2 people came to same conclusion then that should tellyou some thing

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> > > > > > > 11th of March 2011:

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> > > > > > > Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> > > > > > > Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> > > > > > > TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> > > > > > > Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> > > > > > > S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l)

> > > - Did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > apply gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings

> > > before

> > > > > drawing

> > > > > > blood. Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in

> > > the

> > > > > mornings. But

> > > > > > did NOT apply T-gel before drawing blood,

> > > only right

> > > > > after.

> > > > > > > Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0

> > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ " 14,7)

> > > > > NOTE:

> > > > > > FTI = testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG

> > > (nmol/l) =

> > > > > result.

> > > > > > > Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> > > > > > > SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > > > > > > S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) -

> > > 30-60 mins

> > > > > after

> > > > > > 10 mg HC.

> > > > > > > FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > > > > > LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> > > > > > > Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> > > > > > > OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4

> > > nmol/l)

> > > > > > > Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> > > > > > > S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> > > > > > > Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> > > > > > > Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> > > > > > > TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> > > > > > > Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> > > > > > > FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0

> > > mmol/L)

> > > > > > > S-Aldosterone - In process

> > > > > > > S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> > > > > > > S-rT3 - In process

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anything that stands out? I question

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > (low), Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for understanding Nigel!

I don't take any other B12 than the 200 mcg I get daily in my 2 x Labs

Stress-Plex! I know this is not a lot. I have had B12 deficiency many times over

the years. When I say deficiency I mean values lese than optimal. I am now at

what.. 420? This is not optimal. I guess I have absorption issues. Maybe I

should do B12 shots? Or sublinguals? Which have less side effects? Is it true

hypokalemia is a side effect from taking a lot of B12?

I will apply the Testosterone gel as well as take the DHEA capsules in the

evening instead of in the morning in the 3 days before next time I draw blood

for a hormone panel.

I think my lack of Desire proves My E2 is too high. I probably have other sides

from high E2 as well.

Red eyes is one side right?

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Den 22. mars 2011 kl. 21.40 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...>:

Here's how you convert estradiol:

http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm

0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l) = 35.4 (16-38 pg/mL)

I get how you applied the testosterone. If you'd taken testosterone closer

to the blood draw I'd imagine testosterone would be higher and possibly

estradiol as well. Either way, that's heaps of estradiol.

I too wonder if the DHEA capsules are causing more problems as they easily

drive up estradiol.

Do you take B12, ?

-Nigel

On 22 March 2011 15:01, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Tom,

Do this convert your units for Estraidol into pg/ml and we can tell you if

your good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

From: <gibcast@...>

Subject: Latest hormone labs..

" "

< >

Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

11th of March 2011:

Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not

apply

gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing

blood.

Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But

did NOT

apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 – 14,7) NOTE: FTI

=

testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after

10 mg

HC.

FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

S-Aldosterone - In process

S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

S-rT3 - In process

Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone

(low),

Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

[Guest guest]

I recommed sourcenatural b advanced sublingual

>

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Latest hormone labs..

> " "

> < >

> Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

> 11th of March 2011:

>

> Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not

> apply

> gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing

> blood.

> Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But

> did NOT

> apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 †" 14,7) NOTE: FTI

> =

> testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after

> 10 mg

> HC.

> FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> S-Aldosterone - In process

> S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> S-rT3 - In process

>

> Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone

> (low),

> Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tip!

How is Jarrows sublingual B12? I choose sublinguals by flavor as I hate

berry-flavors! I must have vanilla for example.

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Den 24. mars 2011 kl. 14.35 skrev " hardasnails1973 "

<hardasnails1973@...>:

I recommed sourcenatural b advanced sublingual

>

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Latest hormone labs..

> " "

> < >

> Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:25 AM

> 11th of March 2011:

>

> Free T3 5.8 (3.6 - 8.3 pmol/l)

> Free T4 9.4 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

> TSH 0.72 (0.5 - 3.6 mIE/l)

> Anti-TPO <10 (< 35 kIE/l)

> S-Testosterone 18.3 (8,0 - 35,0 nmol/l) - Did not

> apply

> gel/DHEA in the evening 2-3 evenings before drawing

> blood.

> Applied gel/took DHEA as normal in the mornings. But

> did NOT

> apply T-gel before drawing blood, only right after.

> Free Testosterone Index 8.0 (3,0 †" 14,7) NOTE: FTI

> =

> testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = result.

> Estradiol 0.13 (0,06 - 0,14 nmol/l)

> SHBG 23 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol 665 (138 - 690 nmol/l) - 30-60 mins after

> 10 mg

> HC.

> FSH 1.6 (<12,0 IE/l)

> LH 3.2 (<12,0 IE/l)

> Progesterone 1.4 (< 3,0 nmol/l)

> OH-progesterone 3.8 (1,8 - 10,4 nmol/l)

> Ferritin 67 (30 - 250 m g/L)

> S-Iron 21.8 (9 - 34 m mol/L)

> Transferrin 2.4 (2 - 4 g/L)

> Transferrin saturation 37 (15 - 57%)

> TIBC 59 (49-83 umol/L)

> Vitamin B12 426 (160-800 pmol/L)

> FS-Glucose 5.0 (Serum 4.0 - 6,0 mmol/L)

> S-Aldosterone - In process

> S-Dihydrotestosteron - In process

> S-rT3 - In process

>

> Anything that stands out? I question Testosterone

> (low),

> Estradiol (high), and B12 (low).

>

>

>

>

>

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