Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I concur, I am excited although sometimes frustrated after 13 years of having a thyroid problem, I finally know that if treated properly I should feel better. Just told my doc the other day that I have been treated for 13 years based on the tests various doctors did. I am done with that kind of thinking, I will decide how my life will go. I just got off line from ordering Armour in a higher dose although it will only take me up to 120 and 180 if I double them. I am at least not being held back at 60. I will investigate one more doc in my area and see what his answers are to a few ?? about how he prescribes it and if they are not right I won't bother with appointment. -- In hypothyroidism , " " <veetee@...> wrote: > > We are NOT the sum total of any test, we can have differing bio- chemical profiles and I am sick of docs treating patients with a one size fits all approach. > > If the doc isn't working for you have the choice to change probably, and find someone who is in tune with you as an individual. Hope things improve for you, > > Love, > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I concur, I am excited although sometimes frustrated after 13 years of having a thyroid problem, I finally know that if treated properly I should feel better. Just told my doc the other day that I have been treated for 13 years based on the tests various doctors did. I am done with that kind of thinking, I will decide how my life will go. I just got off line from ordering Armour in a higher dose although it will only take me up to 120 and 180 if I double them. I am at least not being held back at 60. I will investigate one more doc in my area and see what his answers are to a few ?? about how he prescribes it and if they are not right I won't bother with appointment. -- In hypothyroidism , " " <veetee@...> wrote: > > We are NOT the sum total of any test, we can have differing bio- chemical profiles and I am sick of docs treating patients with a one size fits all approach. > > If the doc isn't working for you have the choice to change probably, and find someone who is in tune with you as an individual. Hope things improve for you, > > Love, > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 good luck to you! I didn't know Armour could be ordered online, where? tdtsjlmiller <tdtsjlmiller@...> wrote: I concur, I am excited although sometimes frustrated after 13 years of having a thyroid problem, I finally know that if treated properly I should feel better. Just told my doc the other day that I have been treated for 13 years based on the tests various doctors did. I am done with that kind of thinking, I will decide how my life will go. I just got off line from ordering Armour in a higher dose although it will only take me up to 120 and 180 if I double them. I am at least not being held back at 60. I will investigate one more doc in my area and see what his answers are to a few ?? about how he prescribes it and if they are not right I won't bother with appointment. -- In hypothyroidism , " " <veetee@...> wrote: > > We are NOT the sum total of any test, we can have differing bio- chemical profiles and I am sick of docs treating patients with a one size fits all approach. > > If the doc isn't working for you have the choice to change probably, and find someone who is in tune with you as an individual. Hope things improve for you, > > Love, > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 > I put my trust in doctors and that trust was betrayed. I have taken myself off synthetic meds and put myself on Armour because was sick of saying I was still not 100%, but being sent away with 'but your test results show you are fine'. We are NOT the sum total of any test, we can have differing bio-chemical profiles and I am sick of docs treating patients with a one size fits all approach. > AMEN to that! Thank Val for your input! I appreciate it!~Cherish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 No one has any insight into this? I am going to the dr. on Tuesday and not sure what to make of this. Any feedback would be helpful... Joe > > I had my yearly battery of blood work done with the addition of a 24 hour cortisol and creatinine urine test. My T numbers are not back but I expect them to be a little lower because I missed a shot because I was traveling (Doc won't let me do the shots myself). The cortisol total (blood) was 13.9mcg/dL and the urine cortisol was 59.9mcg/24hr both of which are fine. What did come back as high was IGF-I st 244ng/mL on a range of 86-220 and the creatinine urine was very high at 4.01 grams/24hrs with the top of the range being 2 grams/24hrs. The blood creatinine level was on the high end of the range at 1.27 Glucose was 110 which is high but not that high. I was well hydrated during the urine test so I am not sure what this means. I also had another MRI with contrast done and the pituitary adenoma has not grown which is good. Cholesterol was high but marginally so because I am on simvistatin. The ratio was 5.3 and the HDL was low at 38, but that's the story of my life. Any insight into the creatinine level and the IGF-I? > > Thanks, > > Joe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged adults may have more naturally.. urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released specifically during different times of the day.. Blood glucose; will be different during different times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: *normal* would be 80-120 IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you have a pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Moms thyroid was low treated it and cholesstrol dropped 40 points in 3 weeks. First time in 40 years > > > > I had my yearly battery of blood work done with the addition of a 24 hour cortisol and creatinine urine test. My T numbers are not back but I expect them to be a little lower because I missed a shot because I was traveling (Doc won't let me do the shots myself). The cortisol total (blood) was 13.9mcg/dL and the urine cortisol was 59.9mcg/24hr both of which are fine. What did come back as high was IGF-I st 244ng/mL on a range of 86-220 and the creatinine urine was very high at 4.01 grams/24hrs with the top of the range being 2 grams/24hrs. The blood creatinine level was on the high end of the range at 1.27 Glucose was 110 which is high but not that high. I was well hydrated during the urine test so I am not sure what this means. I also had another MRI with contrast done and the pituitary adenoma has not grown which is good. Cholesterol was high but marginally so because I am on simvistatin. The ratio was 5.3 and the HDL was low at 38, but that's the story of my life. Any insight into the creatinine level and the IGF-I? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Yes, I am being treated for hypothyroidism. On synthroid 100mcg. TSH was .45 and T4 was 1.2. Both in the normal range. The cortisol tests both came back in range. Yes, I have a pituitary tumor which may explain the IGF-I. Joe > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged adults may have more naturally.. > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released specifically during different times of the day.. > > Blood glucose; will be different during different times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: *normal* would be 80-120 > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you have a pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Joe I was sure I replied to this post and now that your still asking I looked for my Reply and can't find it so here goes. I am Hypopituitary due to a head injury you can read my story and the up date about my heart at this link. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239 Your blood Cortisol levels to me are low I tell people with they are 12 or lower they need 4x's in a day Saliva Test on Cortiol levels to see where there rhythm is. It should be high in the morning and low by bedtime. I feel because you have a Pituitary problem and most people feel some stress with doing blood labs your morning Cortisol test is low. Read this link. http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/ Your IGF-1 levels might be high because of your pituitary putting out the message for more and you don't need it. I don't see this happen but it's passable. Because my Pituitary is bad do to a head injury I need Testosterone, HCG, HGH, Arimidex, Armour, Cortef, Florinef, Iron pills and many B type Vit.'s. You need to have a good Dr. up on this that will test all this and stay on top of it. Some if the hormones were just low normal but treating them I feel better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...> > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:05 PM > No one has any insight into > this? I am going to the dr. on Tuesday and not sure > what to make of this. Any feedback would be helpful... > > > Joe > > > > > > I had my yearly battery of blood work done with the > addition of a 24 hour cortisol and creatinine urine > test. My T numbers are not back but I expect them to > be a little lower because I missed a shot because I was > traveling (Doc won't let me do the shots myself). The > cortisol total (blood) was 13.9mcg/dL and the urine cortisol > was 59.9mcg/24hr both of which are fine. What did come > back as high was IGF-I st 244ng/mL on a range of 86-220 and > the creatinine urine was very high at 4.01 grams/24hrs with > the top of the range being 2 grams/24hrs. The blood > creatinine level was on the high end of the range at 1.27 > Glucose was 110 which is high but not that high. I was > well hydrated during the urine test so I am not sure what > this means. I also had another MRI with contrast done > and the pituitary adenoma has not grown which is good. > Cholesterol was high but marginally so because I am on > simvistatin. The ratio was 5.3 and the HDL was low at > 38, but that's the story of my life. Any insight into > the creatinine level and the IGF-I? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 What are the ft4 and ft4 ? > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged adults may have more naturally.. > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during different times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you have a pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Do you have Free T3 and Free T4 levels with lab ranges to share? You may feel better on a dessicated thryoid product that contains T3 (and T1. T2. and calcitonin) the active thyroid hormone..El > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged adults may have more naturally.. > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during different times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you have a pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Yes mbmom is right we can't get Armour anymore but you might try this one. http://www.erfa-sa.com/thyroid_usa.htm My wife was on T4 only meds for yrs. never felt good she seen a none Endo Dr. and he put her on Armour and it was like day and night to her she never felt so good in many yrs. a good book to read about this or just the web sit is here. When they had a forum there I was a mod for the men. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...> > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:02 PM > Do you have Free T3 and Free T4 > levels with lab ranges to share? You may feel better on a > dessicated thryoid product that contains T3 (and T1. T2. and > calcitonin) the active thyroid hormone..El > > > > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney > function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, > diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, > bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one > expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared > by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged > adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this > would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know > what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing > can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released > specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during different > times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: > *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc > suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you have a > pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I just got my order of these guys. It took about a week and they are pretty cheap. http://www.universaldrugstore.com/medications/thyroid ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 3:18:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: Weird Results Yes mbmom is right we can't get Armour anymore but you might try this one. http://www.erfa-sa.com/thyroid_usa.htm My wife was on T4 only meds for yrs. never felt good she seen a none Endo Dr. and he put her on Armour and it was like day and night to her she never felt so good in many yrs. a good book to read about this or just the web sit is here. When they had a forum there I was a mod for the men. http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: mbmom123 <lathe30248mypacks (DOT) net> > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:02 PM > Do you have Free T3 and Free T4 > levels with lab ranges to share? You may feel better on a > dessicated thryoid product that contains T3 (and T1. T2. and > calcitonin) the active thyroid hormone..El > > > > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney > function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, > diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, > bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one > expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared > by the kidneys..age dependant... muscular or middle aged > adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this > would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know > what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing > can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released > specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during different > times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: > *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc > suspects growth hormone deficiency-- in your case, you have a > pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Thanks when I need some next time this might be a better price and less of a problem getting it. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: mbmom123 <lathe30248mypacks (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:02 PM > > Do you have Free T3 and Free T4 > > levels with lab ranges to share? You may feel better > on a > > dessicated thryoid product that contains T3 (and T1. > T2. and > > calcitonin) the active thyroid hormone..El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney > > function--if kidney function impaired (high blood > pressure, > > diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, > > bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver > disease....one > > expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not > cleared > > by the kidneys..age dependant... muscular or middle > aged > > adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but > this > > would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not > know > > what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva > testing > > can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is > released > > specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during > different > > times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was > am: > > *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if > doc > > suspects growth hormone deficiency-- in your case, you > have a > > pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 $7 shipping and a 35 cents international charge from the credit card company. It went smoothly. They would only give me 200 pills. They said they are only giving people enough for 3 months so everyone gets some. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 3:33:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: Weird Results Thanks when I need some next time this might be a better price and less of a problem getting it. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@ mypacks. net> > > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:02 PM > > Do you have Free T3 and Free T4 > > levels with lab ranges to share? You may feel better > on a > > dessicated thryoid product that contains T3 (and T1. > T2. and > > calcitonin) the active thyroid hormone..El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney > > function--if kidney function impaired (high blood > pressure, > > diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, > > bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver > disease....one > > expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not > cleared > > by the kidneys..age dependant... muscular or middle > aged > > adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but > this > > would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not > know > > what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva > testing > > can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is > released > > specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during > different > > times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was > am: > > *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if > doc > > suspects growth hormone deficiency-- in your case, you > have a > > pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Medco has a med they just call it Thyroid I asked if it was made by Erfa they said they could not tell me. But they said it's there Generic to Armour and everyone dose great on it and now that we can't get Armour they sell a lot of it I might try this first. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@ mypacks. net> > > > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > > > > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:02 PM > > > Do you have Free T3 and Free T4 > > > levels with lab ranges to share? You may feel > better > > on a > > > dessicated thryoid product that contains T3 (and > T1. > > T2. and > > > calcitonin) the active thyroid hormone..El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests > kidney > > > function--if kidney function impaired (high > blood > > pressure, > > > diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, > cimetadine, > > > bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver > > disease....one > > > expects to see high levels of creatine as it is > not > > cleared > > > by the kidneys..age dependant... muscular or > middle > > aged > > > adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, > but > > this > > > would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would > not > > know > > > what time of day you may be too high or > low...saliva > > testing > > > can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is > > released > > > specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different > during > > different > > > times of day--assumes you were fasting and this > was > > am: > > > *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used > if > > doc > > > suspects growth hormone deficiency-- in your > case, you > > have a > > > pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at > all? El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 At my behest, my dr. started me on Cytomel which helped a bit but she discontinued it because it sent my TSH to almost nothing. I've talked to her about natural thryoid meds (Armour etc) and she is not a fan and won't prescribe them. Joe > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during different times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you have a pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 TSH can not be measured when on thyroid meds its useless..end of story > > > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but this would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not know what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva testing can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is released specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during different times of day--assumes you were fasting and this was am: *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if doc suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you have a pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 It can be measured, but its value falls to meaninglessness (if that's a word). And doctors get scared when it falls to zero, as if that actually means anything. TSH is about thyroid; that's it. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Hi Joe You might want to look at getting a new doc. She obviously does not have a clue about the thyroid. You should get Nature-throid if you want natural thyroid meds. Make sure you check for reverse t3 tested along with free t3. Sky ________________________________ From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...> Sent: Sun, 14 February, 2010 8:06:55 AM Subject: Re: Weird Results  At my behest, my dr. started me on Cytomel which helped a bit but she discontinued it because it sent my TSH to almost nothing. I've talked to her about natural thryoid meds (Armour etc) and she is not a fan and won't prescribe them. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Also what is your ferritin level? Sky ________________________________  Hi Joe You might want to look at getting a new doc. She obviously does not have a clue about the thyroid. You should get Nature-throid if you want natural thyroid meds. Make sure you check for reverse t3 tested along with free t3. Sky ____________ _________ _________ __ From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sun, 14 February, 2010 8:06:55 AM Subject: Re: Weird Results  At my behest, my dr. started me on Cytomel which helped a bit but she discontinued it because it sent my TSH to almost nothing. I've talked to her about natural thryoid meds (Armour etc) and she is not a fan and won't prescribe them. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Joe if you don't feel better on them meds don't waste your time with this Dr. there are Thousands of people that take desiccated thyroid meds and feel much better then doing T4 or T3 only meds. The web is full of people that were on them meds seeing Endo's or Dr.'s not up on Thyroid problems. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/t4-only-meds-dont-work/ My wife was one on them 15 yrs seeing Endo's and not feeling better. All they would do is offer her Prozac and tell her to lose weight. Well telling some one that is not getting the right treatment for there low Thyroid to lose weight is nuts one can't lose weight if there are not on the right meds. She seen my Dr. he put her on Armour and she felt great for the first time in yrs and lost weight. Yes some people do well on T3 and T4 only meds but as many that do there are as many that don't. Co-Moderator Phil > From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...> > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:06 PM > At my behest, my dr. started me on > Cytomel which helped a bit but she discontinued it because > it sent my TSH to almost nothing. I've talked to her > about natural thryoid meds (Armour etc) and she is not a fan > and won't prescribe them. > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > I'll give it a shot: creatine tests kidney > function--if kidney function impaired (high blood pressure, > diabetes), and some drugs (cephlosporins, cimetadine, > bactrim) elevate these levels, so can liver disease....one > expects to see high levels of creatine as it is not cleared > by the kidneys..age dependant...muscular or middle aged > adults may have more naturally.. > > > > > > > > urinary cortisol- didn't see ranges, but > this would measure output for 24 hours..thus you would not > know what time of day you may be too high or low...saliva > testing can tell you this w/more accuracy as cortisol is > released specifically during different times of the day.. > > > > > > > > Blood glucose; will be different during > different times of day--assumes you were fasting and this > was am: *normal* would be 80-120 > > > > > > > > IGF-evaluates pituitary function--used if > doc suspects growth hormone deficiency--in your case, you > have a pit tumor, so this is reflecting that??? > > > > > > > > Have you tested thyroid hormones at all? El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Her is my thinking on this from what I have read about Thyroid problems. TSH is the message sent to the Thyroid to tell it your need more hormone. If your on meds and still show a good number it tells me your brain is still asking for more. But this is not a good gage to dosing I have gone hyper on Armour meds taking to much and my TSH was still in range. But I have a pituitary problem and this has a lot to do with it. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...> > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:44 PM > It can be measured, but its value > falls to meaninglessness (if that's a > word). > > > > And doctors get scared when it falls to zero, as if that > actually means > anything. TSH is about thyroid; that's it. > > > > > > > > Be well! > > Regards, > > > Crisler, DO > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > The information contained in this message is intended only > for the personal > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and > is protected by > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not > the intended > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have > received this > document in error and that any review, dissemination, > distribution, or > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and > delete the > original message. We would certainly do the same for you. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Thanks for the response Dr. . She claims that if it falls too low it can cause heart rhythm problems. I was under the same impression as Phil that if you are on T4 and T3, TSH will naturally fall because there is no need to send out more TSH because there is plenty of T4/T3. If I can't get some decent answers on Tuesday with my appointment I am going to look for another doctor. She insists that I have to come into the office for the shots and I was traveling and ended up missing a week. I am also supposed to see one of the top Pituitary guys in the country (Isaac Goodrich) to see if there is anything they can do about the adenoma, which may be causing the elevated IGF-1 levels. Joe > > It can be measured, but its value falls to meaninglessness (if that's a > word). > > > > And doctors get scared when it falls to zero, as if that actually means > anything. TSH is about thyroid; that's it. > > > > > > > > Be well! > > Regards, > > > Crisler, DO > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this > document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the > original message. We would certainly do the same for you. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Phil: I agree with you. Everything I've read confirms what you say. She indicated that low TSH can cause heart rhythm problems. I have not seen this anywhere. So after 1 full year of T shots and thyroid medication, here is what I have to show for it: I am now on 2 blood pressure meds for high blood pressure that I didn't have before. My blood is thickened and I have to go once a month to get blood drawn. I took you advice and take 2 81mg baby aspirins a day to combat that. I feel no better than I did a year ago. I am still 40 pounds over weight and can't lose weight no matter what I do. I am exhausted all the time again (this came back about 2 months ago). I have no energy to go to the gym, but even when I was, I was doing 40 minutes of cardio 3 times a week and still no weight loss. So after a lot of tests, shots, meds, I am no better off than I was a year ago. Actually it's been 3 years since this started. BTW, I am on 100mcg of synthroid, and 150mg a week T shots. I am on simvistatin for cholesterol, 2 hb meds, omeprazole for acid reflux, 2 aspirin a day plus 5000UI of Vitamin D, a B-Complex and 1200mg of Omega 3. Someone mentioned ferritin. My Serum Iron was high but my ferritin was below the low end of the range, but no one seems to be interested in treating that. On top of all this I am taking care of my terminally ill father in our home, which just adds to the exhaustion. If I didn't have a deep faith in the Lord, I don't know how I would make it through the day... Thanks to all those who responded. I really appreciate the feedback and guidance. Regards, Joe > > > From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...> > > Subject: Re: Weird Results > > > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:44 PM > > It can be measured, but its value > > falls to meaninglessness (if that's a > > word). > > > > > > > > And doctors get scared when it falls to zero, as if that > > actually means > > anything. TSH is about thyroid; that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be well! > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Crisler, DO > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > > > The information contained in this message is intended only > > for the personal > > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and > > is protected by > > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not > > the intended > > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have > > received this > > document in error and that any review, dissemination, > > distribution, or > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have > > received this > > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and > > delete the > > original message. We would certainly do the same for you. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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