Re: Re: Update - There is hope if you're persistent

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Great Jeff you guys keep posting how good your doing men here need to read this.

Thanks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tendertendon <tendertendon@...>

> Subject: Re: Update - There is hope if you're persistent

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 11:39 AM

> Congratulations Joe! I'm in the exact

> same boat, being diagnosed over 3 years ago and never

> finding the " right " doctor. Depression was taking over my

> life. I finally found a doc that actually listens and is

> willing to let me dose when/how much I want based on how I

> feel. With the help of Phil and everyone else one this

> group, I'm finally making progress. I feel energetic, my

> libido is back and I have woke up with wood for the past 3

> mornings. I also get wood for no reason in the middle of the

> night and randomly throughout the day. This hasn't happened

> to me in 15+ years.

>

> I am on the following schedule: 100mg T injection-1x/week,

> 250IU HCG injection-2x/week, .25mg Anastrozole-2x/week. It

> will be a couple of months until my next test, so I don't

> know where my levels are at right now. Wherever they are,

> I'm very happy with them. Even though I feel fantastic, I'm

> doubtful my levels are ideal, so things may get even

> better!

>

> Jeff

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have no idea what " normal is in my personal health, however I wish you

continued good health.

Re: Update - There is hope if you're persistent

> I haven't posted in awhile and just wanted to give everyone an

> update. I have been struggling for over 4 years with low T and I

> can FINALLY report that I am back to normal.

Hi There,

Well Happy Happy Joy Joy!

> When I first started the T injections, I was getting MONSTER shot > of 200mg

a week.

200mg a WEEK?! I misread that at first thinking you were getting 200mg every 2

weeks... not uncommon but very " old school "

I bet the needle was like a 22g too! :-}

I know I went almost immediately to 1 " 25g myself...

and since Phil said he'd switched to the little insulin syringes like he used

for HCG I gave it a try and it WORKED... so now I'm using up the last of my 25g

spikes and going to to 1cc 29g insulin syringes... the dose would fit in the

1/2cc syringe... but it takes so long for it pull the dose through that little

needle even with the plunger pulled ALL the way back I get the bigger syringes

just to make it easier to hold onto.

but I bet you felt like superman for at least a while! ;-}

(until all the side affects of taking that much T at once started)

> I am also one of those folks whose blood thickens with T

unfortunately pretty common it seems... may be as much an issue as a problem

with us just getting older as much as the test... think of all the people taking

a little aspirin a day that aren't on T... enough of a demand you can get

" adult " (i.e. non flavoured) 81mg aspirins in virtually every

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Jbbooks1901,

Thanks great post I am in a lot of pain from Statin Drug damage. I tried

walking only for 2 min.'s at a time for a total of 15 min.'s yesterday and today

I can't take the pain standing up or walking. The dam pain pills don't even

help. The pain is so bad I break out in a sweat. My wife keeps trying to tell

me it's my Thyroid meds are to strong. Can't win for losing Dr. keeps telling

me I need to exercise the more I try I feel the more damage I am doing to my

muscles.

The pain pills that did not give me bad sides are Darvocet but the FDA pulled it

so I tried Ultram working my way up to 100 mgs 3x's /day the sides got real bad

and it was not much help with the pain.

I don't know how you did it all them yrs. with your pain I can't take much more

of this.

I was on vicodin 2 yrs ago when I got out of the hosp. from having Heart Bypass

Surgery I was put in a coma 13 weeks and had a big huge bed sore. I did not

want to go back on the vicodin it was very hard to come off it. Yet now I back

on it 2x's / day yet when I was on it for the bed sore I took it 3x's/day. I

called my Dr. about this this morning all this pain I am in is eating up my

Hormones meds.

When I got out of the hosp. two yrs. ago they put me on Statin Drugs being in a

coma I never got my legs back now we know why it was the Statin Drugs.

I am not sure witch of these I have but I am sure I have one of them.

================================

Are statins bad for the muscles?

Once again I will present the evidence-based data, but first, some definitions:

Myalgia is a non-specific common complaint of muscle ache and there are no

abnormalities of the muscle enzyme CPK or CK on a blood test. Myalgia has rarely

been examined in clinical trials and it is thought that some type of muscle

aches can occur in up to 30% of patients on statins. Unfortunately, many of

these patients start a vigorous exercise program at the time they start their

statin because they decide it is to “get in shape†and one doesn’t know

where the orgin of the muscle ache is from. There are many other causes of

myalgias too. Statin muscle pain typically occurs in the proximal muscle

groups(closer to the trunk of the body) and also lower back. Statin-induced

myalgias have occurred up to 3 years after starting a statin.

Myopathy has been used to refer to all muscle complaints or CK elevations more

than 10 times the upper limits of normal with or without associated muscle

symptoms. Myositis has been defined as muscle symptoms with increased CK levels.

This term implies muscle inflammation but this appears to be a secondary event

associated with the healing process.

Rhabdomyolysis, by strict definition exists whenever there is evidence of muscle

damage, such as a mildly elevated CK level but is used clinically to refer to

severe muscle damage and is usually associated with kidney dysfunction.

The Muscle Expert Panel of the Statin Safety Task Force believes believes that

because of all this confusion about terms, a new format should be made as

follows:

Myopathy should be used as a general term for all muscle problems.

Symptomatic Myopathy should be used to refer to muscle pain (myalgias),

weakness, and cramps.

Asymptomatic Myopathy should be used to refer to CK (enzyme) elevations without

any symptoms.

Rhabdomyolysis should be used to refer to any evidence of muscle cell

destruction with resulting change of kidney function.

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I also take Cialis for my heart 5 mgs / day yet my drug care plain stopped

paying of it.

I have a lot of 20 mgs pills that I cut into 3 parts that will last me a good

time. I looked for Cialis at the ADC and could not find it. So the name to

look for isadcirca.

This is the name of the pain med Vicodin/Lortab/Acetaminophen/Hydrocodone

500mg/5mg PO Tab is this what your on and can one take this 3x's /day.

To add to all this it looks like in Feb. I need to find a new Dr.

My yr. is ending in a mess.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...>

> Subject: Re: Update - There is hope if you're persistent

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 2:16 AM

>

> > I haven't posted in awhile and just wanted to give

> everyone an

> > update.  I have been struggling for over 4 years

> with low T and I

> > can FINALLY report that I am back to normal.

>

> Hi There,

>

> Well Happy Happy Joy Joy!

>

> > When I first started the T injections, I was getting

> MONSTER shot > of 200mg a week.

>

> 200mg a WEEK?! I misread that at first thinking you were

> getting 200mg every 2 weeks... not uncommon but very " old

> school "

>

> I bet the needle was like a 22g too! :-}

>

> I know I went almost immediately to 1 " 25g myself...

>

> and since Phil said he'd switched to the little insulin

> syringes like he used for HCG I gave it a try and it

> WORKED... so now I'm using up the last of my 25g spikes and

> going to to 1cc 29g insulin syringes... the dose would fit

> in the 1/2cc syringe... but it takes so long for it pull the

> dose through that little needle  even with the plunger

> pulled ALL the way back I get the bigger syringes just to

> make it easier to hold onto.

>

> but I bet you felt like superman for at least a while! ;-}

> (until all the side affects of taking that much T at once

> started)

>

> >  I am also one of those folks whose blood

> thickens with T

>

> unfortunately pretty common it seems... may be as much an

> issue as a problem with us just getting older as much as the

> test... think of all the people taking a little aspirin a

> day that aren't on T... enough of a demand you can get

> " adult " (i.e. non flavoured) 81mg aspirins in virtually

> every brand... including enteric coated (which for some odd

> reason is actually harder on my digestive tract than the

> regular)

>

> > I take crestor for cholesterol and for the first time

> in YEARS my

> > HDL is in range

>

> I'm on crestor too... and it's worked wonders on my

> cholesterol levels -and- ratios too... something lipitor

> didn't do much for.

>

> > The bottom line is that you really have to be

> persistent with

> > doctors and educate yourself.  As Phil and others

> have said many

> > times, most doctors don't know anything about treating

> low T other

> > than what the drug companies tell them.

>

> sadly true...

>

> I'm lucky in that I've got a doc that works WITH me and

> doesn't freak out when I come in with some printout from

> somewhere... before my disability (more or less unrelated to

> T levels etc... I was run over and have some pretty serious

> chronic pain issues... and he doesn't try to limit me so bad

> I'm in pain all the time.... -and- worried I'll run out...

> so he lets me have enough so that I can keep spare FULL

> SEALED 100 COUNT BOTTLES of all my schedule pain meds (in 2

> houses... got remarried and with the housing market as it is

> we've got 2 houses)... plus the bottles I'm actually

> using... he used to have me bring in the bottles (had signs

> up in the office and stuff) but doesn't anymore... I guess

> he and his nurse got " tired " of me bringing in my current

> bottles (I've never had a whole bottle of roxicodone or

> klonopin... but I've never " run out " either... so it's

> always the " current bottle " ... but there's some at each

> house... it's what my oldest son calls my " nuclear option "

> for pain)... and then 2 (each) still sealed 100 count

> bottles of 5mg vicodin, 7.5mg vicodin, 10mg lortab, and

> 350mg Somas, that were the " spares " just in case... made me

> feel so much better knowing that if something horrible

> happened (like while trying to shake out a couple lortab and

> a soma at 4am shaking in horrible pain (if you know what

> sciatica is you can relate to those JOLTS of pain... or just

> imagine getting hit in the testes with a baseball bat every

> minute or so for hours) and accidentally dumping a whole

> bottle down the toilet) I worked for the IT Department of

> the State Medical School... so I know where to go to look

> for stuff... and he doesn't freak... actually seems to read

> the stuff later because of comments he's made about things

> in the journal article or whatever later...

>

> he knows I prefer a mixed testosterone blend like

> Sustanon... which I guess I could get from a compounding

> pharmacy... because I seem to be more " level " as the

> different esters release at different rates... (which is the

> whole idea behind sustanon) and knows I just order sustanon

> from an international pharmacy and use it half and half with

> the cypionate he prescribes (so the total dose is what he

> (and the labs) say I should do... it's just not all

> cypionate and there's no roller-coaster effect.

>

> he knows that because my insurance won't cover squat toward

> " real " US arimidex even with pre-approval (they've got

> issues with things that are brand name only in the US (like

> arimidex, cialis/adcirca, ultram-er, etc) and are expensive)

> I order it from All Day Chemist... and since he's had me

> show him the website I think he may recommend it to other

> patients in similar insurance situations....

>

> and under my weirdo insurance even with pre-approval (which

> is a pain and has to be done every month) to get cialis (aka

> adcirca) for my heart.... so I buy it from ADC too and cut

> the pills into 1/4s to get my little daily dose... it's FAR

> FAR cheaper... the insurance only covers like 10% of the

> grossly overpriced US price for me...

>

> though if you're getting cialis/adcirca for your heart and

> going international because of the price despite a

> prescription hit their website (www.cialis.com) and get a

> coupon good for a month's dosing of every day cialis...

> saves you the trouble of cutting those oddly shaped

> tablets... which are probably shaped that way ON PURPOSE to

> make them hard to cut accurately.

>

> > as you lose weight, you need to have your meds

> adjusted.

>

> I know I lost a lot of weight when I went on Test... then

> started gaining weight... lost fat gained muscle... but it

> makes sense that some meds doses would have to be changed...

> you might have lost 20% or more so there's just less of

> you!

>

> > Hope you all had a wonderful holiday season!

>

> for real.

>

> happy happy merry merry!

>

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