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> Hello again Bee, Thanks for your quick response!

==>You are welcome.

>

> You have cleared up my many questions, but I have just one more...

> I've been on and off the candida diet for about 6 years already,

andvolleying between sick and healthy over the years. So I'm not

sure how to calculate long it will take until I'm cured. Does the

> one-month-per-year of being sick still apply?

==>Yes, it takes one month of natural healing for each year you've

been unwell, but it starts when you are totally on my diet &

supplements, not before, and it depends upon how well you stick to

the program and if any other stresses interfere, etc.

>

> My die-off reaction on this diet was minimal (a dull headache and

some abdominal discomfort). I had a much, much stronger die-off when

I started the coconut oil back in June (I was in bed for 2 days).

I know I may be getting ahead of myself, but I work well when I

have a goal to aim for. Is there a way to know that you're cured?

==>I knew I was cured when my vaginal yeast infection cleared up,

because it seemed to be the first candida symptom I got 25 years

before, and it was the last to go after 2 1/2 years on the program.

Knowing is very individual.

> How do I know when I'm ready to start introducing new foods? I'm

ready to do this diet for however long (months, years). It will just

be an easier pill to swallow if I have some idea of what to expect.

==>You should never return to a nutrient devoid diet. Only

nutrients required by your body will maintain health for life. It's

not like you'll cure candida and never get it again; it certainly

can come back again and again. I got it back after not having it

for 18 years due to overwork and tremendous stresses.

>

> Maybe feedback from other members of this wonderful group would

help?? Thanks again for everything!

==>You are getting way ahead of yourself for sure.

Bee

P.S. Would you please trim your messages - see our Candida Group

Info Folder. Thanks a bunch.

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Hello Gentlemen,I just found this group and I'm glad I did.  I'm confused and a

little disturbed too.  I was just diagnosed with Hypogonadism and for me it was

out of the blue.  I'm 80 years old and I've been around the block with health

issues but this is all new to me.  I have always taken good care of myself and I

guess my age is catching up with me.  12 years ago I had Prostate Cancer and had

successful surgery.  My prostate was removed and all traces of cancer with it.

Six years ago I had four stents put in a main coronary artery and have had no

problems since.  So, essentially I'm in good health with a few repairs and

patches.  Now recent tests show my Testosterone reading at 147 which is pretty

low.  Yes, I have all the symptoms like fatigue and feeling punk and low libido,

but hey, I'm 80, not 20.  Here's my problem.  My doc wants me to start with T

therapy, specifically T injections.  My problem is that Prostate Cancer feeds on

Testosterone.  The Cancer is gone but how can we be sure?  T therapy creates

Hypocythemia, thickening of the blood, and I have stents in my coronary artery.

 There are two potential problems, possible clogging of arteries and possible

recurrence of Prostate Cancer.  My Cardiologist says " don't do it " and my

Urologist says " do you really want to do this? " while my Internist says " It's

safe, don't worry, you need this " .  I've read too that low testosterone is an

invitation to heart attacks anyway....what do I do?  T Propionate injections and

walk on thin ice or do nothing and hope my heart holds up?  You guys have been

there....what do you think?

Exhooligan

 

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Hello Exhooligan,

My father is 84 and recently went on a 4-month trial with testosterone. He was

suffering from extreme fatigue and irritability. I pushed him to get tested and

his numbers can back low. The treatments got his levels into the high normal

range. His total T was over 1000 at one point.

But her really didn't feel much better. At one point, he told me that the only

change was that his beard was growing more thickly. His energy level did not

change at all. Neither did his mood or his sex life.

I mentioned it to my urologist. He told me that, although one would expect men

in their 70's and 80's to love testosterone, it turns out not to be that

effective for men of that age. He said T tends to work best for men in their

40s and 50s. Go figure.

I say all this not to discourage you but to suggest that there may not be as big

an upside as you might think.

That said, I think the risks are relatively low. Testosterone probably won't

hurt you. Your prostate is gone, so you won't be getting prostate cancer. Try

it if you like, and keep your expectations reasonable. Maybe you'll be

pleasantly surprised.

CylonHippy

>

> Hello Gentlemen,I just found this group and I'm glad I did.  I'm confused and

a little disturbed too.  I was just diagnosed with Hypogonadism and for me it

was out of the blue.  I'm 80 years old and I've been around the block with

health issues but this is all new to me.  I have always taken good care of

myself and I guess my age is catching up with me.  12 years ago I had Prostate

Cancer and had successful surgery.  My prostate was removed and all traces of

cancer with it. Six years ago I had four stents put in a main coronary artery

and have had no problems since.  So, essentially I'm in good health with a few

repairs and patches.  Now recent tests show my Testosterone reading at 147 which

is pretty low.  Yes, I have all the symptoms like fatigue and feeling punk and

low libido, but hey, I'm 80, not 20.  Here's my problem.  My doc wants me to

start with T therapy, specifically T injections.  My problem is that Prostate

Cancer feeds on

> Testosterone.  The Cancer is gone but how can we be sure?  T therapy creates

Hypocythemia, thickening of the blood, and I have stents in my coronary artery.

 There are two potential problems, possible clogging of arteries and possible

recurrence of Prostate Cancer.  My Cardiologist says " don't do it " and my

Urologist says " do you really want to do this? " while my Internist says " It's

safe, don't worry, you need this " .  I've read too that low testosterone is an

invitation to heart attacks anyway....what do I do?  T Propionate injections and

walk on thin ice or do nothing and hope my heart holds up?  You guys have been

there....what do you think?

> Exhooligan

>  

>

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Medical opinion about whether high testosterone or high estrogen sparks prostate

cancer is slowly changing. More doctors are tending to believe estrogen is the

culprit. After all, men in their 20's with high T don't often get prostate

cancer. It's later in life when T drops and E peaks that prostate cancer rears

it's ugly head.

Since you no longer have a prostate I don't see how it could become cancerous

again.

HRT with Testosterone will indeed increase red blood cells, hemoglobin,

hematocrit, RDW and all related measurements. I try to donate blood 4 or more

times a year to combat that.

My T levels were 150 three years ago at age 58. I felt like I was 80! Since

you actually are 80, you have to ask yourself how good you need to feel. I found

myself nodding off and going to sleep in the late afternoon even though I got a

good night's sleep. I was pre-diabetic and headed for metabolic syndrome and all

that implies.

Although I was overweight, I didn't have the energy to exercise very much. Life

was a struggle, like a was weighed down or slogging through mud.

Three years later I've lost fat, gained muscle and I'm pretty sure my bones are

stronger. My glucose level is 90 instead of the pre-diabetic 110 it was. In

fact all my bloodwork is in the normal range now.

Yes, there is some risk with the stents and " thick blood " , but that can be

monitored, and risk assessed. The same with PSA and other measurable things.

Admittedly, it's a bit of a gamble. In the final analysis it's quality of life

versus quantity of life. Would you rather live to be 100 in a semi invalid

state, or have 10 years of relatively vigorous life?

My doctor's analysis is very simple.... He tests everything he can and if a

treatment is available that can move a parameter in the direction of normal, he

tries it:

Cholesterol High - use Liptor

Blood Pressure High - take Benicar HCT.

Blood Glucose creeping higher - diet and exercise.

Low Testosterone - add testosterone cypionate injections.

My other doctor at the Veteran's Administration saw the " thick blood " problem

and wanted me to quit the " T " . I ignored his advice because the regular

donation of blood, put everything in the normal range.

I'm certain that if I stopped the T, my metabolism would decrease and with it my

energy, and my weight, blood pressure and glucose would increase.

I think we are on the verge of a breakthrough in geriatrics. One of the

questions that needs to be asked: " Do our hormones decrease because of age, or

do we age because we lose our hormones? " .

Three years ago, at age 58 I felt at least a decade older, now I feel a decade

younger (if not more).

Everything in life comes with some risk. I'm willing to accept the small risk

that comes with HRT, because each and every day is better since I started HRT.

Randy Hoops

>

> Hello Gentlemen,I just found this group and I'm glad I did.  I'm confused and

a little disturbed too.  I was just diagnosed with Hypogonadism and for me it

was out of the blue.  I'm 80 years old and I've been around the block with

health issues but this is all new to me.  I have always taken good care of

myself and I guess my age is catching up with me.  12 years ago I had Prostate

Cancer and had successful surgery.  My prostate was removed and all traces of

cancer with it. Six years ago I had four stents put in a main coronary artery

and have had no problems since.  So, essentially I'm in good health with a few

repairs and patches.  Now recent tests show my Testosterone reading at 147 which

is pretty low.  Yes, I have all the symptoms like fatigue and feeling punk and

low libido, but hey, I'm 80, not 20.  Here's my problem.  My doc wants me to

start with T therapy, specifically T injections.  My problem is that Prostate

Cancer feeds on

> Testosterone.  The Cancer is gone but how can we be sure?  T therapy creates

Hypocythemia, thickening of the blood, and I have stents in my coronary artery.

 There are two potential problems, possible clogging of arteries and possible

recurrence of Prostate Cancer.  My Cardiologist says " don't do it " and my

Urologist says " do you really want to do this? " while my Internist says " It's

safe, don't worry, you need this " .  I've read too that low testosterone is an

invitation to heart attacks anyway....what do I do?  T Propionate injections and

walk on thin ice or do nothing and hope my heart holds up?  You guys have been

there....what do you think?

> Exhooligan

>  

>

>

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Hi Exhooligan,

I just had heart bypass surgery a year ago last Nov. I had two 99% blockages it

all went bad. I got a bad infection in the wire holding my sterm together. To

make a long story shot I had to be opened up 5 x's and I was put in a coma for

13 weeks because each time they open me up I was on a blood thinner so the had

to leave me open until the thinner meds were out of my body.

I have been on TRT 29 yrs now never had high Chol. in my life. Yet I was put on

Statin Drugs and from the first week on them I had sore joints and mucles.

When I came too from the coma I need to learn how to walk again. Yet being put

on them Statin drugs this sides were doing in my leg muscles and hip and back

joints. Now today I can't walk it happen about 4 weeks ago now they listened to

me and took me off the Statin Drugs. The Statin Drugs drove my CoQ10 emzine

levels into the ground. So if you on them and have joint and muscle pain keep

this in mind it's a big side effect that Dr.'s don't listen too.

As for you prostate cancer and going on TRT we have many men on TRT that had

this cancer and testis cancer. As long as your PSI labs are good your good.

Yes low Testosterone levels are not good for your body brain or heart.

You also might be feeling like crap because of higher levels of Estraidol get

this checked before you go on TRT is you do.

Most men that go on TRT try the gels first Androgel or Testim you take a shower

every morning then put the gel on your upper arms and shoulders every morning

this keep you levels like your body dose.

Shots are good but most Dr.'s try to give them to men every 2 weeks this is not

good it's old and it's a bigger shot.

I am on Test C shots I do mine every 3 days I shoot into my thigh doing this

keep my Estradiol levels down and helps keep my blood thinner.

We have a links and files section here full of good info about all this go there

and read up on it. So you can make up your mind.

I feel at your age it's more about quitly of life. Men feel like crap with

levels as low as yours.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Exhooligan <exhooligan@...>

> Subject: A new member

>

> Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 9:21 PM

> Hello Gentlemen,I just found this

> group and I'm glad I did.  I'm confused and a little

> disturbed too.  I was just diagnosed with Hypogonadism and

> for me it was out of the blue.  I'm 80 years old and I've

> been around the block with health issues but this is all new

> to me.  I have always taken good care of myself and I guess

> my age is catching up with me.  12 years ago I had Prostate

> Cancer and had successful surgery.  My prostate was removed

> and all traces of cancer with it. Six years ago I had four

> stents put in a main coronary artery and have had no

> problems since.  So, essentially I'm in good health with a

> few repairs and patches.  Now recent tests show my

> Testosterone reading at 147 which is pretty low.  Yes, I

> have all the symptoms like fatigue and feeling punk and low

> libido, but hey, I'm 80, not 20.  Here's my problem.  My

> doc wants me to start with T therapy, specifically T

> injections.  My problem is that Prostate Cancer feeds on

> Testosterone.  The Cancer is gone but how can we be sure?

>  T therapy creates Hypocythemia, thickening of the blood,

> and I have stents in my coronary artery.  There are two

> potential problems, possible clogging of arteries and

> possible recurrence of Prostate Cancer.  My Cardiologist

> says " don't do it " and my Urologist says " do you really want

> to do this? " while my Internist says " It's safe, don't

> worry, you need this " .  I've read too that low testosterone

> is an invitation to heart attacks anyway....what do I do?

>  T Propionate injections and walk on thin ice or do nothing

> and hope my heart holds up?  You guys have been

> there....what do you think?

> Exhooligan

>  

>

>

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Men that age do very good on Testosterone but Dr.'s need to test there Estradiol

the older men get the higher there levels of estradiol can go up and this is

what undose all the good of TRT. We have a member here has not posted for some

time in his 80,s

Roy him and his wife still were having sex. He got a problem some yrs back and

was using a penis pump to keep having sex with his wife.

He got his T levels test went on TRT and felt like crap I told him to test his

Estradiol levels he was over the top of the range. He got his levels down and

was able to have sex with out using a penis pump.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@...>

> Subject: Re: A new member

>

> Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 10:13 PM

> Hello Exhooligan,

>

> My father is 84 and recently went on a 4-month trial with

> testosterone.  He was suffering from extreme fatigue

> and irritability.  I pushed him to get tested and his

> numbers can back low.  The treatments got his levels

> into the high normal range.  His total T was over 1000

> at one point.

>

> But her really didn't feel much better.  At one point,

> he told me that the only change was that his beard was

> growing more thickly.  His energy level did not change

> at all.  Neither did his mood or his sex life.

>

> I mentioned it to my urologist.  He told me that,

> although one would expect men in their 70's and 80's to love

> testosterone, it turns out not to be that effective for men

> of that age.  He said T tends to work best for men in

> their 40s and 50s.  Go figure.

>

> I say all this not to discourage you but to suggest that

> there may not be as big an upside as you might think.

>

> That said, I think the risks are relatively low. 

> Testosterone probably won't hurt you.  Your prostate is

> gone, so you won't be getting prostate cancer.  Try it

> if you like, and keep your expectations reasonable. 

> Maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised.

>

> CylonHippy

>

>

> >

> > Hello Gentlemen,I just found this group and I'm glad I

> did.  I'm confused and a little disturbed too.  I was just

> diagnosed with Hypogonadism and for me it was out of the

> blue.  I'm 80 years old and I've been around the block with

> health issues but this is all new to me.  I have always

> taken good care of myself and I guess my age is catching up

> with me.  12 years ago I had Prostate Cancer and had

> successful surgery.  My prostate was removed and all traces

> of cancer with it. Six years ago I had four stents put in a

> main coronary artery and have had no problems since.  So,

> essentially I'm in good health with a few repairs and

> patches.  Now recent tests show my Testosterone reading at

> 147 which is pretty low.  Yes, I have all the symptoms like

> fatigue and feeling punk and low libido, but hey, I'm 80,

> not 20.  Here's my problem.  My doc wants me to start with

> T therapy, specifically T injections.  My problem is that

> Prostate Cancer feeds on

> >  Testosterone.  The Cancer is gone but how can

> we be sure?  T therapy creates Hypocythemia, thickening of

> the blood, and I have stents in my coronary artery.  There

> are two potential problems, possible clogging of arteries

> and possible recurrence of Prostate Cancer.  My

> Cardiologist says " don't do it " and my Urologist says " do

> you really want to do this? " while my Internist says " It's

> safe, don't worry, you need this " .  I've read too that low

> testosterone is an invitation to heart attacks

> anyway....what do I do?  T Propionate injections and walk

> on thin ice or do nothing and hope my heart holds up?  You

> guys have been there....what do you think?

> > Exhooligan

> >  

> >

> >

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We have patients that are in your position and as long as your cancer is under

control and your urologist and cancer dr are ok with it then TRT can commenced.

TRT will help your cardiovascular system, and low T will cause you to goto the

grave alot faster as well. You may also may have high igf-1 in the blood but low

in the urine. People with certain metabolic disorders do not metabolize hormones

properly. In older patient one would definietly look at their nutritional status

as well as daily activity as many factors which would look to improve their

quality of life. You may not be able to have strength to brush your teeth on

your own but have seen older guys on TRT be able to do the simply things in life

once again.

>

> Hello Gentlemen,I just found this group and I'm glad I did.  I'm confused and

a little disturbed too.  I was just diagnosed with Hypogonadism and for me it

was out of the blue.  I'm 80 years old and I've been around the block with

health issues but this is all new to me.  I have always taken good care of

myself and I guess my age is catching up with me.  12 years ago I had Prostate

Cancer and had successful surgery.  My prostate was removed and all traces of

cancer with it. Six years ago I had four stents put in a main coronary artery

and have had no problems since.  So, essentially I'm in good health with a few

repairs and patches.  Now recent tests show my Testosterone reading at 147 which

is pretty low.  Yes, I have all the symptoms like fatigue and feeling punk and

low libido, but hey, I'm 80, not 20.  Here's my problem.  My doc wants me to

start with T therapy, specifically T injections.  My problem is that Prostate

Cancer feeds on

> Testosterone.  The Cancer is gone but how can we be sure?  T therapy creates

Hypocythemia, thickening of the blood, and I have stents in my coronary artery.

 There are two potential problems, possible clogging of arteries and possible

recurrence of Prostate Cancer.  My Cardiologist says " don't do it " and my

Urologist says " do you really want to do this? " while my Internist says " It's

safe, don't worry, you need this " .  I've read too that low testosterone is an

invitation to heart attacks anyway....what do I do?  T Propionate injections and

walk on thin ice or do nothing and hope my heart holds up?  You guys have been

there....what do you think?

> Exhooligan

>  

>

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