Re: New Website with Medical Journal References for your Doctor

[Guest guest]

Yes right to many people with slow Adreanls don't need HC meds they need to fix

many other things first. But it's the quick fix they are looking for that gets

them in trouble.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: New Website with Medical Journal References for

your Doctor

>

> Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 10:26 AM

> Thanks Phil.  You are an example

> of someone who is truly hypopituitary.  You NEED

> HC.  Many of these people are not.  They suffer

> from what Dr. no calls non-thyroidal illness, which is

> why they have to use HC and desiccated thyroid in such high

> doses.  And while they might mean well, to extend that

> advice to everyone is, to me, just dangerous.

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: Barb

> <baba@>

> > > > > > > > Subject:

> New

> > > Website with Medical

> > > > > > Journal References for your

> Doctor

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February

> 22, 2011,

> > > 9:15 PM

> > > > > > > > Check out

> TiredThyroid.com, a new

> > > > > > > > website that covers the

> most

> > > common topics

> > > > > > discussed on the

> > > > > > > > forums, with medical

> journal

> > > references to

> > > > > > convince your

> > > > > > > > doctor that " you CAN

> believe what

> > > you read on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > internet! "

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > More info on the rT3

> debate: http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't donate

> blood

> > > more than twice a

> > > > > > year:

> > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't trust

> a TSH to

> > > tell if you're

> > > > > > > > hypothyroid:

> > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/tsh.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dr. M is huge on inflammation. He says that 90% of people's problems stem

from lots of inflammation in their bodies, especially their guts. So, with

his patients, he works very hard to get their guts healed. According to

him, heal your gut and you pretty much can get on anything you want.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:33 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Yes right to many people with slow Adreanls don't need HC meds they need to

> fix many other things first. But it's the quick fix they are looking for

> that gets them in trouble.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Barb <baba@...>

>

> > Subject: Re: New Website with Medical Journal References

> for your Doctor

> >

> > Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 10:26 AM

> > Thanks Phil. You are an example

> > of someone who is truly hypopituitary. You NEED

> > HC. Many of these people are not. They suffer

> > from what Dr. no calls non-thyroidal illness, which is

> > why they have to use HC and desiccated thyroid in such high

> > doses. And while they might mean well, to extend that

> > advice to everyone is, to me, just dangerous.

>

> >

> > Barb

> >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: Barb

> > <baba@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject:

>

> > New

> > > > Website with Medical

> > > > > > > Journal References for your

> > Doctor

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February

> > 22, 2011,

> > > > 9:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > Check out

> > TiredThyroid.com, a new

> > > > > > > > > website that covers the

> > most

> > > > common topics

> > > > > > > discussed on the

> > > > > > > > > forums, with medical

> > journal

> > > > references to

> > > > > > > convince your

> > > > > > > > > doctor that " you CAN

> > believe what

> > > > you read on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > internet! "

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > More info on the rT3

> > debate: http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't donate

> > blood

> > > > more than twice a

> > > > > > > year:

> > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't trust

> > a TSH to

> > > > tell if you're

> > > > > > > > > hypothyroid:

> > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/tsh.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

The only way to tell is trying to come off it. But do it slow 2.5 mgs / week

working back the the night does to the morning. Some people have a problem

doing this they get shaky and sick the there stomach when they are close to

being off it. But all they need to do is give there body more time so I tell

them go back up on that dose hold it for a time week or 2 then try going down

again.

The problems with coming off HC meds one has a problem and they go back up to

there highest dose and try later. All one needs to do is go back up on the

amount they last lowered and hold this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I only know of Dr. no through his

> website, but am

> > > a huge fan. Finally,

> > > > someone who really knows their stuff! Just

> curious,

> > > you're his patient and

> > > > he's ok with T3-only treatment?

> > > >

> > > > Barb

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: Barb

> > > <baba@>

> > > > > > > > > > Subject:

>

> > > New Website with Medical

> > > > > > > > Journal References for

> your

> > > Doctor

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday,

> February

> > > 22, 2011, 9:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Check out

> > > TiredThyroid.com, a new

> > > > > > > > > > website that

> covers the

> > > most common topics

> > > > > > > > discussed on the

> > > > > > > > > > forums, with

> medical

> > > journal references to

> > > > > > > > convince your

> > > > > > > > > > doctor that

> " you CAN

> > > believe what you read on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > internet! "

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > More info on

> the rT3

> > > debate: http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why you

> shouldn't donate

> > > blood more than twice a

> > > > > > > > year:

> > > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why you

> shouldn't trust

> > > a TSH to tell if you're

> > > > > > > > > > hypothyroid:

> > > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/tsh.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â Â -fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

So far I am getting good replys about your new site. Some have very good

things to say about it want me to Thank You for all your work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: New Website with Medical Journal References for

your Doctor

>

> Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:49 AM

> , if you want to email me

> off-list about what you disagree with, I will take it into

> consideration.  I would like to think I am open to

> other ideas.  I am already seeing comments on other

> groups where there is just misinterpretation.  I

> actually go back and look at what I wrote and see that I

> didn't say what they think I said!  For example, in the

> rT3 section, I start out right away by saying that T3-only

> treatment DOES work for some.  My point of the section

> is that many OTHERS have become worse, and they don't

> understand why.  I tried to explain why.

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DH got pre-glaucoma, and so

> did others on

> > > > Val's list, but we were put on

> > > > > > > full moderation after we

> mentioned it. Many

> > > > have complained of the buddha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > belly/weight gain, DH got a

> squamous cell

> > > > skin cancer, some on the list

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > developed diabetes and

> osteoporosis, and

> > > > everyone complains of insomnia.

> > > > > > > Jeffries said it was safe to

> take 20 mg.

> > > > Val's group recommends much

> > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > doses to everyone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Mike

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

The way I read this is the brain makes it's own T3 it's not the same kind of T3

we take it's diff. and this is why we need T4 for the brain.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > , if you want to email me off-list about what

> you disagree with, I

> > will take it into consideration. I would like to think

> I am open to other

> > ideas. I am already seeing comments on other groups

> where there is just

> > misinterpretation. I actually go back and look at what

> I wrote and see that

> > I didn't say what they think I said! For example, in

> the rT3 section, I

> > start out right away by saying that T3-only treatment

> DOES work for some. My

> > point of the section is that many OTHERS have become

> worse, and they don't

> > understand why. I tried to explain why.

> >

> > Barb

> >

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DH got pre-glaucoma, and

> so did others on

> > > > > Val's list, but we were put on

> > > > > > > > full moderation after we

> mentioned it. Many

> > > > > have complained of the buddha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > belly/weight gain, DH

> got a squamous cell

> > > > > skin cancer, some on the list

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > developed diabetes and

> osteoporosis, and

> > > > > everyone complains of insomnia.

> > > > > > > > Jeffries said it was

> safe to take 20 mg.

> > > > > Val's group recommends much

> > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > doses to everyone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been removed]

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. And thank you for all your knowledge. You taught me a lot of the

info in the men's section. So far, people are questioning the rT3 and HC

section, but not the men's section? I got that section right lol?

Barb

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DH got pre-glaucoma, and so

> > did others on

> > > > > Val's list, but we were put on

> > > > > > > > full moderation after we

> > mentioned it. Many

> > > > > have complained of the buddha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > belly/weight gain, DH got a

> > squamous cell

> > > > > skin cancer, some on the list

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > developed diabetes and

> > osteoporosis, and

> > > > > everyone complains of insomnia.

> > > > > > > > Jeffries said it was safe to

> > take 20 mg.

> > > > > Val's group recommends much

> > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > doses to everyone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I don't see anything you need to change.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: New Website with Medical Journal References for

your Doctor

>

> Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 2:04 PM

> Thanks Phil.  And thank you for

> all your knowledge.  You taught me a lot of the info in

> the men's section.  So far, people are questioning the

> rT3 and HC section, but not the men's section? I got that

> section right lol?

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > DH got

> pre-glaucoma, and so

> > > did others on

> > > > > > Val's list, but we were put on

> > > > > > > > > full moderation

> after we

> > > mentioned it. Many

> > > > > > have complained of the buddha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > belly/weight gain,

> DH got a

> > > squamous cell

> > > > > > skin cancer, some on the list

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > developed diabetes

> and

> > > osteoporosis, and

> > > > > > everyone complains of insomnia.

> > > > > > > > > Jeffries said it

> was safe to

> > > take 20 mg.

> > > > > > Val's group recommends much

> > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > doses to everyone.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> this message

> > > have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Mike

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message have

> > > been removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I never quite thought of it that way, Barb. Very good explanation and this

probably helps to explain why T3 doesn't do much for me and T4 is quite

effective.

I posted a link to it and so far two think the RT3 page is interesting and

two agree with it.

-Nigel

On 24 February 2011 11:11, Barb <baba@...> wrote:

>

>

> Dr. no say that the brain and body are in two different compartments

> (think Alzheimer's - no brain, functioning body, or Hawking -

> genius, no functioning body). So your theory makes sense. I was brain-dead

> with low T4; but if I cranked up the T3 to satisfy my brain's requirement,

> my body would have gone hyper with tachycardia by the time my brain had

> enough T3. That's why the brain has its own deiodinase enzymes to convert

> the T4 to T3 up there. It's possible those who can take massive amounts of

> T3 have serious thyroid resistance, so those huge amounts of T3 DON'T send

> them into tachycardia.

>

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

Here is some input from Dr. about your site Barb I think he likes it.

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Dr. Crisler

Lord of the Forum

Join Date Dec 09, 2007

Location East Lansing, MI

Posts 6,239 Rep Power 10

Re: New Thyroid Website with Medical Journal References for your Doctor

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

This I found a great read it was just posted this morning at my H2 forum. I must

say I don't agree with what was said about taking HC meds and the sides that

were taked about.

" The side effects are serious and include osteoporosis [2], glaucoma which can

lead to blindness [3], weight gain and " buddha belly " [4], immune suppression

that can lead to fungal infections and resistance to some cancer treatments

[5,6], cardiovascular disease/ hypertension [7], diabetes [8], insomnia, and

inability to tolerate any stress, which can lead to a fatal adrenal crisis [9]. "

I don't think she read " Safe Uses of Cortisol " by by McK. Jeffries MD if

one is taking a physiological dose of HC this dose not happen.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses/

Here is a copy of the post.

Everyone must read what is said about RT3.

==========================================

Check out TiredThyroid.com, a new website that covers the most common topics

discussed on the forums, with medical journal references to convince your doctor

that " you CAN believe what you read on the internet! "

More info on the rT3 debate: http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html

Why you shouldn't donate blood more than twice a year:

http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

Why you shouldn't trust a TSH to tell if you're hypothyroid:

http://tiredthyroid.com/tsh.html

====================================================================

This part is what Dr. said it's hard to cut and paste.

Barb

Total nonsense. Unbelievable any medical professional would write that.

They need to learn the meaning of the phrase " physiologic dose " . Actually, HC in

the treatment of AF INCREASES immunity.

The proper treatment of AF with HC actually prevents, or treats most of the list

above!

SHEESH.

www.AllThingsMale.com

Any information I may provide does not substitute for a proper medical

evaluation by a medical professional; nor does it constitute doctor/patient

relationship, or liability, in any way.

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1 Hour Ago #5 Dr. Crisler

Lord of the Forum

Join Date Dec 09, 2007

Location East Lansing, MI

Posts 6,239 Rep Power 10 Re: New Thyroid Website with Medical Journal

References for your Doctor

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Great post, Phil. Thanx muchly!

www.AllThingsMale.com

Any information I may provide does not substitute for a proper medical

evaluation by a medical professional; nor does it constitute doctor/patient

relationship, or liability, in any way.

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: Barb

> > <baba@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > New

> > > > Website with Medical

> > > > > > > Journal References for your

> > Doctor

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February

> > 22, 2011,

> > > > 9:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > Check out

> > TiredThyroid.com, a new

> > > > > > > > > website that covers the

> > most

> > > > common topics

> > > > > > > discussed on the

> > > > > > > > > forums, with medical

> > journal

> > > > references to

> > > > > > > convince your

> > > > > > > > > doctor that " you CAN

> > believe what

> > > > you read on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > internet! "

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > More info on the rT3

> > debate: http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't donate

> > blood

> > > > more than twice a

> > > > > > > year:

> > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't trust

> > a TSH to

> > > > tell if you're

> > > > > > > > > hypothyroid:

> > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/tsh.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If he wrote " total nonsense, " then he hated it! But I stand by what I wrote. I

think the problem is the definition of " physiologic dose. " Just like guys here

take 20 mg to 100 mg in their shots at a time, and Armour from 1/2 grain to 12+

grains, how is one to know that 25 mg of HC is an overdose and not physiologic?

There's no meter on us. I have seen every single one of those side effects

posted over and over and over ad nauseum and it just makes me sick that people

don't see what's happening.

There was one woman who would take her husband to the ER every few nights with

high heart rate (150s?) and BP. She had him on an ungodly amount of both HC and

straight T3. Couldn't figure out what's wrong. I think she was told to give him

more sea salt. *sigh*

Barb

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: Barb

> > > <baba@>

> > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > New

> > > > > Website with Medical

> > > > > > > > Journal References for your

> > > Doctor

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February

> > > 22, 2011,

> > > > > 9:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Check out

> > > TiredThyroid.com, a new

> > > > > > > > > > website that covers the

> > > most

> > > > > common topics

> > > > > > > > discussed on the

> > > > > > > > > > forums, with medical

> > > journal

> > > > > references to

> > > > > > > > convince your

> > > > > > > > > > doctor that " you CAN

> > > believe what

> > > > > you read on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > internet! "

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > More info on the rT3

> > > debate: http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't donate

> > > blood

> > > > > more than twice a

> > > > > > > > year:

> > > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why you shouldn't trust

> > > a TSH to

> > > > > tell if you're

> > > > > > > > > > hypothyroid:

> > > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/tsh.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Barb

> > > > > > > > > >

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I should not have posted it here in this cut and paste. He was not saying your

site is total nonsense he was saying this is.

" The side effects are serious and include osteoporosis [2], glaucoma which can

lead to blindness [3], weight gain and “buddha belly†[4], immune

suppression that can lead to fungal infections and resistance to some cancer

treatments [5,6], cardiovascular disease/ hypertension [7], diabetes [8],

insomnia, and inability to tolerate any stress, which can lead to a fatal

adrenal crisis [9]. "

And in his next post he said " Great post, Phil. Thanx muchly! "

Here go read it at his site sorry I should not have posted with a cut and pasted

it looks bad. Go read it your self.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?17269-New-Thyroid-Website-wit\

h-Medical-Journal-References-for-your-Doctor

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: New Website with Medical Journal References for

your Doctor

>

> Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 6:08 PM

> If he wrote " total nonsense, " then he

> hated it!  But I stand by what I wrote.  I think

> the problem is the definition of " physiologic dose. "  

> Just like guys here take 20 mg to 100 mg in their shots at a

> time, and Armour from 1/2 grain to 12+ grains, how is one to

> know that 25 mg of HC is an overdose and not

> physiologic?  There's no meter on us.  I have seen

> every single one of those side effects posted over and over

> and over ad nauseum and it just makes me sick that people

> don't see what's happening.

>

> There was one woman who would take her husband to the ER

> every few nights with high heart rate (150s?) and BP. 

> She had him on an ungodly amount of both HC and straight

> T3.  Couldn't figure out what's wrong. I think she was

> told to give him more sea salt. *sigh*

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From:

> Barb

> > > > <baba@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

>

> > > > New

> > > > > > Website with Medical

> > > > > > > > > Journal References

> for your

> > > > Doctor

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> Tuesday, February

> > > > 22, 2011,

> > > > > > 9:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Check

> out

> > > > TiredThyroid.com, a new

> > > > > > > > > > > website

> that covers the

> > > > most

> > > > > > common topics

> > > > > > > > > discussed on the

> > > > > > > > > > > forums,

> with medical

> > > > journal

> > > > > > references to

> > > > > > > > > convince your

> > > > > > > > > > > doctor

> that " you CAN

> > > > believe what

> > > > > > you read on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> internet! "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> Â

> > > > > > > > > > > More info

> on the rT3

> > > > debate: http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why you

> shouldn't donate

> > > > blood

> > > > > > more than twice a

> > > > > > > > > year:

> > > > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/mens-hormones.html

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why you

> shouldn't trust

> > > > a TSH to

> > > > > > tell if you're

> > > > > > > > > > >

> hypothyroid:

> > > > > > > > > > > http://tiredthyroid.com/tsh.html

> > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Phil, your understanding about thyroid is confuse me.

Basal temp & pulse, to me mind is the most accurate indicator what happens at

cellular level. All " alternative " practitioner agree if it, and all writes about

in their books! How can you say that basal is mess you? Don't your respect Broda

?

Before any thyroid meds with stable 3x temp on 25HC, but with terribly hypo

symptoms:

* my blood showed i am hyper

* 3x temp(drrind) 36.8 - is nearly normal.

* 36.0-2 basal temp and 75 pulse. I trust this marker together with symptoms

I guarantee that you would not went hyper(you said on 3,5grains you was hyper

without knowing it) if you would checked your basal temp & pulse at that time.

Can someone share their basal temps, who are no more hypothyroid?

Antanas

>

> Can I tell you the best way to take and keep track of your temps it's all in

this link. I did this for 2 yrs everyday.

> http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

> You can print out a chart to track your temps don't use Digital thermometers.

I got this one off the web.

> http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> They sell it at WalGreens.

>

> I took my temps after I was up 3 hrs every 3 hrs 3x's/day added them up and

div. by 3 this is my avg.

>

> When I first went on HC meds I keep track of my temps avg. if my temp went up

or down more the 2ths. I knew my body was not yet supported on HC meds and until

my temps became stable I did not start on Thyroid meds.

>

> Then when I started on thyroid meds I started on 45 mgs my temps avg. went up

a little then in about 2 weeks if would fall back some this is when I added more

Armour 15 mgs I kept doing this until I was on 90 mgs this I held this dose for

8 weeks did labs. If my labs were below mid range and I did not feel better I

went up 15 mgs more. And my temps avg. would go up then hold the stating temp I

had was very low 96.8 today it's 98.4 on avg.

>

> I don't mess with my basal temps anymore.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe this link will help but keep in mind taking temps is just a tool not the

last word it's more about how you feel.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/temperature/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: New Website with Medical Journal References for

your Doctor

>

> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 1:13 AM

> Phil, your understanding about

> thyroid is confuse me.

>

> Basal temp & pulse, to me mind is the most accurate

> indicator what happens at cellular level. All " alternative "

> practitioner agree if it, and all writes about in their

> books! How can you say that basal is mess you? Don't your

> respect Broda ?

>

> Before any thyroid meds with stable 3x temp on 25HC, but

> with terribly hypo symptoms:

>

> * my blood showed i am hyper

> * 3x temp(drrind) 36.8 - is nearly normal.

> * 36.0-2 basal temp and 75 pulse. I trust this marker

> together with symptoms

>

> I guarantee that you would not went hyper(you said on

> 3,5grains you was hyper without knowing it) if you would

> checked your basal temp & pulse at that time.

>

> Can someone share their basal temps, who are no more

> hypothyroid?

>

> Antanas

>

>

> >

> > Can I tell you the best way to take and keep track of

> your temps it's all in this link.  I did this for 2 yrs

> everyday.

> > http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

> > You can print out a chart to track your temps don't

> use Digital thermometers.  I got this one off the web.

> > http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> > They sell it at WalGreens.

> >

> > I took my temps after I was up 3 hrs every 3 hrs

> 3x's/day added them up and div. by 3 this is my avg.

> >

> > When I first went on HC meds I keep track of my temps

> avg. if my temp went up or down more the 2ths. I knew my

> body was not yet supported on HC meds and until my temps

> became stable I did not start on Thyroid meds.

> >

> > Then when I started on thyroid meds I started on 45

> mgs my temps avg. went up a little then in about 2 weeks if

> would fall back some this is when I added more Armour 15 mgs

> I kept doing this until I was on 90 mgs this I held this

> dose for 8 weeks did labs.  If my labs were below mid

> range and I did not feel better I went up 15 mgs more. 

> And my temps avg. would go up then hold the stating temp I

> had was very low 96.8 today it's 98.4 on avg.

> >

> > I don't mess with my basal temps anymore.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

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