Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 If you snore at all, you have some level of obstruction. Whether it's clinical sleep apnea is something only a sleep study can determine. Sometimes it takes more than one to get it right. Sleep deprivation can lead to a bunch if issues including low test. If you snore and your insurance will pay for it, it's worth finding out about. I have sleep apnea, and low test. but I'm also hypothyroid (which can cause sleep apnea) So for me it's a chicken or the egg thing, but I'm treating all three. > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg pellets about 3 months ago but test levels are still 250 range. After much research online and talking to a doctor that uses bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I should have at least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My endo didn't like my statement that my test levels are still too low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - 1000 test level was high. He did agree to implant more pellets and made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg pellets but he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he proceeded to talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does he have a valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This sounds like he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys think? > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the energy I've never felt!! > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses bioidentical pellets to discuss with him my situation. He doesn't have a problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > Thanks > Hank > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Thanks. I'm hypothyroid, hypogonadism, hypopituitary, low cortisol, hypo-everything. I had a pituitary tumor that affected my hypothalamus. Was diagnosed with tumor and been on HRT since 1989. My testosterone level has never been above 350 and the doctors keep telling me it's normal. I've just now figured out that I should be feeling better than I do. Guess I haven't complained enough or talked to the right doctors. I made an appointment with the sleep doc that my endo referred me too. It's worth looking into but I just think it's an excuse to not fix my T level because he doesn't know. Thank you Hank > > > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg pellets about 3 months ago but test levels are still 250 range. After much research online and talking to a doctor that uses bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I should have at least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My endo didn't like my statement that my test levels are still too low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - 1000 test level was high. He did agree to implant more pellets and made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg pellets but he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he proceeded to talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does he have a valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This sounds like he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys think? > > > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the energy I've never felt!! > > > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses bioidentical pellets to discuss with him my situation. He doesn't have a problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > > > Thanks > > Hank > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hank I only have one thing to say about Endo's they are not any good for TRT or male hormones. Yet if he will give you 20 75 mg. pellets go for it that is about the right dose. I know a lot of men do great getting 1500 mgs of pellets every 3 months. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > Subject: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:10 PM > Saw my endo doc today to discuss > testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg pellets about 3 > months ago but test levels are still 250 range. After much > research online and talking to a doctor that uses > bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I should have at > least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My endo > didn't like my statement that my test levels are still too > low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - 1000 test > level was high. He did agree to implant more pellets and > made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg pellets but > he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he proceeded to > talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does he have a > valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This sounds like > he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys think? > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the energy I've > never felt!! > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses bioidentical > pellets to discuss with him my situation. He doesn't have a > problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > Thanks > Hank > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 My wife had sleep apnea and there was no way she could put that mask and machine on her face. BCBS will not pay for this they pay to rent it because there are so many people that can't use this machine. When I had heart bypass surgery they put me into a coma for 13 weeks to help me breathe they put this mask on my face even in a coma my wife told me I would rip it off my face. When I came too they kept trying to get me to use it. I asked why they said to help me breathe. I don't have apnea and I tried that dam machine over and over again. I could not sleep using it. My wife fixed her apnea by losing 40 lbs. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Dave <dcbaden@...> > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:32 PM > If you snore at all, you have some > level of obstruction. Whether it's clinical > sleep apnea is something only a sleep study can determine. > Sometimes it takes more than one to get it right. > Sleep deprivation can lead to a bunch if issues including > low test. If you snore and your insurance will pay for > it, it's worth finding out about. > > I have sleep apnea, and low test. but I'm also hypothyroid > (which can cause sleep apnea) So for me it's a chicken or > the egg thing, but I'm treating all three. > > > > > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss testosterone pellets. > He implanted 10 75mg pellets about 3 months ago but test > levels are still 250 range. After much research online and > talking to a doctor that uses bioidentical test pellets, > discovered that I should have at least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of > test pellets. My endo didn't like my statement that my > test levels are still too low and said getting me up to the > range of 800 - 1000 test level was high. He did agree to > implant more pellets and made a statement that we might get > up to 20 75mg pellets but he didn't feel comfortable doing > that. Then he proceeded to talk about sleep apnea. Is this a > cop out or does he have a valid reason to send me to a sleep > test?? This sounds like he doesn't know what to do. > What do you guys think? > > > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the energy > I've never felt!! > > > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses > bioidentical pellets to discuss with him my situation. He > doesn't have a problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > > > Thanks > > Hank > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hey Phil - I'm finding that out about endo's. I went for a 2nd opinion today with a doctor that knows more about hormones and is up on what needs to take place. He happens to be my cousin. He uses the SottoPelle pellets with men and women and has been using them for years. I just recently found out that he worked with T pellets. He implanted 2400mg today using 200mg & 100mg pellets so will see shortly hopefully the benefit. If my endo will still see me, I'll continue to go to him for everything else. I'll report the benefits as soon as I notice a change. Unfortunately, my insurance will probably not cover the pellets but I'll submit the claim and see. Otherwise not to much cost, $700 ever 6 months. About the same as Androgel or injections per year. > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > > Subject: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:10 PM > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss > > testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg pellets about 3 > > months ago but test levels are still 250 range. After much > > research online and talking to a doctor that uses > > bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I should have at > > least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My endo > > didn't like my statement that my test levels are still too > > low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - 1000 test > > level was high. He did agree to implant more pellets and > > made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg pellets but > > he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he proceeded to > > talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does he have a > > valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This sounds like > > he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys think? > > > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the energy I've > > never felt!! > > > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses bioidentical > > pellets to discuss with him my situation. He doesn't have a > > problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > > > Thanks > > Hank > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 My cousin also prescribed Arimidex once a week. > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > > Subject: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:10 PM > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss > > testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg pellets about 3 > > months ago but test levels are still 250 range. After much > > research online and talking to a doctor that uses > > bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I should have at > > least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My endo > > didn't like my statement that my test levels are still too > > low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - 1000 test > > level was high. He did agree to implant more pellets and > > made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg pellets but > > he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he proceeded to > > talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does he have a > > valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This sounds like > > he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys think? > > > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the energy I've > > never felt!! > > > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses bioidentical > > pellets to discuss with him my situation. He doesn't have a > > problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > > > Thanks > > Hank > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 If his Arimidex is 1 mg. a week taking this much at one time is to strong. Better to do .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill every 2 to 3 days. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:30 PM > My cousin also prescribed Arimidex > once a week. > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > > > Subject: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:10 PM > > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss > > > testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg > pellets about 3 > > > months ago but test levels are still 250 range. > After much > > > research online and talking to a doctor that > uses > > > bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I > should have at > > > least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My > endo > > > didn't like my statement that my test levels are > still too > > > low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - > 1000 test > > > level was high. He did agree to implant more > pellets and > > > made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg > pellets but > > > he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he > proceeded to > > > talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does > he have a > > > valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This > sounds like > > > he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys > think? > > > > > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the > energy I've > > > never felt!! > > > > > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses > bioidentical > > > pellets to discuss with him my situation. He > doesn't have a > > > problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > > > > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > > > > > Thanks > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Well I am not sure what kind of pellets he is using I know about SottoPelle they are good but we don't have them in MI. Most of the men I know doing good on pellets get 1500 mgs every 3 months that is 20 75mg pellets. My BCBS would not pay for them and the most a Dr. in my State will give a man is enough to last 4 weeks at the cost of about $500 to $700 each time. The first time I had pellets done it cost me in 2 months over $1500. The if the first time seeing the Dr. his labs and the cost of putting in the pellets and the pellets. He only gave me 8 75 mg pellets this only lasted me a month. And the labs showed me to be crashing after 4 weeks. So no pellets for me and I feel he is over doing this unless they are slower acting then the ones I know about. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:28 PM > Hey Phil - I'm finding that out about > endo's. I went for a 2nd opinion today with a doctor that > knows more about hormones and is up on what needs to take > place. He happens to be my cousin. He uses the SottoPelle > pellets with men and women and has been using them for > years. I just recently found out that he worked with T > pellets. He implanted 2400mg today using 200mg & 100mg > pellets so will see shortly hopefully the benefit. If my > endo will still see me, I'll continue to go to him for > everything else. I'll report the benefits as soon as I > notice a change. > > Unfortunately, my insurance will probably not cover the > pellets but I'll submit the claim and see. Otherwise > not to much cost, $700 ever 6 months. About the same as > Androgel or injections per year. > > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > > > Subject: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:10 PM > > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss > > > testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg > pellets about 3 > > > months ago but test levels are still 250 range. > After much > > > research online and talking to a doctor that > uses > > > bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I > should have at > > > least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My > endo > > > didn't like my statement that my test levels are > still too > > > low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - > 1000 test > > > level was high. He did agree to implant more > pellets and > > > made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg > pellets but > > > he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he > proceeded to > > > talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does > he have a > > > valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This > sounds like > > > he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys > think? > > > > > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the > energy I've > > > never felt!! > > > > > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses > bioidentical > > > pellets to discuss with him my situation. He > doesn't have a > > > problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > > > > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > > > > > Thanks > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 A friend of mine has tried gel, lotions, injections, and pellets... for some years now. He is also of the opinion that injections are the best route, if done frequently enough. But everyone has to just find what is best for him. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:55 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > > > Well I am not sure what kind of pellets he is using I know about SottoPelle > they are good but we don't have them in MI. > > Most of the men I know doing good on pellets get 1500 mgs every 3 months > that is 20 75mg pellets. My BCBS would not pay for them and the most a Dr. > in my State will give a man is enough to last 4 weeks at the cost of about > $500 to $700 each time. > > The first time I had pellets done it cost me in 2 months over $1500. The if > the first time seeing the Dr. his labs and the cost of putting in the > pellets and the pellets. He only gave me 8 75 mg pellets this only lasted me > a month. And the labs showed me to be crashing after 4 weeks. > > So no pellets for me and I feel he is over doing this unless they are > slower acting then the ones I know about. > > > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > < %40> > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:28 PM > > Hey Phil - I'm finding that out about > > endo's. I went for a 2nd opinion today with a doctor that > > knows more about hormones and is up on what needs to take > > place. He happens to be my cousin. He uses the SottoPelle > > pellets with men and women and has been using them for > > years. I just recently found out that he worked with T > > pellets. He implanted 2400mg today using 200mg & 100mg > > pellets so will see shortly hopefully the benefit. If my > > endo will still see me, I'll continue to go to him for > > everything else. I'll report the benefits as soon as I > > notice a change. > > > > Unfortunately, my insurance will probably not cover the > > pellets but I'll submit the claim and see. Otherwise > > not to much cost, $700 ever 6 months. About the same as > > Androgel or injections per year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > > > > Subject: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > < %40> > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:10 PM > > > > Saw my endo doc today to discuss > > > > testosterone pellets. He implanted 10 75mg > > pellets about 3 > > > > months ago but test levels are still 250 range. > > After much > > > > research online and talking to a doctor that > > uses > > > > bioidentical test pellets, discovered that I > > should have at > > > > least 1500 mg to 2000 mg of test pellets. My > > endo > > > > didn't like my statement that my test levels are > > still too > > > > low and said getting me up to the range of 800 - > > 1000 test > > > > level was high. He did agree to implant more > > pellets and > > > > made a statement that we might get up to 20 75mg > > pellets but > > > > he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Then he > > proceeded to > > > > talk about sleep apnea. Is this a cop out or does > > he have a > > > > valid reason to send me to a sleep test?? This > > sounds like > > > > he doesn't know what to do. What do you guys > > think? > > > > > > > > Tired of feeling tired and ready to feel the > > energy I've > > > > never felt!! > > > > > > > > I'm going to see a doctor tomorrow that uses > > bioidentical > > > > pellets to discuss with him my situation. He > > doesn't have a > > > > problem implanting 10 200mg pellets. > > > > > > > > Frustrating!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Yeah it is 1mg a week once a week for the Arimidex. Hank > > If his Arimidex is 1 mg. a week taking this much at one time is to strong. Better to do .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill every 2 to 3 days. > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 The pellets are from Solutions Pharmacy in Tennesse. He wanted to give me enough to last 6 months. $50 a pellet. BCBS of Illinois paid 100% for my first implant of Testopel pellets. But those were done by my endo that's afraid of doing more than 10-12. Will see how it works out with these pellets. I was on injections for 15 yrs and gel for 6 neither was able to get my numbers up but both endo's and I wasn't up on what I needed at the time. My endo suggested pellets but didn't and won't give enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Cut it up take 1/4 .25 mgs every 2 to 3 days this work much better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 5:13 PM > Yeah it is 1mg a week once a week for > the Arimidex. > > Hank > > > > > > If his Arimidex is 1 mg. a week taking this much at > one time is to strong. Better to do .25 mgs or 1/4 of > a pill every 2 to 3 days. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 I have been up on pellets for over 25 yrs and I never heard of them lasting 6 months this must be some thing new or your Dr. is thinking this up in his mind. The highest dose I ever seen used is 1,800 mgs. the guys has TT levels one month after they were put in of 1150 and they lasted him just 3 months when he tested aging at 3 months his levels were below 500. And he felt like crap I just hope you keep track of your levels doing this much over 2000mgs of pellets. Your blood can get to thick and your levels can go to high. One of the best Dr.'s for pellets in the USA the actor Bob Hope use to see him for pellets. Dr. Gambrell He has passed God Bless him but other Dr.'s at his office took over. Ernestnolan a member here seen him he would drive out to Ga. every 4 months and get his pellets. Just do a searh " ernestnolan pellets " and read up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 12:57 AM > The pellets are from Solutions > Pharmacy in Tennesse. He wanted to give me enough to > last 6 months. $50 a pellet. BCBS of Illinois paid 100% for > my first implant of Testopel pellets. But those were done by > my endo that's afraid of doing more than 10-12. Will > see how it works out with these pellets. I was on injections > for 15 yrs and gel for 6 neither was able to get my numbers > up but both endo's and I wasn't up on what I needed at the > time. My endo suggested pellets but didn't and won't give > enough. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Thanks Phil, I'll do that. > > > > > > If his Arimidex is 1 mg. a week taking this much at > > one time is to strong. Better to do .25 mgs or 1/4 of > > a pill every 2 to 3 days. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 I know my doc was thinking about the 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment that I seem to use them up. I think that's one reason he increased dosage. He knows about the blood thickening and will monitor that closely. He is hoping the 200mg pellets will last me 6 months they may not. Will see how long they last. My doc is very knowledgeable and has been using the SottoPelle philosophy and Solutions Pharmacy pellets for many years. I trust him but will make sure to monitor my blood work closely. I'm not sure how many mg he has used with other patients but I know he has changed guys lives with the pellet therapy. I'll do a search on Ernestnolan. Thanks! > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 12:57 AM > > The pellets are from Solutions > > Pharmacy in Tennesse. He wanted to give me enough to > > last 6 months. $50 a pellet. BCBS of Illinois paid 100% for > > my first implant of Testopel pellets. But those were done by > > my endo that's afraid of doing more than 10-12. Will > > see how it works out with these pellets. I was on injections > > for 15 yrs and gel for 6 neither was able to get my numbers > > up but both endo's and I wasn't up on what I needed at the > > time. My endo suggested pellets but didn't and won't give > > enough. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I wish we have a Dr. that did pellets in MI. like your Dr. But we don't the Dr.'s here ripe men off giving just enough pellets to last a month and charge a lot of money for them. Most use the on women and they are getting riped off. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 PM > I know my doc was thinking about the > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment that I seem to use > them up. I think that's one reason he increased dosage. He > knows about the blood thickening and will monitor that > closely. He is hoping the 200mg pellets will last me 6 > months they may not. Will see how long they last. My doc is > very knowledgeable and has been using the SottoPelle > philosophy and Solutions Pharmacy pellets for many years. I > trust him but will make sure to monitor my blood work > closely. I'm not sure how many mg he has used with > other patients but I know he has changed guys lives with the > pellet therapy. > > I'll do a search on Ernestnolan. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@...> > > > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 12:57 AM > > > The pellets are from Solutions > > > Pharmacy in Tennesse. He wanted to give me > enough to > > > last 6 months. $50 a pellet. BCBS of Illinois > paid 100% for > > > my first implant of Testopel pellets. But those > were done by > > > my endo that's afraid of doing more than 10-12. > Will > > > see how it works out with these pellets. I was on > injections > > > for 15 yrs and gel for 6 neither was able to get > my numbers > > > up but both endo's and I wasn't up on what I > needed at the > > > time. My endo suggested pellets but didn't and > won't give > > > enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 The doctor's charge plenty for the visit. Even though there is no charge to me directly, I have requested to self inject which mine agreed. Even if I paid for the test c, it would only be a couple hundred dollars per year. Testosterone is quite cheap, so they jack it up by making you go into the office. On Oct 17, 2010 7:56 AM, " philip georgian " <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I wish we have a Dr. that did pellets in MI. like your Dr. But we don't the Dr.'s here ripe men off giving just enough pellets to last a month and charge a lot of money for them. Most use the on women and they are getting riped off. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... <hank.pace%40att.net>> > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 PM > I know my doc was thinking about the > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment that I seem to us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I guess I have a good Dr. he only charged me $5.00 per shot. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... > <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > > > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 PM > > > > I know my doc was thinking about the > > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment that I seem > to us... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Mine charges me $0 per shot. But just because I am not paying does not mean that somebody isn't. Every office visit is billed. As a matter of principle, I don't care if I am charged of my insurance is charged, I strive to keep costs down. On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 3:59 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > > > I guess I have a good Dr. he only charged me $5.00 per shot. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... <hank.pace%40att.net> > > <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? > > > < %40> > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 PM > > > > > > > I know my doc was thinking about the > > > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment that I seem > > to us... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Well my insurance will not cover shots even flu shots. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... > <hank.pace%40att.net> > > > <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea > really?? > > > > > < %40> > > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > I know my doc was thinking about the > > > > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment > that I seem > > > to us... > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 wow that makes it quite difficult then surley... ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:09:10 AM Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? Â Well my insurance will not cover shots even flu shots. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... > <hank.pace%40att.net> > > > <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sleep apnea > really?? > > > > > < %40> > > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > I know my doc was thinking about the > > > > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment > that I seem > > > to us... > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 But anyone getting a Flu shot is buying into the Big Drug Co.'s hype to get your money. From what I read about all this crap and it's crap more people died from the shot then the Flu last yr. All anyone needs to do to keep from getting the FLU is to supplement there low Vit. D levels. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... > > <hank.pace%40att.net> > > > > <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sleep > apnea > > really?? > > > > > > > < %40> > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know my doc was thinking about the > > > > > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a > comment > > that I seem > > > > to us... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 I proved to myself that echinacea also stimulates the immune system. I was intentionally suppressing my immune system with dexamethasone, and I felt like having a cup of tea. Without thinking about the potential immune system stimulation, I brewed some echinacea tea. Within about 10 minutes of drinking the tea, my immune system kicked in. I never know what to believe when I read about supplements. Now I am a believer in echinacea for immune system stimulation. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > > > But anyone getting a Flu shot is buying into the Big Drug Co.'s hype to get > your money. From what I read about all this crap and it's crap more people > died from the shot then the Flu last yr. All anyone needs to do to keep from > getting the FLU is to supplement there low Vit. D levels. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... <hank.pace%40att.net> > > > <hank.pace%40att.net> > > > > > <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sleep > > apnea > > > really?? > > > > > > < %40> > > > < %40> > > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know my doc was thinking about the > > > > > > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a > > comment > > > that I seem > > > > > to us... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 How can ya tell the immune system kicks in? Sendt fra min iPhone Den 18. okt. 2010 kl. 22.05 skrev Spanky <spankysd@...>: I proved to myself that echinacea also stimulates the immune system. I was intentionally suppressing my immune system with dexamethasone, and I felt like having a cup of tea. Without thinking about the potential immune system stimulation, I brewed some echinacea tea. Within about 10 minutes of drinking the tea, my immune system kicked in. I never know what to believe when I read about supplements. Now I am a believer in echinacea for immune system stimulation. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: But anyone getting a Flu shot is buying into the Big Drug Co.'s hype to get your money. From what I read about all this crap and it's crap more people died from the shot then the Flu last yr. All anyone needs to do to keep from getting the FLU is to supplement there low Vit. D levels. Co-Moderator Phil From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... <hank.pace%40att.net> <hank.pace%40att.net> <hank.pace%40att.net>> Subject: Re: Sleep apnea really?? < %40> < %40> Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 PM I know my doc was thinking about the 10 75mg pellets I had and made a comment that I seem to us... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 I have celiac disease which is an autoimmune response to gluten. I have no problem controlling my gluten intake at home, but when I travel or eat out, then it is not unusual to ingest some, even though I am cautious. In this case, I probably got some soy sauce, or some hydrolyzed wheat protein in a soup. So... when I ingest gluten I know immediately because my breathing gets more difficult, a rash breaks out, and generally massive diarrhea is about to hit me. (sorry to be so graphic). When this happens, I take steroids to suppress the immune reaction, which is unpleasant, but also damages my internal organs. So, I had been on steroids for two days, suppressing my immune system. I drank a cup of echinacea, and I had diarrhea within about 10 minutes. My conclusion is that it stimulated the immune system in my gut. I have never had such a reaction to echinacea alone. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:15 PM, <gibcast@...> wrote: > > > How can ya tell the immune system kicks in? > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > Den 18. okt. 2010 kl. 22.05 skrev Spanky <spankysd@...<spankysd%40gmail.com> > >: > > > I proved to myself that echinacea also stimulates the immune system. I was > intentionally suppressing my immune system with dexamethasone, and I felt > like having a cup of tea. Without thinking about the potential immune > system > stimulation, I brewed some echinacea tea. Within about 10 minutes of > drinking the tea, my immune system kicked in. > > I never know what to believe when I read about supplements. Now I am a > believer in echinacea for immune system stimulation. > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...<pmgamer18%40> > >wrote: > > But anyone getting a Flu shot is buying into the Big Drug Co.'s hype to get > your money. From what I read about all this crap and it's crap more people > died from the shot then the Flu last yr. All anyone needs to do to keep > from > getting the FLU is to supplement there low Vit. D levels. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > From: ttrr93 <hank.pace@... <hank.pace%40att.net> <hank.pace%40att.net > > > <hank.pace%40att.net> > <hank.pace%40att.net>> > > Subject: Re: Sleep > apnea > really?? > < %40> > < %40> > < %40> > Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:07 > PM > > I know my doc was thinking about the > 10 75mg pellets I had and made a > comment > that I seem > to us... > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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