Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:19:57 -0000, you wrote: >I guess i will wait for 3 months. However i have a couple of questions if you dont mind answering. Given what you said about ribs and hip injuries I wouldn't wait. You need to check bone density if you've had breaks. WHile meds can cause low T, if the meds you were taking were for bone breaks it could indicate you'd had low T longer than that and pre-meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 In a message dated 1/27/2010 9:21:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, no_reply writes: > i heard protein stops testosterone growth. > No, dietary protein will not supress testosterone unless you eat it to the exclusion of almost everything else. A high-protein intake is healthy! What is essential for optimal testosterone production--that is often overlooked--is dietary fat. Very low-fat diets are notorious for suppressing testosterone, with very low-fat, low-calorie vegan diets probably the worst of the bunch. Obviously, you also need sufficient calories, and other stuff, like zinc, protein, etc. Forgot if I posted this: Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 2009 Dec 29. Association of vitamin D status with serum androgen levels in men. Wehr E, Pilz S, Boehm BO, März W, Obermayer-Pietsch B. Department of Internal Medicine, Division of Endocrinology and Nuclear Medicine, Medical University Graz, Graz, Austria. AbstractObjective: Studies in rodents indicate a role of vitamin D in malereproduction but the relationship between vitamin D and androgen levelsin men is largely unexplored. We aimed to investigate the associationof 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] levels with testosterone, FAI (freeandrogen index), and SHBG. Moreover, we examined whether androgenlevels show a similar seasonal variation to 25(OH)D. Design: In thiscross-sectional study, 25(OH)D, testosterone, and SHBG levels wereassessed by immunoassay in 2299 men who were routinely referred forcoronary angiography (1997-2000). Measurements: Main outcome measureswere associations of 25(OH)D levels with testosterone, SHBG, and FAI.FAI was calculated as testosterone (nmol/l)/SHBG (nmol/l) x 100.Results: Men with sufficient 25(OH)D levels (>/=30 mug/l) hadsignificantly higher levels of testosterone and FAI and significantlylower levels of SHBG when compared to 25(OH)D insufficient (20-29.9mug/l) and 25(OH)D deficient (<20 mug/l) men (p<0.05 for all). Inlinear regression analyses adjusted for possible confounders, we foundsignificant associations of 25(OH)D levels with testosterone, FAI, andSHBG levels (p<0.05 for all). 25(OH)D, testosterone, and FAI levelsfollowed a similar seasonal pattern with a nadir in March (12.2 mug/l,15.9 nmol/l, and 40.8, respectively) and peak levels in August (23.4mug/l, 18.7 nmol/l, and 49.7, respectively) (p<0.05 for all).Conclusion: Androgen levels and 25(OH)D levels are associated in menand reveal a concordant seasonal variation. Randomized controlledtrials are warranted to evaluate the effect of vitamin D supplementation on androgen levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I don't think so you did good back some yrs ago and I think this is when your pituitary was working better. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: <gibcast@...> > > Subject: Low Testosterone > > " " > < > > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 2:51 PM > > My testo was low in my teens. > > > > It more than doubled on T4 in my early 20s. > > > > IF I indeed have secondary hypopituitarism, is it > possible > > that testo increases at all - like it did when I was > taking > > T4? > > > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 The dr should look at optimizing all hormones. when focusing on one can reveal or throw something else out of wack. By time a person comes to me they have been so thrown our of balance by self medicating or doing monkey see monkey do as they read on internet forums lead by the blind. Every case is individual and not every protocol will be the same. The same priniciple apply but they can be manipulated in endless ways by the DR. Treating the thyroid and adrenals may help a persons t levels but that person has to be 100% committed to giving a good solif 3-6 months to proper sleep, altering lifestyle, changing the way they think and respond to stress. It took me nearly 5 years to achieve it, but once Achieved you will have a greater appreciation for life looking back on saying " what was I thinking at that time " Age is a huge factor in this choice. If you are over 30 I'd say screwit and just look more for the TRT route, but if you want to try it naturally it can and can happen I have seen it first hand but it takes incredible discpline and a good health practioner or consultant that knows there stuff to make it happen. > > > > > From: <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Low Testosterone > > > " " > > < > > > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 2:51 PM > > > My testo was low in my teens. > > > > > > It more than doubled on T4 in my early 20s. > > > > > > IF I indeed have secondary hypopituitarism, is it > > possible > > > that testo increases at all - like it did when I was > > taking > > > T4? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Hello, My name is Jeff and this forum was posted as a good place to get some feedback. I am 38 years old and recently went to the doctor complaining of fatigue and " mental cloudiness " for lack of better words. I have been through extensive blood panels and tests for anemia, etc which have come back negative. As I began to think about other possible causes, I reflected on the fact that, earlier in my life, I had surgery for a testicular tortion which resulted in loss of a testicle. This prompted me to ask my primary physician if I could have my testosterone level tested. She obliged and my result came back at 280 ng/dl . I thought this seemed a little low and my doctor agreed and referred me to an endocronologist. At this point I had been battling extreme fatigue, mucsle/joint ache, and a general feeling of feeling not myself. This included a lack of libido as well. The earliest they could get me in to see my endocronolgist was a month away which seemed like an eternity. I have an uncle who suffers from low testosterone and he begged me to try a small dose of a gel that he used. I tried just a small amount and felt like a different person. My symptoms all but disappeared and my energy level and clearheadedness returned. The endocronologist wanted a second testosterone test taken prior to my appointment and advised that it be done in the morning(my first reading was taken at about 11:30am) I quit using the gel my uncle let me use about 5 days prior to going in to take the second test and during those 5 days I began to feel increasingly worse again. I went in and tested at 8:30am for my second test and it came back at 350ng/dl. I saw that it was a little higher, but from the medical research I had done on my own this reading still seemed somewhat low for my age. I went and saw my endocronologist and she ordered a 3rd test which was done at 7:30am and included free and total testosterone. These results came back at a total testosterone of 383 and free testosterone of .415. I realize that my results fall into the " normal " range in a wide universal scale, but given my symptoms and the fact that the gel I have used intermittently has made such a difference, I am finding it hard to think that a supplement would not help. I am wanting to get a second opinion and was wondering if you have any thoughts. I have only been to one doctor, but the thought of not being able to get a legitimate prescribed treatment is wighing heavily on my mind. Thanks, in advance, for any advice or help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Hi Jeff and Welcome, I need to tell you Endo's are not good Dr.'s for men with low testosterone levels. I feel it was a big mistake for you to try that gel. How much and how long were you using it. You need first to find a good Dr. that sees a lot of men for this problem. Then you need labs to figure out way your levels are low. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read Dr. 's free paper TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you need and why. Going on that gel if you did it say over a week it's now going to be hard to figure out why your low. Adding any kind of Testosterone meds to your body will shut down your body from making it. And stopping the med in most men they stay shut down. Your brain sees the added Testosterone in your blood and slows down sending the LH and FSH message to your Testis and they stop making Testosterone. When you go to Dr. 's site read his FAQ's see if you can get your Family Dr. to work with DR. over the phone to test and treat you. Your Dr. will learn about how to test men for this problem and how to treat it on your dime. You need to find out if your testis are able to make Testosterone if not this is called Primary. If they do work this is called Secondary meaning your Pituitary in your brain is not working right. Men that are Secondary on labs have low T, low LH and FSH with good levels of Estradiol say at about 20 pg/ml. If your labs looked like this you need an MRI on your Pituitary to rule out a tumor. If your Dr. did not test this then your seeing the wrong kind of Dr. If your not Primary or Secondary say you have a low grade infection in your testis and you treat this your levels can come back up. Read this from this link. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553 =================================================== According to the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab, these are the causes of hypogonadism: chronic/systemic illness surgery chemotherapy infections premature aging testicular trauma stress Kleinfelter's syndrome autoimmune damage tobacco and alcohol sleep apnea excessive heat obesity hypercortisolism medications hyperthyroidism malnutrition Co-Moderator Phil > From: JEFFREY <jchoward1@...> > Subject: Low Testosterone > > Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 6:12 PM > Hello, > > My name is Jeff and this forum was posted as a good > place to get some feedback. I am 38 years old and recently > went to the doctor complaining of fatigue and " mental > cloudiness " for lack of better words. I have been through > extensive blood panels and tests for anemia, etc which have > come back negative. As I began to think about other possible > causes, I reflected on the fact that, earlier in my life, I > had surgery for a testicular tortion which resulted in loss > of a testicle. This prompted me to ask my primary physician > if I could have my testosterone level tested. She obliged > and my result came back at 280 ng/dl . I thought this seemed > a little low and my doctor agreed and referred me to an > endocronologist. At this point I had been battling extreme > fatigue, mucsle/joint ache, and a general feeling of feeling > not myself. This included a lack of libido as well. The > earliest they could get me in to see my endocronolgist was a > month away which seemed like an eternity. I have an uncle > who suffers from low testosterone and he begged me to try a > small dose of a gel that he used. I tried just a small > amount and felt like a different person. My symptoms all but > disappeared and my energy level and clearheadedness > returned. The endocronologist wanted a second testosterone > test taken prior to my appointment and advised that it be > done in the morning(my first reading was taken at about > 11:30am) I quit using the gel my uncle let me use about 5 > days prior to going in to take the second test and during > those 5 days I began to feel increasingly worse again. I > went in and tested at 8:30am for my second test and it came > back at 350ng/dl. I saw that it was a little higher, but > from the medical research I had done on my own this reading > still seemed somewhat low for my age. I went and saw my > endocronologist and she ordered a 3rd test which was done at > 7:30am and included free and total testosterone. These > results came back at a total testosterone of 383 and free > testosterone of .415. I realize that my results fall into > the " normal " range in a wide universal scale, but given my > symptoms and the fact that the gel I have used > intermittently has made such a difference, I am finding it > hard to think that a supplement would not help. I am wanting > to get a second opinion and was wondering if you have any > thoughts. I have only been to one doctor, but the thought of > not being able to get a legitimate prescribed treatment is > wighing heavily on my mind. Thanks, in advance, for any > advice or help. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Hi unipanthers43 and Welcome, Your dam Dr. missed the boat you have delayed puberty. I feel so dam bad you had to go though all this crap. When all that was needed was a Good Dr. up on this. And WTF is with putting you on 3.75 grams of Androgel the starting dose is 5 grams. I am sorry but you need to run from this Dr. putting you on this low dose only shut you down I am betting your Testis can make more then the levels you now have at 273 would be higher off the dam low dose of gel. Where do you live we need to find you a good Dr. most men that can't find a good Dr. will dive out of state to see one. There are a few that only need to see you once and do the rest by phone after all TRT is about labs and adjusting meds. Dr. O and Hardasnails are good if you live near them. =================================================== Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and metabolic disorders 610-828-2026 ---------------------------------------------------- Send Hardasnails an Email talk to him tell him I sent you. Or there is Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com Men fly in to see him from all over the world he is about the best of the best on men's hormones. I live in MI. and never see him but he saved my life helping me free on his forum. Your gynecomastia was from low Testosterone and high Estradiol levels you need to check your Estradiol levels and keep them down to about 20 pg/ml of your gynecomastia will grow back. Most men I know on Andorgel need 7.5 to 10 grams to just get there levels into the 500's to 600's and for most men this is still to low to feel good. Men doing shots do there own and the starting dose is 100 mgs every weeks doing every 2 weeks is old and does not work well. Most men do them 2x's / wk I do mine every 3 days and I do HCG to keep my testis working. Before you try more T get your sperm tested if it's good have some frozen for a back up in case you want kids later in life. How your feeling now and getting leveled off better your whole life is going to change. Your going to have a libido and feel like a man. Your feelings of fatigue and depression will leave you you will be come a new man. If you go to Dr. 's site read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update. In this are the labs you needed and why. Get this book " Testosterone: A Man's Guide " after you read this you will know what took me 30 yrs. to learn. http://tinyurl.com/6hjeh5k Co-Moderator Phil > From: unipanthers43 <leinad.thrall@...> > Subject: Low Testosterone > > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 1:34 PM > Hi All, > > I am 20 years old and already have had quite the difficulty > with hormone levels. > > Background: Growing up everything seemed normal except for > my prevalent gynecomastia. The doctor over and over again > reassured me that it would go away, and I believed him. I > first noticed large growths under my nipples when I was 13. > > > But everything else seemed fined in my memory until the > fall of 2006 it was discovered that I had a growth on my > thyroid. The doctor immediately had the growth as well as > half my thyroid removed. Gynecomastia was still there but > the doctor still remained confident it would go away. I was > 16 years old. > > I went for about a year without any treatment and that year > really wasn't any fun. I didn't sleep and was very > irritable. The doctor prescribed sleeping pills and such but > they only worked off and on. Finally he checked my thyroid > hormone levels and they were really low, so I took synthroid > for about a year and a half. After that time, they seemed > too high to him so I stopped taking the thyroid pills and my > thyroid levels seemed to return to a place he was > comfortable with, and today, I do not take any thyroid > medication. > > However, it was very obvious to me that something else was > wrong. All my friends were growing and I was not, I could > not sleep, still had gynecomastia, etc. Finally my doctor > thought to check my testosterone and it was just over 100. > He got me started on Androgel at that point, which has been > about two years ago. This helped my sleep somewhat but still > I have never slept very well and feel pretty sluggish 5-6 > days a week. Usually for some reason I have one good day a > week but that doesn't outweigh the other bad ones in the > long run. > > Since then I realized I was never going to have the > gynecomastia go away so I had that surgery done last August. > Right now, as I said above, am on Androgel. I apply 3.75g > per day. I have been reading everything I can find online > about good T levels and have been disappointed with my > levels, but the doctor says they are ok. From what I have > learned, it is good to have levels above 500 ng/dL and > probably should have over 600 since I am so young. I know > for sure that I have never had T levels this high. I have > been slightly worried with complaining to my doctor because > I do feel somewhat better than before I was on Androgel and > am thankful that we seem to be getting better, but still am > not satisfied. I feel depressed and unmotivated many days > and cannot sleep more than 5 hours in a night. I had blood > tests done twice in the last two months and they came back > very similar. The most recent tests said: > > Total T: 273 ng/dL > Free T: 10.1 > > Any thoughts? Just trying to see if anyone has some ideas > with where to go, what to do. Should I see an > endocrinologist for better treatment and a fuller test > scheme or should I just talk to my doctor again? If so, > should I ask for injections rather than Androgel? What are > your experiences? From what I've read online, it seems that > in the long run, weekly or biweekly injections are the way > to go and do better overall to stabilize T levels. I have > read that injections may make me infertile, but right now, > with this quality of life, I don't really think I care. I > can worry about that later. What do you think is my best bet > to get my Testosterone levels up to 600-700? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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