Re: Theories: Why did I Get Hypothyroid symptoms 18 years ago?

[Guest guest]

TSH moves up and down never stays the same as your body needs more

Thyroid your brain tells it to make more with the message of TSH. If your body

has enough Thyroid your TSH will be on the lower end of the range. If your body

needs more and your levels test low your TSH will be higher a red flag going up

is when your over 2.

The same thing works for LH and FSH this is a message from your brain to your

testis that tell it to make more Testosterone. If your on TRT this will be very

low or shut down. Not on TRT it can go high but if your Total T levels stay low

with higher LH and FSH it can mean your Testis are not working can't make

Testosterone. If your Total T levels are low with a low LH and FSH this can

mean your Pituitary is not telling your testis to make Testosterone and

something is wrong with it. A bad head injury can do this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Theories: Why did I Get Hypothyroid symptoms 18 years

ago?

> " " < >

> Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 7:17 AM

> I will repost here what I posted in

> thr natral thyroid hormones adrenals group!

>

> Original post:

>

> I will not discuss Hypothyroidism from mercury in my tissue

> or hypothyroidism from low iodine now. I know Hypothyroidism

> can appear from these two theories, but I don't have any lab

> tests from my teens about this. So let's concentrate about

> the other theories!

>

> Browsing thru old bloodwork from 1997 and up...

>

> I now know my TSH was 0.98 (0.10 - 5å mU/l) in February

> 1997, pre-T4 meds. (T4 was started in May 1997!) I was 19

> years of age when I did my first Thyroid/Vitamin D3 tests.

> FT4 was 12.5 (8 - 20 pmol/l) They didn't test FT3, but they

> did test Total T3 which was 2.3 (0.8 - 2.7 nmol/l).

>

> THEORY #1: Hypothyroidism from low Vitamin D?

> Can a person become Hypothyroid JUST from having low

> Vitamin D status? I remember I deliverately wore huge

> jackets and covered my body (ashamed of puberty) and didn't

> Get any sun since age 13 (about the year 1991). My 25OH-Vit

> D3 was 27* (30 - 110 nmol/l) and my 1,25OH2-Vit D was 46*

> (50 - 145 pmol/l). 

>

> THEORY #2: Hypothyroidism from getting Secondary

> Hypogonadism after that blow?

> I did suffer from a HARD blow to the head around 1992 when

> I was about 14 years old. It was H A R D !!!! My left side

> of the head just POW down into the rock solid ice on the

> ground. I was hit by my buddy who was riding a sleigh. Bit

> then again, could TSH, which was 0.98 at that first test,

> tide to 1.4 which it did this summer when I quit ERFA

> Thyroid 2 grains daily, for 2 days? Could one see TSH rise

> like that with Hypogonadism? Wouldn't 0.98 like it was in

> 1997 be the limit?

>

> Now, looking at sone other labs from 1997 before T4

> treatment was started... Sorry, I don't have the ranges!

>

> Hormones April 1997:

> S-CORT 209

> D-GHNY <0.4

> S-PRL 179

> S-PTH 2.2

> S-SHBG 9 (probably Same range as we use today! About 8 - 60

> nmol/l)

> S-TESTO 10.9 (probably same range as we use today! About 8

> - 35 nmol/l)

>

> All I ever heard from ENDO'S looking at the results above,

> my VERY FIRST bloodwork ever, was that I was 100% healthy!

> Obviously, I was NOT, at 300 lbs, got tachucardia (200+ bpm)

> in the nighttime, freezing a lot, being slow in my mind,

> peeing " sand " (kidney stone symptom), even got some

> BIG kidney stones made out of Calcium, etc.

>

> It was pure luck that my mother read about a private

> specialist treating people like me at that time. We quit the

> ENDO clinic at the public hospital and got T4 immediately

> from the other specialist. I lost 100 lbs over the next 12

> months an lived a decent life from 1998 til 2008 started,

> and all ell bruke loose when the SAME ENDO's started

> removing my thyroid meds due to a high FT3 and a high stress

> feelig in my body. And that's why I am writing in these

> groups now...

>

> I need to figure out what happened to me back then!

>

> I must add that my LH was as High as 7 about 4-5 years ago.

> Can I possibly have hypogonadism with a FSH like that? I

> feel like I've seen what my vet can do on optimal Thyroid

> alone, and I Wonder if I can heal perfectly with Thyroid

> meds alone today! Why add Testo gel if FSH and LH can be

> great alone? They once were, while on T4/T3 meds!

> (1997-2008) ONLY when Endos weened me down on those meds,

> and I started HC, LH and FSH went down.

>

>

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know about the TSH but I was talking about my first Thyroid panel from 1997,

when TSH was 0.98: Maybe this was the highest TSH I could do, since I was plain,

off meds, and just being myself naturally at the time - VERY overweight, slow

and freezing cold. HYPO. I was thinking, if I could push my TSH up to 1.4, which

it was this summer when I quit ERFA Thyroid for 2 days cold turkey (Hertoghe

thought I was overdosed due to vibration in my right leg/chest!), maybe it means

there is more juice in my body NATURALLY than we all think? The less amount of

meds I am on, the better. If I feel good without them, that is. I will take

anything I need to feel better, BUT I hate side-effects. Hate them! Can't relax

when I always get side-effects!

NOW It's getting interesting, with LH and FSH. See, from 1997 to 2010, FSH has

never been above 2, to my knowledge. The range is <12 U/L for FSH. Shouldn't FSH

be higher than 2 to give the body what it needs!?!? LH was, however, as high as

7 in 2006. Range: <12 U/L for LH. So a 7 is great, if I am not mistaken.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? A FSH at max 2 and a LH at max 7, while taking T4/T3 back

in 1997-2008?

My " Free Testosterone Index " has ALWAYS been top range; At 9.2 or 9.9. The

higher the " Free Testosterone Index " , the more man you are, according to one of

my doctors here in Norway. Which is true. But they seem to ONLY focus on the

" Free Testosterone Index " here in NORWAY. In Belgium, at Hertoghe's clinic, they

wanna see a high " Testosterone " and a high " Free Testosterone " .

Let's first sort out what the differencies between the different analyses are in

the differnet countries. We've got USA, Belgium and Norway.

Norway:S-TestosteroneFree Testosterone Index (Testosterone (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG

(nmol/l))

Belgium:TestosteroneFree TestosteroneBound Testosterone

USA:Free TestosteroneTotal TestosteroneWhat else?

I am pretty sure my LH level (at up to 7!) in 2006 made my testis work great.

(What about the FSH tho? at max 2?) I had amazing erections every day and night,

and a lot of elaculate (volume) and everything was just flawless! Until til I

tried TRT this spring. We need to sort this out!

My S-Testosterone (What's this called in the USA?) which they test in Norway,

was mid-range at 22 (8 - 35) but never above that, in my 20s. IS THIS ENOUGH

TESTOSTERONE FOR A 20-30 YO?

Seems to me like on optimal Thyroid, I was getting decent amounts of

Testosterone made.

I still need to find out if that " Free Testosterone Index " which always was in

the very top of the range means everywathing was perfect with me.

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Theories: Why did I Get Hypothyroid symptoms 18 years

ago?

> " " < >

> Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 7:17 AM

> I will repost here what I posted in

> thr natral thyroid hormones adrenals group!

>

> Original post:

>

> I will not discuss Hypothyroidism from mercury in my tissue

> or hypothyroidism from low iodine now. I know Hypothyroidism

> can appear from these two theories, but I don't have any lab

> tests from my teens about this. So let's concentrate about

> the other theories!

>

> Browsing thru old bloodwork from 1997 and up...

>

> I now know my TSH was 0.98 (0.10 - 5Ã¥ mU/l) in February

> 1997, pre-T4 meds. (T4 was started in May 1997!) I was 19

> years of age when I did my first Thyroid/Vitamin D3 tests.

> FT4 was 12.5 (8 - 20 pmol/l) They didn't test FT3, but they

> did test Total T3 which was 2.3 (0.8 - 2.7 nmol/l).

>

> THEORY #1: Hypothyroidism from low Vitamin D?

> Can a person become Hypothyroid JUST from having low

> Vitamin D status? I remember I deliverately wore huge

> jackets and covered my body (ashamed of puberty) and didn't

> Get any sun since age 13 (about the year 1991). My 25OH-Vit

> D3 was 27* (30 - 110 nmol/l) and my 1,25OH2-Vit D was 46*

> (50 - 145 pmol/l). 

>

> THEORY #2: Hypothyroidism from getting Secondary

> Hypogonadism after that blow?

> I did suffer from a HARD blow to the head around 1992 when

> I was about 14 years old. It was H A R D !!!! My left side

> of the head just POW down into the rock solid ice on the

> ground. I was hit by my buddy who was riding a sleigh. Bit

> then again, could TSH, which was 0.98 at that first test,

> tide to 1.4 which it did this summer when I quit ERFA

> Thyroid 2 grains daily, for 2 days? Could one see TSH rise

> like that with Hypogonadism? Wouldn't 0.98 like it was in

> 1997 be the limit?

>

> Now, looking at sone other labs from 1997 before T4

> treatment was started... Sorry, I don't have the ranges!

>

> Hormones April 1997:

> S-CORT 209

> D-GHNY <0.4

> S-PRL 179

> S-PTH 2.2

> S-SHBG 9 (probably Same range as we use today! About 8 - 60

> nmol/l)

> S-TESTO 10.9 (probably same range as we use today! About 8

> - 35 nmol/l)

>

> All I ever heard from ENDO'S looking at the results above,

> my VERY FIRST bloodwork ever, was that I was 100% healthy!

> Obviously, I was NOT, at 300 lbs, got tachucardia (200+ bpm)

> in the nighttime, freezing a lot, being slow in my mind,

> peeing " sand " (kidney stone symptom), even got some

> BIG kidney stones made out of Calcium, etc.

>

> It was pure luck that my mother read about a private

> specialist treating people like me at that time. We quit the

> ENDO clinic at the public hospital and got T4 immediately

> from the other specialist. I lost 100 lbs over the next 12

> months an lived a decent life from 1998 til 2008 started,

> and all ell bruke loose when the SAME ENDO's started

> removing my thyroid meds due to a high FT3 and a high stress

> feelig in my body. And that's why I am writing in these

> groups now...

>

> I need to figure out what happened to me back then!

>

> I must add that my LH was as High as 7 about 4-5 years ago.

> Can I possibly have hypogonadism with a FSH like that? I

> feel like I've seen what my vet can do on optimal Thyroid

> alone, and I Wonder if I can heal perfectly with Thyroid

> meds alone today! Why add Testo gel if FSH and LH can be

> great alone? They once were, while on T4/T3 meds!

> (1997-2008) ONLY when Endos weened me down on those meds,

> and I started HC, LH and FSH went down.

>

>

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think your understanding me. TSH tells your Thyroid to make Thyroid

Hormones if your TSH is low and your Total and Free T3 and T4 are low it means

your brain your Pituitary is not working right your low and your brain is not

telling your Thyroid to make more because the number is so low.

Now if your TSH is very high and your Thyroid levels are all low it means your

Thyroid is not workng. If your on Thyroid meds your TSH should be low. Mine

was at .1

Now for Testosterone same thing if your S Testosterone here I feel it's Total

Testosterone is low and your LH and FSH are low it means your Pituitary in your

brain is not telling your testis to make Testosterone. You if your LH and FSH

are high and your Testosterone is low you do need the test all this at the same

thime it means your testis are not working. LH turns on and off very fast so

FSH is a better mesure.

Now lets talk about Free T Free Testosterone is a about 1 to 2% of all the T in

your body so if your S or Total Testosterone is low with a high Free T it means

nothing 1 to 2% of a low number is not much.

This is why Dr.'s dose your meds by Total or S Testosterone if your levels are

high and your Free T is up there this is good. But you can have higher levels

of T or S Testosterone with low Free T. This can happen with a higher level of

Estradiol and SHBG binds up your Testosterone and none of it is Free to work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Re: Theories: Why did I Get Hypothyroid symptoms 18

years ago?

>

> Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 1:32 PM

> I know about the TSH but I was

> talking about my first Thyroid panel from 1997, when TSH was

> 0.98: Maybe this was the highest TSH I could do, since I was

> plain, off meds, and just being myself naturally at the time

> - VERY overweight, slow and freezing cold. HYPO. I was

> thinking, if I could push my TSH up to 1.4, which it was

> this summer when I quit ERFA Thyroid for 2 days cold turkey

> (Hertoghe thought I was overdosed due to vibration in my

> right leg/chest!), maybe it means there is more juice in my

> body NATURALLY than we all think? The less amount of meds I

> am on, the better. If I feel good without them, that is. I

> will take anything I need to feel better, BUT I hate

> side-effects. Hate them! Can't relax when I always get

> side-effects!

> NOW It's getting interesting, with LH and FSH. See, from

> 1997 to 2010, FSH has never been above 2, to my knowledge.

> The range is <12 U/L for FSH. Shouldn't FSH be higher

> than 2 to give the body what it needs!?!? LH was, however,

> as high as 7 in 2006. Range: <12 U/L for LH. So a 7 is

> great, if I am not mistaken.

>

> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? A FSH at max 2 and a LH at max 7,

> while taking T4/T3 back in 1997-2008?

> My " Free Testosterone Index " has ALWAYS been top range; At

> 9.2 or 9.9. The higher the " Free Testosterone Index " , the

> more man you are, according to one of my doctors here in

> Norway. Which is true. But they seem to ONLY focus on the

> " Free Testosterone Index " here in NORWAY. In Belgium, at

> Hertoghe's clinic, they wanna see a high " Testosterone " and

> a high " Free Testosterone " .

> Let's first sort out what the differencies between the

> different analyses are in the differnet countries. We've got

> USA, Belgium and Norway.

> Norway:S-TestosteroneFree Testosterone Index (Testosterone

> (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l))

> Belgium:TestosteroneFree TestosteroneBound Testosterone

> USA:Free TestosteroneTotal TestosteroneWhat else?

> I am pretty sure my LH level (at up to 7!) in 2006 made my

> testis work great. (What about the FSH tho? at max 2?) I had

> amazing erections every day and night, and a lot of

> elaculate (volume) and everything was just flawless! Until

> til I tried TRT this spring. We need to sort this out!

> My S-Testosterone (What's this called in the USA?) which

> they test in Norway, was mid-range at 22 (8 - 35) but never

> above that, in my 20s. IS THIS ENOUGH TESTOSTERONE FOR A

> 20-30 YO?

> Seems to me like on optimal Thyroid, I was getting decent

> amounts of Testosterone made.

> I still need to find out if that " Free Testosterone Index "

> which always was in the very top of the range means

> everywathing was perfect with me.

>