Re: HCG and weight gain???

[Guest guest]

Can you post your test results in the context of the exact name of the test

done, your result + the labs ranges for the test? We have found that *normal* is

not always so...did you get hard copies of your labs from the doc?

Have you had your adrenals tested by 24 hour saliva testing and thyroid tested

as well? If so, can you post the name of the test, your result and the labs

ranges?

I would worry about a doc pushing this *weight loss protocol* w/o proper

attention to the *basics* of your hormonal situation..what type of doc are you

seeing? EL

>

> Now I am really confused. I came here a few months ago when I had a blood

test showing an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43 YO now

was 42 at the time.

>

> I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and the low T was

verified but not as bad this time. It was still very low (112) on a scale where

260 is the minimum. It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as well and GF1

that I had never even heard of.

>

> With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and pituiary but it was

basically normal. So the doc said he had no idea what was happening or why but

since my wife and I are trying to have children and I clearly need testosterone,

I can't take any testosterone or it will shut down sperm production (which is

actually above normal and makes no sense I realize). He said there is is only

one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is HCG. I know I need

something as I can sleep for 15 hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied

like you can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes or so

without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very low T) My free T was

measured at (21).

>

> So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said within about 10 days

I would begin feeling great. I have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have

taken 20,000 units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon. I have added almost

15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look like a pregnant woman's. My wife

jokes that I now have " cankles " , a new term for me? I was advised I would begin

losing weight and feel great but instead I am so bloated, tired and swoolen I

can't believe it. I moved this month, lost the doctor and will have no

insurance for another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out for

about a month or six weeks. Now I wonder if I should just stop the HCG. I

don't get it. People take this for weight loss. Has anyone ever found that it

causes weight gain? Since the doc said it was my on;y option It sounds like I

am scr***ed. Is this normal? Since I seem to have an abnormal motabolism or

something maybe HCG will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? Is

1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying less. Any thoughts

would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, that is a lot of hCG per week. I read last night on the I think anabolic

minds forum that hCG causes the aromatase enzyme level to increase, therefor

increasing estradiol (E2) which would cause you to get fat. Are you taking any

AI to prevent this? I would definitely have your blood checked for E2 to see

where you are with that. I think he could be giving you so much that you are

over producing testosterone which get's converted to E2. This is just a guess on

my part, so get a blood test to check for this hormone.

> >

> > Now I am really confused. I came here a few months ago when I had a blood

test showing an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43 YO now

was 42 at the time.

> >

> > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and the low T was

verified but not as bad this time. It was still very low (112) on a scale where

260 is the minimum. It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as well and GF1

that I had never even heard of.

> >

> > With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and pituiary but it was

basically normal. So the doc said he had no idea what was happening or why but

since my wife and I are trying to have children and I clearly need testosterone,

I can't take any testosterone or it will shut down sperm production (which is

actually above normal and makes no sense I realize). He said there is is only

one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is HCG. I know I need

something as I can sleep for 15 hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied

like you can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes or so

without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very low T) My free T was

measured at (21).

> >

> > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said within about 10

days I would begin feeling great. I have now been on it for about 6 weeks and

have taken 20,000 units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon. I have added

almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look like a pregnant woman's.

My wife jokes that I now have " cankles " , a new term for me? I was advised I

would begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am so bloated, tired and

swoolen I can't believe it. I moved this month, lost the doctor and will have

no insurance for another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out for

about a month or six weeks. Now I wonder if I should just stop the HCG. I

don't get it. People take this for weight loss. Has anyone ever found that it

causes weight gain? Since the doc said it was my on;y option It sounds like I

am scr***ed. Is this normal? Since I seem to have an abnormal motabolism or

something maybe HCG will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? Is

1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying less. Any thoughts

would be appreciated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Low FSH, LH, TSH, IGF-1 with low hormone levels indicate a problem with your

pituitary or hypothalamus. Given that those aren't fixable, you're supposed to

just replace ALL the hormones. Being cold all the time is low thyroid.

Inability to stand for long periods is low aldosterone. These are hormones in

addition to testosterone or HCG that you would need to replace.

Phil always recommends HCG as 250 IU's every 3 days. You were given 1500, which

is 6x the amount, no wonder you ballooned up! I would hold off on your next

shot till your swelling goes down, then restart at a lower dose like Phil

recommends.

Please listen to your body guys. Just cause a doc told you to do it, doesn't

make it right. It may be as simple as a dose adjustment, or interval

adjustment, or both, but if you feel worse, not better, something needs

adjusting!

Barb

>

> Now I am really confused. I came here a few months ago when I had a blood

test showing an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43 YO now

was 42 at the time.

>

> I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and the low T was

verified but not as bad this time. It was still very low (112) on a scale where

260 is the minimum. It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as well and GF1

that I had never even heard of.

>

> With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and pituiary but it was

basically normal. So the doc said he had no idea what was happening or why but

since my wife and I are trying to have children and I clearly need testosterone,

I can't take any testosterone or it will shut down sperm production (which is

actually above normal and makes no sense I realize). He said there is is only

one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is HCG. I know I need

something as I can sleep for 15 hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied

like you can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes or so

without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very low T) My free T was

measured at (21).

>

> So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said within about 10 days

I would begin feeling great. I have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have

taken 20,000 units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon. I have added almost

15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look like a pregnant woman's. My wife

jokes that I now have " cankles " , a new term for me? I was advised I would begin

losing weight and feel great but instead I am so bloated, tired and swoolen I

can't believe it. I moved this month, lost the doctor and will have no

insurance for another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out for

about a month or six weeks. Now I wonder if I should just stop the HCG. I

don't get it. People take this for weight loss. Has anyone ever found that it

causes weight gain? Since the doc said it was my on;y option It sounds like I

am scr***ed. Is this normal? Since I seem to have an abnormal motabolism or

something maybe HCG will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? Is

1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying less. Any thoughts

would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb, he is taking 1500 IU's twice a week!!

> >

> > Now I am really confused. I came here a few months ago when I had a blood

test showing an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43 YO now

was 42 at the time.

> >

> > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and the low T was

verified but not as bad this time. It was still very low (112) on a scale where

260 is the minimum. It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as well and GF1

that I had never even heard of.

> >

> > With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and pituiary but it was

basically normal. So the doc said he had no idea what was happening or why but

since my wife and I are trying to have children and I clearly need testosterone,

I can't take any testosterone or it will shut down sperm production (which is

actually above normal and makes no sense I realize). He said there is is only

one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is HCG. I know I need

something as I can sleep for 15 hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied

like you can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes or so

without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very low T) My free T was

measured at (21).

> >

> > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said within about 10

days I would begin feeling great. I have now been on it for about 6 weeks and

have taken 20,000 units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon. I have added

almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look like a pregnant woman's.

My wife jokes that I now have " cankles " , a new term for me? I was advised I

would begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am so bloated, tired and

swoolen I can't believe it. I moved this month, lost the doctor and will have

no insurance for another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out for

about a month or six weeks. Now I wonder if I should just stop the HCG. I

don't get it. People take this for weight loss. Has anyone ever found that it

causes weight gain? Since the doc said it was my on;y option It sounds like I

am scr***ed. Is this normal? Since I seem to have an abnormal motabolism or

something maybe HCG will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? Is

1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying less. Any thoughts

would be appreciated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I found this article to be extremely informative.

http://www.mombu.com/medicine/medicine/t-a-primer-on-hcg-and-dr-shippens-hcg-pro\

tocol-2-of-8-hypothalamus-depression-nail-testicular-down-2307457.html

>

> Now I am really confused. I came here a few months ago when I had a blood

test showing an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43 YO now

was 42 at the time.

>

> I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and the low T was

verified but not as bad this time. It was still very low (112) on a scale where

260 is the minimum. It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as well and GF1

that I had never even heard of.

>

> With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and pituiary but it was

basically normal. So the doc said he had no idea what was happening or why but

since my wife and I are trying to have children and I clearly need testosterone,

I can't take any testosterone or it will shut down sperm production (which is

actually above normal and makes no sense I realize). He said there is is only

one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is HCG. I know I need

something as I can sleep for 15 hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied

like you can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes or so

without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very low T) My free T was

measured at (21).

>

> So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said within about 10 days

I would begin feeling great. I have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have

taken 20,000 units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon. I have added almost

15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look like a pregnant woman's. My wife

jokes that I now have " cankles " , a new term for me? I was advised I would begin

losing weight and feel great but instead I am so bloated, tired and swoolen I

can't believe it. I moved this month, lost the doctor and will have no

insurance for another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out for

about a month or six weeks. Now I wonder if I should just stop the HCG. I

don't get it. People take this for weight loss. Has anyone ever found that it

causes weight gain? Since the doc said it was my on;y option It sounds like I

am scr***ed. Is this normal? Since I seem to have an abnormal motabolism or

something maybe HCG will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? Is

1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying less. Any thoughts

would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

The thing about what your Dr. is doing is wrong you don't do HCG to keep

Testosterone levels up at a very high dose like this. Most men do 60 to 100

IU's everyday to get there levels up. What your Dr. is doing will in time make

your testis desensitized to the HCG and they will stop working.

Men do a dose like this to try to make a baby not keep Testosterone levels up.

What is happening to you is your testis can handle that much HCG and it's

getting converted into Estradiol and your holding water big time.

Dr. was one of the first Dr.'s to give men HCG that have low testosterone

and he found anything over 500 IU's a day can desensitize ones testis this means

you will become Primary your testis will stop working.

Go to Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for success

and his HCG Update.

And this link supports what he dose.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Now I feel you need to do come labs get the following tests done.

Here is what I am have done at Quest Labs

Estradiol sensitive Code #4021

Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X.

If your Estradiol levels are over 30 pg/ml then you need to get this down. If

your over 50 you need Arimidex to get this down .5 mgs or 1/2 a pill every

other day.

Also if your Dr. never tested your Estradiol you might not be Secondary high

levels of Estradiol look to your brain like it's Testosterone and your brain

will slow down sending LH and FSH to your testis and you end up with low levels

of Testosterone.

The following link is about older men but I see this in younger.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

You need to cut back on your HCG shots to about 100 IU's / day.

One big thing that happens to most men with very high levels of Estradiol is

they lose there night time and morning wood and even get some ED problems.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: HCG and weight gain???

>

> Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> Now I am really confused.  I

> came here a few months ago when I had a blood test showing

> an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43

> YO now was 42 at the time. 

>

> I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and

> the low T was verified but not as bad this time. It was

> still very low (112) on a scale where 260 is the

> minimum.  It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as

> well and GF1 that I had never even heard of. 

>

> With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and

> pituiary but it was basically normal.  So the doc said

> he had no idea what was happening or why but since my wife

> and I are trying to have children and I clearly need

> testosterone, I can't take any testosterone or it will shut

> down sperm production (which is actually above normal and

> makes no sense I realize).  He said there is is only

> one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is

> HCG.  I know I need something as I can sleep for 15

> hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied like you

> can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes

> or so without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very

> low T)  My free T was measured at (21). 

>

> So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said

> within about 10 days I would begin feeling great.  I

> have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have taken 20,000

> units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon.  I have

> added almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look

> like a pregnant woman's.  My wife jokes that I now have

> " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was advised I would

> begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am so

> bloated, tired and swoolen I can't believe it.  I moved

> this month, lost the doctor and will have no insurance for

> another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out

> for about a month or six weeks.  Now I wonder if I

> should just stop the HCG.  I don't get it.  People

> take this for weight loss.  Has anyone ever found that

> it causes weight gain?  Since the doc said it was my

> on;y option It sounds like I am

> scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since I

> seem to have an abnormal motabolism or something maybe HCG

> will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? 

> Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying

> less.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ed but the link does not work Z was a member here yrs ago helped me

a lot. Here are links to his work.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/david-z-s-primer-134235700.html

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/david-z-s-primer-134235701.html

But a lot has changed from the time he did this primer.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ed <edhill_2006@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG and weight gain???

>

> Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:04 AM

> I found this article to be extremely

> informative.

>

>

http://www.mombu.com/medicine/medicine/t-a-primer-on-hcg-and-dr-shippens-hcg-pro\

tocol-2-of-8-hypothalamus-depression-nail-testicular-down-2307457.html

>

>

>

> >

> > Now I am really confused.  I came here a few

> months ago when I had a blood test showing an incredibly low

> total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43 YO now was 42 at

> the time. 

> >

> > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested

> and the low T was verified but not as bad this time. It was

> still very low (112) on a scale where 260 is the

> minimum.  It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as

> well and GF1 that I had never even heard of. 

> >

> > With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and

> pituiary but it was basically normal.  So the doc said

> he had no idea what was happening or why but since my wife

> and I are trying to have children and I clearly need

> testosterone, I can't take any testosterone or it will shut

> down sperm production (which is actually above normal and

> makes no sense I realize).  He said there is is only

> one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is

> HCG.  I know I need something as I can sleep for 15

> hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied like you

> can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes

> or so without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very

> low T)  My free T was measured at (21). 

> >

> > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and

> said within about 10 days I would begin feeling great. 

> I have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have taken

> 20,000 units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon. 

> I have added almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and

> feet look like a pregnant woman's.  My wife jokes that

> I now have " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was advised

> I would begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am

> so bloated, tired and swoolen I can't believe it.  I

> moved this month, lost the doctor and will have no insurance

> for another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is

> out for about a month or six weeks.  Now I wonder if I

> should just stop the HCG.  I don't get it.  People

> take this for weight loss.  Has anyone ever found that

> it causes weight gain?  Since the doc said it was my

> on;y option It sounds like I am

> scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since I

> seem to have an abnormal motabolism or something maybe HCG

> will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? 

> Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying

> less.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have my test results and will post below. To clarify again, I am on 3,000

Units of HCG per week divided into two doses of 1,500. I am on nothing else.

The doc that put me on this is an endocrinologist My super low total T was at

quest labs that apear to have different refernce ranges and was in the afternoon

so I got these at the Mayo Clinic at 7:00AM to be sure they were early AM

numbers.

Iron (50-150) 65

Iron % Sat (14-50) 19

Ferritin (24-336) 46

K (3.6-5.2) 4.4

Glucose (70-100) 100

Creatinine (.8-1.3) 1.0

Cortisole AM (7.0-25) 10.9

TSH (.3-5.0) .17L

T4 Free (.6-1.6) 1.0

T3 (2.0-3.5) 3.6H

ACTH/Adrenal (10.0-60.0) 12.1

GH (.01-.97) <.01L

Prolactin (3-13) 5

Ins-Like GF1 (98-261) 75L

FSH (1.0-18.0) 1.8

LH (1.8-8.6) 1.3 L

Testosterone (240-950) 120L

Testoserone Bio A (61-213) 54

TSI (<=1.3) <1.0

That's about it the Quest results were similar but we did less testing. The

total T was lower with Quest at it measured 44 total but again that was in the

PM. My Thyroid (TSH) has always tested abnormal but since the TSH is low it

should mean I am Hyper not Hypo thyroid and I have the symptoms of Hypo so the

docs are always confused and just say " we need to monitor " .

I have begun taking large doses of Vitamin D3 as I do have chronic pain issues.

I understand that D3 can really help with that. Other than that I only take

cholesterol meds and have for years. I do think I need to reduce this HCG until

I can get in to a new doctor in maybe a month but I can't continue or I may put

on 40 pounds. One interesting thing is I think it is mostly water. I have been

eating far less than normal while gaining this weight (Maybe half), but I would

say I drink 8-12 bottles of water per day so I really think it is water weight

but I can't stop drinking I am thirsty all the time. This really stinks. I

feel like the Saturday Night Live Character I think it was that used to walk

around and shout " Get in my belly " ! Was it the Clumps? I feel like I am

wearing a fat suit.

>

> > From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> > Subject: HCG and weight gain???

> >

> > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> > Now I am really confused.  I

> > came here a few months ago when I had a blood test showing

> > an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43

> > YO now was 42 at the time. 

> >

> > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and

> > the low T was verified but not as bad this time. It was

> > still very low (112) on a scale where 260 is the

> > minimum.  It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as

> > well and GF1 that I had never even heard of. 

> >

> > With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and

> > pituiary but it was basically normal.  So the doc said

> > he had no idea what was happening or why but since my wife

> > and I are trying to have children and I clearly need

> > testosterone, I can't take any testosterone or it will shut

> > down sperm production (which is actually above normal and

> > makes no sense I realize).  He said there is is only

> > one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is

> > HCG.  I know I need something as I can sleep for 15

> > hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied like you

> > can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes

> > or so without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very

> > low T)  My free T was measured at (21). 

> >

> > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said

> > within about 10 days I would begin feeling great.  I

> > have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have taken 20,000

> > units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon.  I have

> > added almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look

> > like a pregnant woman's.  My wife jokes that I now have

> > " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was advised I would

> > begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am so

> > bloated, tired and swoolen I can't believe it.  I moved

> > this month, lost the doctor and will have no insurance for

> > another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out

> > for about a month or six weeks.  Now I wonder if I

> > should just stop the HCG.  I don't get it.  People

> > take this for weight loss.  Has anyone ever found that

> > it causes weight gain?  Since the doc said it was my

> > on;y option It sounds like I am

> > scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since I

> > seem to have an abnormal motabolism or something maybe HCG

> > will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? 

> > Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying

> > less.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Looking at your labs I see this.

Your Iron levels are low.

Your Cortisol am is very low next thing to do is a 4x's in a day Saliva test to

see how your rhythm looks.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

Your TSH with your labs for thyroid tell me your Pituitary is not telling your

Thyroid to make Hormones the right way. If your not feeling hyper I feel your

Hypopituitary and this can be from a Head Injury even with out seeing your

Estradiol levels.

And your Growth Hormones with your IGF-1 levels low tell me it's your Pituitary

not working right.

And your very low Testosterone levels with the very low LH and FSH you are

Hypopituitary.

Now about your added weight I feel it's water but don't stop drinking water.

Try adding some good Sea Salt to a glass of water first thing in the morning 1/2

tsp. With your Thyroid and Cortisol levels this might help, your body will hold

water if your Adrenals are telling your body to dump your sodium. If you lower

your HCG shots to 100 IU's a day and add in some Sea Salt you should feel better

and dump the water. If not you might need a water pill.

Every thing in your labs show you are Hypopituitary I am due to a head injury

here is a good link to a forum that is closed but full of dam good info about

this problem.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=12 & sid=5391a1b5c486586a397e260\

447972569

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG and weight gain???

>

> Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 6:14 PM

> I have my test results and will post

> below.  To clarify again, I am on 3,000 Units of HCG

> per week divided into two doses of 1,500.  I am on

> nothing else.  The doc that put me on this is an

> endocrinologist My super low total T was at quest labs that

> apear to have different refernce ranges and was in the

> afternoon so I got these at the Mayo Clinic at 7:00AM to be

> sure they were early AM numbers.

>

> Iron (50-150) 65

> Iron % Sat (14-50) 19

> Ferritin (24-336) 46

> K (3.6-5.2) 4.4

> Glucose (70-100) 100

> Creatinine (.8-1.3) 1.0

> Cortisole AM (7.0-25) 10.9

> TSH (.3-5.0) .17L

> T4 Free (.6-1.6) 1.0

> T3 (2.0-3.5) 3.6H

> ACTH/Adrenal (10.0-60.0) 12.1

> GH (.01-.97) <.01L

> Prolactin (3-13) 5

> Ins-Like GF1 (98-261) 75L

> FSH (1.0-18.0) 1.8

> LH (1.8-8.6) 1.3 L

> Testosterone (240-950) 120L

> Testoserone Bio A (61-213) 54

> TSI (<=1.3) <1.0

>

> That's about it the Quest results were similar but we did

> less testing.  The total T was lower with Quest at it

> measured 44 total but again that was in the PM.  My

> Thyroid (TSH) has always tested abnormal but since the TSH

> is low it should mean I am Hyper not Hypo thyroid and I have

> the symptoms of Hypo so the docs are always confused and

> just say " we need to monitor " .

>

> I have begun taking large doses of Vitamin D3 as I do have

> chronic pain issues.  I understand that D3 can really

> help with that.  Other than that I only take

> cholesterol meds and have for years.  I do think I need

> to reduce this HCG until I can get in to a new doctor in

> maybe a month but I can't continue or I may put on 40

> pounds.  One interesting thing is I think it is mostly

> water.  I have been eating far less than normal while

> gaining this weight (Maybe half), but I would say I drink

> 8-12 bottles of water per day so I really think it is water

> weight but I can't stop drinking I am thirsty all the

> time.  This really stinks.  I feel like the

> Saturday Night Live Character I think it was that used to

> walk around and shout " Get in my belly " !  Was it the

> Clumps?  I feel like I am wearing a fat suit. 

>

>

> >

> > > From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> > > Subject: HCG and weight gain???

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > Now I am really confused.  I

> > > came here a few months ago when I had a blood

> test showing

> > > an incredibly low total Testosterone level of

> (44) I am 43

> > > YO now was 42 at the time. 

> > >

> > > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things

> tested and

> > > the low T was verified but not as bad this time.

> It was

> > > still very low (112) on a scale where 260 is the

> > > minimum.  It also showed very low FSH, LH and

> TSH as

> > > well and GF1 that I had never even heard of. 

> > >

> > > With everything being low I had an MRI of my

> brain and

> > > pituiary but it was basically normal.  So the

> doc said

> > > he had no idea what was happening or why but

> since my wife

> > > and I are trying to have children and I clearly

> need

> > > testosterone, I can't take any testosterone or it

> will shut

> > > down sperm production (which is actually above

> normal and

> > > makes no sense I realize).  He said there is is

> only

> > > one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and

> that is

> > > HCG.  I know I need something as I can sleep for

> 15

> > > hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied

> like you

> > > can't believe and can't even stand for more than

> 5 minutes

> > > or so without being wiped out (I guess it is all

> the very

> > > low T)  My free T was measured at (21). 

> > >

> > > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week

> and said

> > > within about 10 days I would begin feeling

> great.  I

> > > have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have

> taken 20,000

> > > units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon. 

> I have

> > > added almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and

> feet look

> > > like a pregnant woman's.  My wife jokes that I

> now have

> > > " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was advised I

> would

> > > begin losing weight and feel great but instead I

> am so

> > > bloated, tired and swoolen I can't believe it. 

> I moved

> > > this month, lost the doctor and will have no

> insurance for

> > > another month so any testing or follow-up with a

> doc is out

> > > for about a month or six weeks.  Now I wonder if

> I

> > > should just stop the HCG.  I don't get it. 

> People

> > > take this for weight loss.  Has anyone ever

> found that

> > > it causes weight gain?  Since the doc said it

> was my

> > > on;y option It sounds like I am

> > > scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since I

> > > seem to have an abnormal motabolism or something

> maybe HCG

> > > will not work or maybe it is just doing the

> opposite? 

> > > Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering

> about trying

> > > less.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Glucose high, TSH (are you on thyroid hormone? if not...) low, there is such an

animal as *subclinical hypER thyroid*..left untreated can result in cardiac

abnormalities leading to more severe cardiac disease and in addition,to problems

with bone density...sorry to say, endo's are mostly idiots when it comes to

thyroid issues.

Or, you could be hypothyroid, secondary to pituitary disease ..you have such low

T and growth hormone levels...

Doesn't look like he ran Free T3..I'd have that done; Free T4 below mid

range..has the doctor ruled out pituitary disease or Graves disease (that is

what the TSI is for) or did they run any of the other thyroid antibody tests?

Symptoms of hyper and hypo very similiar...chronic pain is difficult, and

thyroid issues do cause all over body/muscle/joint aches..

Your comment about being thirsty all the time (and the volume of water you are

drinking) concerns me: have you had your aldosterone/renin/sodium/potassium run?

That symptom key for other adrenal hormone issues...with all that water you may

be losing alot of sodium..do you use unrefined sea salt on your food?

EL

> >

> > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > Subject: HCG and weight gain???

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > Now I am really confused.� I

> > > came here a few months ago when I had a blood test showing

> > > an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43

> > > YO now was 42 at the time.�

> > >

> > > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and

> > > the low T was verified but not as bad this time. It was

> > > still very low (112) on a scale where 260 is the

> > > minimum.� It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as

> > > well and GF1 that I had never even heard of.�

> > >

> > > With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and

> > > pituiary but it was basically normal.� So the doc said

> > > he had no idea what was happening or why but since my wife

> > > and I are trying to have children and I clearly need

> > > testosterone, I can't take any testosterone or it will shut

> > > down sperm production (which is actually above normal and

> > > makes no sense I realize).� He said there is is only

> > > one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is

> > > HCG.� I know I need something as I can sleep for 15

> > > hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied like you

> > > can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes

> > > or so without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very

> > > low T)� My free T was measured at (21).�

> > >

> > > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said

> > > within about 10 days I would begin feeling great.� I

> > > have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have taken 20,000

> > > units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon.� I have

> > > added almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look

> > > like a pregnant woman's.� My wife jokes that I now have

> > > " cankles " , a new term for me?� I was advised I would

> > > begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am so

> > > bloated, tired and swoolen I can't believe it.� I moved

> > > this month, lost the doctor and will have no insurance for

> > > another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out

> > > for about a month or six weeks.� Now I wonder if I

> > > should just stop the HCG.� I don't get it.� People

> > > take this for weight loss.� Has anyone ever found that

> > > it causes weight gain?� Since the doc said it was my

> > > on;y option It sounds like I am

> > > scr***ed.���Is this normal?� Since I

> > > seem to have an abnormal motabolism or something maybe HCG

> > > will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite?�

> > > Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying

> > > less.� Any thoughts would be appreciated.�

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

to rule out Graves disease--suggested tests: TPOAb, TGAb, TRAb (aka TBII) and

TSI...in case the doc did not previously test all of these for you..EL

> >

> > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > Subject: HCG and weight gain???

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > Now I am really confused.  I

> > > came here a few months ago when I had a blood test showing

> > > an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43

> > > YO now was 42 at the time. 

> > >

> > > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and

> > > the low T was verified but not as bad this time. It was

> > > still very low (112) on a scale where 260 is the

> > > minimum.  It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as

> > > well and GF1 that I had never even heard of. 

> > >

> > > With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and

> > > pituiary but it was basically normal.  So the doc said

> > > he had no idea what was happening or why but since my wife

> > > and I are trying to have children and I clearly need

> > > testosterone, I can't take any testosterone or it will shut

> > > down sperm production (which is actually above normal and

> > > makes no sense I realize).  He said there is is only

> > > one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is

> > > HCG.  I know I need something as I can sleep for 15

> > > hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied like you

> > > can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes

> > > or so without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very

> > > low T)  My free T was measured at (21). 

> > >

> > > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said

> > > within about 10 days I would begin feeling great.  I

> > > have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have taken 20,000

> > > units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon.  I have

> > > added almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look

> > > like a pregnant woman's.  My wife jokes that I now have

> > > " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was advised I would

> > > begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am so

> > > bloated, tired and swoolen I can't believe it.  I moved

> > > this month, lost the doctor and will have no insurance for

> > > another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out

> > > for about a month or six weeks.  Now I wonder if I

> > > should just stop the HCG.  I don't get it.  People

> > > take this for weight loss.  Has anyone ever found that

> > > it causes weight gain?  Since the doc said it was my

> > > on;y option It sounds like I am

> > > scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since I

> > > seem to have an abnormal motabolism or something maybe HCG

> > > will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? 

> > > Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying

> > > less.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

As I noted previously the HCG just wasn't working well. Maybe I was overdoing

it at 3000 units a week. I cut it down in half but wound up in the Urgent Care

with edemia (huge feet) and I had to stop. I tried to get in to an endo but

there is a three month wait and with a total tst of between 44 and 120 so I able

to get in to a pretty decent GP (I think).

I told him my issues and shared my test results. He said anyone with my numbers

is really in need of more specialized treatment than he can offer. But he

suggested that while I wait for the endo (still three months out) I have to get

my tst numbers up just to function. He put me on the higher level patch (5m)

he said after 6 weeks we would test and then I would see the endo. Although I

don't want to become primary because we would like to have a child I also have

to live. Maybe I can do a really small shot of the HCG to keep it all working?

Anyway I have faith and hope this works. Something has to. Not sure if it is

supposed to hit me today since it is in my blood or if it takes some time. I am

wondering though why almost everyone here is on the cream or shots and very few

on the patch? Thanks all

> > >

> > > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > > Subject: HCG and weight gain???

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > Now I am really confused.  I

> > > > came here a few months ago when I had a blood test showing

> > > > an incredibly low total Testosterone level of (44) I am 43

> > > > YO now was 42 at the time. 

> > > >

> > > > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of things tested and

> > > > the low T was verified but not as bad this time. It was

> > > > still very low (112) on a scale where 260 is the

> > > > minimum.  It also showed very low FSH, LH and TSH as

> > > > well and GF1 that I had never even heard of. 

> > > >

> > > > With everything being low I had an MRI of my brain and

> > > > pituiary but it was basically normal.  So the doc said

> > > > he had no idea what was happening or why but since my wife

> > > > and I are trying to have children and I clearly need

> > > > testosterone, I can't take any testosterone or it will shut

> > > > down sperm production (which is actually above normal and

> > > > makes no sense I realize).  He said there is is only

> > > > one " cure " until we leave child baring ages and that is

> > > > HCG.  I know I need something as I can sleep for 15

> > > > hours a day easily, and cold all the time, tied like you

> > > > can't believe and can't even stand for more than 5 minutes

> > > > or so without being wiped out (I guess it is all the very

> > > > low T)  My free T was measured at (21). 

> > > >

> > > > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG twice a week and said

> > > > within about 10 days I would begin feeling great.  I

> > > > have now been on it for about 6 weeks and have taken 20,000

> > > > units of HCG and have blown up like a balloon.  I have

> > > > added almost 15 pounds in a month and my legs and feet look

> > > > like a pregnant woman's.  My wife jokes that I now have

> > > > " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was advised I would

> > > > begin losing weight and feel great but instead I am so

> > > > bloated, tired and swoolen I can't believe it.  I moved

> > > > this month, lost the doctor and will have no insurance for

> > > > another month so any testing or follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > for about a month or six weeks.  Now I wonder if I

> > > > should just stop the HCG.  I don't get it.  People

> > > > take this for weight loss.  Has anyone ever found that

> > > > it causes weight gain?  Since the doc said it was my

> > > > on;y option It sounds like I am

> > > > scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since I

> > > > seem to have an abnormal motabolism or something maybe HCG

> > > > will not work or maybe it is just doing the opposite? 

> > > > Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am wondering about trying

> > > > less.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Bstee,

Way to much HCG Dr. says men should not take more then 500 IU's per day.

Most only do on gels 250 IU's every 3 days and on shot once a week they do 250

IU's the 2 days each before there next T shot.

I feel what happened to you is the HCG converted into Estradiol and this makes

us hold water.

If your going to an Endo and live in the USA forget about it they are not good

Dr.'s for this problem.

If your GP will work with Dr. over the phone to test and treat you he dose

this. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and if your GP will do this he or she will

learn how to test and treat men for this on your dime. When you go to his site

read TRT: A Recipe for Success and His HCG update. He is one of the top hormone

Dr.'s in the world.

What was the range on your TST and what is TST.

It's not hard to get leveled if your talking about low Testosterone all you need

to do is get your Total T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and to

keep your Estradiol down to about 20 pg/ml.

If your Thyroid and Adrenals are good you should do well on this with them

levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG and weight gain???

>

> Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 7:01 PM

>

> As I noted previously the HCG just wasn't working

> well.  Maybe I was overdoing it at 3000 units a

> week.  I cut it down in half but wound up in the Urgent

> Care with edemia (huge feet)  and I had to stop. 

> I tried to get in to an endo but there is a three month wait

> and with a total tst of between 44 and 120 so I able to get

> in to a pretty decent GP (I think). 

>

> I told him my issues and shared my test results.  He

> said anyone with my numbers is really in need of more

> specialized treatment than he can offer.  But he

> suggested that while I wait for the endo (still three months

> out) I have to get my tst numbers up just to function. 

> He put me on the higher level patch (5m)  he said after

> 6 weeks we would test and then I would see the endo. 

> Although I don't want to become primary because we would

> like to have a child I also have to live.  Maybe I can

> do a really small shot of the HCG to keep it all

> working?  Anyway I have faith and hope this

> works.  Something has to.  Not sure if it is

> supposed to hit me today since it is in my blood or if it

> takes some time.  I am wondering though why almost

> everyone here is on the cream or shots and very few on the

> patch?  Thanks all

>  

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > > > Subject: HCG and weight

> gain???

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > > Now I am really confused.  I

> > > > > came here a few months ago when I had a

> blood test showing

> > > > > an incredibly low total Testosterone

> level of (44) I am 43

> > > > > YO now was 42 at the time. 

> > > > >

> > > > > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of

> things tested and

> > > > > the low T was verified but not as bad

> this time. It was

> > > > > still very low (112) on a scale where

> 260 is the

> > > > > minimum.  It also showed very low FSH,

> LH and TSH as

> > > > > well and GF1 that I had never even

> heard of. 

> > > > >

> > > > > With everything being low I had an MRI

> of my brain and

> > > > > pituiary but it was basically normal. 

> So the doc said

> > > > > he had no idea what was happening or

> why but since my wife

> > > > > and I are trying to have children and I

> clearly need

> > > > > testosterone, I can't take any

> testosterone or it will shut

> > > > > down sperm production (which is

> actually above normal and

> > > > > makes no sense I realize).  He said

> there is is only

> > > > > one " cure " until we leave child baring

> ages and that is

> > > > > HCG.  I know I need something as I can

> sleep for 15

> > > > > hours a day easily, and cold all the

> time, tied like you

> > > > > can't believe and can't even stand for

> more than 5 minutes

> > > > > or so without being wiped out (I guess

> it is all the very

> > > > > low T)  My free T was measured at

> (21). 

> > > > >

> > > > > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG

> twice a week and said

> > > > > within about 10 days I would begin

> feeling great.  I

> > > > > have now been on it for about 6 weeks

> and have taken 20,000

> > > > > units of HCG and have blown up like a

> balloon.  I have

> > > > > added almost 15 pounds in a month and

> my legs and feet look

> > > > > like a pregnant woman's.  My wife

> jokes that I now have

> > > > > " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was

> advised I would

> > > > > begin losing weight and feel great but

> instead I am so

> > > > > bloated, tired and swoolen I can't

> believe it.  I moved

> > > > > this month, lost the doctor and will

> have no insurance for

> > > > > another month so any testing or

> follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > > for about a month or six weeks.  Now I

> wonder if I

> > > > > should just stop the HCG.  I don't get

> it.  People

> > > > > take this for weight loss.  Has anyone

> ever found that

> > > > > it causes weight gain?  Since the doc

> said it was my

> > > > > on;y option It sounds like I am

> > > > > scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since

> I

> > > > > seem to have an abnormal motabolism or

> something maybe HCG

> > > > > will not work or maybe it is just doing

> the opposite? 

> > > > > Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am

> wondering about trying

> > > > > less.  Any thoughts would be

> appreciated. 

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I do think it was all too much HCG. My total TST first tested at 44

and later retested at 120 (240-950). I have now been on the patches for about 5

days and while it is hard to tell because I am in the throws of a serious

allergy attck due to something I do think it is working. My feet have not

swelled and I can make it through the day. In fact I woke up before the alarm

for the first time in maybe a year. I think we just might have something here.

I'll post in a few days.

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > > > > Subject: HCG and weight

> > gain???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > > > Now I am really confused.  I

> > > > > > came here a few months ago when I had a

> > blood test showing

> > > > > > an incredibly low total Testosterone

> > level of (44) I am 43

> > > > > > YO now was 42 at the time. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went for a follow=up and got a lot of

> > things tested and

> > > > > > the low T was verified but not as bad

> > this time. It was

> > > > > > still very low (112) on a scale where

> > 260 is the

> > > > > > minimum.  It also showed very low FSH,

> > LH and TSH as

> > > > > > well and GF1 that I had never even

> > heard of. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With everything being low I had an MRI

> > of my brain and

> > > > > > pituiary but it was basically normal. 

> > So the doc said

> > > > > > he had no idea what was happening or

> > why but since my wife

> > > > > > and I are trying to have children and I

> > clearly need

> > > > > > testosterone, I can't take any

> > testosterone or it will shut

> > > > > > down sperm production (which is

> > actually above normal and

> > > > > > makes no sense I realize).  He said

> > there is is only

> > > > > > one " cure " until we leave child baring

> > ages and that is

> > > > > > HCG.  I know I need something as I can

> > sleep for 15

> > > > > > hours a day easily, and cold all the

> > time, tied like you

> > > > > > can't believe and can't even stand for

> > more than 5 minutes

> > > > > > or so without being wiped out (I guess

> > it is all the very

> > > > > > low T)  My free T was measured at

> > (21). 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So he prescribed 1500 units of HCG

> > twice a week and said

> > > > > > within about 10 days I would begin

> > feeling great.  I

> > > > > > have now been on it for about 6 weeks

> > and have taken 20,000

> > > > > > units of HCG and have blown up like a

> > balloon.  I have

> > > > > > added almost 15 pounds in a month and

> > my legs and feet look

> > > > > > like a pregnant woman's.  My wife

> > jokes that I now have

> > > > > > " cankles " , a new term for me?  I was

> > advised I would

> > > > > > begin losing weight and feel great but

> > instead I am so

> > > > > > bloated, tired and swoolen I can't

> > believe it.  I moved

> > > > > > this month, lost the doctor and will

> > have no insurance for

> > > > > > another month so any testing or

> > follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > > > for about a month or six weeks.  Now I

> > wonder if I

> > > > > > should just stop the HCG.  I don't get

> > it.  People

> > > > > > take this for weight loss.  Has anyone

> > ever found that

> > > > > > it causes weight gain?  Since the doc

> > said it was my

> > > > > > on;y option It sounds like I am

> > > > > > scr***ed.   Is this normal?  Since

> > I

> > > > > > seem to have an abnormal motabolism or

> > something maybe HCG

> > > > > > will not work or maybe it is just doing

> > the opposite? 

> > > > > > Is 1500 units per dose normal, I am

> > wondering about trying

> > > > > > less.  Any thoughts would be

> > appreciated. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I don't know why a Dr. would tell a man not trying to make a baby to take this

much HCG it will desenatize your Testis to LH and HCG and make you Primary.

Stop taking it for a few weeks when you feel better and if all your doing is HCG

try 100 IU's everyday.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG and weight gain???

>

> Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 2:35 PM

>

> Thanks.  I do think it was all too much HCG.  My

> total TST first tested at 44 and later retested at 120

> (240-950).  I have now been on the patches for about 5

> days and while it is hard to tell because I am in the throws

> of a serious allergy attck due to something I do think it is

> working.  My feet have not swelled and I can make it

> through the day.  In fact I woke up before the alarm

> for the first time in maybe a year.  I think we just

> might have something here.  I'll post in a few days.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > > > > > Subject: HCG

> and weight

> > > gain???

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, August 13,

> 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > > > > Now I am really confused. 

> I

> > > > > > > came here a few months ago

> when I had a

> > > blood test showing

> > > > > > > an incredibly low total

> Testosterone

> > > level of (44) I am 43

> > > > > > > YO now was 42 at the time. 

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I went for a follow=up and

> got a lot of

> > > things tested and

> > > > > > > the low T was verified but

> not as bad

> > > this time. It was

> > > > > > > still very low (112) on a

> scale where

> > > 260 is the

> > > > > > > minimum.  It also showed

> very low FSH,

> > > LH and TSH as

> > > > > > > well and GF1 that I had never

> even

> > > heard of. 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With everything being low I

> had an MRI

> > > of my brain and

> > > > > > > pituiary but it was basically

> normal. 

> > > So the doc said

> > > > > > > he had no idea what was

> happening or

> > > why but since my wife

> > > > > > > and I are trying to have

> children and I

> > > clearly need

> > > > > > > testosterone, I can't take

> any

> > > testosterone or it will shut

> > > > > > > down sperm production (which

> is

> > > actually above normal and

> > > > > > > makes no sense I realize). 

> He said

> > > there is is only

> > > > > > > one " cure " until we leave

> child baring

> > > ages and that is

> > > > > > > HCG.  I know I need

> something as I can

> > > sleep for 15

> > > > > > > hours a day easily, and cold

> all the

> > > time, tied like you

> > > > > > > can't believe and can't even

> stand for

> > > more than 5 minutes

> > > > > > > or so without being wiped out

> (I guess

> > > it is all the very

> > > > > > > low T)  My free T was

> measured at

> > > (21). 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So he prescribed 1500 units

> of HCG

> > > twice a week and said

> > > > > > > within about 10 days I would

> begin

> > > feeling great.  I

> > > > > > > have now been on it for about

> 6 weeks

> > > and have taken 20,000

> > > > > > > units of HCG and have blown

> up like a

> > > balloon.  I have

> > > > > > > added almost 15 pounds in a

> month and

> > > my legs and feet look

> > > > > > > like a pregnant woman's.  My

> wife

> > > jokes that I now have

> > > > > > > " cankles " , a new term for

> me?  I was

> > > advised I would

> > > > > > > begin losing weight and feel

> great but

> > > instead I am so

> > > > > > > bloated, tired and swoolen I

> can't

> > > believe it.  I moved

> > > > > > > this month, lost the doctor

> and will

> > > have no insurance for

> > > > > > > another month so any testing

> or

> > > follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > > > > for about a month or six

> weeks.  Now I

> > > wonder if I

> > > > > > > should just stop the HCG.  I

> don't get

> > > it.  People

> > > > > > > take this for weight loss. 

> Has anyone

> > > ever found that

> > > > > > > it causes weight gain? 

> Since the doc

> > > said it was my

> > > > > > > on;y option It sounds like I

> am

> > > > > > > scr***ed.   Is this

> normal?  Since

> > > I

> > > > > > > seem to have an abnormal

> motabolism or

> > > something maybe HCG

> > > > > > > will not work or maybe it is

> just doing

> > > the opposite? 

> > > > > > > Is 1500 units per dose

> normal, I am

> > > wondering about trying

> > > > > > > less.  Any thoughts would

> be

> > > appreciated. 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

The baby thing is part of the problem. We do want kids and it is getting late

in the game for us. The thing is the HCG was not because of those types of

issues. I was fine as far as baby making goes (oddly had a great sperm count

and am sure I will destroy that now). This doc that gave the the huge HCG (a

six month supply so not a single dose) gave it to me to raise the TST and not

become primary. But my LH was undetectible in one test and 1.2 in another

(really low), so why with everything else wrong I could still make a baby we'll

never know. Didnlt know the huge HCG dose was hurting the LH as well. Looks

like we'll adopt as I just can't function as I have been.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > > > > > > Subject: HCG

> > and weight

> > > > gain???

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Friday, August 13,

> > 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > > > > > Now I am really confused. 

> > I

> > > > > > > > came here a few months ago

> > when I had a

> > > > blood test showing

> > > > > > > > an incredibly low total

> > Testosterone

> > > > level of (44) I am 43

> > > > > > > > YO now was 42 at the time. 

> >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I went for a follow=up and

> > got a lot of

> > > > things tested and

> > > > > > > > the low T was verified but

> > not as bad

> > > > this time. It was

> > > > > > > > still very low (112) on a

> > scale where

> > > > 260 is the

> > > > > > > > minimum.  It also showed

> > very low FSH,

> > > > LH and TSH as

> > > > > > > > well and GF1 that I had never

> > even

> > > > heard of. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With everything being low I

> > had an MRI

> > > > of my brain and

> > > > > > > > pituiary but it was basically

> > normal. 

> > > > So the doc said

> > > > > > > > he had no idea what was

> > happening or

> > > > why but since my wife

> > > > > > > > and I are trying to have

> > children and I

> > > > clearly need

> > > > > > > > testosterone, I can't take

> > any

> > > > testosterone or it will shut

> > > > > > > > down sperm production (which

> > is

> > > > actually above normal and

> > > > > > > > makes no sense I realize). 

> > He said

> > > > there is is only

> > > > > > > > one " cure " until we leave

> > child baring

> > > > ages and that is

> > > > > > > > HCG.  I know I need

> > something as I can

> > > > sleep for 15

> > > > > > > > hours a day easily, and cold

> > all the

> > > > time, tied like you

> > > > > > > > can't believe and can't even

> > stand for

> > > > more than 5 minutes

> > > > > > > > or so without being wiped out

> > (I guess

> > > > it is all the very

> > > > > > > > low T)  My free T was

> > measured at

> > > > (21). 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So he prescribed 1500 units

> > of HCG

> > > > twice a week and said

> > > > > > > > within about 10 days I would

> > begin

> > > > feeling great.  I

> > > > > > > > have now been on it for about

> > 6 weeks

> > > > and have taken 20,000

> > > > > > > > units of HCG and have blown

> > up like a

> > > > balloon.  I have

> > > > > > > > added almost 15 pounds in a

> > month and

> > > > my legs and feet look

> > > > > > > > like a pregnant woman's.  My

> > wife

> > > > jokes that I now have

> > > > > > > > " cankles " , a new term for

> > me?  I was

> > > > advised I would

> > > > > > > > begin losing weight and feel

> > great but

> > > > instead I am so

> > > > > > > > bloated, tired and swoolen I

> > can't

> > > > believe it.  I moved

> > > > > > > > this month, lost the doctor

> > and will

> > > > have no insurance for

> > > > > > > > another month so any testing

> > or

> > > > follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > > > > > for about a month or six

> > weeks.  Now I

> > > > wonder if I

> > > > > > > > should just stop the HCG.  I

> > don't get

> > > > it.  People

> > > > > > > > take this for weight loss. 

> > Has anyone

> > > > ever found that

> > > > > > > > it causes weight gain? 

> > Since the doc

> > > > said it was my

> > > > > > > > on;y option It sounds like I

> > am

> > > > > > > > scr***ed.   Is this

> > normal?  Since

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > seem to have an abnormal

> > motabolism or

> > > > something maybe HCG

> > > > > > > > will not work or maybe it is

> > just doing

> > > > the opposite? 

> > > > > > > > Is 1500 units per dose

> > normal, I am

> > > > wondering about trying

> > > > > > > > less.  Any thoughts would

> > be

> > > > appreciated. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

When your on HCG it acts and looks to the brain like it's LH so your levels on

HCG LH will be very low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG and weight gain???

>

> Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 4:16 PM

> The baby thing is part of the

> problem.  We do want kids and it is getting late in the

> game for us.  The thing is the HCG was not because of

> those types of issues.  I was fine as far as baby

> making goes (oddly had a great sperm count and am sure I

> will destroy that now).  This doc that gave the the

> huge HCG (a six month supply so not a single dose) gave it

> to me to raise the TST and not become primary.  But my

> LH was undetectible in one test and 1.2 in another (really

> low), so why with everything else wrong I could still make a

> baby we'll never know.  Didnlt know the huge HCG dose

> was hurting the LH as well.  Looks like we'll adopt as

> I just can't function as I have been. 

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: Bstee

> <bstee@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject:

> HCG

> > > and weight

> > > > > gain???

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Friday,

> August 13,

> > > 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > > > > > > Now I am really

> confused. 

> > > I

> > > > > > > > > came here a few

> months ago

> > > when I had a

> > > > > blood test showing

> > > > > > > > > an incredibly low

> total

> > > Testosterone

> > > > > level of (44) I am 43

> > > > > > > > > YO now was 42 at

> the time. 

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I went for a

> follow=up and

> > > got a lot of

> > > > > things tested and

> > > > > > > > > the low T was

> verified but

> > > not as bad

> > > > > this time. It was

> > > > > > > > > still very low

> (112) on a

> > > scale where

> > > > > 260 is the

> > > > > > > > > minimum.  It also

> showed

> > > very low FSH,

> > > > > LH and TSH as

> > > > > > > > > well and GF1 that I

> had never

> > > even

> > > > > heard of. 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With everything

> being low I

> > > had an MRI

> > > > > of my brain and

> > > > > > > > > pituiary but it was

> basically

> > > normal. 

> > > > > So the doc said

> > > > > > > > > he had no idea what

> was

> > > happening or

> > > > > why but since my wife

> > > > > > > > > and I are trying to

> have

> > > children and I

> > > > > clearly need

> > > > > > > > > testosterone, I

> can't take

> > > any

> > > > > testosterone or it will shut

> > > > > > > > > down sperm

> production (which

> > > is

> > > > > actually above normal and

> > > > > > > > > makes no sense I

> realize). 

> > > He said

> > > > > there is is only

> > > > > > > > > one " cure " until we

> leave

> > > child baring

> > > > > ages and that is

> > > > > > > > > HCG.  I know I

> need

> > > something as I can

> > > > > sleep for 15

> > > > > > > > > hours a day easily,

> and cold

> > > all the

> > > > > time, tied like you

> > > > > > > > > can't believe and

> can't even

> > > stand for

> > > > > more than 5 minutes

> > > > > > > > > or so without being

> wiped out

> > > (I guess

> > > > > it is all the very

> > > > > > > > > low T)  My free T

> was

> > > measured at

> > > > > (21). 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So he prescribed

> 1500 units

> > > of HCG

> > > > > twice a week and said

> > > > > > > > > within about 10

> days I would

> > > begin

> > > > > feeling great.  I

> > > > > > > > > have now been on it

> for about

> > > 6 weeks

> > > > > and have taken 20,000

> > > > > > > > > units of HCG and

> have blown

> > > up like a

> > > > > balloon.  I have

> > > > > > > > > added almost 15

> pounds in a

> > > month and

> > > > > my legs and feet look

> > > > > > > > > like a pregnant

> woman's.  My

> > > wife

> > > > > jokes that I now have

> > > > > > > > > " cankles " , a new

> term for

> > > me?  I was

> > > > > advised I would

> > > > > > > > > begin losing weight

> and feel

> > > great but

> > > > > instead I am so

> > > > > > > > > bloated, tired and

> swoolen I

> > > can't

> > > > > believe it.  I moved

> > > > > > > > > this month, lost

> the doctor

> > > and will

> > > > > have no insurance for

> > > > > > > > > another month so

> any testing

> > > or

> > > > > follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > > > > > > for about a month

> or six

> > > weeks.  Now I

> > > > > wonder if I

> > > > > > > > > should just stop

> the HCG.  I

> > > don't get

> > > > > it.  People

> > > > > > > > > take this for

> weight loss. 

> > > Has anyone

> > > > > ever found that

> > > > > > > > > it causes weight

> gain? 

> > > Since the doc

> > > > > said it was my

> > > > > > > > > on;y option It

> sounds like I

> > > am

> > > > > > > > > scr***ed.   Is

> this

> > > normal?  Since

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > seem to have an

> abnormal

> > > motabolism or

> > > > > something maybe HCG

> > > > > > > > > will not work or

> maybe it is

> > > just doing

> > > > > the opposite? 

> > > > > > > > > Is 1500 units per

> dose

> > > normal, I am

> > > > > wondering about trying

> > > > > > > > > less.  Any

> thoughts would

> > > be

> > > > > appreciated. 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >     -fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

That's good to know (Being on HCG will cause low LH readings). The interesting

thing is my test (undetectible and later 1.2) were both in the months before I

started any treatment. I was not on TST or HCG yet. I tell you I have the most

messed up crazy system. I have low LH, Low TST, Low Free TST, Low FSH, Low GF1,

low TSH (all untreated) and the fertility doc advised my sperm count was 121M

which was like three times normal. How in the world is that possible? So they

then put me on the huge levels of HCG I got huge legs and feet and and am now

switched to TST patches and will become primary but at least I feel better so

far...I tell you I am one crazy mixed up dude.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: Bstee

> > <bstee@>

> > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > HCG

> > > > and weight

> > > > > > gain???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday,

> > August 13,

> > > > 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Now I am really

> > confused. 

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > came here a few

> > months ago

> > > > when I had a

> > > > > > blood test showing

> > > > > > > > > > an incredibly low

> > total

> > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > level of (44) I am 43

> > > > > > > > > > YO now was 42 at

> > the time. 

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I went for a

> > follow=up and

> > > > got a lot of

> > > > > > things tested and

> > > > > > > > > > the low T was

> > verified but

> > > > not as bad

> > > > > > this time. It was

> > > > > > > > > > still very low

> > (112) on a

> > > > scale where

> > > > > > 260 is the

> > > > > > > > > > minimum.  It also

> > showed

> > > > very low FSH,

> > > > > > LH and TSH as

> > > > > > > > > > well and GF1 that I

> > had never

> > > > even

> > > > > > heard of. 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With everything

> > being low I

> > > > had an MRI

> > > > > > of my brain and

> > > > > > > > > > pituiary but it was

> > basically

> > > > normal. 

> > > > > > So the doc said

> > > > > > > > > > he had no idea what

> > was

> > > > happening or

> > > > > > why but since my wife

> > > > > > > > > > and I are trying to

> > have

> > > > children and I

> > > > > > clearly need

> > > > > > > > > > testosterone, I

> > can't take

> > > > any

> > > > > > testosterone or it will shut

> > > > > > > > > > down sperm

> > production (which

> > > > is

> > > > > > actually above normal and

> > > > > > > > > > makes no sense I

> > realize). 

> > > > He said

> > > > > > there is is only

> > > > > > > > > > one " cure " until we

> > leave

> > > > child baring

> > > > > > ages and that is

> > > > > > > > > > HCG.  I know I

> > need

> > > > something as I can

> > > > > > sleep for 15

> > > > > > > > > > hours a day easily,

> > and cold

> > > > all the

> > > > > > time, tied like you

> > > > > > > > > > can't believe and

> > can't even

> > > > stand for

> > > > > > more than 5 minutes

> > > > > > > > > > or so without being

> > wiped out

> > > > (I guess

> > > > > > it is all the very

> > > > > > > > > > low T)  My free T

> > was

> > > > measured at

> > > > > > (21). 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So he prescribed

> > 1500 units

> > > > of HCG

> > > > > > twice a week and said

> > > > > > > > > > within about 10

> > days I would

> > > > begin

> > > > > > feeling great.  I

> > > > > > > > > > have now been on it

> > for about

> > > > 6 weeks

> > > > > > and have taken 20,000

> > > > > > > > > > units of HCG and

> > have blown

> > > > up like a

> > > > > > balloon.  I have

> > > > > > > > > > added almost 15

> > pounds in a

> > > > month and

> > > > > > my legs and feet look

> > > > > > > > > > like a pregnant

> > woman's.  My

> > > > wife

> > > > > > jokes that I now have

> > > > > > > > > > " cankles " , a new

> > term for

> > > > me?  I was

> > > > > > advised I would

> > > > > > > > > > begin losing weight

> > and feel

> > > > great but

> > > > > > instead I am so

> > > > > > > > > > bloated, tired and

> > swoolen I

> > > > can't

> > > > > > believe it.  I moved

> > > > > > > > > > this month, lost

> > the doctor

> > > > and will

> > > > > > have no insurance for

> > > > > > > > > > another month so

> > any testing

> > > > or

> > > > > > follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > > > > > > > for about a month

> > or six

> > > > weeks.  Now I

> > > > > > wonder if I

> > > > > > > > > > should just stop

> > the HCG.  I

> > > > don't get

> > > > > > it.  People

> > > > > > > > > > take this for

> > weight loss. 

> > > > Has anyone

> > > > > > ever found that

> > > > > > > > > > it causes weight

> > gain? 

> > > > Since the doc

> > > > > > said it was my

> > > > > > > > > > on;y option It

> > sounds like I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > scr***ed.   Is

> > this

> > > > normal?  Since

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > seem to have an

> > abnormal

> > > > motabolism or

> > > > > > something maybe HCG

> > > > > > > > > > will not work or

> > maybe it is

> > > > just doing

> > > > > > the opposite? 

> > > > > > > > > > Is 1500 units per

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No your not messed up your Secondary like myself your Pituitary is not telling

your Testis to make Testosterone by sending enough LH to them. My Pituitary is

bad from a head injury but yours can be from a tumor so you need to have an MRI

on it to rule this out. It's called Hypopituitary.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG and weight gain???

>

> Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 11:48 PM

> That's good to know (Being on HCG

> will cause low LH readings).  The interesting thing is

> my test (undetectible and later 1.2) were both in the months

> before I started any treatment.  I was not on TST or

> HCG yet.  I tell you I have the most messed up crazy

> system.  I have low LH, Low TST, Low Free TST, Low FSH,

> Low GF1, low TSH (all untreated) and the fertility doc

> advised my sperm count was 121M which was like three times

> normal.  How in the world is that possible?  So

> they then put me on the huge levels of HCG I got huge legs

> and feet and and am now switched to TST patches and will

> become primary but at least I feel better so far...I tell

> you I am one crazy mixed up dude. 

>

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From:

> Bstee

> > > <bstee@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > HCG

> > > > > and weight

> > > > > > > gain???

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> Friday,

> > > August 13,

> > > > > 2010, 2:29 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Now I am

> really

> > > confused. 

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > came here

> a few

> > > months ago

> > > > > when I had a

> > > > > > > blood test showing

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> incredibly low

> > > total

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > > level of (44) I am 43

> > > > > > > > > > > YO now

> was 42 at

> > > the time. 

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I went

> for a

> > > follow=up and

> > > > > got a lot of

> > > > > > > things tested and

> > > > > > > > > > > the low T

> was

> > > verified but

> > > > > not as bad

> > > > > > > this time. It was

> > > > > > > > > > > still

> very low

> > > (112) on a

> > > > > scale where

> > > > > > > 260 is the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> minimum.  It also

> > > showed

> > > > > very low FSH,

> > > > > > > LH and TSH as

> > > > > > > > > > > well and

> GF1 that I

> > > had never

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > heard of. 

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With

> everything

> > > being low I

> > > > > had an MRI

> > > > > > > of my brain and

> > > > > > > > > > > pituiary

> but it was

> > > basically

> > > > > normal. 

> > > > > > > So the doc said

> > > > > > > > > > > he had no

> idea what

> > > was

> > > > > happening or

> > > > > > > why but since my wife

> > > > > > > > > > > and I are

> trying to

> > > have

> > > > > children and I

> > > > > > > clearly need

> > > > > > > > > > >

> testosterone, I

> > > can't take

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > testosterone or it will shut

> > > > > > > > > > > down

> sperm

> > > production (which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > actually above normal and

> > > > > > > > > > > makes no

> sense I

> > > realize). 

> > > > > He said

> > > > > > > there is is only

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> " cure " until we

> > > leave

> > > > > child baring

> > > > > > > ages and that is

> > > > > > > > > > > HCG.  I

> know I

> > > need

> > > > > something as I can

> > > > > > > sleep for 15

> > > > > > > > > > > hours a

> day easily,

> > > and cold

> > > > > all the

> > > > > > > time, tied like you

> > > > > > > > > > > can't

> believe and

> > > can't even

> > > > > stand for

> > > > > > > more than 5 minutes

> > > > > > > > > > > or so

> without being

> > > wiped out

> > > > > (I guess

> > > > > > > it is all the very

> > > > > > > > > > > low T) 

> My free T

> > > was

> > > > > measured at

> > > > > > > (21). 

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So he

> prescribed

> > > 1500 units

> > > > > of HCG

> > > > > > > twice a week and said

> > > > > > > > > > > within

> about 10

> > > days I would

> > > > > begin

> > > > > > > feeling great.  I

> > > > > > > > > > > have now

> been on it

> > > for about

> > > > > 6 weeks

> > > > > > > and have taken 20,000

> > > > > > > > > > > units of

> HCG and

> > > have blown

> > > > > up like a

> > > > > > > balloon.  I have

> > > > > > > > > > > added

> almost 15

> > > pounds in a

> > > > > month and

> > > > > > > my legs and feet look

> > > > > > > > > > > like a

> pregnant

> > > woman's.  My

> > > > > wife

> > > > > > > jokes that I now have

> > > > > > > > > > >

> " cankles " , a new

> > > term for

> > > > > me?  I was

> > > > > > > advised I would

> > > > > > > > > > > begin

> losing weight

> > > and feel

> > > > > great but

> > > > > > > instead I am so

> > > > > > > > > > > bloated,

> tired and

> > > swoolen I

> > > > > can't

> > > > > > > believe it.  I moved

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> month, lost

> > > the doctor

> > > > > and will

> > > > > > > have no insurance for

> > > > > > > > > > > another

> month so

> > > any testing

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > follow-up with a doc is out

> > > > > > > > > > > for about

> a month

> > > or six

> > > > > weeks.  Now I

> > > > > > > wonder if I

> > > > > > > > > > > should

> just stop

> > > the HCG.  I

> > > > > don't get

> > > > > > > it.  People

> > > > > > > > > > > take this

> for

> > > weight loss. 

> > > > > Has anyone

> > > > > > > ever found that

> > > > > > > > > > > it causes

> weight

> > > gain? 

> > > > > Since the doc

> > > > > > > said it was my

> > > > > > > > > > > on;y

> option It

> > > sounds like I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > >

> scr***ed.   Is

> > > this

> > > > > normal?  Since

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > seem to

> have an

> > > abnormal

> > > > > motabolism or

> > > > > > > something maybe HCG

> > > > > > > > > > > will not

> work or

> > > maybe it is

> > > > > just doing

> > > > > > > the opposite? 

> > > > > > > > > > > Is 1500

> units per

> > > dose

> > > > > normal, I am

> > > > > > > wondering about trying

> > > > > > > > > > > less. 

> Any

> > > thoughts would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > appreciated. 

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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