Re: First blood test results on TRT

[Guest guest]

Hi Audioguy and Welcome,

Question did you shower then put the gel on and go do your labs. If you did

your labs are spike up higher then there are. We need to shower off the old gel

do labs then come home and put on the gel. If you can't do this shower put on

the gel keeping it off the area they take blood from and do the labs after 6

hrs.

I was using a lab that had a range that high when I was on Androgel and the best

I could get doing 2x's your dose was 550.

When you put on the gel the testosterone stays just under your skin feeding your

blood a little over the next 4 to 6 hrs. So doing labs just after you put on

the gel you get higher readings then you are.

But then again some men are lucky and get good levels on this starting dose how

do you feel.

Your labs look good as you can see your LH is shut down from being on TRT and in

time so will your FSH so don't waste money testing this it will allways be low

on TRT. Here is a copy of a file I made about gels.

====================================================

Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@...>

> Subject: First blood test results on TRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:56 PM

> I started Androgel 5g about 3 weeks

> ago, and had my first blood tests yesterday. Thanks to this

> group I made sure to have them test some hormones besides T,

> particularly E2. I am wondering what the members of the

> group think of these results. The only baseline level I have

> is the total T, which was 293 ng/dl.

>

> Estradiol    26 pg/ml   

> [0-44 pg/ml]

> FSH        4.1

> mUnits/ml    [1-18 mUnits/ml]

> LH        2.7

> mUnits/ml    [2-9 mUnits/ml]

> Total T        793

> ng/dl    [262-1593 ng/dl]

>

> Note: The tests were done at Sloan Memorial in New York,

> and for some reason the Total T ceiling used by Sloan is

> higher than most.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Thanks for your response.

I did shower and put on the gel before having the blood drawn. I had

specifically asked my doctor's nurse about this, and he said I should use the

gel in the morning like I normally would. I usually put some of the gel on my

upper arms but did not put any there before the test, in order to avoid direct

contamination of the needle. Next time I have blood drawn I will be sure to wait

until after the blood draw before applying the gel for that day.

Is just the FSH test a waste of time or the LH test also? I was thinking if the

LH was above zero that might mean my testicle was still producing some

testosterone and therefore might not lose its ability to produce, which from

what I gather happens when production shuts down entirely. Is this correct?

Thanks again,

Steve

>

> > From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@...>

> > Subject: First blood test results on TRT

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:56 PM

> > I started Androgel 5g about 3 weeks

> > ago, and had my first blood tests yesterday. Thanks to this

> > group I made sure to have them test some hormones besides T,

> > particularly E2. I am wondering what the members of the

> > group think of these results. The only baseline level I have

> > is the total T, which was 293 ng/dl.

> >

> > Estradiol    26 pg/ml   

> > [0-44 pg/ml]

> > FSH        4.1

> > mUnits/ml    [1-18 mUnits/ml]

> > LH        2.7

> > mUnits/ml    [2-9 mUnits/ml]

> > Total T        793

> > ng/dl    [262-1593 ng/dl]

> >

> > Note: The tests were done at Sloan Memorial in New York,

> > and for some reason the Total T ceiling used by Sloan is

> > higher than most.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Stive,

I you were using 10 grams your Dr. would see levels putting on the gel first

over 1000 and he would lower your dose. I see this all the time I talked to a

drug rep from Androgel he told me never put the gel on first do labs then use

the gel. Then he said if you work and can't do this keep the gel off the area

they take the blood and do your labs after 4 to 6 hrs best after 6 hrs.

Doing this you get at true reading how low your going it's when we fall to low

we feel bad. On 10 grams of Androgel I only could get levels of about 600 and

the lab I was using the top of the range was 1592 so this is dam low. If I were

using Quest labs like I do now it would have been at 350 with the top of range

1100.

The Testosterone stays just under your skin feeding your blood over the next 6

hrs. So once it gets through your skin it flows very far under your skin.

Doing the labs in less then 6 hrs spiked up my levels very high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@...>

> Subject: Re: First blood test results on TRT

>

> Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 1:24 AM

> Phil,

>

> Thanks for your response.

>

> I did shower and put on the gel before having the blood

> drawn. I had specifically asked my doctor's nurse about

> this, and he said I should use the gel in the morning like I

> normally would. I usually put some of the gel on my upper

> arms but did not put any there before the test, in order to

> avoid direct contamination of the needle. Next time I have

> blood drawn I will be sure to wait until after the blood

> draw before applying the gel for that day.

>

> Is just the FSH test a waste of time or the LH test also? I

> was thinking if the LH was above zero that might mean my

> testicle was still producing some testosterone and therefore

> might not lose its ability to produce, which from what I

> gather happens when production shuts down entirely. Is this

> correct?

>

> Thanks again,

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@...>

> > > Subject: First blood test results

> on TRT

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:56 PM

> > > I started Androgel 5g about 3 weeks

> > > ago, and had my first blood tests yesterday.

> Thanks to this

> > > group I made sure to have them test some hormones

> besides T,

> > > particularly E2. I am wondering what the members

> of the

> > > group think of these results. The only baseline

> level I have

> > > is the total T, which was 293 ng/dl.

> > >

> > > Estradiol    26 pg/ml   

> > > [0-44 pg/ml]

> > > FSH        4.1

> > > mUnits/ml    [1-18 mUnits/ml]

> > > LH        2.7

> > > mUnits/ml    [2-9 mUnits/ml]

> > > Total T        793

> > > ng/dl    [262-1593 ng/dl]

> > >

> > > Note: The tests were done at Sloan Memorial in

> New York,

> > > and for some reason the Total T ceiling used by

> Sloan is

> > > higher than most.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil,

I will definitely not put on the gel before my next blood test. I'm surprised I

got this bad advice.

Is my theory on the LH correct? If my LH is above zero, does that mean my

testicle is still most likely producing some T?

Steve

> > >

> > > > From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@>

> > > > Subject: First blood test results

> > on TRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:56 PM

> > > > I started Androgel 5g about 3 weeks

> > > > ago, and had my first blood tests yesterday.

> > Thanks to this

> > > > group I made sure to have them test some hormones

> > besides T,

> > > > particularly E2. I am wondering what the members

> > of the

> > > > group think of these results. The only baseline

> > level I have

> > > > is the total T, which was 293 ng/dl.

> > > >

> > > > Estradiol    26 pg/ml   

> > > > [0-44 pg/ml]

> > > > FSH        4.1

> > > > mUnits/ml    [1-18 mUnits/ml]

> > > > LH        2.7

> > > > mUnits/ml    [2-9 mUnits/ml]

> > > > Total T        793

> > > > ng/dl    [262-1593 ng/dl]

> > > >

> > > > Note: The tests were done at Sloan Memorial in

> > New York,

> > > > and for some reason the Total T ceiling used by

> > Sloan is

> > > > higher than most.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes I never seen my LH and FSH go to zero but it got way down and when this

happens your testis don't work much anymore and start to get small. I use HCG

to keep them working I use to do big shots like 500 IU's 3x's a week now I just

do enough to keep my testis alive about 150 IU's every 3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@...>

> Subject: Re: First blood test results on TRT

>

> Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 4:49 PM

> Thanks Phil,

>

> I will definitely not put on the gel before my next blood

> test. I'm surprised I got this bad advice.

>

> Is my theory on the LH correct? If my LH is above zero,

> does that mean my testicle is still most likely producing

> some T?

>

> Steve

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@>

> > > > > Subject: First blood

> test results

> > > on TRT

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:56

> PM

> > > > > I started Androgel 5g about 3 weeks

> > > > > ago, and had my first blood tests

> yesterday.

> > > Thanks to this

> > > > > group I made sure to have them test

> some hormones

> > > besides T,

> > > > > particularly E2. I am wondering what

> the members

> > > of the

> > > > > group think of these results. The only

> baseline

> > > level I have

> > > > > is the total T, which was 293 ng/dl.

> > > > >

> > > > > Estradiol    26

> pg/ml   

> > > > > [0-44 pg/ml]

> > > > > FSH   

>     4.1

> > > > > mUnits/ml   

> [1-18 mUnits/ml]

> > > > > LH   

>     2.7

> > > > > mUnits/ml   

> [2-9 mUnits/ml]

> > > > > Total T   

>     793

> > > > > ng/dl   

> [262-1593 ng/dl]

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: The tests were done at Sloan

> Memorial in

> > > New York,

> > > > > and for some reason the Total T ceiling

> used by

> > > Sloan is

> > > > > higher than most.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I received the results to my salivary cortisol test, which I did through Labrix:

07:00 AM: 5.65 (5.1-40.2)

12:50 AM: 5.70 (2.1-15.7)

07:40 PM: 0.34 (1.8-12)

10:30 PM: 0.48 (0.9-9.2)

DHEA: 56.89 (137-336)

all cortisol numbers are nmol/L, DHEA is pg/ml

The cortisol graph looks pretty sad; my results are hugging the lower limit

throughout the day. I'm thinking it's time I find a specialist in new york city

and get some more comprehensive labs going.

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@>

> > > > > > Subject: First blood

> > test results

> > > > on TRT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:56

> > PM

> > > > > > I started Androgel 5g about 3 weeks

> > > > > > ago, and had my first blood tests

> > yesterday.

> > > > Thanks to this

> > > > > > group I made sure to have them test

> > some hormones

> > > > besides T,

> > > > > > particularly E2. I am wondering what

> > the members

> > > > of the

> > > > > > group think of these results. The only

> > baseline

> > > > level I have

> > > > > > is the total T, which was 293 ng/dl.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Estradiol    26

> > pg/ml   

> > > > > > [0-44 pg/ml]

> > > > > > FSH   

> >     4.1

> > > > > > mUnits/ml   

> > [1-18 mUnits/ml]

> > > > > > LH   

> >     2.7

> > > > > > mUnits/ml   

> > [2-9 mUnits/ml]

> > > > > > Total T   

> >     793

> > > > > > ng/dl   

> > [262-1593 ng/dl]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note: The tests were done at Sloan

> > Memorial in

> > > > New York,

> > > > > > and for some reason the Total T ceiling

> > used by

> > > > Sloan is

> > > > > > higher than most.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

audioguy,

Yes this looks bad your at about stage 4 or 5 in this like at the bottom click

on the link to go to the next stage.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%201%20.html

Yes you need a good Dr. for this good luck with that most Dr.'s testing this

Endo's and all are only looking for the worest case. Like if you have 's

or Cushings what you have is called Adrenal Insufficiency don't call it Adrenal

Fatigue there is no such thing to a Dr.

Here are some links to help you out with this to under stand it and a FAQ's full

of info about treating it starting on meds even coming off them.

Before treating this going on HC meds get an ATCH stim. test done to find out if

your Primary meaning your Adrenals are over worked or Secondary like me meaning

your Pituitary dose not tell your Adrenals to work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTH_stimulation_test

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

Going on HC meds is very safe some Dr.'s read about it's use when it first came

out and the high dose being used was making people sick so read this link.

) SAFE USES OF CORTISOL by McK. Jeffries MD 3rd Edition Chapter.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses/

If your on TRT and can't find a good Dr. drive to MI. see Dr. he treats

this only needs to see you once to test and treat you by phone.

www.allthingsmale.com

There is a supplement you can by that is sheep glands 8 pills are = to 20 mgs of

Cortisol read about it in the FAQ's.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: audioguy19 <audioguy19@...>

> Subject: Re: First blood test results on TRT

>

> Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 7:50 PM

> I received the results to my salivary

> cortisol test, which I did through Labrix:

>

> 07:00 AM: 5.65 (5.1-40.2)

> 12:50 AM: 5.70 (2.1-15.7)

> 07:40 PM: 0.34 (1.8-12)

> 10:30 PM: 0.48 (0.9-9.2)

> DHEA: 56.89 (137-336)

> all cortisol numbers are nmol/L, DHEA is pg/ml

>

> The cortisol graph looks pretty sad; my results are hugging

> the lower limit throughout the day. I'm thinking it's time I

> find a specialist in new york city and get some more

> comprehensive labs going.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: audioguy19

> <audioguy19@>

> > > > > > > Subject: First

> blood

> > > test results

> > > > > on TRT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 2,

> 2011, 8:56

> > > PM

> > > > > > > I started Androgel 5g about 3

> weeks

> > > > > > > ago, and had my first blood

> tests

> > > yesterday.

> > > > > Thanks to this

> > > > > > > group I made sure to have

> them test

> > > some hormones

> > > > > besides T,

> > > > > > > particularly E2. I am

> wondering what

> > > the members

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > group think of these results.

> The only

> > > baseline

> > > > > level I have

> > > > > > > is the total T, which was 293

> ng/dl.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> Estradiol   

> 26

> > >

> pg/ml   

> > > > > > > [0-44 pg/ml]

> > > > > > >

> FSH   

> > >

>    

> 4.1

> > > > > > >

> mUnits/ml   

> > > [1-18 mUnits/ml]

> > > > > > >

> LH   

> > >

>    

> 2.7

> > > > > > >

> mUnits/ml   

> > > [2-9 mUnits/ml]

> > > > > > > Total

> T   

> > >

>    

> 793

> > > > > > >

> ng/dl   

> > > [262-1593 ng/dl]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note: The tests were done at

> Sloan

> > > Memorial in

> > > > > New York,

> > > > > > > and for some reason the Total

> T ceiling

> > > used by

> > > > > Sloan is

> > > > > > > higher than most.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >