Re: Depo T inject into stomach fat or muscle ?

[Guest guest]

First let me say Dr. Shippen dose this 70mgs every 3 days and each time he

shoots he splets the shot up into two shots. Doing 35 mgs on one side of his

belly then 35 mgs on the other side all in one day every 3 days. Doing this

keeps him more leveled and holds down his Estradiol levels.

Shooting SubQ like this does not make more Estradiol as it turns out doing Test

C subQ the oil in your fat goes into your blood more even so you don't get the

big spike in your levels after 2 days. You stay more even I don't do my shots

this way because the Oil in Test C burns most of the day in the area of fat I do

this shot. If you don't have this problem try it you will see a diff. in your

labs.

After reading about Dr. Shippen doing this I got my Dr. to let me try this and

it burns most of the day. So my Dr. told me use the small needle and shoot into

my thigh this for me works.

http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_education/pepubs/subq.pdf

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Re: Injecting testosterone subcutaneously

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STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED

WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE

INJECTIONS

M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang

Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,

Hamilton, ON, Canada

Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement

has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide

variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous

(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,

its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated

the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using

SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and

September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving

10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.

Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for

41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with

testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL

200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior

abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated

to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.

Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration

is not officially approved by Health Canada. T

levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection

during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection

in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels

were measured however; the week 12 data are still being

collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T

was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit

0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During

the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in

pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l

(p�0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T

(25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1

(27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with

no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection

of 50�100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and

stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers

fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of

medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term

clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further

evaluation.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: panther1957 <zorroceasar@...>

> Subject: Depo T inject into stomach fat or muscle ?

>

> Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:59 AM

> Hi

> Is there anybody who tried this experiment?

>

> Normaly depo T gets injected deep into the muscle.

> It has an oil base so it is manufactured to dissolve

> slowly.

>

> I see some people ,like Dr Shippen suggets, injects 70 mg

> two times per week into their stomach fat ,

> in other words doing it subq and not

> into the muscle.

>

> I know they do it in this manner to get a more even level

> of T

> during  say   a month period.

>

> BUT does this method also gives less conversion of T to

> Estradiol?

>

> Has anybody ever tried it , say inject into the muscle for

> couple of months 100mg per week. Does bloodwork and test for

> E2.

> Then following few months inject into stomach fat 100mg

> Does bloodwork and test for E2.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

when you say small needle which one do you mean?

>

> > From: panther1957 <zorroceasar@...>

> > Subject: Depo T inject into stomach fat or muscle ?

> >

> > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:59 AM

> > Hi

> > Is there anybody who tried this experiment?

> >

> > Normaly depo T gets injected deep into the muscle.

> > It has an oil base so it is manufactured to dissolve

> > slowly.

> >

> > I see some people ,like Dr Shippen suggets, injects 70 mg

> > two times per week into their stomach fat ,

> > in other words doing it subq and not

> > into the muscle.

> >

> > I know they do it in this manner to get a more even level

> > of T

> > during  say   a month period.

> >

> > BUT does this method also gives less conversion of T to

> > Estradiol?

> >

> > Has anybody ever tried it , say inject into the muscle for

> > couple of months 100mg per week. Does bloodwork and test for

> > E2.

> > Then following few months inject into stomach fat 100mg

> > Does bloodwork and test for E2.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I just started doing this. I am going to do a 8 week run and check labs. I am

hoping this also helps lower my slightly raised hemocrit levels from my last

labs.

I am doing the shots just as Phil describes, splitting the shot into 2 shots, 1

on each side, using the same needle.

I use a 25ga x 5/8 " needle without any problems. A smaller needle would be fine

too.

> >

> > > From: panther1957 <zorroceasar@>

> > > Subject: Depo T inject into stomach fat or muscle ?

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:59 AM

> > > Hi

> > > Is there anybody who tried this experiment?

> > >

> > > Normaly depo T gets injected deep into the muscle.

> > > It has an oil base so it is manufactured to dissolve

> > > slowly.

> > >

> > > I see some people ,like Dr Shippen suggets, injects 70 mg

> > > two times per week into their stomach fat ,

> > > in other words doing it subq and not

> > > into the muscle.

> > >

> > > I know they do it in this manner to get a more even level

> > > of T

> > > during  say   a month period.

> > >

> > > BUT does this method also gives less conversion of T to

> > > Estradiol?

> > >

> > > Has anybody ever tried it , say inject into the muscle for

> > > couple of months 100mg per week. Does bloodwork and test for

> > > E2.

> > > Then following few months inject into stomach fat 100mg

> > > Does bloodwork and test for E2.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The last time I heard some 7 yrs ago he used a 31g x 1/2 " lg. pin.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: Re: Depo T inject into stomach fat or muscle ?

>

> Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 2:21 AM

> when you say small needle which one

> do you mean?

>

>

> >

> > > From: panther1957 <zorroceasar@...>

> > > Subject: Depo T inject into

> stomach fat or muscle ?

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:59 AM

> > > Hi

> > > Is there anybody who tried this experiment?

> > >

> > > Normaly depo T gets injected deep into the

> muscle.

> > > It has an oil base so it is manufactured to

> dissolve

> > > slowly.

> > >

> > > I see some people ,like Dr Shippen suggets,

> injects 70 mg

> > > two times per week into their stomach fat ,

> > > in other words doing it subq and not

> > > into the muscle.

> > >

> > > I know they do it in this manner to get a more

> even level

> > > of T

> > > during  say   a month period.

> > >

> > > BUT does this method also gives less conversion

> of T to

> > > Estradiol?

> > >

> > > Has anybody ever tried it , say inject into the

> muscle for

> > > couple of months 100mg per week. Does bloodwork

> and test for

> > > E2.

> > > Then following few months inject into stomach fat

> 100mg

> > > Does bloodwork and test for E2.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

31ga ??? This seems too small for oil based injection.

I use a 27ga & it is slow to fill & shoot.

>

> The last time I heard some 7 yrs ago he used a 31g x 1/2 " lg. pin.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> <snip>

[Guest guest]

Yes I know what they do is pull the plunger all the way down and hold it until

they get the dose. I use a 27g 1ml x 1/2 " needle and shoot into my thigh don't

like doing it SubQ it stings for about an hour after for me.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gin2c <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Depo T inject into stomach fat or muscle ?

>

> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 9:18 AM

> 31ga ???  This seems too small

> for oil based injection.

> I use a 27ga & it is slow to fill & shoot.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > The last time I heard some 7 yrs ago he used a 31g x

> 1/2 " lg. pin.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

> > <snip>

>

>

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