Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 , Low testosterone would not be a side effect of taking thyroxin. Your testosterone *might* return to normal level once your thyroid medication is correct, but it depends on other factors as well. I would ask your doctor about taking some form of testosterone until your level is back to normal. Then, of course, you'd want to keep checking it from time to time. It also sounds like you are having adrenal problmes. This needs to be addressed first (before you get treatment for thyroid or anything else). Please try to get your doctor to test your adrenal function (not just cortisol but also DHEA, aldosterone, and others) to see if there is anything out of balance there. Try looking at the following web sites to learn more about the adrenal gland and possible problems: http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C17649.html http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa052801a.htm Best wishes, Celeste Codling wrote: > Hi this is a message for Celeste, My Testosterone is low in fact quite low I have not the figures to hand except for the obvious side effect could this have any thing to with seemingly having a side effect to Thyroxin. Or when the thyroxin gets back into my body will the levels get back to normal. > > I Celeste I am going to my Endo on Wednesday I Want to get armed with as much information as possible.. I seem to be come really allergic to the world since I stopped taking waferin last November. I have tried everything Armour, T3-t4 combinations they all are fine then after two weeks my right > lungs becomes so itchy I cant sleep. I have tried all the normal Astm a drugs the only thing that works is a big dose of Pregnisalone not sure of the spelling. > > I have looked on web today and saw a page saying that low cortosol levels can cause allergies to show though.!! But there again I have been told I have low Magnesium levels and if you look at that its the same side effects. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 http://www.hotzehealth-wellness.com/8-PointTreatment/TreatHRT.htm link for the below > bio-identical Hormone Replacement > Moody, PMS, headaches, menopausal? > Consider bio-identical hormone replacement therapy. Listening, > understanding, and treating hormonal problems and imbalances is our > specialty. Helping our guests achieve hormonal therapy is very > satisfying. Progesterone and the human estrogen hormones, estrone, > estradiol, and estriol, are the primary hormones of all females that > need to be in balance. So how do we know which hormone is causing > your symptoms? > > More Information on Bio-Identical Female Hormone Replacement > Therapy... > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------- > > Low Testosterone? > Men, too, can benefit dramatically from bio-identical hormone > replacement therapy. As men age, testosterone, the male hormone, > declines. This is often referred to as andropause. Symptoms of low > testosterone include lack of initiative, assertiveness, mental > sharpness and drive, elevated cholesterol, decrease in muscle mass > and strength, low libido, depressed moods and fatigue, to name a few. > Simple and effective, natural testosterone supplementation can > restore youthful energy and vitality in men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 >From: <kennio@...> >So my free testosterone is on the low end of the scale. Is it low because >of the hypothyroidism? >Will I benefit from bring that up? Is there a natural way or with >testosterone cream? What about >my hair, will I loose more hair with the testosterone? Thanks. It could be low because of low thyroid. How's your DHEA? Supplementing with DHEA does increase testosterone levels, and if it's low it should be supplemented anyway. How's your cholesterol level? Cholesterol is the building block of all the steroid hormones (testosterone, cortisol, estrogen, progesterone, pregnenolone, Vitamin D, an bile) and low cholesterol would affect production of those hormones. Only 10% of the population has total cholesterol below 180 (yet some doctors try to use statins to lower cholesterol beyond that level.) Skipper _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 I will have to check DHEA but my cholesterol is between 130-160 usually. --- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote: > >From: <kennio@...> > > >So my free testosterone is on the low end of the scale. Is it low because > >of the hypothyroidism? > >Will I benefit from bring that up? Is there a natural way or with > >testosterone cream? What about > >my hair, will I loose more hair with the testosterone? Thanks. > > > It could be low because of low thyroid. > > How's your DHEA? Supplementing with DHEA does increase testosterone levels, > and if it's low it should be supplemented anyway. > > How's your cholesterol level? Cholesterol is the building block of all the > steroid hormones (testosterone, cortisol, estrogen, progesterone, > pregnenolone, Vitamin D, an bile) and low cholesterol would affect > production of those hormones. Only 10% of the population has total > cholesterol below 180 (yet some doctors try to use statins to lower > cholesterol beyond that level.) > > Skipper > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 >From: <kennio@...> >I will have to check DHEA but my cholesterol is between 130-160 usually. Which means it's in the bottom 10% of the population. Mercola says cholesterol should be at least 200 and he has issues with low cholesterol because he has an inherited anemia, thalassemia, which causes him to have low cholesterol. Also, if your triglycerides are high, your total cholesterol would actually be overstated since they include 25% of the triglycerides in the cholesterol total. (High triglycerides of course are caused by sugar and high fructose corn syrup.) I think one reason that the steroid hormones like testosterone, estrogen and progesterone tend to be low in hypothyroidsim is that the body doesn't have the resources to convert cholesterol to the steroid hormones. Which means your hormones become low and your cholesterol elevates. But, there are those of us who always have low cholesterol in spite of hypothyroidism. It's not pleasant either, just takes a while to figure out what problems it causes as every doctor says, " your cholesterol is great! " Some say that cholesterol actually helps escort toxins like mercury outside the body, so the correct response to toxins is to elevate cholesterol. So, toxins in the body may be one cause of high cholesterol, and the doctor try to lower it. Probably why statins and similar drugs don't increase life expectancy. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Good advice Skipper except for Vit D. Vit D3 is not made by cholesterol but enables the body to make cholesterol. Vit D3 is aquired in either one of two ways. You can get a little bit from food sources like oily fish but the only true natural method is via photosynthesis in the skin through the absorbtion of UVB rays of the sun. Thirty minutes of continuous exposure of the torso and trunk on a sunny day will make anywhere between 10,000 I.U. and 15,000 I.U. of Vit D3. D3 being the natural form of Vit D made by both plants and animals. Compare that to the RDA of only 800 I.U. . Actually, Vit D3 is not a vitamin at all, it's a prehormone that is required to manufacture a whole host of hormones and was misidentified from the inception of it's discovery. Most of the population of the U.S. is Vit D3 deficient, the darker races even more so. It has been recently speculated that this may be the reason for the higher incidences of Prostate cancer amongst African American men . A rate which is almost twice that of White Americans and which is the highest incidence of Prostate cancer in the world. For a very good discussion of Vit D3 you can join and receive the newsletter of the Vitamin D council http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ it's quite interesting. Many doctors are now questioning the sunlight avoidance hysteria and for good reason. The World Health Organization just reported that skin cancer kills 60,000 people worldwide annually. That is out of a population of over 6,000,000,000 billion people. On the other hand the incidence of lung cancer worldwide annually is over 1,000,000 million, almost all of whom die within two years. It is believed by some in the medical profession that you may be avoiding a very small chance of dying from skin cancer by avoiding the sun but in return will increase your chances of contracting a highly incurable internal organ cancer in it's stead. This is actually now being hotly debated. These are questions that are now being asked but so far the U.S. government has gone from an RDA of 400 I.U. to 800 I.U. and now I believe it's up to 1,000 I.U. and this is considered the floor level that will prevent you from getting sick. Not the optimal level for wellness. The big misunderstanding that had to do with Vit D3 had to do with the question of it's toxicity. The manmade version they used to put in your milk, Vit D2 is toxic if taken in large amounts but this is not what happens when you take natural Vit D3, which is made in very large amounts in your skin. Anyway, if you are interested in Vit D3 check out the Vitamin D Council site and subscribe, it's free. BOB __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 >From: robert <wiech89@...> >Reply-iodine >iodine >Subject: Re: Testosterone >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:46:32 -0700 (PDT) > > Good advice Skipper except for Vit D. Vit D3 is not made >by cholesterol but enables the body to make cholesterol. QUOTE http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=110 Cholesterol is the basic building block of vitamin D in humans. In just the same way, when ultraviolet light hits the cells of our skin, cholesterol is converted into cholecalciferol, or vitamin D3. http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamindmiracle.html Humans do indeed manufacture vitamin D from cholesterol by the action of sunlight on the skin UNQUOTE Think there's a reason cholecalcifero (D3) and cholesterol start with the same five letters? >Many doctors are now questioning the sunlight avoidance >hysteria and for good reason. Are you sure it's " many " ? After all, won't doctor's lose money if the truth is known about Vitamin D? Not to mention those who make sunscreen with toxic ingredients that never really blocked out the waves that cause skin cancer. If you think many are going to change, you have far more faith in the medical profession. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 > > Good advice Skipper except for Vit D. Vit D3 is not made > by cholesterol but enables the body to make cholesterol. Vit > D3 is aquired in either one of two ways. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Vit D was formed by the action of the sun on skin that contained cholesterol. UV light changes cholesterol into vit D ? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 So, 30 minutes of sun on my torso daily should help to raise my cholesterol levels, right? I have been searching for a natural way to raise my cholesterol for years. I really hope this works! Thanks for the info on the vit. D counsil. Donna > > Good advice Skipper except for Vit D. Vit D3 is not made > by cholesterol but enables the body to make cholesterol. Vit > D3 is aquired in either one of two ways. You can get a little > bit from food sources like oily fish but the only true > natural method is via photosynthesis in the skin through the > absorbtion of UVB rays of the sun. Thirty minutes of > continuous exposure of the torso and trunk on a sunny day > will make anywhere between 10,000 I.U. and 15,000 I.U. of Vit > D3. D3 being the natural form of Vit D made by both plants > and animals. Compare that to the RDA of only 800 I.U. . > > Actually, Vit D3 is not a vitamin at all, it's a > prehormone that is required to manufacture a whole host of > hormones and was misidentified from the inception of it's > discovery. Most of the population of the U.S. is Vit D3 > deficient, the darker races even more so. It has been > recently speculated that this may be the reason for the > higher incidences of Prostate cancer amongst African American > men . A rate which is almost twice that of White Americans > and which is the highest incidence of Prostate cancer in the > world. For a very good discussion of Vit D3 you can join and > receive the newsletter of the Vitamin D council > http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ it's quite interesting. > > Many doctors are now questioning the sunlight avoidance > hysteria and for good reason. The World Health Organization > just reported that skin cancer kills 60,000 people worldwide > annually. That is out of a population of over 6,000,000,000 > billion people. On the other hand the incidence of lung > cancer worldwide annually is over 1,000,000 million, almost > all of whom die within two years. It is believed by some in > the medical profession that you may be avoiding a very small > chance of dying from skin cancer by avoiding the sun but in > return will increase your chances of contracting a highly > incurable internal organ cancer in it's stead. This is > actually now being hotly debated. > > These are questions that are now being asked but so far > the U.S. government has gone from an RDA of 400 I.U. to 800 > I.U. and now I believe it's up to 1,000 I.U. and this is > considered the floor level that will prevent you from getting > sick. Not the optimal level for wellness. The big > misunderstanding that had to do with Vit D3 had to do with > the question of it's toxicity. The manmade version they used > to put in your milk, Vit D2 is toxic if taken in large > amounts but this is not what happens when you take natural > Vit D3, which is made in very large amounts in your skin. > Anyway, if you are interested in Vit D3 check out the Vitamin > D Council site and subscribe, it's free. > > BOB > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 >From: " icufoundus " <icufoundus@...> >So, 30 minutes of sun on my torso daily should help to raise my >cholesterol levels, right? I have been searching for a natural way >to raise my cholesterol for years. I really hope this works! Thanks >for the info on the vit. D counsil. >Donna Mercola said he raised his with raw egg yolks and cod liver oil. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 I needed adrenal/thyroid/sex hormones so I am a big big fan of hormones. I think testosterone is absolutely marvelous and essential---just get the right dose--not " some " but enough. No, like any other homrone it will replace what isn't there. It won't be detrimental to your boys. Gracia Since my thread veered off subject and ain't coming back, please change the subject line. Any other thoughts on just supplementing testosterone to pull my levels up quickly or will this stop my body from producing it effectively; thus rendering my boys useless. --- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote: > >From: " icufoundus " <icufoundus@...> > > >So, 30 minutes of sun on my torso daily should help to raise my > >cholesterol levels, right? I have been searching for a natural way > >to raise my cholesterol for years. I really hope this works! Thanks > >for the info on the vit. D counsil. > >Donna > > Mercola said he raised his with raw egg yolks and cod liver oil. > > Skipper > > __________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Your assumption is correct. UV light changes egosterol, a component of cholesterol, into vitamin D which is actually a hormone, not a true vitamin. The light stimulates the production of the hormone which is required for the calcium and phosphorous to be absorbed through the gut wall. It is important that UV light also enter the eye without any barriers such as any form of glass or glass contacts. Plastic is OK unless it is coated to block out UV. Contrary to popular belief, UV light does not damage the eye nor does it cause cataracts. It is the light on the other end of the spectrum that cooks the ocular fluid forming cataracts. This was once called 'Glass Blower's Disease' because of the infrared. Sorry about this format, I have no control over it. -- Re: Testosterone > > Good advice Skipper except for Vit D. Vit D3 is not made > by cholesterol but enables the body to make cholesterol. Vit > D3 is aquired in either one of two ways. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Vit D was formed by the action of the sun on skin that contained cholesterol. UV light changes cholesterol into vit D ? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Well, it depends on the time of year. That won't work anywhere in the US in winter because there isn't enough UV-B. It also depends on your skin tone. If you have dark skin it might take longer than 30 minutes. Full body sun is better. (swim suit etc.). I don't know how long it would take for you to get enough if you are very deficient. It might be a good idea for you to get a 25 hydroxy vitamin D test to find out. I don't think it is very expensive to find out what your levels actually are. Many of us involved in WAP take cod liver oil and/or eat liver regularly to keep our vitamin D levels up even in the summer time. Irene At 10:05 AM 7/30/2006, you wrote: >So, 30 minutes of sun on my torso daily should help to raise my >cholesterol levels, right? I have been searching for a natural way >to raise my cholesterol for years. I really hope this works! Thanks >for the info on the vit. D counsil. >Donna > > > > > > Good advice Skipper except for Vit D. Vit D3 is not made > > by cholesterol but enables the body to make cholesterol. Vit > > D3 is aquired in either one of two ways. You can get a little > > bit from food sources like oily fish but the only true > > natural method is via photosynthesis in the skin through the > > absorbtion of UVB rays of the sun. Thirty minutes of > > continuous exposure of the torso and trunk on a sunny day > > will make anywhere between 10,000 I.U. and 15,000 I.U. of Vit > > D3. D3 being the natural form of Vit D made by both plants > > and animals. Compare that to the RDA of only 800 I.U. . > > > > Actually, Vit D3 is not a vitamin at all, it's a > > prehormone that is required to manufacture a whole host of > > hormones and was misidentified from the inception of it's > > discovery. Most of the population of the U.S. is Vit D3 > > deficient, the darker races even more so. It has been > > recently speculated that this may be the reason for the > > higher incidences of Prostate cancer amongst African American > > men . A rate which is almost twice that of White Americans > > and which is the highest incidence of Prostate cancer in the > > world. For a very good discussion of Vit D3 you can join and > > receive the newsletter of the Vitamin D council > > <http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/>http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ it's > quite interesting. > > > > Many doctors are now questioning the sunlight avoidance > > hysteria and for good reason. The World Health Organization > > just reported that skin cancer kills 60,000 people worldwide > > annually. That is out of a population of over 6,000,000,000 > > billion people. On the other hand the incidence of lung > > cancer worldwide annually is over 1,000,000 million, almost > > all of whom die within two years. It is believed by some in > > the medical profession that you may be avoiding a very small > > chance of dying from skin cancer by avoiding the sun but in > > return will increase your chances of contracting a highly > > incurable internal organ cancer in it's stead. This is > > actually now being hotly debated. > > > > These are questions that are now being asked but so far > > the U.S. government has gone from an RDA of 400 I.U. to 800 > > I.U. and now I believe it's up to 1,000 I.U. and this is > > considered the floor level that will prevent you from getting > > sick. Not the optimal level for wellness. The big > > misunderstanding that had to do with Vit D3 had to do with > > the question of it's toxicity. The manmade version they used > > to put in your milk, Vit D2 is toxic if taken in large > > amounts but this is not what happens when you take natural > > Vit D3, which is made in very large amounts in your skin. > > Anyway, if you are interested in Vit D3 check out the Vitamin > > D Council site and subscribe, it's free. > > > > BOB > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 > > Since my thread veered off subject and ain't coming back, please change the subject line. Any > other thoughts on just supplementing testosterone to pull my levels up quickly or will this stop > my body from producing it effectively; thus rendering my boys useless. Some people think supplementation with the gel is great. I got shots for a couple years before thyroid treatment. Didn't need it after. I did find when I supplemented my low DHEA, my testosterone levels went up but I didn't feel significantly better. (I read somewhere that those with low cholesterol don't feel better when they take DHEA, but I can't find the link again, and I'm not sure of the logic.) A controversial thought, Dr. Lee was an expet in the use of bio-identical progesteron. He started pushing it and lecturing across the country telling how in his female patients, it would reverse osteoporosis, and had a lot of other good functions to it. Near the end of his life, he instructed about male hormones a bit, even wrote a small pamplet on hormone therapy for men. One of the things he said was if a man had a vasectomy (yes there are side effects, usually ignored and nor mentioned), testosterone production from the testes was frequently shut down, and rubbing progesterone on the scrotum would reverse that. Progesterone is both a male and a female hormone, as testosterone is made from it. Skipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 I lost my faith long, long ago my friend. BOB __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 men are scared away from testosterone b/c they think it is linked to cancer, but this isn't true. Gracia > > Since my thread veered off subject and ain't coming back, please change the subject line. Any > other thoughts on just supplementing testosterone to pull my levels up quickly or will this stop > my body from producing it effectively; thus rendering my boys useless. Some people think supplementation with the gel is great. I got shots for a couple years before thyroid treatment. Didn't need it after. I did find when I supplemented my low DHEA, my testosterone levels went up but I didn't feel significantly better. (I read somewhere that those with low cholesterol don't feel better when they take DHEA, but I can't find the link again, and I'm not sure of the logic.) A controversial thought, Dr. Lee was an expet in the use of bio-identical progesteron. He started pushing it and lecturing across the country telling how in his female patients, it would reverse osteoporosis, and had a lot of other good functions to it. Near the end of his life, he instructed about male hormones a bit, even wrote a small pamplet on hormone therapy for men. One of the things he said was if a man had a vasectomy (yes there are side effects, usually ignored and nor mentioned), testosterone production from the testes was frequently shut down, and rubbing progesterone on the scrotum would reverse that. Progesterone is both a male and a female hormone, as testosterone is made from it. Skipper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 > ; thus > rendering my boys useless. Well, Kramer There's always boxers Abbe __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Right on. Dr. Lee who wrote " What Your Dr. May Not Have Told You About Breast Cancer " also wrote " Hormone Balance for Men " , a booklet for $15. Debunks testosterone as prostate cancer antagonist and says taking it away medically (thus castrating) is NOT the thing to do. Says take progesterone to counter the estrogen dominance that happens in men as they age and testosterone drops leaving the estrogen, that was always there, in place and dominant. On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Gracia wrote: > men are scared away from testosterone b/c they think it is linked to > cancer, but this isn't true. > Gracia Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Here's his web site: http://www.johnleemd.com/ On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Gracia wrote: > men are scared away from testosterone b/c they think it is linked to > cancer, but this isn't true. > Gracia Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 >From: Parashis <artpages@...> >Right on. Dr. Lee who wrote " What Your Dr. May Not Have Told You >About Breast Cancer " also wrote " Hormone Balance for Men " , a booklet >for $15. Debunks testosterone as prostate cancer antagonist and says >taking it away medically (thus castrating) is NOT the thing to do. Says >take progesterone to counter the estrogen dominance that happens in men >as they age and testosterone drops leaving the estrogen, that was >always there, in place and dominant. Not just progesterone. Also transdermal tesosterone. Like with female hormones, there are bio-identical issues. He said to have your doctor write a prescription for the compounding pharmacist, and use REAL testosterone, not methyltestosterone. Men have estrogen too, and just like in women, fat cells make estrogen. Actually, that's kind of a catch-22 as estrogen puts on fat, and fat puts out estrogen. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hi Michele, I am more curious then helpful on this subject. Why would they use testosterone for this? Would it cause the penis to enlarge somewhat and pull the 'bad' circ job into a better shape? Just guessing...inquiring minds and all. ;-) I have used testosterone/estridiol/progesterone cream on my dd's labia for lichen sclerosis. With that condition the labia fuses into the surrounding skin until it appears to be totally gone! The hormones unfuse the skin almost magically. ;o) She did sprout some little black pubic hair on her mons after a full year of use, but once we cut out the testosterone, they disappeared and she had no other symptoms. Course the larger side effect with increasing sex hormones is growth issues all over the body. One of my boys had a less then perfect circ too. It was crooked and kind of pulled the glans in an odd manner. All we did was use vaseline and gently roll that side down with each diaper change. It naturally righted itself between doing that and those naturally occurring erections little boys get. My apologies to anyone reading this not accustomed to discussing genitals in a public manner. :-) Carol in IL Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, chronic constipation ( cured now ) and DS. My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Testosterone Has anyone with boys done the surgery for correcting a bad circumcision? If so, at what age? Also, has anyone opted for testosterone injections?We are getting a second opinion from a urologist next week for my son and I wanted to go to the appointment with some information.Thanks,Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hi I've been a lurker til now. I know many of you.Godd to see you all. I have a son, age 11. My concerns were that his penis did not hang down like his brothers or dad.It seemed like it was pushed in and wouldn't come out or down. The pediatrician was no help. The urologist undid 's diaper causing to urinate. The urologist smiled and said that is the main case for concern is that the child won't be able to urinate. The inproperly done circumcision would be just fine as the child gets older or we could have the circumcision done again. Age 5-6 we noticed him " hanging down " more often. He is fine now with no intervention. He just needed to grow and let gravity take its course, I guess. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Carol in IL Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, chronic constipation ( cured now ) and DS. My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Carol,My son needs to have a procedure done called the de-gloving of the penis. His circumsicion was so bad that the skin may actually grow over the hole in his penis which may prevent him from being able to urinate. This is not a risk that we are willing to take. I have been told that circumsicion often goes badly with boys with DS because the penis is typically so small and is harder to work with. A friend of mine was told by Dr. Lebel, the geneticist who used to practice in IL, that boys with DS do not produce the hormone that tells the penis to grow. I have no idea if this is true. The testosterone injections would help to enlarge the penis, but would not prevent my son from needing the surgery. I had never heard this before about DS. Wonder why they don't suggest not circumcising boys or waiting til they are older to do it? The urologists that we have seen have recommended that we pull down the skin 6-8 times a day. Well, my son is 4 now and I am just not comfortable with that. You know that our kids remember everything. He gets very upset now when I pull the skin down for him. I can relate to this. Had to pull the labia minora from the labie majora a few times a day too. :-( Besides feeling just plain odd about being so up close and personal with my dd's tush, it was not fun for her either. We did it with something fun on TV and tried real hard to distract her and make it silly. I still have to be up close and personal with her tush and now she could care less...and thankfully, she does NOT allow just anyone to get near her bottom. So it can be done, it's hard, but sometimes it goes better then you think it might. Did they recomend using vaseline to help prevent the skin from adhering quickly? Might reduce the number of times you have to pull down or the time it takes to resolve. My fear is the possible side effects of testosterone injections. You mentioned that the larger side effect with increasing sex hormones is growth issues all over the body. So are you saying that pubic hair and other puberty-type changes will possibly be the result of these injections? And they may stop after the injections are completed? I have also read that irritablity is one other side effect.Yes, I too am sorry if this discussion makes anyone uncomfortable. I honestly don't know. All kids produce those hormones and I would imagine they would keep a very close watch on levels for side effects. I doubt the injections would cause that. She developed the hair because of the concentrated amount being placed ON the skin. It wasn't systemic at all. Just triggered hair growth in that little area, and this was afer a full year of use. I wonder why they don't just use testosterone cream right on the penis? Maybe they would have to use a large amount to get the results? And maybe that would be too hard to control the dosage... I am just guessing here. I know one guy with LS who used the combo cream on his foreskin in an effort to get it to unfuse. I don't know if he was ever succesful in that or not or just decided to be circumcised, which totally cures LS in men. Wish it where that easy in the girls! I am sorry you are having to deal with all this. Of all the things has had , the issues on her bottom have been some of the hardest just due to their 'delicate' nature- in more ways then one! Glad you can talk about though, that is a real hard thing for many who have or take of someone who has serious issues with the genitals. Thanks,Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 > > Hi > > I am autoimmune and adrenally fatigued. > > I know this is a little off topic but I was wondering does anyone here take testosterone? I have low levels and was considering supplementing. Will me taking testosterone inhibit my own body's production? I am worried if I start I might find it difficult to stop and have to take it for the rest of my life. > > I am finding it difficult to get any decent info on the internet. > > Thanks > > I am guess you are male. I would check out the realthyroidhelp.com forums and go to the male section and read up on there. You can also go to the mesorx forums in the mens health section. If you email me at mebigusmall I will give you another forum that might be of even more help. but there is a ton of info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Hi I saw an interesting UK site the other day that deals with testosterone issues..... http://www.androids.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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