Re: HCT up again

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Did your Dr. see your new labs we can't tell you what to do we are not Dr.'s.

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Phil

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: HCT up again

> " " < >

> Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

> Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

> while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50 after I quit

> it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half the dose,

> 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not s good

> value!

>

> Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also " icing "

> sensation in the top of my head!

>

> I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit Vitamin E a

> few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my vit/min

> levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I start it

> today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2 months ago

> while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

>

> :-(

>

> age 31 in Norway

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

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[Guest guest]

No, neither my GP nor Hertoghe saw my latest Hematology labs.

I don't know what to say or do or think.

My heart just stopped beating for 3-4 seconds then went on slowly. I don't know

what's going on with me.

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: HCT up again

> " " < >

> Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

> Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

> while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50 after I quit

> it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half the dose,

> 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not s good

> value!

>

> Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also " icing "

> sensation in the top of my head!

>

> I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit Vitamin E a

> few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my vit/min

> levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I start it

> today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2 months ago

> while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

>

> :-(

>

> age 31 in Norway

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

>

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>      

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[Guest guest]

That is a long time are you sure it was this long maybe you need to go to the

ER.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > From: <gibcast@...>

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> > Subject: HCT up again

>

> > " "

> < >

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> > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

>

> > Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

>

> > while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50 after I

> quit

>

> > it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half the

> dose,

>

> > 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not s

> good

>

> > value!

>

> >

>

> > Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also " icing "

>

> > sensation in the top of my head!

>

> >

>

> > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit Vitamin E

> a

>

> > few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my

> vit/min

>

> > levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I start

> it

>

> > today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2

> months ago

>

> > while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> >

>

> > Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

>

> >

>

> > :-(

>

> >

>

> > age 31 in Norway

>

> >

>

> > Sendt fra min iPhone

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Maybe 2-3 seconds, but it was still something that felt like a long time. Maybe

it was " just " an extra systole, but point is: It never happened til 2008 and up.

Something changed and I don't know what. Maybe it's just adrenals and the

control of electrolytes... Who knows, right? Do you think I need to go to the

ER? :\

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> > From: <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: HCT up again

>

> > " "

> < >

>

> > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

>

> > Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

>

> > while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50 after I

> quit

>

> > it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half the

> dose,

>

> > 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not s

> good

>

> > value!

>

> >

>

> > Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also " icing "

>

> > sensation in the top of my head!

>

> >

>

> > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit Vitamin E

> a

>

> > few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my

> vit/min

>

> > levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I start

> it

>

> > today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2

> months ago

>

> > while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> >

>

> > Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

>

> >

>

> > :-(

>

> >

>

> > age 31 in Norway

>

> >

>

> > Sendt fra min iPhone

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I have all kinds of crap happen to me when I have a panic attack are you having

them. You get short of breath sweat have chest pain don't know what to do with

your self.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > > From: <gibcast@...>

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> > > Subject: HCT up again

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> >

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> > > " "

>

> > < >

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> >

>

> > > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

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> >

>

> > > Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

>

> >

>

> > > while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50

> after I

>

> > quit

>

> >

>

> > > it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half

> the

>

> > dose,

>

> >

>

> > > 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not

> s

>

> > good

>

> >

>

> > > value!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also

> " icing "

>

> >

>

> > > sensation in the top of my head!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit

> Vitamin E

>

> > a

>

> >

>

> > > few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my

>

> > vit/min

>

> >

>

> > > levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I

> start

>

> > it

>

> >

>

> > > today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2

>

> > months ago

>

> >

>

> > > while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

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> > > :-(

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> > > age 31 in Norway

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[Guest guest]

I ad them before. Bit I havent had them in a few years. This is something

Else.... :/ I have a BP of 121/68/66 now.

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Den 8. okt. 2010 kl. 23.12 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

I have all kinds of crap happen to me when I have a panic attack are you having

them. You get short of breath sweat have chest pain don't know what to do with

your self.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > > From: <gibcast@...>

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> > > Subject: HCT up again

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> >

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> > > " "

>

> > < >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

>

> >

>

> > > Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

>

> >

>

> > > while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50

> after I

>

> > quit

>

> >

>

> > > it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half

> the

>

> > dose,

>

> >

>

> > > 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not

> s

>

> > good

>

> >

>

> > > value!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also

> " icing "

>

> >

>

> > > sensation in the top of my head!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit

> Vitamin E

>

> > a

>

> >

>

> > > few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my

>

> > vit/min

>

> >

>

> > > levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I

> start

>

> > it

>

> >

>

> > > today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2

>

> > months ago

>

> >

>

> > > while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > :-(

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> >

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> > >

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> > > age 31 in Norway

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> > > Sendt fra min iPhone

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[Guest guest]

Well I hope today your feeling better your BP is not bad a little low I have it

this low most mornings but I am on meds for it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > > > From: <gibcast@...>

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> > > > Subject: HCT up again

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " "

> >

> > > < >

> >

> > >

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> > > > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and

> 50

> > after I

> >

> > > quit

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than

> half

> > the

> >

> > > dose,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is

> not

> > s

> >

> > > good

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > value!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and

> also

> > " icing "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > sensation in the top of my head!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I

> quit

> > Vitamin E

> >

> > > a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check

> my

> >

> > > vit/min

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should

> I

> > start

> >

> > > it

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > today? I had an above top range Vitamin E

> like 2

> >

> > > months ago

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > while on 400 iu E daily.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > :-(

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> > > > age 31 in Norway

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> > > > Sendt fra min iPhone

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[Guest guest]

Sounds to me like you are having PVC's.

Many people get them, but it should not stop for more than a second.

IF it does, or happens every 3 to 4 beats you need to see a cardiologist right

away, or go to the ER.

Take some sea salt,......low sodium can also cause frequent PVC's.

If they stop after the salt, you pretty much know that is the cause.

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> > From: <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: HCT up again

>

> > " " < >

>

> > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

>

> > Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

>

> > while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50 after I quit

>

> > it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half the dose,

>

> > 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not s good

>

> > value!

>

> >

>

> > Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also " icing "

>

> > sensation in the top of my head!

>

> >

>

> > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit Vitamin E a

>

> > few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my vit/min

>

> > levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I start it

>

> > today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2 months ago

>

> > while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> >

>

> > Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

>

> >

>

> > :-(

>

> >

>

> > age 31 in Norway

>

> >

>

> > Sendt fra min iPhone

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

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> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

I've had this every once in a while, like at least once every week, for almsot 3

years now. But they differ in behavior.. The one I had yesterday was scary in

that way that the heart " tumble-fell " for a second or two, then NOTHING for at

least 2 seconds, maybe 3... Then it started beating again, very calmly. Not with

a BANG like it usually does when it goes back into normal-mode.

Wonder what the x-factor is...

From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

Subject: Re: HCT up again

Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 5:16 PM

 

Sounds to me like you are having PVC's.

Many people get them, but it should not stop for more than a second.

IF it does, or happens every 3 to 4 beats you need to see a cardiologist right

away, or go to the ER.

Take some sea salt,......low sodium can also cause frequent PVC's.

If they stop after the salt, you pretty much know that is the cause.

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> > From: <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: HCT up again

>

> > " " < >

>

> > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 1:59 PM

>

> > Well HCT is up to 54.. It was 60

>

> > while on 2 pumps T-gel (200 mg testo) - and 50 after I quit

>

> > it for 4 weeks. Now I've been on less than half the dose,

>

> > 3/4 pump (75 mg) and it's up again.... 54 is not s good

>

> > value!

>

> >

>

> > Whatdo I do? I have pain in my head and also " icing "

>

> > sensation in the top of my head!

>

> >

>

> > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily. I quit Vitamin E a

>

> > few weeks ago, alpng with K2 and D3 to check my vit/min

>

> > levels. I know Vitamin E thins blood. Should I start it

>

> > today? I had an above top range Vitamin E like 2 months ago

>

> > while on 400 iu E daily.

>

> >

>

> > Doesnt K2 also Thin blood?

>

> >

>

> > :-(

>

> >

>

> > age 31 in Norway

>

> >

>

> > Sendt fra min iPhone

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

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> >

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[Guest guest]

If your description is truly accurate, you need medical help.

Unless you have certain devices around, you really don't know how long it

stopped for. Anxiety would make it seem worse than it was, and I tend to think

you have some of that.

All I can say is what I said before,....if you really think your heart is

'stopping' for up to 3 seconds you need medical attention right away.

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> I've had this every once in a while, like at least once every week, for almsot

3 years now. But they differ in behavior.. The one I had yesterday was scary in

that way that the heart " tumble-fell " for a second or two, then NOTHING for at

least 2 seconds, maybe 3... Then it started beating again, very calmly. Not with

a BANG like it usually does when it goes back into normal-mode.

> Wonder what the x-factor is...

>

>

[Guest guest]

It happened once yesterday, nothing so far today.

Electrolytes seem fine, calcium is a bit high, a bit above the top range.

This COULD be Reverse T3 blocking T3. I don't think the ER could help me with

that.

I was very calm when it happened. It could've been 2 seconds, but not 1. I

remember thinking " wow, this is long, will it start again? " - So I actually had

the time to think that sentence before it started again...

It's more than 24 hours since it happened. And I haven't had any huge issues

since. I know my FT3 is too low, it's below midrange. Maybe I should just take

more ERFA Thyroid and see if it helps somehow???

Maybe I am just low on T3/FT3?? My pulse is between 70 and 80 normally. When I

wake up in the mornings, however, it has gotten lower at late 50s.

From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

Subject: Re: HCT up again

Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 7:56 PM

 

If your description is truly accurate, you need medical help.

Unless you have certain devices around, you really don't know how long it

stopped for. Anxiety would make it seem worse than it was, and I tend to think

you have some of that.

All I can say is what I said before,....if you really think your heart is

'stopping' for up to 3 seconds you need medical attention right away.

>

> I've had this every once in a while, like at least once every week, for almsot

3 years now. But they differ in behavior.. The one I had yesterday was scary in

that way that the heart " tumble-fell " for a second or two, then NOTHING for at

least 2 seconds, maybe 3... Then it started beating again, very calmly. Not with

a BANG like it usually does when it goes back into normal-mode.

> Wonder what the x-factor is...

>

>

[Guest guest]

One way to tell if your electrolytes are OK is to run your finger accross your

tongue it should slide accross it very easy not feel rugh or dry.

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Regulation and Actions of Aldosterone

Adrenal Fatigue and Craving for Salt

As mentioned in the " Anatomy " section, aldosterone is manufactured in the zona

glomerulosa of the adrenal cortex. Like cortisol, aldosterone follows a diurnal

pattern of secretion with its major peak at around 8:00 AM and major low between

midnight and 4:00 AM. Also like cortisol, its production and secretion increases

and decreases in response to stimulation of the adrenal cortex by ACTH. This

means that aldosterone levels generally rise in stressful situations. However,

aldosterone is not part of the negative feedback loop controlling its release.

Instead, it depends on the negative feedback loop in which cortisol levels

trigger ACTH activity. This means that cortisol determines the amount of ACTH

which controls production of both cortisol and aldosterone with aldosterone

having no say in the matter.

The only thing the cells that produce aldosterone can do to regulate production

is to alter their sensitivity to ACTH. Therefore, after about 24 hours, the

adrenal cells of the zona glomerulosa become less sensitive to the demands of

ACTH and stop manufacturing more aldosterone. The amount of circulating

aldosterone then begins to decrease, even though the ACTH levels are high and

the need for increased amounts of aldosterone may continue. This decreased

production continues until the cells of the zona glomerulosa recover their

sensitivity to ACTH, but in the meantime the decreased aldosterone leads to many

of the symptoms of adrenal fatigue.

Aldosterone is the most important mineralocorticoid, but corticosterone and

desoxycorticosterone are also included in this category. The effects of

aldosterone depletion can be observed in a large number of hypoadrenic persons.

Aldosterone depletion may create one or more different symptoms which are

specifically related to the diminished mineralocorticoid levels.

In the chronically stressed person, the levels of sodium and chlorides in the

urine should be measured as well as the specific gravity in the urine. Chlorides

in the urine are measured by Koenisburg's test. This test also provides

information of the sodium levels being excreted in the urine. Excessive sodium

in the urine is one of the first clues that a person has a hypoadrenic problem.

Aldosterone is responsible for the maintenance of fluid (water) and the

concentration of certain minerals (sodium, potassium, magnesium and chloride) in

the blood, the interstitial fluid (area between the cells) and inside the cells.

Working with other hormones such as anti-diuretic hormone from the pituitary and

rennin and angiotensin I and II from the kidneys, aldosterone keeps the fluid

balance and salt concentration intact, in roughly the same concentration as sea

water. In the blood and interstitial fluid, sodium is the most dominant of the

four minerals. Inside the cells, potassium has the highest concentration. These

four minerals are called electrolytes because they carry minute electrical

charges. These electrolytes are very important for proper cell function and

fluid properties and they must remain in a relatively constant ratio to each

other and to the body fluids. Small deviations in their ratios to each other, or

to their concentration in the body fluids, means alterations in the properties

of the fluid, the cell membrane and the biochemical reactions within the cell.

In fact, most of the physiological reactions in the body depend in some way on

the flow or concentration of electrolytes.

Aldosterone, in times of stress is the major director of these relationships by

its influence on sodium and water concentrations. Although this interaction is

somewhat complex, the overall process is easy to understand if you just keep an

eye on the sodium in relation to aldosterone. As the concentration of

aldosterone rises, the concentration of sodium rises in the blood and

interstitial fluid. Wherever sodium goes, so follows water.

In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack of

adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium, potassium

and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions are normal,

potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When aldosterone is high,

sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body.

However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from your

bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the urine. When

sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some loss of

volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless the condition

worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50% of its original

concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium or sodium restriction

in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny fluctuations in blood

sodium concentration have a significant effect o blood volume when sodium is

depleted to this level.

When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating salt-containing

foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your interstitial fluids into

the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and water volume from getting too

low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled from the interstitial fluids, the small

amount of sodium in the cells begins to migrate out of the cells into the

interstitial fluid.

The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to maintain

its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled from the cell,

water follows the sodium out.

This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In addition, in

order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant, potassium

then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has minimum

requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and water necessary

for its proper function. When these requirements are not met, cell function

suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be careful

how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid without adequate

sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will dilute the amount of

sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need salt to absorb fluids

because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell before water can be pulled

back across the membrane into the cell.

When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in this

situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft drinks or

electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they are high in

potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low cortisol

levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte replacement drinks are

designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when exercising, not

people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead, yo are much better off

having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in it, or eating something

salty with water to help replenish both sodium and fluid volume.

In a nation of people suffering from adrenal fatigue, the fast food restaurants

come to the rescue. Such restaurants use an excessive amount of salt in their

foods; a custom left-over from the old road houses where lots of salt was used

in the food to stimulate appetites and whet the thirst (for alcohol, the biggest

profit item). Although not a good solution, it supplies " emergency " rations

daily to people living in marginal health. It averts the crisis and replenishes

their supplies for another few hours.

When your aldosterone levels are low and you are dehydrated and sodium

deficient, you may also crave potassium because your body is sending you the

message that your cells are low on potassium as well as sodium and water.

However, after consuming only a small amount of potassium containing foods or

beverages (fruit, fruit juice, sodas and commercial electrolyte replacement

drinks), you will probably feel worse because the potassium/sodium ration will

be further disrupted.

What you really need in this situation is a combination of all three, water,

salt and potassium in the right proportions. One of the easiest ways to

accomplish this is to drink small repeated doses of water accompanied by a

little food sprinkled with kelp powder. Kelp powder contains both potassium and

sodium in an easily assimilated form. Depending upon taste and symptoms, extra

salt can be added. Sea salt is a better choice than regular refined table salt,

because it contains trace amounts of other minerals in addition to the sodium.

Another choice is to drink a vegetable juice blend containing some celery and

chard and diluted with purified water.

Usually, within 24-48 hours, your hydration and electrolyte balance will have

stabilized enough that you can proceed to an adrenal-supporting diet. You must

continue to be careful to drink salted water or vegetable juices 2-4 times

during the day, varying the amount of salt according to your taste, and you

should avoid potassium-containing foods in the morning when your cortisol and

aldosterone levels are low. Never eat or drink electrolyte-depleting or diuretic

foods and beverages such as alcohol and coffee, especially if you have been out

in the sun or are otherwise dehydrated. One of the problems people with adrenal

fatigue constantly deal with is a mild dehydration and sodium depletion.

When there is inadequate aldosterone, the kidney allows sodium, chlorides and

water to spill into the urine, and maintains ionic balance by retaining, rather

than excreting, potassium. Some of these low aldosterone persons present with

symptoms of dehydration. The appearance of the tongue is one of the easily

monitored indicators of dehydration. Normally, one should feel considerable

slickness when running a finger down the protruded tongue of a person. It should

slide easily across the tongue like a cube of ice across a wet piece of waxed

paper. If the tongue is rough like sandpaper, or if you feel friction, with your

finger catching or sticking to the tongue's surface, it is an indication of

inadequate tissue hydration. The person needs more water intake.

The person may report excessive urination, up to 15 or 20 times daily. Likewise,

due to the effect of aldosterone on the sweat glands, the person may report

excessive perspiration or perspiration with little or no physical activity. The

common factor in all of these persons is a weakness of sartorius, gracilis,

posterior tibialis, gastrocnemius, or soleus, and a background of some type of

stress.

A person with lowered aldosterone may also demonstrate other symptoms. For a

nervous system action potential to take place there must be an adequate supply

of sodium on the outside of the cell membrane and an adequate supply of

potassium inside the cell. They must be balanced. If this balance is undermined

by a loss of sodium and retention of potassium, the nervous system will find it

difficult to propagate normal action potentials and maintain itself at a good

functional level. This may result in a wide variety of symptoms, including

muscle twitches and even cardiac arrhythmias (heart palpitations).

With a chronic sodium-potassium imbalance, the person will show the sign of a

paradoxical pupillary reflex. Normally, shining a light into a person's eye will

cause the pupil to constrict. This papillary constriction to light should be

able to maintain itself for at least 30 seconds. In the hypoadrenic person

(especially in the exhaustion stage of the GAS) you will find one of three

things:

1. The pupil will fluctuate opened and closed in response to light.

2. The pupil will fluctuate opened and closed in response to light. (This is a

deliberate opening and closing, not the minor flutter or twitch of the normally

encountered hippus activity.)

3. The pupil will initially constrict to light, but it will dilate paradoxically

with continued light stimulation of less than 30 seconds. This patient will

frequently complain of eyes that are sensitive to light (such as when going from

indoors to outside on a sunny day) or will be seen wearing sunglasses whenever

outdoors or even indoors under bright light.

Another problem related to lowered mineralocorticoid levels in hypoadrenia is a

paradoxical, non-pitting edema of the extremities. When the patient with

hypoadrenia spills sodium and water into the urine and perspiration, and has a

tendency to be dehydrated, we would hardly expect him to show signs of holding

water, such as edema. But that is exactly what we do see in some hypoadrenic

patients.

With the body spilling large amounts of extracellular sodium and likewise

retaining intercellular potassium, we can see how an osmotic differential could

develop in the patient's tissues. If the osmotic difference (created by the

increased potassium seeking its intercellular position and the lowered

extracellular sodium levels) is severe enough, the body will most often attempt

to correct this osmotic imbalance by allowing extracellular fluid to enter the

cells. (It is also possible that the body could kick the potassium out of the

cell and into the extracellular fluids, and although this occasionally occurs,

we rarely see signs of this in the blood potassium levels.) The body is trying

to dilute the potassium in the cell with water, to bring the system into osmotic

equilibrium. The cells take on water, and the patient has swelling.

Often, these patients are placed on a diuretic by an unenlightened physician

whose only basis for this prescription is the patient's symptoms. The diuretic

in these patients rarely helps the condition and often aggravates the tendency

toward dehydration. Further, many diuretics act as adrenal (aldosterone)

inhibitors, adding even more stress to the adrenals and tending to make the

patient worse in the long run.

Even in adrenal fatigue, the body is still wonderful, beautiful and incredibly

wise. It is our society, our maladaptation to the stresses of modern life, and

our poor judgment that need to change. We may not be able to change society but

we can learn to use better judgment when it comes to taking care of ourselves

and to respond to stress in healthier ways.

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almsot 3 years now. But they differ in behavior.. The one I had yesterday was

scary in that way that the heart " tumble-fell " for a second or two, then NOTHING

for at least 2 seconds, maybe 3... Then it started beating again, very calmly.

Not with a BANG like it usually does when it goes back into normal-mode.

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Phil,.....no offense, but the tongue thing is only about hydration or lack

thereof. It doesn't tell you anything about your electrolyte status.

You can die from water intoxication and have a nice wet/smooth tongue.

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tongue it should slide accross it very easy not feel rugh or dry.

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There was some info about what it will do to the heart this is just one way to

tell. I use it all the time If I am feeling like crap and my tongue is rugh and

dry I can put a 1/2 tsp of sea salt in a glass of water and drink it and feel

better very fast.

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Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: HCT up again

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> Phil,.....no offense, but the tongue

> thing is only about hydration or lack thereof. It doesn't

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I agree with that part Phil,....your body is telling you that you are becoming

dehydrated. It isn't telling you that you need salt though.

You just happen to drink sea salt with your water.

I do the one glass with salt in the AM routine that you folks mentioned, and it

seems to keep me pretty well all day.

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tell. I use it all the time If I am feeling like crap and my tongue is rugh and

dry I can put a 1/2 tsp of sea salt in a glass of water and drink it and feel

better very fast.

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> Phil

[Guest guest]

Soooo.. Why am I becoming dehydrated then? My face is now even more bloated.

Isn't that a sign of being overhydrated?

From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

Subject: Re: HCT up again

Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 5:17 PM

 

I agree with that part Phil,....your body is telling you that you are

becoming dehydrated. It isn't telling you that you need salt though.

You just happen to drink sea salt with your water.

I do the one glass with salt in the AM routine that you folks mentioned, and it

seems to keep me pretty well all day.

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tell. I use it all the time If I am feeling like crap and my tongue is rugh and

dry I can put a 1/2 tsp of sea salt in a glass of water and drink it and feel

better very fast.

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> Phil

[Guest guest]

Well being dehydrated is just part of this problem in a lot of people it's low

Aldosterone levels that can cause all kinds of problems even make your heart

feel like it's acting up.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15454

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15453

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> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: HCT up again

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> Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 11:17 AM

> I agree with that part Phil,....your

> body is telling you that you are becoming dehydrated. It

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I wasn't saying that YOU were dehydrated, I was referring to Phils dry, rough

tongue test.

I suggested to you that POSSIBLY your sodium level was off, as in low, and

causing the PVC's.

There are many things that can cause them though. Something for a cardiologist

to figure out.

All I was saying was to dissolve a pinch of sea salt in your mouth and chase it

with a small amount of water. If the PVC's disappear in a very short period of

time, it would tend to show that it is sodium related.

Sodium, potassium, and chloride levels are very important in terms of heart

rhythm.

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Isn't that a sign of being overhydrated?

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On the 24th of Septembe 2010 I had these fasting morning electrolytes (I did not

ingest any HC, no other meds, noting except some plain water before the test!) :

Potassium 4.0 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/L)

Calcium 2.52 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/L)

->Albumin 47 (36 - 48 g/L)

->Corrected Calcium 2.38 (2.2-2.56 mmol/L) *OK

Chloride 101 (100 - 110 mmol/L)

Magnesium 0.97 (0.71 - 0.94 mmol/L)

Sodium 140 (137 - 145 mmol/L)

Phosphorus 0.92 (0.75 - 1.65 mmol/L)

Doesn't look like I am Sodium deficient. My GP tells me my Sodium would need to

be less than 130 before it starts to get serious.

I get some PVC's every day, but usually only when I have sexual activities (this

started happening in January 2008) and when I bend forward so that my stomach

crunches. That too didn't happen til January 2008 and up til today.

I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily spread out thru the day, plus some salt in

my food. I doubt I get too much salt, cause it's not THAT much but... I also

doubt I get too little salt. I am not sure. But my labs look pretty decent!

From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

Subject: Re: HCT up again

Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 5:42 PM

 

I wasn't saying that YOU were dehydrated, I was referring to Phils dry,

rough tongue test.

I suggested to you that POSSIBLY your sodium level was off, as in low, and

causing the PVC's.

There are many things that can cause them though. Something for a cardiologist

to figure out.

All I was saying was to dissolve a pinch of sea salt in your mouth and chase it

with a small amount of water. If the PVC's disappear in a very short period of

time, it would tend to show that it is sodium related.

Sodium, potassium, and chloride levels are very important in terms of heart

rhythm.

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Isn't that a sign of being overhydrated?

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If you read the links I sent in my posts it says if your dehydrated your body

will hold water to try to keep your from dumping your sodium. Your on HC meds

you might have low Aldosterone levels were your dumping your sodium and feeling

dehydrated.

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

I am not a Dr. all I can tell you is what happened to me and others. You need

to read about this so you understand it.

And go over them problems with your Dr.

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This is why I went so long not getting the right treament for this problem. I

had to fight with my Dr. to test my Aldostereone levels. My electrolytes were

allways in range. But my Aldosterone levels were very low. And when he seen

this he gave me Florinef now I don't have this problem anymore.

Same thing with Statin drugs they put me on two yrs ago from day one I had joint

and muscle pain. Every time I seen my Dr.'s and I told them this they told me

no Statin drugs can't be doing this it's this or it's that and the dam drugs

were bring my Chol. levels down below normal levels. I asked if this is a good

idea because we need Chol. to make hormones and they told this is good for your

heart. I never had high Chol. levels in my life and to do this to me just

because I needed Heart Bypass surgery did not make sence to me.

They kept changing the Statin meds and the dose until my pain was so dam bad I

could not stand up or walk anymore.

Now these same Dr.'s are testing me for myopathy,rhabdomyopathy and saying I

might have nerve damage much like Neuropathy.

Some times I feel Dr.'s do more damage then good.

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> Some times I feel Dr.'s do more damage then good.

Yes, some do. Unfortunately, medicine is a business in America, and like any

business, needs profits to sustain itself. Did you know some oncologists

(cancer docs) make commission off the number of people they refer to

chemotherapy? I cannot imagine anything sadder than dying and being milked for

your last dollar.

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Aldosterone in serum was a lil below midrange while saltfasting. Tha was dine

about 2-3 months ago. So.... All I might need is Flydrocortisone? (Florinef) I

tried it, 0.10 mg daily, when I started seeing Hertoghe in March this year. I've

never felt so bad in my entire life as I did while on Fludrocortisone. Hertoghe

started me off on a full dose which was too big. Anyway, after 8 days of pure

torture, high BP and pressure in the head AND irregular heartbeat attacks, I

quit it.

Today I have a bad headache.

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Den 10. okt. 2010 kl. 17.58 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

If you read the links I sent in my posts it says if your dehydrated your body

will hold water to try to keep your from dumping your sodium. Your on HC meds

you might have low Aldosterone levels were your dumping your sodium and feeling

dehydrated.

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

I am not a Dr. all I can tell you is what happened to me and others. You need to

read about this so you understand it.

And go over them problems with your Dr.

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> in America, and like any business, needs profits to sustain

> itself.  Did you know some oncologists (cancer docs)

> make commission off the number of people they refer to

> chemotherapy?  I cannot imagine anything sadder than

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Good point marc I have to take Xanax a low dose .25 mgs every night when I go to

bed. If I don't there are times I will wake up in panic be it high levels of E2

or a bad dream. Once this happens then I have them over and over again until my

body settles down.

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> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: HCT up again

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> I agree your labs look OK to me, plus I didn't know you

> were already using sea-salt. That was a one time test

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> They are common in many people like I said before, but

> there is no way your heart should be stopping for more than

> 1 to 1 1/2 seconds,........not 2 or 3. You may simply have

> an 'electrical' disturbance in one of your nodes.

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> much for.

> After reading a lot of your posts, and all the weird stuff

> you have going on,........I think you are suffering from a

> certain amount of an anxiety disorder. While I do not have

> personal experience with this, I was engaged to a woman that

> had this bad for awhile. She got to the point that she felt

> she was having heart problems all the time and convinced

> herself she was dying from some illness that the docs could

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> step-father passed away from a very long horrible illness.

> It can make you feel like your heart is doing very strange

> things when it really isn't.

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> explore the possibility of anxiety as a contributing factor

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> Get the doc to give you a scrip for a low dose of xanax for

> a month, and see if these feelings disappear. I am only

> making suggestions and I am certainly not a doctor, nor

> recommending you do this any way except through the proper

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> morning electrolytes (I did not ingest any HC, no other

> meds, noting except some plain water before the test!) :

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> > Calcium 2.52 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/L)

> > ->Albumin 47 (36 - 48 g/L)

> > ->Corrected Calcium 2.38 (2.2-2.56 mmol/L) *OK

> > Chloride 101 (100 - 110 mmol/L)

> > Magnesium 0.97 (0.71 - 0.94 mmol/L)

> > Sodium 140 (137 - 145 mmol/L)

> > Phosphorus 0.92 (0.75 - 1.65 mmol/L)

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> me my Sodium would need to be less than 130 before it starts

> to get serious.

> > I get some PVC's every day, but usually only when I

> have sexual activities (this started happening in January

> 2008) and when I bend forward so that my stomach crunches.

> That too didn't happen til January 2008 and up til today.

> > I drink 1/2 tea spoon sea salt daily spread out thru

> the day, plus some salt in my food. I doubt I get too much

> salt, cause it's not THAT much but... I also doubt I get too

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