Re: Stupid Question on DIM

[Guest guest]

No you would need to eat so much it is not possable that brand you posted I

don't think it's Indolplex/DIM. Order this one men here use it and we know it

works. I don't feel men need a base line level for Estradiol when a Dr. will

not test it if you don't have the night time and morning wood just try it.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

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Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 12:21 PM

> I am considering trying some right

> now, using Phil's 'wood-o-meter' as a gauge until I can

> finally get my stinking blood tests done,......oops, guess I

> better not as I won't have the baselines I have been waiting

> so long for.

>

> Anyway I will still ask the question. Isn't DIM basically

> an extract from cruciferous vegetables like cauliflower and

> broccoli, and if so could you not get the same effects by

> just eating a lot of the real stuff?

> I happen to like both, so it would be no big deal to eat

> more for me.

>

> Seems the Vitamin Shoppe carries it, and I have one close

> to me.

> Here is one brand.

> http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SR-7297

>

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[Guest guest]

Vitamin Shoppe also carries that brand as well but a higher price.

What's the deal with the soy it lists in ingredients?

[Guest guest]

I got my first bottle from iherb.com, it was very quick delivery. I

ordered on Friday and it was in my mailbox on Monday.

I just ordered my next, two more bottles from:

http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-Mens-Health

Same product but there price was the lowest I have found so far $26.11 and

4.99 shipping per order.

About Soy? Apparently the phosphatidylcholine is from soy. At least that

is how I am reading the quote from the label below.

" Indolplex Complex modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM®),

d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, phosphatidylcholine (soy), and silicon

dioxide " 120 mg "

Isn't " d-alpha tocopheryl " vitamin E?

Brett

Re: Stupid Question on DIM

No you would need to eat so much it is not possable that brand you posted I

don't think it's Indolplex/DIM. Order this one men here use it and we know

it works. I don't feel men need a base line level for Estradiol when a Dr.

will not test it if you don't have the night time and morning wood just try

it.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

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Phil

[Guest guest]

How about?

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU119/ItemDetail?n=0

________________________________

From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 6:00:12 PM

Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

I got my first bottle from iherb.com, it was very quick delivery. I

ordered on Friday and it was in my mailbox on Monday.

I just ordered my next, two more bottles from:

http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-Mens-Health

Same product but there price was the lowest I have found so far $26.11 and

4.99 shipping per order.

About Soy? Apparently the phosphatidylcholine is from soy. At least that

is how I am reading the quote from the label below.

" Indolplex Complex modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM®),

d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, phosphatidylcholine (soy), and silicon

dioxide " 120 mg "

Isn't " d-alpha tocopheryl " vitamin E?

Brett

Re: Stupid Question on DIM

No you would need to eat so much it is not possable that brand you posted I

don't think it's Indolplex/DIM. Order this one men here use it and we know

it works. I don't feel men need a base line level for Estradiol when a Dr.

will not test it if you don't have the night time and morning wood just try

it.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

Co-Moderator

Phil

[Guest guest]

,

If it doesn't say Indolplex it isn't Indolplex DIM.

Brett

Re: Stupid Question on DIM

How about?

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU119/ItemDetail?n=0

[Guest guest]

I thought BioResponse basically invented the stuff. I thought they were the

original Indolplex and now it is BioDIM. I could be wrong. I emailed BioResponse

a couple of years ago and they sell it to Swanson's to use in their DIM.

http://www.bioresponse.com/Home.asp

________________________________

From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 8:24:40 PM

Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

,

If it doesn't say Indolplex it isn't Indolplex DIM.

Brett

Re: Stupid Question on DIM

How about?

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU119/ItemDetail?n=0

[Guest guest]

Thats why I use dim plus because it has bioresponse in it.

>

> I thought BioResponse basically invented the stuff. I thought they were the

original Indolplex and now it is BioDIM. I could be wrong. I emailed BioResponse

a couple of years ago and they sell it to Swanson's to use in their DIM.

>

> http://www.bioresponse.com/Home.asp

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 8:24:40 PM

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

>

> ,

> If it doesn't say Indolplex it isn't Indolplex DIM.

> Brett

> Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> How about?

>

> http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU119/ItemDetail?n=0

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Maybe tomorrow Phil will have a idea about this. I was under the

understanding that it had to be Indolplex or it would get killed in your

stomach.

If the stuff that you pointed out works, it is way cheaper. It is hard

to understand why there is such a huge price difference is it is the same.

Have you guys been using this and does it work for you?

What I have is made by Enzymatic Therapy but the DIM in it is trademark

Indolplex.

Brett

Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>I thought BioResponse basically invented the stuff. I thought they were the

>original Indolplex and now it is BioDIM. I could be wrong. I emailed

>BioResponse a couple of years ago and they sell it to Swanson's to use in

>their DIM.

>

> http://www.bioresponse.com/Home.asp

[Guest guest]

No question is stupid I am not sure it's in the indolplex I think this is what

helps keep the DIM from getting killed in the stomach. And I don't think there

is much in it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 1:32 PM

> Vitamin Shoppe also carries that

> brand as well but a higher price.

> What's the deal with the soy it lists in ingredients?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I am not sure but it's not enough soy to be a problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 7:00 PM

> I got my first bottle from iherb.com,

> it was very quick delivery.   I

> ordered on Friday and it was in my mailbox on Monday.

> I just ordered my next, two more bottles from:

> http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-Mens-Health

> Same product but there price was the lowest I have found so

> far $26.11 and

> 4.99 shipping per order.

> About Soy?  Apparently the phosphatidylcholine is from

> soy.  At least that

> is how I am reading the quote from the label below.

> " Indolplex Complex modified food starch, 25%

> diindolylmethane (DIM®),

> d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, phosphatidylcholine (soy),

> and silicon

> dioxide "   120 mg "

>

> Isn't " d-alpha tocopheryl " vitamin E?

> Brett

> Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

>

> No you would need to eat so much it is not possable that

> brand you posted I

> don't think it's Indolplex/DIM.  Order this one men

> here use it and we know

> it works.  I don't feel men need a base line level for

> Estradiol when a Dr.

> will not test it if you don't have the night time and

> morning wood just try

> it.

> http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

If it comes in caps it's not the right stuff it dose not work well for most men.

It gets killed in the stomach. If you open the caps and put it in some olive

oil in a tsp and take it this way I here it works. The oil gets it passed the

stomach but the tablets that say Indolplex work great and you can cut them in

half. If your levels go down to low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Thornton <brianee93@...>

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 7:59 PM

> How about?

>

> http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU119/ItemDetail?n=0

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 6:00:12 PM

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

>  

> I got my first bottle from iherb.com, it was very quick

> delivery.   I

> ordered on Friday and it was in my mailbox on Monday.

> I just ordered my next, two more bottles from:

> http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-Mens-Health

> Same product but there price was the lowest I have found so

> far $26.11 and

> 4.99 shipping per order.

> About Soy?  Apparently the phosphatidylcholine is from

> soy.  At least that

> is how I am reading the quote from the label below.

> " Indolplex Complex modified food starch, 25%

> diindolylmethane (DIM®),

> d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, phosphatidylcholine (soy),

> and silicon

> dioxide "   120 mg "

>

> Isn't " d-alpha tocopheryl " vitamin E?

> Brett

> Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> No you would need to eat so much it is not possable that

> brand you posted I

> don't think it's Indolplex/DIM.  Order this one men

> here use it and we know

> it works.  I don't feel men need a base line level for

> Estradiol when a Dr.

> will not test it if you don't have the night time and

> morning wood just try

> it.

> http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Off and on I heard this after I stopped using it but the brand that started Bio

was junk did not work for me. Try it and see if it works let us know.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Thornton <brianee93@...>

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 9:37 PM

> I thought BioResponse basically

> invented the stuff. I thought they were the original

> Indolplex and now it is BioDIM. I could be wrong. I emailed

> BioResponse a couple of years ago and they sell it to

> Swanson's to use in their DIM.

>

> http://www.bioresponse.com/Home.asp

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 8:24:40 PM

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

>  

> ,

> If it doesn't say Indolplex it isn't Indolplex DIM.

> Brett

> Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> How about?

>

> http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU119/ItemDetail?n=0

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use to use this but didn't take it long enough to know if it worked before my

Dr. Rx me Arimidex.

________________________________

From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 9:30:01 PM

Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

,

Maybe tomorrow Phil will have a idea about this. I was under the

understanding that it had to be Indolplex or it would get killed in your

stomach.

If the stuff that you pointed out works, it is way cheaper. It is hard

to understand why there is such a huge price difference is it is the same.

Have you guys been using this and does it work for you?

What I have is made by Enzymatic Therapy but the DIM in it is trademark

Indolplex.

Brett

Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>I thought BioResponse basically invented the stuff. I thought they were the

>original Indolplex and now it is BioDIM. I could be wrong. I emailed

>BioResponse a couple of years ago and they sell it to Swanson's to use in

>their DIM.

>

> http://www.bioresponse.com/Home.asp

[Guest guest]

Back in the day I heard from Z to use DIM to get Estradiol levels down but

he did not say Indolplex so I get the brand that the Dr. indorst Dr. Zeligs and

I used it it did nothing so I pinned down Z on the web and he told me you

needed Indolplex/DIM and it should not have other Vit.'s mixed in it he told me

he used this brand.

PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

But now I hear they don't make it anymore.

This is the first one I used that did not work back then it did not say Bio. and

it was junk.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dim-plus-120-cap.html

I can't say what if does not I don't use DIM anymore I need something stronger

like Arimidex.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 10:30 PM

> ,

> Maybe tomorrow Phil will have a idea about this.  I

> was under the

> understanding that it had to be Indolplex or it would get

> killed in your

> stomach.

>     If the stuff that you pointed out works, it

> is way cheaper.  It is hard

> to understand why there is such a huge price difference is

> it is the same.

> Have you guys been using this and does it work for you?

>     What I have is made by Enzymatic Therapy but

> the DIM in it is trademark

> Indolplex.

> Brett

> Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

>

> >I thought BioResponse basically invented the stuff. I

> thought they were the

> >original Indolplex and now it is BioDIM. I could be

> wrong. I emailed

> >BioResponse a couple of years ago and they sell it to

> Swanson's to use in

> >their DIM.

> >

> > http://www.bioresponse.com/Home.asp

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Brett,......thanks for that link! I am going to order 2 bottles later today and

give it a try.

If it does nothing for me, or makes me feel lousy, I will give it to you since

we are in the same area.

[Guest guest]

Marc,

It works. I am taking two a day. It is best to take with food. A few

times taking it on a empty stomach it did cause minor stomach upset

especially when I was taking two a day. I waited too long before I ordered

more so I have temporally cut my self back to just one so I won't run out

till the new stuff comes and I can tell the difference. On just one I am

feeling slightly more emotional. I have Arimidex if it gets too bad I can

take that.

Anyway if you are bothered by symptoms of high estradiol I think you will

like it but it may take two if one doesn't do it for you.

Brett

Re: Stupid Question on DIM

> Brett,......thanks for that link! I am going to order 2 bottles later

> today and give it a try.

>

> If it does nothing for me, or makes me feel lousy, I will give it to you

> since we are in the same area.

[Guest guest]

DIM is poorly absorbed from the digestive track, and worst yet absorption varies

from individual to individual and with what you eat. It is fat soluble, but even

with fat the absorption is poor. Try dissolving 5 pills in about 15 ml of

coconut oil. Apply to the scrotum. Scrotum skin will absorb about 40 times

better than other skin. Do this daily and note the results.

Parashont quareetz

>

> Marc,

> It works. I am taking two a day. It is best to take with food. A few

> times taking it on a empty stomach it did cause minor stomach upset

> especially when I was taking two a day. I waited too long before I ordered

> more so I have temporally cut my self back to just one so I won't run out

> till the new stuff comes and I can tell the difference. On just one I am

> feeling slightly more emotional. I have Arimidex if it gets too bad I can

> take that.

> Anyway if you are bothered by symptoms of high estradiol I think you will

> like it but it may take two if one doesn't do it for you.

> Brett

> Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

>

> > Brett,......thanks for that link! I am going to order 2 bottles later

> > today and give it a try.

> >

> > If it does nothing for me, or makes me feel lousy, I will give it to you

> > since we are in the same area.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes your right this is why they came up with Indolplex/DIM it gets pasted the

stomach.  My problem is men are looking for the best price buying DIM. When I

tell them don't get the cheap DIM get Indolplex. They then post DIM did not

work.  I only now tell men to use DIM when they don't want to get Arimidex from

over seas or labs that don't require a script from a Dr. or men in the UK and

other country's that they can't get Arimidex. Some Dr.'s will not test

Estradiol or treat it.

If a guy is going to think he can save money by buying cheap DIM and doing this

go for it.  I would not put anything ever again on my testis after doing the T

patch and trying gel on them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: parashont <saltflat@...>

> Subject: Re: Stupid Question on DIM

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 10:57 AM

> DIM is poorly absorbed from the

> digestive track, and worst yet absorption varies from

> individual to individual and with what you eat. It is fat

> soluble, but even with fat the absorption is poor. Try

> dissolving 5 pills in about 15 ml of coconut oil. Apply to

> the scrotum. Scrotum skin will absorb about 40 times better

> than other skin. Do this daily and note the results.

> Parashont quareetz

>

>

> >

> > Marc,

> >     It works.  I am taking

> two a day.  It is best to take with food.  A few

> > times taking it on a empty stomach it did cause minor

> stomach upset

> > especially when I was taking two a day.  I waited

> too long before I ordered

> > more so I have temporally cut my self back to just one

> so I won't run out

> > till the new stuff comes and I can tell the

> difference.  On just one I am

> > feeling slightly more emotional.  I have Arimidex

> if it gets too bad I can

> > take that.

> > Anyway if you are bothered by symptoms of high

> estradiol I think you will

> > like it but it may take two if one doesn't do it for

> you.

> > Brett

> > Re: Stupid Question on DIM

> >

> >

> > > Brett,......thanks for that link! I am going to

> order 2 bottles later

> > > today and give it a try.

> > >

> > > If it does nothing for me, or makes me feel

> lousy, I will give it to you

> > > since we are in the same area.

> >

>

>

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