Re: vitamin recomendations CAUTION!!!

March 27, 2011

Vitamin A can be toxic. It is recommended that you take it in the form of

Beta-Carotene. The body converts to vitamin A as needed.

> >

> > I will soon post my review of my third appointment with Dr. Hertoghe 1 month

ago.

> >

> > He said 5000 iu D3 was fine cause my levels were low. Now I take 3000 iu.

> >

> > I was also put on 100.000 iu Vitamin A!

> >

> > He says 400-800 mg Magnesium is good. I take 400 mg now.

> >

> > I will get back to this and post a complete list of the supplements I take.

> >

> > Sendt fra min iPhone

> >

> > Den 27. mars 2011 kl. 06.37 skrev " antanas_aradas " <antanas_aradas@>:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I would like to hear what kind of vitamins and how much this group members

taking.

> >

> > could you share how much vitamin A, D3, C Hertoghe recommends?

> > What he especially thinks about vitamin D3? What is optimal level for him? I

read his book, and he only recommends 800 UI per day, but maybe he have change

his thoughts.

> >

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/10/Vitamin-D-Experts-\

Reveal-the-Truth.aspx

> >

> > I watched this again, and if someone take Vitamin A, it should be less then

6000 UI otherwise it conflicts with D3.

> >

> > Antanas

> >

March 27, 2011

Beta carotene conversion to Vit A is reduced if you're hypothyroid. Many here

are undiagnosed hypothyroid.

> > >

> > > I will soon post my review of my third appointment with Dr. Hertoghe 1

month ago.

> > >

> > > He said 5000 iu D3 was fine cause my levels were low. Now I take 3000 iu.

> > >

> > > I was also put on 100.000 iu Vitamin A!

> > >

> > > He says 400-800 mg Magnesium is good. I take 400 mg now.

> > >

> > > I will get back to this and post a complete list of the supplements I

take.

> > >

> > > Sendt fra min iPhone

> > >

> > > Den 27. mars 2011 kl. 06.37 skrev " antanas_aradas " <antanas_aradas@>:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I would like to hear what kind of vitamins and how much this group members

taking.

> > >

> > > could you share how much vitamin A, D3, C Hertoghe recommends?

> > > What he especially thinks about vitamin D3? What is optimal level for him?

I read his book, and he only recommends 800 UI per day, but maybe he have change

his thoughts.

> > >

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/10/Vitamin-D-Experts-\

Reveal-the-Truth.aspx

> > >

> > > I watched this again, and if someone take Vitamin A, it should be less

then 6000 UI otherwise it conflicts with D3.

> > >

> > > Antanas

> > >

March 27, 2011

I'd have to disagree about only choosing beta carotene. Vitamin A is toxic

in high doses, but who says we must take megadoses of it? Also, vitamin D

deficiency may account for bone issues when ones significantly up vitamin A

intake. All these nutrients work together but also have to be balanced as

too much of one may worsen another's deficiency. I know getting my vitamin D

up from below lab range caused me to get progresively worse calcification

issues till I started taking vitamin K2. Obviously I worsened a vitamin K

deficiency with D.

Regarding beta carotene, I've read that only a fraction of the amount that

is assumed to convert to actual vitamin A does convert. I don't think this

just happens in hypothyroid people either, but that's just my opinion. So

following the vitamin A " daily value " of foods containing beta carotene or

with supplements could be very misleading compared to getting actual vitamin

A from foods like butter. /HAN posted some weeks ago how trusting in a

beta carotene-heavy multi vitamin allowed him to go vitamin A deficient.

-Nigel

On 27 March 2011 13:29, ihor n <ihor43us@...> wrote:

>

> Vitamin A can be toxic. It is recommended that you take it in the form of

> Beta-Carotene. The body converts to vitamin A as needed.

>

March 27, 2011

Then I would recommend taking care of that before taking too much vitamin A.

You can take as much Beta-Carotene as you want - so if your conversion is only

10% of what non-hypothyroid people convert, take 10X as much beta-carotene.

But your point is good - everyone should have their T3 and T4 checked regularly.

NOT TSH.

> >

> > Vitamin A can be toxic. It is recommended that you take it in the form of

Beta-Carotene. The body converts to vitamin A as needed.

March 27, 2011

There must be a reason why Hertoghe told me to take no less than 100.000 iu

Vitamin A daily. He also said beta carotene is bad for me.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 27. mars 2011 kl. 20.41 skrev " Barb " <baba@...>:

Beta carotene conversion to Vit A is reduced if you're hypothyroid. Many here

are undiagnosed hypothyroid.

> > >

> > > I will soon post my review of my third appointment with Dr. Hertoghe 1

month ago.

> > >

> > > He said 5000 iu D3 was fine cause my levels were low. Now I take 3000 iu.

> > >

> > > I was also put on 100.000 iu Vitamin A!

> > >

> > > He says 400-800 mg Magnesium is good. I take 400 mg now.

> > >

> > > I will get back to this and post a complete list of the supplements I

take.

> > >

> > > Sendt fra min iPhone

> > >

> > > Den 27. mars 2011 kl. 06.37 skrev " antanas_aradas " <antanas_aradas@>:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I would like to hear what kind of vitamins and how much this group members

taking.

> > >

> > > could you share how much vitamin A, D3, C Hertoghe recommends?

> > > What he especially thinks about vitamin D3? What is optimal level for him?

I read his book, and he only recommends 800 UI per day, but maybe he have change

his thoughts.

> > >

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/10/Vitamin-D-Experts-\

Reveal-the-Truth.aspx

> > >

> > > I watched this again, and if someone take Vitamin A, it should be less

then 6000 UI otherwise it conflicts with D3.

> > >

> > > Antanas

> > >

March 27, 2011

That's what I was thinking too, Ihor. However, some can turn orange from

unconverted beta carotene!

-Nigel

On 27 March 2011 14:00, ihor n <ihor43us@...> wrote:

>

> Then I would recommend taking care of that before taking too much vitamin

> A.

>

> You can take as much Beta-Carotene as you want - so if your conversion is

> only 10% of what non-hypothyroid people convert, take 10X as much

> beta-carotene.

>

> But your point is good - everyone should have their T3 and T4 checked

> regularly. NOT TSH.

>

> > >

> > > Vitamin A can be toxic. It is recommended that you take it in the form

> of Beta-Carotene. The body converts to vitamin A as needed.

>

March 27, 2011

How could you tell you got worse calcidication? Is there a test for it?

I stopped taking NOW Vitamin K2 from alfafa last summer because I felt it could

make my blood thicker, which is bad when I am on TRT and at a point saw my HCT

as high as 60.

I now have Jarrow's MK-7 and wonder if I should start taking it.

You can't measure K2 in the blood anyway so how do we know we have enough?

Vitamin K in serum is K1! And mine is at 25% of the range. It was like that

before I started taking D3 as well. I take 3000 iu D3.

Hertoghe said nothing about Vitamin K. He also said I can adjust my supplements

on my own.

T.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 27. mars 2011 kl. 20.58 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...>:

I'd have to disagree about only choosing beta carotene. Vitamin A is toxic

in high doses, but who says we must take megadoses of it? Also, vitamin D

deficiency may account for bone issues when ones significantly up vitamin A

intake. All these nutrients work together but also have to be balanced as

too much of one may worsen another's deficiency. I know getting my vitamin D

up from below lab range caused me to get progresively worse calcification

issues till I started taking vitamin K2. Obviously I worsened a vitamin K

deficiency with D.

Regarding beta carotene, I've read that only a fraction of the amount that

is assumed to convert to actual vitamin A does convert. I don't think this

just happens in hypothyroid people either, but that's just my opinion. So

following the vitamin A " daily value " of foods containing beta carotene or

with supplements could be very misleading compared to getting actual vitamin

A from foods like butter. /HAN posted some weeks ago how trusting in a

beta carotene-heavy multi vitamin allowed him to go vitamin A deficient.

-Nigel

On 27 March 2011 13:29, ihor n <ihor43us@...> wrote:

>

> Vitamin A can be toxic. It is recommended that you take it in the form of

> Beta-Carotene. The body converts to vitamin A as needed.

>

March 27, 2011

Umm, you want me to take 10X the normal amount of beta carotene? Then I'd

probably get carotenemia and turn yellow lol!

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1104368-overview

The point to be made here is that too much or too little of anything can be

toxic. Just like more and more testosterone doesn't make you more of a man (but

actually turns into more estradiol), excessive beta carotene is not good either.

Barb

> > >

> > > Vitamin A can be toxic. It is recommended that you take it in the form of

Beta-Carotene. The body converts to vitamin A as needed.

>

March 27, 2011

'Tis merely a cosmetic problem! haha

-Nigel

On 27 March 2011 14:24, Barb <baba@...> wrote:

>

> Umm, you want me to take 10X the normal amount of beta carotene? Then I'd

> probably get carotenemia and turn yellow lol!

> http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1104368-overview

>

> The point to be made here is that too much or too little of anything can be

> toxic. Just like more and more testosterone doesn't make you more of a man

> (but actually turns into more estradiol), excessive beta carotene is not

> good either.

>

> Barb

>

March 27, 2011

My serum calcium was going higher in the range than the middle (where it had

been before taking vitamin D). I also had stiff muscles and felt the need to

practically take the whole magnesium supplement bottle. By the way, I ruled

out hyperparathyroid as PTH was about the bottom of the range.

I had weird symptoms stopping vitamin D, and besides my level would then

fall, so that didn't seem like the actual problem. I added K2 menatetrenone

(MK4) and kept the vitamin D in and then everything resolved.

Vitamin K2 isn't said to cause overcoagulation. Here's where I read that:

http://naturalmedicinejournal.net/pdf/VitaminK.NMJNutraceuticalFINALwithtables.p\

df

" A common misconception is that excessive vitamin K will result in

overcoagulation. However, the vitamin K-dependent proteins have a limited

number of Glu residues capable of y-carboxylation per molecule, beyond which

there can be no further y-carboxylation or excessive coagulation. "

This and a ton of more info on vitamin K (including which type to take) can

be found here:

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=15 & t=15100

-Nigel

On 27 March 2011 14:19, <gibcast@...> wrote:

>

> How could you tell you got worse calcidication? Is there a test for it?

>

> I stopped taking NOW Vitamin K2 from alfafa last summer because I felt it

> could make my blood thicker, which is bad when I am on TRT and at a point

> saw my HCT as high as 60.

>

> I now have Jarrow's MK-7 and wonder if I should start taking it.

>

> You can't measure K2 in the blood anyway so how do we know we have enough?

> Vitamin K in serum is K1! And mine is at 25% of the range. It was like that

> before I started taking D3 as well. I take 3000 iu D3.

>

> Hertoghe said nothing about Vitamin K. He also said I can adjust my

> supplements on my own.

>

> T.

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

>

March 27, 2011

Thank you.

Great link! Lethal Lee is on top of things!

So you recon I can start 90 mcg MK-7 daily without getting any bad sides?

My serum calcium is anywhere from low range 2.15 to high range 2.51. Maybe it

will stay more stable with a stable K2 intake?

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 27. mars 2011 kl. 21.51 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...>: