Re: HCG as sole treatment for secondary hypo

[Guest guest]

Look doing this much HCG your levels are not higher because your Testis can do

it. If you do 500 IU's every other day same thing will happen. Most men that

are true Secondary only need 60 to 100 IU's per day. I am true Secondary and

can get good high levels of T on just HCG but my Estradiol goes nuts I feel much

better doing both. I do a 80 mgs shot of Test C every 3 days and I shoot 250

IU's of HCG the day before my next T shot. If you don't try it how are you

going to know it if works or not.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zorroceasar <zorroceasar@...>

> Subject: HCG as sole treatment for secondary hypo

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:20 AM

> Hi

>

> 52 years old  , not overweight, healthy

> go 3 children no problem with low T before age 48

>

> I am on HCG injections 250 IU everyday to keep my T levels

> up.  T was 4  ( 9-27) before any treatment

> NOW

> Total T =12   (9- 27)

> E2 is middle of range

> Feels good although  T level is still rather low.

>

> I am secondary hypo and only use HCG as monotherapy

> and want it to keep it like this , no T injections

> as it gave me lot of side effects.

> high red blood count,hair fell out, high E2, balls shrank

> although i used only 80 mg per week for 2 years.

>

> So I want to keep on using HCG only.

> My question :I read that i must inject 500iu every 2nd day

> rather than 250iu every day as HCG has half life of 2

> days.

>

> Is this better and will it lift the  T levels even

> more

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I do not want to sound offensive but I do not understand you answer.

1. " your testis can do it " ?

2. If you dont try how are you going to know if it works "

I wrote ive tried it and Testosterone injections have got to many side effect

for me.I did try the exact regimen you described and the side effects happened.

Thanks

>

> > From: zorroceasar <zorroceasar@...>

> > Subject: HCG as sole treatment for secondary hypo

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:20 AM

> > Hi

> >

> > 52 years old  , not overweight, healthy

> > go 3 children no problem with low T before age 48

> >

> > I am on HCG injections 250 IU everyday to keep my T levels

> > up.  T was 4  ( 9-27) before any treatment

> > NOW

> > Total T =12   (9- 27)

> > E2 is middle of range

> > Feels good although  T level is still rather low.

> >

> > I am secondary hypo and only use HCG as monotherapy

> > and want it to keep it like this , no T injections

> > as it gave me lot of side effects.

> > high red blood count,hair fell out, high E2, balls shrank

> > although i used only 80 mg per week for 2 years.

> >

> > So I want to keep on using HCG only.

> > My question :I read that i must inject 500iu every 2nd day

> > rather than 250iu every day as HCG has half life of 2

> > days.

> >

> > Is this better and will it lift the  T levels even

> > more

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry it's a typo " your Testis can't do it " still doing HCG if your Primary

meaning your Testis can't make enough Testosterone the HCG will not bring your

levels up. HCG works like the message LH from your Pituitary in your brain that

tells your Testis to make Testosterone. Still I feel when men don't feel good

on TRT it's there Estradiol levels are to high and going on TRT makes it higher.

I get dam sick with higher levels of Estradiol one that dose me in is Panic

feelings and feeling hot and sweating very bad.

I started out using 500 IU's of HCG every 3 days but I was also doing 150mgs of

Test C shots. After about the 15th shot of HCG we did my labs and my Total T

doubled. All you can do is try it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zorroceasar <zorroceasar@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG as sole treatment for secondary hypo

>

> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 6:19 AM

> Hi I do not want to sound offensive

> but I do not understand you answer.

>

> 1. " your testis can do it "   ?

>

> 2. If you dont try how are you going to know if it works "

> I wrote ive tried it and Testosterone injections have got

> to many side effect for me.I did try the exact regimen you

> described and the side effects happened.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: zorroceasar <zorroceasar@...>

> > > Subject: HCG as sole treatment for

> secondary hypo

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:20 AM

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > 52 years old  , not overweight, healthy

> > > go 3 children no problem with low T before age

> 48

> > >

> > > I am on HCG injections 250 IU everyday to keep my

> T levels

> > > up.  T was 4  ( 9-27) before any treatment

> > > NOW

> > > Total T =12   (9- 27)

> > > E2 is middle of range

> > > Feels good although  T level is still rather

> low.

> > >

> > > I am secondary hypo and only use HCG as

> monotherapy

> > > and want it to keep it like this , no T

> injections

> > > as it gave me lot of side effects.

> > > high red blood count,hair fell out, high E2,

> balls shrank

> > > although i used only 80 mg per week for 2 years.

> > >

> > > So I want to keep on using HCG only.

> > > My question :I read that i must inject 500iu

> every 2nd day

> > > rather than 250iu every day as HCG has half life

> of 2

> > > days.

> > >

> > > Is this better and will it lift the  T levels

> even

> > > more

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hcg can workin in many for sole replacement, but in my expereince after a while

the body response to the signal tends to fade and more and more has to be taken

to get the same response resulting in uncontrollable estrodial levels and huge

amounts of AI. One needs to look at factors that can sensitize the body

response to HCG such as vitamin D, E and other hormones that may be out of

balance.

> > >

> > > > From: zorroceasar <zorroceasar@>

> > > > Subject: HCG as sole treatment for

> > secondary hypo

> > > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:20 AM

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > 52 years old  , not overweight, healthy

> > > > go 3 children no problem with low T before age

> > 48

> > > >

> > > > I am on HCG injections 250 IU everyday to keep my

> > T levels

> > > > up.  T was 4  ( 9-27) before any treatment

> > > > NOW

> > > > Total T =12   (9- 27)

> > > > E2 is middle of range

> > > > Feels good although  T level is still rather

> > low.

> > > >

> > > > I am secondary hypo and only use HCG as

> > monotherapy

> > > > and want it to keep it like this , no T

> > injections

> > > > as it gave me lot of side effects.

> > > > high red blood count,hair fell out, high E2,

> > balls shrank

> > > > although i used only 80 mg per week for 2 years.

> > > >

> > > > So I want to keep on using HCG only.

> > > > My question :I read that i must inject 500iu

> > every 2nd day

> > > > rather than 250iu every day as HCG has half life

> > of 2

> > > > days.

> > > >

> > > > Is this better and will it lift the  T levels

> > even

> > > > more

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >