Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 how long have you been giving blood to keep your blood thinner. And if your doing this a lot over time your iron will go down. To keep my blood thinner I take a baby asprin 2x's a day and I so my TRT in shots every 3 days with HCG the day before my T shot. Doing this helps keep blood thinner and helps hold down Estradiol. My Ferritin levels were below the normal range yet my reg. Iron labs were in range and over looked by my Dr. until I tested Ferritin. Now I am on Iron pills going on 3 yrs now my Folic Acide levels were below normal and my B-12 were low this can cause low Iron. And I was on a Folic supplement what is going on with me is the Folic is not converting in my stomach so I now take Thorne Research - Folacal. My labs for Folic Acide came back up into mid range but I ended up having heart bypass surgery and lost a lot of blood I was told it's going to be hard to tell if the Folacal is working to keep my Iron levels up because it will take a yr. or two for my blood to build back up. It's been 20 months now and I have low levels still so I feel I am on Iron pills for life. I think it's due to my thyroid. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: <brianee93@...> > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > A couple of weeks ago I got some > simple blood work done. I have had slightly above range RBC, > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood and the > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work looked > suspicious for low iron. > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, iron > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at 90% of range > and UIBC was above range. > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce red > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if your iron > was low? > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended treatment. I > should have it by tomorrow. > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the doctor > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe it was > a fluke and will retest. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 " " <brianee93@...> wrote: > I have had slightly above range RBC, hemocrit, hemoglobin. This is called erythrocytosis and can be caused by too much testosterone or too much thyroid. They are inter-related because testosterone helps T4 to T3 thyroid conversion, in effect, increasing your active thyroid levels. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/3/914 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7063922 >I have been donating blood and the levels are falling. Some of the other blood work looked suspicious for low iron. >I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, iron saturation, and ferritin were low. This is because you're donating blood. >TIBC was at 90% of range and UIBC was above range. TIBC is supposed to be ok if in range of 12-44%. UIBC is supposed to be above 146. > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce red blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if your iron was low? RBC is made through a process called erythropoiesis and uses iron AND B12, and folate and a hormone called erythropoietin. Thyroid hormone stimulates the erythropoietin hormone. > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended treatment. I should have it by tomorrow. He is probably sending you to a hematologist. Mine was the most arrogant doc I ever met, and knew nothing of the connections of the hormones I just listed above. I figured it out by researching on the internet. For me, lowering my thyroid dose eliminated the erythrocytosis. You need to have your thyroid levels checked (FT3, FT4) and possibly lower your testosterone dose. > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the doctor knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe it was a fluke and will retest. Now this is unusual. My WBC tends to be low, but in range. Have you been tested for all the thyroid antibodies? I had Graves. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 I give blood every 2 months and have been doing this for a little over a year so nothing unusual. My red cells just seem to stay high even with 2x weekly Test shots. I take a multi B vitamin called Thera-B which is high potency/high absorption. I also get a compounded methyl B-12 that I inject twice weekly for a total of 7,500mcg. I am doing a stool test for blood now to make sure I'm not bleeding internally. I'm sure I will be on iron pills at least for a while if not for life. I found some labs from 2 years ago and I was borderline low then with my TIBC above range. What iron pill do you take? ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 1:52:18 PM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC how long have you been giving blood to keep your blood thinner. And if your doing this a lot over time your iron will go down. To keep my blood thinner I take a baby asprin 2x's a day and I so my TRT in shots every 3 days with HCG the day before my T shot. Doing this helps keep blood thinner and helps hold down Estradiol. My Ferritin levels were below the normal range yet my reg. Iron labs were in range and over looked by my Dr. until I tested Ferritin. Now I am on Iron pills going on 3 yrs now my Folic Acide levels were below normal and my B-12 were low this can cause low Iron. And I was on a Folic supplement what is going on with me is the Folic is not converting in my stomach so I now take Thorne Research - Folacal. My labs for Folic Acide came back up into mid range but I ended up having heart bypass surgery and lost a lot of blood I was told it's going to be hard to tell if the Folacal is working to keep my Iron levels up because it will take a yr. or two for my blood to build back up. It's been 20 months now and I have low levels still so I feel I am on Iron pills for life. I think it's due to my thyroid. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: <brianee93@...> > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > A couple of weeks ago I got some > simple blood work done. I have had slightly above range RBC, > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood and the > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work looked > suspicious for low iron. > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, iron > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at 90% of range > and UIBC was above range. > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce red > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if your iron > was low? > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended treatment. I > should have it by tomorrow. > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the doctor > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe it was > a fluke and will retest. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Thank you. I'm on 2gr of Armour a day too. ________________________________ From: Barb <baba@...> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 1:57:46 PM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC " " <brianee93@...> wrote: > I have had slightly above range RBC, hemocrit, hemoglobin. This is called erythrocytosis and can be caused by too much testosterone or too much thyroid. They are inter-related because testosterone helps T4 to T3 thyroid conversion, in effect, increasing your active thyroid levels. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/3/914 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7063922 >I have been donating blood and the levels are falling. Some of the other blood work looked suspicious for low iron. >I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, iron saturation, and ferritin were low. This is because you're donating blood. >TIBC was at 90% of range and UIBC was above range. TIBC is supposed to be ok if in range of 12-44%. UIBC is supposed to be above 146. > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce red blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if your iron was low? RBC is made through a process called erythropoiesis and uses iron AND B12, and folate and a hormone called erythropoietin. Thyroid hormone stimulates the erythropoietin hormone. > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended treatment. I should have it by tomorrow. He is probably sending you to a hematologist. Mine was the most arrogant doc I ever met, and knew nothing of the connections of the hormones I just listed above. I figured it out by researching on the internet. For me, lowering my thyroid dose eliminated the erythrocytosis. You need to have your thyroid levels checked (FT3, FT4) and possibly lower your testosterone dose. > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the doctor knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe it was a fluke and will retest. Now this is unusual. My WBC tends to be low, but in range. Have you been tested for all the thyroid antibodies? I had Graves. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 I have found this brand to be the best I take one every 12 hrs with this Vit. C. http://www.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Minerals/Ferrous-Fumarate-324-mg/ID=prod1\ 194792 & navCount=0 & navAction=push-product It this long link does not work try this. http://tinyurl.com/34ea5xg and if you take Vit. C with this it works better. http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly above > range RBC, > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood and > the > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work > looked > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, > iron > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at 90% of > range > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce > red > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if > your iron > > was low? > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > treatment. I > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the > doctor > > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe > it was > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 I have erythrocytosis at 2 grains, none at 1.5 grains. BUT, I'm hypo at 1.5. So I am currently taking 1.5 + 50 mcg T4 and will retest in 6 weeks. My FT3 is not over range at 2 grains, but I guess it's too much direct T3 for me. Barb > > > I have had slightly above range RBC, hemocrit, hemoglobin. > > This is called erythrocytosis and can be caused by too much testosterone or too much thyroid. They are inter-related because testosterone helps T4 to T3 thyroid conversion, in effect, increasing your active thyroid levels. > > http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/3/914 > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7063922 > > >I have been donating blood and the levels are falling. Some of the other blood work looked suspicious for low iron. > > >I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, iron saturation, and ferritin were low. > > This is because you're donating blood. > > >TIBC was at 90% of range and UIBC was above range. > > TIBC is supposed to be ok if in range of 12-44%. UIBC is supposed to be above 146. > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce red blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if your iron was low? > > RBC is made through a process called erythropoiesis and uses iron AND B12, and folate and a hormone called erythropoietin. Thyroid hormone stimulates the erythropoietin hormone. > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended treatment. I should have it by tomorrow. > > He is probably sending you to a hematologist. Mine was the most arrogant doc I ever met, and knew nothing of the connections of the hormones I just listed above. I figured it out by researching on the internet. For me, lowering my thyroid dose eliminated the erythrocytosis. You need to have your thyroid levels checked (FT3, FT4) and possibly lower your testosterone dose. > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the doctor knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe it was a fluke and will retest. > > Now this is unusual. My WBC tends to be low, but in range. Have you been tested for all the thyroid antibodies? I had Graves. > > Barb > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Thanks Phil. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 2:29:30 PM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC I have found this brand to be the best I take one every 12 hrs with this Vit. C. http://www.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Minerals/Ferrous-Fumarate-324-mg/ID=prod1\ 194792 & navCount=0 & navAction=push-product It this long link does not work try this. http://tinyurl.com/34ea5xg and if you take Vit. C with this it works better. http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly above > range RBC, > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood and > the > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work > looked > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, > iron > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at 90% of > range > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce > red > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if > your iron > > was low? > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > treatment. I > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the > doctor > > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe > it was > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 The thing about T3 is some can't handle much of it my wife is on 125 mcgs of Synthroid generic and only 2.5 mcgs of T3 every otherday any more and she get hyper. I was on 4 grains of armour with FT3 in the upper mid range but any more I went hyper. HGH made me go hyper my Thyroid started to work again on it. I had to stop Armour now after having to stop HGH and going back on a lower dose. When I was off the HGH my Thyroid went down my TSH went up to 5.7 my FT4 is very low .8 and my FT3 is below mid range. I am now on 150 mcgs of Shythroid generic and back on HGH at a lower dose. I feel fine but can't wait to see my next labs for Thyroid. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Barb <baba@...> > Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 3:34 PM > I have erythrocytosis at 2 grains, > none at 1.5 grains. BUT, I'm hypo at 1.5. So I > am currently taking 1.5 + 50 mcg T4 and will retest in 6 > weeks. > > My FT3 is not over range at 2 grains, but I guess it's too > much direct T3 for me. > > Barb > > > > > > > > I have had slightly above range RBC, hemocrit, > hemoglobin. > > > > This is called erythrocytosis and can be caused by too > much testosterone or too much thyroid. They are > inter-related because testosterone helps T4 to T3 thyroid > conversion, in effect, increasing your active thyroid > levels. > > > > http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/3/914 > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7063922 > > > > >I have been donating blood and the levels are > falling. Some of the other blood work looked suspicious for > low iron. > > > > >I just got that blood work back and sure enough > iron, iron saturation, and ferritin were low. > > > > This is because you're donating blood. > > > > >TIBC was at 90% of range and UIBC was above > range. > > > > TIBC is supposed to be ok if in range of 12-44%. > UIBC is supposed to be above 146. > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to > produce red blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low > if your iron was low? > > > > RBC is made through a process called erythropoiesis > and uses iron AND B12, and folate and a hormone called > erythropoietin. Thyroid hormone stimulates the > erythropoietin hormone. > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > treatment. I should have it by tomorrow. > > > > He is probably sending you to a hematologist. > Mine was the most arrogant doc I ever met, and knew nothing > of the connections of the hormones I just listed > above. I figured it out by researching on the > internet. For me, lowering my thyroid dose eliminated > the erythrocytosis. You need to have your thyroid > levels checked (FT3, FT4) and possibly lower your > testosterone dose. > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the > doctor knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe > it was a fluke and will retest. > > > > Now this is unusual. My WBC tends to be low, but > in range. Have you been tested for all the thyroid > antibodies? I had Graves. > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Good to know. I'm not over range with 2gr. either. I will have to ask the doctor about this. My RBC was a little high even before starting thyroid. It is the Testosterone I'm sure. I'm not over range but I sure to make a lot of RBCs. They are small too due to the low iron. ________________________________ From: Barb <baba@...> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 2:34:42 PM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC I have erythrocytosis at 2 grains, none at 1.5 grains. BUT, I'm hypo at 1.5. So I am currently taking 1.5 + 50 mcg T4 and will retest in 6 weeks. My FT3 is not over range at 2 grains, but I guess it's too much direct T3 for me. Barb > > > I have had slightly above range RBC, hemocrit, hemoglobin. > > This is called erythrocytosis and can be caused by too much testosterone or too much thyroid. They are inter-related because testosterone helps T4 to T3 thyroid conversion, in effect, increasing your active thyroid levels. > > http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/3/914 > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7063922 > > >I have been donating blood and the levels are falling. Some of the other blood work looked suspicious for low iron. > > >I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, iron saturation, and ferritin were low. > > This is because you're donating blood. > > >TIBC was at 90% of range and UIBC was above range. > > TIBC is supposed to be ok if in range of 12-44%. UIBC is supposed to be above 146. > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce red blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if your iron was low? > > RBC is made through a process called erythropoiesis and uses iron AND B12, and folate and a hormone called erythropoietin. Thyroid hormone stimulates the erythropoietin hormone. > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended treatment. I should have it by tomorrow. > > He is probably sending you to a hematologist. Mine was the most arrogant doc I ever met, and knew nothing of the connections of the hormones I just listed above. I figured it out by researching on the internet. For me, lowering my thyroid dose eliminated the erythrocytosis. You need to have your thyroid levels checked (FT3, FT4) and possibly lower your testosterone dose. > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the doctor knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe it was a fluke and will retest. > > Now this is unusual. My WBC tends to be low, but in range. Have you been tested for all the thyroid antibodies? I had Graves. > > Barb > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 When you do labs you should make dam sure your not dehydrated I drink a good 27oz's of water before my labs if not my blood looks off and thicker. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Thornton <brianee93@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Low Iron & High RBC > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 3:47 PM > Good to know. I'm not over range with > 2gr. either. I will have to ask the doctor about this. My > RBC was a little high even before starting thyroid. It is > the Testosterone I'm sure. I'm not over range but I sure to > make a lot of RBCs. They are small too due to the low iron. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barb <baba@...> > > Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 2:34:42 PM > Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC > >  > I have erythrocytosis at 2 grains, none at 1.5 > grains. BUT, I'm hypo at 1.5. So I am currently > taking 1.5 + 50 mcg T4 and will retest in 6 weeks. > > My FT3 is not over range at 2 grains, but I guess it's too > much direct T3 for me. > > Barb > > > > > > > I have had slightly above range RBC, hemocrit, > hemoglobin. > > > > This is called erythrocytosis and can be caused by too > much testosterone or too much thyroid. They are > inter-related because testosterone helps T4 to T3 thyroid > conversion, in effect, increasing your active thyroid > levels. > > > > http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/3/914 > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7063922 > > > > >I have been donating blood and the levels are > falling. Some of the other blood work looked suspicious for > low iron. > > > > >I just got that blood work back and sure enough > iron, iron saturation, and ferritin were low. > > > > This is because you're donating blood. > > > > >TIBC was at 90% of range and UIBC was above > range. > > > > TIBC is supposed to be ok if in range of 12-44%. > UIBC is supposed to be above 146. > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to > produce red blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low > if your iron was low? > > > > RBC is made through a process called erythropoiesis > and uses iron AND B12, and folate and a hormone called > erythropoietin. Thyroid hormone stimulates the > erythropoietin hormone. > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > treatment. I should have it by tomorrow. > > > > He is probably sending you to a hematologist. > Mine was the most arrogant doc I ever met, and knew nothing > of the connections of the hormones I just listed > above. I figured it out by researching on the > internet. For me, lowering my thyroid dose eliminated > the erythrocytosis. You need to have your thyroid > levels checked (FT3, FT4) and possibly lower your > testosterone dose. > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the > doctor knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe > it was a fluke and will retest. > > > > Now this is unusual. My WBC tends to be low, but > in range. Have you been tested for all the thyroid > antibodies? I had Graves. > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 I hear ya Phil. I drink a big glass of water when I get up and then drink another on the drive there. I usually have to run to the bathroom as soon as I get to the door. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 2:51:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: Low Iron & High RBC When you do labs you should make dam sure your not dehydrated I drink a good 27oz's of water before my labs if not my blood looks off and thicker. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Thornton <brianee93@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Low Iron & High RBC > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 3:47 PM > Good to know. I'm not over range with > 2gr. either. I will have to ask the doctor about this. My > RBC was a little high even before starting thyroid. It is > the Testosterone I'm sure. I'm not over range but I sure to > make a lot of RBCs. They are small too due to the low iron. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barb <baba@...> > > Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 2:34:42 PM > Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC > > > I have erythrocytosis at 2 grains, none at 1.5 > grains. BUT, I'm hypo at 1.5. So I am currently > taking 1.5 + 50 mcg T4 and will retest in 6 weeks. > > My FT3 is not over range at 2 grains, but I guess it's too > much direct T3 for me. > > Barb > > > > > > > I have had slightly above range RBC, hemocrit, > hemoglobin. > > > > This is called erythrocytosis and can be caused by too > much testosterone or too much thyroid. They are > inter-related because testosterone helps T4 to T3 thyroid > conversion, in effect, increasing your active thyroid > levels. > > > > http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/3/914 > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7063922 > > > > >I have been donating blood and the levels are > falling. Some of the other blood work looked suspicious for > low iron. > > > > >I just got that blood work back and sure enough > iron, iron saturation, and ferritin were low. > > > > This is because you're donating blood. > > > > >TIBC was at 90% of range and UIBC was above > range. > > > > TIBC is supposed to be ok if in range of 12-44%. > UIBC is supposed to be above 146. > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to > produce red blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low > if your iron was low? > > > > RBC is made through a process called erythropoiesis > and uses iron AND B12, and folate and a hormone called > erythropoietin. Thyroid hormone stimulates the > erythropoietin hormone. > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > treatment. I should have it by tomorrow. > > > > He is probably sending you to a hematologist. > Mine was the most arrogant doc I ever met, and knew nothing > of the connections of the hormones I just listed > above. I figured it out by researching on the > internet. For me, lowering my thyroid dose eliminated > the erythrocytosis. You need to have your thyroid > levels checked (FT3, FT4) and possibly lower your > testosterone dose. > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the > doctor knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe > it was a fluke and will retest. > > > > Now this is unusual. My WBC tends to be low, but > in range. Have you been tested for all the thyroid > antibodies? I had Graves. > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 How quickly did you feel better or was there not much difference? ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 2:29:30 PM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC I have found this brand to be the best I take one every 12 hrs with this Vit. C. http://www.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Minerals/Ferrous-Fumarate-324-mg/ID=prod1\ 194792 & navCount=0 & navAction=push-product It this long link does not work try this. http://tinyurl.com/34ea5xg and if you take Vit. C with this it works better. http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly above > range RBC, > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood and > the > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work > looked > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough iron, > iron > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at 90% of > range > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to produce > red > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low if > your iron > > was low? > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > treatment. I > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if the > doctor > > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks maybe > it was > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 This takes time I started to get better in about 4 months but by a yr. I was like a new man. My breathing was much better and my Fatigue. On Iron pills you need to stop them about a week before labs to see how your doing on them doing labs levels will look high or better when they are not. Here are the labs I have done. Total Iron Iron Binding Capacity Iron % Saturation Ferritin B-12 Here is a story I did for STTM. ================================================= First I want to thank the mods here at STTM for telling me to get my Ferritin tested. My labs I feel have showed a problem with my blood but Dr.'s only look for above or below normal on labs not trends. The first lab test on my Ferritin was done on 10/07 it was 18 low with a range of 20 to 380 ng/mL. I later found out most younger men test between 100 to 170. We are trying to get me up past 70 I am not there yet. At this time my Free T3 was 364 range 230 to 420 pg/dL on 4 grains of Armour you will see this go up as my iron levels come up. Here is what my blood looked like at the time I tested Ferritin. Red Blood Cell Count 5.42 range 4.20 to 5.80 Million/uL. Hemuglobin 14.2 on the low side range 13.2 to 17.1 g/dL. Hematocrit 44 on the low side range 38.5 to 50%. MCV 81.1 on the low side range 80 to 100 fL. MCH 26.2 below normal range 27 to 33 pg. I allways get a copy of my labs and I called my Dr. and told him how low this is and asked how do we treat this. I went on 2 Iron pills one in between the morning meal and lunch and the other 4 hrs after dinner. You need to take Iron pill with some Vit. C. On an empty stomach about 4 hrs before eating for it to work it's best. Yet some Iron pills are very hard on the stomach. So my Dr. put me on the following because I suffered from Heartburn and Reflux. Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg - 106 mg Elemental Iron so I was doing 212 mgs of Elemental Iron here is a link to where I got this. http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100155 & navAction=jump & navCount=\ 1 & id=prod1194792 And this is the Vit. C I take with each Iron pill. http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html I have been on this now 11 months and little by little my Ferritin levels were coming up very slow as follows. After 8 weeks testing on 12/07 I went up from 18 to 24 and my above blood count all went just above normal my Dr. said not to worry this was because on the Iron pill. He also started testing my Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 83 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 391 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 21 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 364 to 365. On 02/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 24 to 31 and blood count still above normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 89 up from 83 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 345 down from 391 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 26 up from 21 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 went up from 365 to 372. At this time I was having Hyper Thyroid symptoms I know TSH is nothing but mine show very low .03. I was have very high heart beat sweating and my temps avg went up to over 99.4. So my Dr. lowered my Armour down from 4 to 3 grains I later found this was to low. Also at this time my Heartburn and Reflux were gone and my Breathing and Engery was so much better I was able to come of 3 meds I was on for this. I never thought I could feel this good again. On 04/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 31 to 43 and blood count still above normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 117 up from 89 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 334 down from 345 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 35 up from 26 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 went down from 372 to 309 but I felt fine. On 06/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 43 to 64 and blood count Just at the top of normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 118 up from 117 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 354 up from 345 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 33 dowm from 35 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 has not been done my Dr. has a new lab tech and my labs are not getting done right. At this point my Dr. lower me down from 2 Iron pills to one a day I still felt fine. On 08/08 labs for Ferritin went down and I feel it 52 from 64 and due to new lab tech no blood count labs. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 105 down from 118 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 351 down from 354 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 39 dowm from 33 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 is not done when it rains it pores not that I really need it the lab tech is not asking for it I think my Dr. Fired the person. He is do a new test Folate RBC and I am below normal this is not good with Anemia 212 range >280 ng/mL RBC. I told him I take a double dose of Folic Acid how can this be. He said I might need a different kind here is what I am taking. http://www.myvitanet.com/foac80andb25.html This is what I need to take. http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-60/dp/B000FGWCIW I am not feel very good I have the Heartburn and Reflux back and feel now like I am hypo on my Thyroid so my Dr. upped my dose 30mgs of Armour now on 3.5 grains. And I have a bad upper respiratory infection now going on 3 weeks just finishing my second set of Antibiotics. A good friend of mine Hardasnails1973 told me about adding B-12, Folic Acid and a Multi-Vit to some DMSO and putting an eye dropper full on my forearms. I ran this past my Dr. telling him in the link the Phd said it helps to bring up Iron levels he said try it. Here is a link to the site one needs to read the links below Heath Notes on Anemia, DMSO and Crohn's Disease. Here is a cut and past on mixing it. When I tried this wow it felt like I took a big B-12 shot. Now I don't know if this is going to bring up my Iron levels until my next set of labs the end of this month but I am still on one Iron pill doing this DMSO 2x's a week after a morning shower. My breathing is much better and I feel much better and I am still sick with the infection. http://www.krysalis.net/b12.htm ================================================================================\ ==================== I use a two ounce bottle with an eyedropper, add 10mg of vitamin B12 sublingual (ten 1000 mcg tablets), 9.6 mg of folic acid (twelve 800 mcg tablets) and a single multivitimin-multimineral tablet and fill it with 99.9% DMSO (leaving a bubble at the top so it can be mixed when shaken). All ingredients were obtained from my local health food store. The tablets are mostly binder and take a few days to fall apart. They don't fully dissolve, but that doesn't seem to matter in terms of potency. I now use this regularly on approximately a once every month or two basis. It serves as a reasonable mood elevator for me, and I believe it contributes significantly to my general health. My interpretation is I seem to become deficient in vitamin B12 even though I take oral supplements regularly. ================================================================================\ ==================== I also found a better brand of Iron to take that is easy on your stomach and stronger. I am going to try this here is cut and paste about it from this link. http://www.amazon.com/Feosol-Carbonyl-Supplement-Therapy-Caplets/dp/B000FKJX62 ================================================================================\ ==================== Product Description Feosol Carbonyl Iron Supplement is a pure form of Iron, and the No. 1 doctor recommended iron supplement. Designed to be gentle to your stomach. the supplement is made up of 45 milligrams of elemental iron per caplet (250 percent of Daily Value). Most ordinary iron products contain iron salts that can upset your stomach, but Feosol caplets are different. They contain pure iron micro particles called carbonyl iron. This advanced formula is specially designed to be well absorbed by your body and gentle on your stomach. The caplets also comes in an easy to carry bottle. (Note: The 45 milligrams of Elemental Iron per Feosol Caplet is the same amount of Elemental Iron as in 225 milligrams of Ferrous Sulfate USP.) ================================================================================\ ==================== I am also going to try this for my Heartburn and Reflux, Natural Factors - DGL Chewable Tablets -Deglycyrrhizinated Licorice Root Extract - T - 90 http://tinyurl.com/5buol6 I am getting relief using this taking 3 tablets in the middle of each meal. http://www.myvitanet.com/dresuen180ta.html I do feel I have been Anemic for over 25 yrs from the fist time I got sick and seen a Dr. he told me after labs I was Anemic after a time on iron pills and not getting better I was sent to see a Blood Dr. this guy I was told is the best yet he did not speak good English I had a hard time understanding him. Also he ordered new labs but did not tell me to stop the Iron pills I was on a week before doing the labs. So when the labs came back he said I was fine that my Dr.'s labs were not anygood. I figured this out when my Dr. told me to stop iron pills 5 to 7 days before doing labs. The following is a Cut and Paste of what Janie might have put in her new book " Stop The Thyroid Maddness " . ================================================================================\ ==================== Though it's most common with women, men are not immune from having low ferritin. Phil, a thyroid, adrenal and pituitary patient who specializes in men's issues, states: I had a lot of problems and couldn't pinpoint what was holding me back. My testosterone levels on meds were good; my HC meds were working; my thyroid levels were better; bI didn't get sick anymore in the winter. Still I went to bed fatigued and got up fatigued. I had a high pulse rate over 110 bpm at rest. I was out of breath just from getting a glass of water. Sometime, I felt as if I would pass out. I had mucus stuck in my throat just at the bottom of my neck, and had to hack over and over to get it up so I could breathe. To be honest with you I felt like I had congestive heart failure. Here I am on Florinef for low aldosterone levels, yet I was holding water so bad that I needed to take water pills every other day. It made no sense. Finally, the women on a group I belong to pushed me into testing Ferritin. My levels come back below normal. I was at 18 and the low end of the range is 29. After taking 212 mgs. of elemental iron from Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg., my Ferritin come up to only 24 after taking this for 7 weeks. Yet my breathing is so much better. I fly up and down stairs without getting our of breath. I stopped taking meds to help me breathe, as well as a med for reflux. I have dropped 22 lbs since using iron while being on the Weight Watchers program, while before, I gained on Weight Watchers. I am now getting exercise and not housebound. My feelings of depression have lessened, and hell, my sex life is better. I asked my Dr. why my iron levels are so low, and he feels it's the hypopituitary problem with so many low hormones. ================================================================================\ ==================== I Pray I did not bore you all to death with this long post and hope this helps others. As I do more labs I will add to this. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly > above > > range RBC, > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood > and > > the > > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work > > looked > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough > iron, > > iron > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at > 90% of > > range > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to > produce > > red > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low > if > > your iron > > > was low? > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > > treatment. I > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if > the > > doctor > > > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks > maybe > > it was > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Thanks Phil. They are waiting on my stool blood test before prescribing iron to me. They should have those results Monday or Tuesday. I guess if it is positive I'm in for some probing to find out where. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:53:41 AM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC This takes time I started to get better in about 4 months but by a yr. I was like a new man. My breathing was much better and my Fatigue. On Iron pills you need to stop them about a week before labs to see how your doing on them doing labs levels will look high or better when they are not. Here are the labs I have done. Total Iron Iron Binding Capacity Iron % Saturation Ferritin B-12 Here is a story I did for STTM. ================================================= First I want to thank the mods here at STTM for telling me to get my Ferritin tested. My labs I feel have showed a problem with my blood but Dr.'s only look for above or below normal on labs not trends. The first lab test on my Ferritin was done on 10/07 it was 18 low with a range of 20 to 380 ng/mL. I later found out most younger men test between 100 to 170. We are trying to get me up past 70 I am not there yet. At this time my Free T3 was 364 range 230 to 420 pg/dL on 4 grains of Armour you will see this go up as my iron levels come up. Here is what my blood looked like at the time I tested Ferritin. Red Blood Cell Count 5.42 range 4.20 to 5.80 Million/uL. Hemuglobin 14.2 on the low side range 13.2 to 17.1 g/dL. Hematocrit 44 on the low side range 38.5 to 50%. MCV 81.1 on the low side range 80 to 100 fL. MCH 26.2 below normal range 27 to 33 pg. I allways get a copy of my labs and I called my Dr. and told him how low this is and asked how do we treat this. I went on 2 Iron pills one in between the morning meal and lunch and the other 4 hrs after dinner. You need to take Iron pill with some Vit. C. On an empty stomach about 4 hrs before eating for it to work it's best. Yet some Iron pills are very hard on the stomach. So my Dr. put me on the following because I suffered from Heartburn and Reflux. Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg - 106 mg Elemental Iron so I was doing 212 mgs of Elemental Iron here is a link to where I got this. http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100155 & navAction=jump & navCount=\ 1 & id=prod1194792 And this is the Vit. C I take with each Iron pill. http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html I have been on this now 11 months and little by little my Ferritin levels were coming up very slow as follows. After 8 weeks testing on 12/07 I went up from 18 to 24 and my above blood count all went just above normal my Dr. said not to worry this was because on the Iron pill. He also started testing my Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 83 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 391 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 21 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 364 to 365. On 02/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 24 to 31 and blood count still above normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 89 up from 83 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 345 down from 391 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 26 up from 21 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 went up from 365 to 372. At this time I was having Hyper Thyroid symptoms I know TSH is nothing but mine show very low .03. I was have very high heart beat sweating and my temps avg went up to over 99.4. So my Dr. lowered my Armour down from 4 to 3 grains I later found this was to low. Also at this time my Heartburn and Reflux were gone and my Breathing and Engery was so much better I was able to come of 3 meds I was on for this. I never thought I could feel this good again. On 04/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 31 to 43 and blood count still above normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 117 up from 89 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 334 down from 345 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 35 up from 26 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 went down from 372 to 309 but I felt fine. On 06/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 43 to 64 and blood count Just at the top of normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 118 up from 117 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 354 up from 345 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 33 dowm from 35 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 has not been done my Dr. has a new lab tech and my labs are not getting done right. At this point my Dr. lower me down from 2 Iron pills to one a day I still felt fine. On 08/08 labs for Ferritin went down and I feel it 52 from 64 and due to new lab tech no blood count labs. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 105 down from 118 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 351 down from 354 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 39 dowm from 33 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 is not done when it rains it pores not that I really need it the lab tech is not asking for it I think my Dr. Fired the person. He is do a new test Folate RBC and I am below normal this is not good with Anemia 212 range >280 ng/mL RBC. I told him I take a double dose of Folic Acid how can this be. He said I might need a different kind here is what I am taking. http://www.myvitanet.com/foac80andb25.html This is what I need to take. http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-60/dp/B000FGWCIW I am not feel very good I have the Heartburn and Reflux back and feel now like I am hypo on my Thyroid so my Dr. upped my dose 30mgs of Armour now on 3.5 grains. And I have a bad upper respiratory infection now going on 3 weeks just finishing my second set of Antibiotics. A good friend of mine Hardasnails1973 told me about adding B-12, Folic Acid and a Multi-Vit to some DMSO and putting an eye dropper full on my forearms. I ran this past my Dr. telling him in the link the Phd said it helps to bring up Iron levels he said try it. Here is a link to the site one needs to read the links below Heath Notes on Anemia, DMSO and Crohn's Disease. Here is a cut and past on mixing it. When I tried this wow it felt like I took a big B-12 shot. Now I don't know if this is going to bring up my Iron levels until my next set of labs the end of this month but I am still on one Iron pill doing this DMSO 2x's a week after a morning shower. My breathing is much better and I feel much better and I am still sick with the infection. http://www.krysalis.net/b12.htm ================================================================================\ ==================== I use a two ounce bottle with an eyedropper, add 10mg of vitamin B12 sublingual (ten 1000 mcg tablets), 9.6 mg of folic acid (twelve 800 mcg tablets) and a single multivitimin-multimineral tablet and fill it with 99.9% DMSO (leaving a bubble at the top so it can be mixed when shaken). All ingredients were obtained from my local health food store. The tablets are mostly binder and take a few days to fall apart. They don't fully dissolve, but that doesn't seem to matter in terms of potency. I now use this regularly on approximately a once every month or two basis. It serves as a reasonable mood elevator for me, and I believe it contributes significantly to my general health. My interpretation is I seem to become deficient in vitamin B12 even though I take oral supplements regularly. ================================================================================\ ==================== I also found a better brand of Iron to take that is easy on your stomach and stronger. I am going to try this here is cut and paste about it from this link. http://www.amazon.com/Feosol-Carbonyl-Supplement-Therapy-Caplets/dp/B000FKJX62 ================================================================================\ ==================== Product Description Feosol Carbonyl Iron Supplement is a pure form of Iron, and the No. 1 doctor recommended iron supplement. Designed to be gentle to your stomach. the supplement is made up of 45 milligrams of elemental iron per caplet (250 percent of Daily Value). Most ordinary iron products contain iron salts that can upset your stomach, but Feosol caplets are different. They contain pure iron micro particles called carbonyl iron. This advanced formula is specially designed to be well absorbed by your body and gentle on your stomach. The caplets also comes in an easy to carry bottle. (Note: The 45 milligrams of Elemental Iron per Feosol Caplet is the same amount of Elemental Iron as in 225 milligrams of Ferrous Sulfate USP.) ================================================================================\ ==================== I am also going to try this for my Heartburn and Reflux, Natural Factors - DGL Chewable Tablets -Deglycyrrhizinated Licorice Root Extract - T - 90 http://tinyurl.com/5buol6 I am getting relief using this taking 3 tablets in the middle of each meal. http://www.myvitanet.com/dresuen180ta.html I do feel I have been Anemic for over 25 yrs from the fist time I got sick and seen a Dr. he told me after labs I was Anemic after a time on iron pills and not getting better I was sent to see a Blood Dr. this guy I was told is the best yet he did not speak good English I had a hard time understanding him. Also he ordered new labs but did not tell me to stop the Iron pills I was on a week before doing the labs. So when the labs came back he said I was fine that my Dr.'s labs were not anygood. I figured this out when my Dr. told me to stop iron pills 5 to 7 days before doing labs. The following is a Cut and Paste of what Janie might have put in her new book " Stop The Thyroid Maddness " . ================================================================================\ ==================== Though it's most common with women, men are not immune from having low ferritin. Phil, a thyroid, adrenal and pituitary patient who specializes in men's issues, states: I had a lot of problems and couldn't pinpoint what was holding me back. My testosterone levels on meds were good; my HC meds were working; my thyroid levels were better; bI didn't get sick anymore in the winter. Still I went to bed fatigued and got up fatigued. I had a high pulse rate over 110 bpm at rest. I was out of breath just from getting a glass of water. Sometime, I felt as if I would pass out. I had mucus stuck in my throat just at the bottom of my neck, and had to hack over and over to get it up so I could breathe. To be honest with you I felt like I had congestive heart failure. Here I am on Florinef for low aldosterone levels, yet I was holding water so bad that I needed to take water pills every other day. It made no sense. Finally, the women on a group I belong to pushed me into testing Ferritin. My levels come back below normal. I was at 18 and the low end of the range is 29. After taking 212 mgs. of elemental iron from Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg., my Ferritin come up to only 24 after taking this for 7 weeks. Yet my breathing is so much better. I fly up and down stairs without getting our of breath. I stopped taking meds to help me breathe, as well as a med for reflux. I have dropped 22 lbs since using iron while being on the Weight Watchers program, while before, I gained on Weight Watchers. I am now getting exercise and not housebound. My feelings of depression have lessened, and hell, my sex life is better. I asked my Dr. why my iron levels are so low, and he feels it's the hypopituitary problem with so many low hormones. ================================================================================\ ==================== I Pray I did not bore you all to death with this long post and hope this helps others. As I do more labs I will add to this. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly > above > > range RBC, > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood > and > > the > > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work > > looked > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough > iron, > > iron > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at > 90% of > > range > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to > produce > > red > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low > if > > your iron > > > was low? > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > > treatment. I > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if > the > > doctor > > > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks > maybe > > it was > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Yes you need to run them tests I did them all nothing showed up but low Folic Acid labs. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > Subject: Low Iron & High > RBC > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly > > above > > > range RBC, > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating > blood > > and > > > the > > > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood > work > > > looked > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure > enough > > iron, > > > iron > > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was > at > > 90% of > > > range > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used > to > > produce > > > red > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be > low > > if > > > your iron > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of > recommended > > > treatment. I > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure > if > > the > > > doctor > > > > knows what is causing that. I believe he > thinks > > maybe > > > it was > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 They did TIBC UIBC Iron Iron % Sat Ferritin Reticulocyte Count The CBC showed signs of low iron first. They want to see if I'm bleeding internally and if not have me take iron pills. My B12 was okay before and since that test have been injecting 7,500mcg of Methyl B12 every week. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 11:29:50 AM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC Yes you need to run them tests I did them all nothing showed up but low Folic Acid labs. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > Subject: Low Iron & High > RBC > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly > > above > > > range RBC, > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating > blood > > and > > > the > > > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood > work > > > looked > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure > enough > > iron, > > > iron > > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was > at > > 90% of > > > range > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used > to > > produce > > > red > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be > low > > if > > > your iron > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of > recommended > > > treatment. I > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure > if > > the > > > doctor > > > > knows what is causing that. I believe he > thinks > > maybe > > > it was > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 You could try adding this supplement to your B-12. http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-60/dp/B000FGWCIW Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > > Subject: Low Iron & > High > > RBC > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 > PM > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > > > simple blood work done. I have had > slightly > > > above > > > > range RBC, > > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been > donating > > blood > > > and > > > > the > > > > > levels are falling. Some of the other > blood > > work > > > > looked > > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and > sure > > enough > > > iron, > > > > iron > > > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC > was > > at > > > 90% of > > > > range > > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly > used > > to > > > produce > > > > red > > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your > RBC be > > low > > > if > > > > your iron > > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of > > recommended > > > > treatment. I > > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not > sure > > if > > > the > > > > doctor > > > > > knows what is causing that. I believe > he > > thinks > > > maybe > > > > it was > > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Thanks Phil. I take one of these a day. http://www.protherainc.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=TRB Only 400 folic but a good supplement. I think you can only get it from a doctor. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 3:04:40 PM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC You could try adding this supplement to your B-12. http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-60/dp/B000FGWCIW Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > > Subject: Low Iron & > High > > RBC > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 > PM > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > > > simple blood work done. I have had > slightly > > > above > > > > range RBC, > > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been > donating > > blood > > > and > > > > the > > > > > levels are falling. Some of the other > blood > > work > > > > looked > > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and > sure > > enough > > > iron, > > > > iron > > > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC > was > > at > > > 90% of > > > > range > > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly > used > > to > > > produce > > > > red > > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your > RBC be > > low > > > if > > > > your iron > > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of > > recommended > > > > treatment. I > > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not > sure > > if > > > the > > > > doctor > > > > > knows what is causing that. I believe > he > > thinks > > > maybe > > > > it was > > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 That looks like a good one I will look into this one I take alot of B's would love to get them all in one pill. ================================================== PHILIP’S MED’S •Simvastatin( ) 20 mg. bedtime for Cholestrol. I stopped this one having bad back and joint pain. •Arimidex .25 mg./day. •Aspirin 81 mg 2x’s/day. •Alprazolam(Xanax) .25 mg. up to 1x at morning and bedtime. •Atenolol 50 mg. 1x/day morning for heart beta-blocker. •Triamterene/HCTZ 37.5/25 mgs. Everyday. •Testosterone .35ml. or 70 mgs shot every 3 days. *HCG 250 IU’s shot the 1 day each before next Testosterone shot. •Celebrex 200 mgs. 2x/day morning and dinner. •Cortef 30 mgs. total 10 mgs morning, 5mgs at 9am, 10 mgs at 1pm and 5 mgs at 6pm. •Florinef .1 mgs. 1x’s/day. •Humatrope 6 mg. Pen doing .15mgs at betime shot. •Cialis 5 mgs/ day for heart and BP. Supplements •Ferrous Fumarate Iron pills 324 mgs 2x’s/day morning and dinner. •Glucosamine HCI 1500 MGS. – Chondroitin Sulface 1200 mgs. 2x/day. •Lovaza 1gm. 1x/day Fish Oil. •TMG 750mg 1pm and 11pm 2 pills a day. •Solary Super Bio C 2 x’s/day 1000 mgs. Total. •l-Arginine and l-Orthinine 100 Capsules, 750 mg, Twinlab 1 at bedtime. •NOW brand ZMA 800mgs 3 at bedtime. •Copper 2mgs 1 at noon. •Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients 3/day. •Maca. 1 tsp in the moning and 1 tsp at noon. •Biotics Bio-D-Mulsion Forte Vit. D 2000 IU's per drop I am doing 10 drops a day. •Iodoral Iodine 1 tab / day. •I went with NOW brand for the following supplements do to a high levels on a Homocysteine Cardiovascular and below normal level of Folate RBC labs. •NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Molybdenum - 600 mg. •B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week. •Coenzyme B Complex. •P-5-P (Coenzyme B6) 50 mg. •I am taking 800 mcg. Folacal for low Folate RBC. •BioCitrate Selenium - 200 mcg 1x’s / day morning. •Doctor's Best - Best Ubiquinol featuring Kaneka's QH (50mg) Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > > > Subject: Low Iron > & > > High > > > RBC > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, > 2:12 > > PM > > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > > > > simple blood work done. I have > had > > slightly > > > > above > > > > > range RBC, > > > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been > > donating > > > blood > > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > levels are falling. Some of the > other > > blood > > > work > > > > > looked > > > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work back > and > > sure > > > enough > > > > iron, > > > > > iron > > > > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. > TIBC > > was > > > at > > > > 90% of > > > > > range > > > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is > mainly > > used > > > to > > > > produce > > > > > red > > > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically > your > > RBC be > > > low > > > > if > > > > > your iron > > > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of > > > recommended > > > > > treatment. I > > > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am > not > > sure > > > if > > > > the > > > > > doctor > > > > > > knows what is causing that. I > believe > > he > > > thinks > > > > maybe > > > > > it was > > > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Wow! Your arm is probably tired from taking all of those. My doctor charges $24 for the Thera-B. There are 100 in a bottle. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 6:52:55 PM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC That looks like a good one I will look into this one I take alot of B's would love to get them all in one pill. ================================================== PHILIP’S MED’S •Simvastatin( ) 20 mg. bedtime for Cholestrol. I stopped this one having bad back and joint pain. •Arimidex .25 mg./day. •Aspirin 81 mg 2x’s/day. •Alprazolam(Xanax) .25 mg. up to 1x at morning and bedtime. •Atenolol 50 mg. 1x/day morning for heart beta-blocker. •Triamterene/HCTZ 37.5/25 mgs. Everyday. •Testosterone .35ml. or 70 mgs shot every 3 days. *HCG 250 IU’s shot the 1 day each before next Testosterone shot. •Celebrex 200 mgs. 2x/day morning and dinner. •Cortef 30 mgs. total 10 mgs morning, 5mgs at 9am, 10 mgs at 1pm and 5 mgs at 6pm. •Florinef .1 mgs. 1x’s/day. •Humatrope 6 mg. Pen doing .15mgs at betime shot. •Cialis 5 mgs/ day for heart and BP. Supplements •Ferrous Fumarate Iron pills 324 mgs 2x’s/day morning and dinner. •Glucosamine HCI 1500 MGS. – Chondroitin Sulface 1200 mgs. 2x/day. •Lovaza 1gm. 1x/day Fish Oil. •TMG 750mg 1pm and 11pm 2 pills a day. •Solary Super Bio C 2 x’s/day 1000 mgs. Total. •l-Arginine and l-Orthinine 100 Capsules, 750 mg, Twinlab 1 at bedtime. •NOW brand ZMA 800mgs 3 at bedtime. •Copper 2mgs 1 at noon. •Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients 3/day. •Maca. 1 tsp in the moning and 1 tsp at noon. •Biotics Bio-D-Mulsion Forte Vit. D 2000 IU's per drop I am doing 10 drops a day. •Iodoral Iodine 1 tab / day. •I went with NOW brand for the following supplements do to a high levels on a Homocysteine Cardiovascular and below normal level of Folate RBC labs. •NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Molybdenum - 600 mg. •B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week. •Coenzyme B Complex. •P-5-P (Coenzyme B6) 50 mg. •I am taking 800 mcg. Folacal for low Folate RBC. •BioCitrate Selenium - 200 mcg 1x’s / day morning. •Doctor's Best - Best Ubiquinol featuring Kaneka's QH (50mg) Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > > > Subject: Low Iron > & > > High > > > RBC > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, > 2:12 > > PM > > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > > > > simple blood work done. I have > had > > slightly > > > > above > > > > > range RBC, > > > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been > > donating > > > blood > > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > levels are falling. Some of the > other > > blood > > > work > > > > > looked > > > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work back > and > > sure > > > enough > > > > iron, > > > > > iron > > > > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. > TIBC > > was > > > at > > > > 90% of > > > > > range > > > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is > mainly > > used > > > to > > > > produce > > > > > red > > > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically > your > > RBC be > > > low > > > > if > > > > > your iron > > > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of > > > recommended > > > > > treatment. I > > > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am > not > > sure > > > if > > > > the > > > > > doctor > > > > > > knows what is causing that. I > believe > > he > > > thinks > > > > maybe > > > > > it was > > > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 With the help of Hardasnails and my Dr. I have gotten my Homocysteine Cardiovascular levels down very good. Every Sunday I sit at the table and spend about an 1hr. putting all them dam pills in my weekly pill case. But they all work If I go on this HCG diet no starch and sugar or oil so most of them supplements I will need to stop. But from what I have read so far you don't need them on this diet. I read yesterday Dr. is rethinking his thoughts about this diet. At first he felt is was a hoax. I followed my Weight Watches Diet to the letter all last week went out to eat last night this morning gained the 5 lbs I lost and I can tell it's water. And last night I ate the diet I need to do something and this HCG diet looks like it's what I need. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Low > Iron > > & > > > High > > > > RBC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, > 2010, > > 2:12 > > > PM > > > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got > some > > > > > > > simple blood work done. I > have > > had > > > slightly > > > > > above > > > > > > range RBC, > > > > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have > been > > > donating > > > > blood > > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > levels are falling. Some of > the > > other > > > blood > > > > work > > > > > > looked > > > > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work > back > > and > > > sure > > > > enough > > > > > iron, > > > > > > iron > > > > > > > saturation, and ferritin were > low. > > TIBC > > > was > > > > at > > > > > 90% of > > > > > > range > > > > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron > is > > mainly > > > used > > > > to > > > > > produce > > > > > > red > > > > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't > typically > > your > > > RBC be > > > > low > > > > > if > > > > > > your iron > > > > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter > of > > > > recommended > > > > > > treatment. I > > > > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. > I am > > not > > > sure > > > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > knows what is causing that. > I > > believe > > > he > > > > thinks > > > > > maybe > > > > > > it was > > > > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 My doctor keeps mentioning it to me too. I just don't like the idea of how much muscle I would lose just eating 500cals a day. I can eat 2500 now and lose 1-2 pounds a week. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 8:52:40 AM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC With the help of Hardasnails and my Dr. I have gotten my Homocysteine Cardiovascular levels down very good. Every Sunday I sit at the table and spend about an 1hr. putting all them dam pills in my weekly pill case. But they all work If I go on this HCG diet no starch and sugar or oil so most of them supplements I will need to stop. But from what I have read so far you don't need them on this diet. I read yesterday Dr. is rethinking his thoughts about this diet. At first he felt is was a hoax. I followed my Weight Watches Diet to the letter all last week went out to eat last night this morning gained the 5 lbs I lost and I can tell it's water. And last night I ate the diet I need to do something and this HCG diet looks like it's what I need. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Low > Iron > > & > > > High > > > > RBC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, > 2010, > > 2:12 > > > PM > > > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got > some > > > > > > > simple blood work done. I > have > > had > > > slightly > > > > > above > > > > > > range RBC, > > > > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have > been > > > donating > > > > blood > > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > levels are falling. Some of > the > > other > > > blood > > > > work > > > > > > looked > > > > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work > back > > and > > > sure > > > > enough > > > > > iron, > > > > > > iron > > > > > > > saturation, and ferritin were > low. > > TIBC > > > was > > > > at > > > > > 90% of > > > > > > range > > > > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron > is > > mainly > > > used > > > > to > > > > > produce > > > > > > red > > > > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't > typically > > your > > > RBC be > > > > low > > > > > if > > > > > > your iron > > > > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter > of > > > > recommended > > > > > > treatment. I > > > > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. > I am > > not > > > sure > > > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > knows what is causing that. > I > > believe > > > he > > > > thinks > > > > > maybe > > > > > > it was > > > > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Yes this was my thinking until I read the Dr. paper on the Diet HCG acts on the Diencephalon to get your body to live off your fat stores so doing the 500 cal plus adding the cals from your fat it = about 2000 cals a day and you don't lose muscle your body dose not go into starvation mode you only lose your Fat from our storage. You even keep the fat that protects your vital organs. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > > > > > Subject: > Low > > Iron > > > & > > > > High > > > > > RBC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June > 23, > > 2010, > > > 2:12 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > A couple of weeks ago I > got > > some > > > > > > > > simple blood work done. > I > > have > > > had > > > > slightly > > > > > > above > > > > > > > range RBC, > > > > > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I > have > > been > > > > donating > > > > > blood > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > levels are falling. Some > of > > the > > > other > > > > blood > > > > > work > > > > > > > looked > > > > > > > > suspicious for low > iron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got that blood > work > > back > > > and > > > > sure > > > > > enough > > > > > > iron, > > > > > > > iron > > > > > > > > saturation, and ferritin > were > > low. > > > TIBC > > > > was > > > > > at > > > > > > 90% of > > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > and UIBC was above > range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I understand it > iron > > is > > > mainly > > > > used > > > > > to > > > > > > produce > > > > > > > red > > > > > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't > > typically > > > your > > > > RBC be > > > > > low > > > > > > if > > > > > > > your iron > > > > > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a > letter > > of > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > treatment. I > > > > > > > > should have it by > tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range > too. > > I am > > > not > > > > sure > > > > > if > > > > > > the > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > knows what is causing > that. > > I > > > believe > > > > he > > > > > thinks > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > it was > > > > > > > > a fluke and will > retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 No blood in stool so doctor has put me on 40mg of Bio-Tech Ferrous Gluconate. I have been taking 20mg in the morning and 20mg in the evening. http://www.houseofnutrition.com/ferr2.html ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:53:41 AM Subject: Re: Low Iron & High RBC This takes time I started to get better in about 4 months but by a yr. I was like a new man. My breathing was much better and my Fatigue. On Iron pills you need to stop them about a week before labs to see how your doing on them doing labs levels will look high or better when they are not. Here are the labs I have done. Total Iron Iron Binding Capacity Iron % Saturation Ferritin B-12 Here is a story I did for STTM. ================================================= First I want to thank the mods here at STTM for telling me to get my Ferritin tested. My labs I feel have showed a problem with my blood but Dr.'s only look for above or below normal on labs not trends. The first lab test on my Ferritin was done on 10/07 it was 18 low with a range of 20 to 380 ng/mL. I later found out most younger men test between 100 to 170. We are trying to get me up past 70 I am not there yet. At this time my Free T3 was 364 range 230 to 420 pg/dL on 4 grains of Armour you will see this go up as my iron levels come up. Here is what my blood looked like at the time I tested Ferritin. Red Blood Cell Count 5.42 range 4.20 to 5.80 Million/uL. Hemuglobin 14.2 on the low side range 13.2 to 17.1 g/dL. Hematocrit 44 on the low side range 38.5 to 50%. MCV 81.1 on the low side range 80 to 100 fL. MCH 26.2 below normal range 27 to 33 pg. I allways get a copy of my labs and I called my Dr. and told him how low this is and asked how do we treat this. I went on 2 Iron pills one in between the morning meal and lunch and the other 4 hrs after dinner. You need to take Iron pill with some Vit. C. On an empty stomach about 4 hrs before eating for it to work it's best. Yet some Iron pills are very hard on the stomach. So my Dr. put me on the following because I suffered from Heartburn and Reflux. Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg - 106 mg Elemental Iron so I was doing 212 mgs of Elemental Iron here is a link to where I got this. http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100155 & navAction=jump & navCount=\ 1 & id=prod1194792 And this is the Vit. C I take with each Iron pill. http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html I have been on this now 11 months and little by little my Ferritin levels were coming up very slow as follows. After 8 weeks testing on 12/07 I went up from 18 to 24 and my above blood count all went just above normal my Dr. said not to worry this was because on the Iron pill. He also started testing my Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 83 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 391 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 21 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 364 to 365. On 02/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 24 to 31 and blood count still above normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 89 up from 83 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 345 down from 391 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 26 up from 21 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 went up from 365 to 372. At this time I was having Hyper Thyroid symptoms I know TSH is nothing but mine show very low .03. I was have very high heart beat sweating and my temps avg went up to over 99.4. So my Dr. lowered my Armour down from 4 to 3 grains I later found this was to low. Also at this time my Heartburn and Reflux were gone and my Breathing and Engery was so much better I was able to come of 3 meds I was on for this. I never thought I could feel this good again. On 04/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 31 to 43 and blood count still above normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 117 up from 89 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 334 down from 345 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 35 up from 26 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 went down from 372 to 309 but I felt fine. On 06/08 labs for Ferritin come up from 43 to 64 and blood count Just at the top of normal. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 118 up from 117 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 354 up from 345 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 33 dowm from 35 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 has not been done my Dr. has a new lab tech and my labs are not getting done right. At this point my Dr. lower me down from 2 Iron pills to one a day I still felt fine. On 08/08 labs for Ferritin went down and I feel it 52 from 64 and due to new lab tech no blood count labs. Iron and Total Iron Binding Capacity levels as follows. Iron Total 105 down from 118 range 45 to 170 mcg/dL. Iron Binding Capacity 351 down from 354 range 250 to 425 mcg/dL. % Saturation 39 dowm from 33 range 20 to 50% (calc). My Free T3 is not done when it rains it pores not that I really need it the lab tech is not asking for it I think my Dr. Fired the person. He is do a new test Folate RBC and I am below normal this is not good with Anemia 212 range >280 ng/mL RBC. I told him I take a double dose of Folic Acid how can this be. He said I might need a different kind here is what I am taking. http://www.myvitanet.com/foac80andb25.html This is what I need to take. http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-60/dp/B000FGWCIW I am not feel very good I have the Heartburn and Reflux back and feel now like I am hypo on my Thyroid so my Dr. upped my dose 30mgs of Armour now on 3.5 grains. And I have a bad upper respiratory infection now going on 3 weeks just finishing my second set of Antibiotics. A good friend of mine Hardasnails1973 told me about adding B-12, Folic Acid and a Multi-Vit to some DMSO and putting an eye dropper full on my forearms. I ran this past my Dr. telling him in the link the Phd said it helps to bring up Iron levels he said try it. Here is a link to the site one needs to read the links below Heath Notes on Anemia, DMSO and Crohn's Disease. Here is a cut and past on mixing it. When I tried this wow it felt like I took a big B-12 shot. Now I don't know if this is going to bring up my Iron levels until my next set of labs the end of this month but I am still on one Iron pill doing this DMSO 2x's a week after a morning shower. My breathing is much better and I feel much better and I am still sick with the infection. http://www.krysalis.net/b12.htm ================================================================================\ ==================== I use a two ounce bottle with an eyedropper, add 10mg of vitamin B12 sublingual (ten 1000 mcg tablets), 9.6 mg of folic acid (twelve 800 mcg tablets) and a single multivitimin-multimineral tablet and fill it with 99.9% DMSO (leaving a bubble at the top so it can be mixed when shaken). All ingredients were obtained from my local health food store. The tablets are mostly binder and take a few days to fall apart. They don't fully dissolve, but that doesn't seem to matter in terms of potency. I now use this regularly on approximately a once every month or two basis. It serves as a reasonable mood elevator for me, and I believe it contributes significantly to my general health. My interpretation is I seem to become deficient in vitamin B12 even though I take oral supplements regularly. ================================================================================\ ==================== I also found a better brand of Iron to take that is easy on your stomach and stronger. I am going to try this here is cut and paste about it from this link. http://www.amazon.com/Feosol-Carbonyl-Supplement-Therapy-Caplets/dp/B000FKJX62 ================================================================================\ ==================== Product Description Feosol Carbonyl Iron Supplement is a pure form of Iron, and the No. 1 doctor recommended iron supplement. Designed to be gentle to your stomach. the supplement is made up of 45 milligrams of elemental iron per caplet (250 percent of Daily Value). Most ordinary iron products contain iron salts that can upset your stomach, but Feosol caplets are different. They contain pure iron micro particles called carbonyl iron. This advanced formula is specially designed to be well absorbed by your body and gentle on your stomach. The caplets also comes in an easy to carry bottle. (Note: The 45 milligrams of Elemental Iron per Feosol Caplet is the same amount of Elemental Iron as in 225 milligrams of Ferrous Sulfate USP.) ================================================================================\ ==================== I am also going to try this for my Heartburn and Reflux, Natural Factors - DGL Chewable Tablets -Deglycyrrhizinated Licorice Root Extract - T - 90 http://tinyurl.com/5buol6 I am getting relief using this taking 3 tablets in the middle of each meal. http://www.myvitanet.com/dresuen180ta.html I do feel I have been Anemic for over 25 yrs from the fist time I got sick and seen a Dr. he told me after labs I was Anemic after a time on iron pills and not getting better I was sent to see a Blood Dr. this guy I was told is the best yet he did not speak good English I had a hard time understanding him. Also he ordered new labs but did not tell me to stop the Iron pills I was on a week before doing the labs. So when the labs came back he said I was fine that my Dr.'s labs were not anygood. I figured this out when my Dr. told me to stop iron pills 5 to 7 days before doing labs. The following is a Cut and Paste of what Janie might have put in her new book " Stop The Thyroid Maddness " . ================================================================================\ ==================== Though it's most common with women, men are not immune from having low ferritin. Phil, a thyroid, adrenal and pituitary patient who specializes in men's issues, states: I had a lot of problems and couldn't pinpoint what was holding me back. My testosterone levels on meds were good; my HC meds were working; my thyroid levels were better; bI didn't get sick anymore in the winter. Still I went to bed fatigued and got up fatigued. I had a high pulse rate over 110 bpm at rest. I was out of breath just from getting a glass of water. Sometime, I felt as if I would pass out. I had mucus stuck in my throat just at the bottom of my neck, and had to hack over and over to get it up so I could breathe. To be honest with you I felt like I had congestive heart failure. Here I am on Florinef for low aldosterone levels, yet I was holding water so bad that I needed to take water pills every other day. It made no sense. Finally, the women on a group I belong to pushed me into testing Ferritin. My levels come back below normal. I was at 18 and the low end of the range is 29. After taking 212 mgs. of elemental iron from Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg., my Ferritin come up to only 24 after taking this for 7 weeks. Yet my breathing is so much better. I fly up and down stairs without getting our of breath. I stopped taking meds to help me breathe, as well as a med for reflux. I have dropped 22 lbs since using iron while being on the Weight Watchers program, while before, I gained on Weight Watchers. I am now getting exercise and not housebound. My feelings of depression have lessened, and hell, my sex life is better. I asked my Dr. why my iron levels are so low, and he feels it's the hypopituitary problem with so many low hormones. ================================================================================\ ==================== I Pray I did not bore you all to death with this long post and hope this helps others. As I do more labs I will add to this. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > Subject: Low Iron & High RBC > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly > above > > range RBC, > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating blood > and > > the > > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood work > > looked > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure enough > iron, > > iron > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was at > 90% of > > range > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used to > produce > > red > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be low > if > > your iron > > > was low? > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of recommended > > treatment. I > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure if > the > > doctor > > > knows what is causing that. I believe he thinks > maybe > > it was > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 I am not sure about that one you need over 200mgs a day of Elemental Iron I don't see what it is in your iron pills. Read this. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin/ I take one of these every 12 hrs with Vit. C. http://www.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Minerals/Ferrous-Fumarate-324-mg/ID=prod1\ 194792 & navCount=0 & navAction=push-product Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: <brianee93@...> > > > > Subject: Low Iron & High > RBC > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:12 PM > > > > A couple of weeks ago I got some > > > > simple blood work done. I have had slightly > > above > > > range RBC, > > > > hemocrit, hemoglobin. I have been donating > blood > > and > > > the > > > > levels are falling. Some of the other blood > work > > > looked > > > > suspicious for low iron. > > > > > > > > I just got that blood work back and sure > enough > > iron, > > > iron > > > > saturation, and ferritin were low. TIBC was > at > > 90% of > > > range > > > > and UIBC was above range. > > > > > > > > The way I understand it iron is mainly used > to > > produce > > > red > > > > blood cells. Wouldn't typically your RBC be > low > > if > > > your iron > > > > was low? > > > > > > > > My doctor is sending a letter of > recommended > > > treatment. I > > > > should have it by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > My WBC were below range too. I am not sure > if > > the > > > doctor > > > > knows what is causing that. I believe he > thinks > > maybe > > > it was > > > > a fluke and will retest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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