Re: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol levels in men?

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

I got Preg. cream by accident and was on it 2 weeks before I seen it was not

Preg. cream. It's Life-Flo 20 mgs. I was feeling so much better on it thinking

it's the Preg. cream I posted about it at Dr. 's and one of the guys asked

where I got the Life-Flo Preg. cream I posted a link and he posted back to me

it's Prog. cream.

Well let me tell you this stuff Dr. was saying about it's use might be

right but so far I don't see it I feel great and all I think about is sex and

even dream abou it. Last night with my wife I lasted over an hour before using

this Prog. cream the best I could do to keep it up was about 20 min.s.

On he Preg. cream my labs were 77 up from near the bottom but my Prog. levels

were <0.5 top of range is <1.4 I am told I am very low.

So I am going to use this up I have a good 6 weeks left then I am going to do

labs and see how things look. I am told it's not good to do Preg. and Prog.

cream at the same time. I was thinking try it every other day but I am told not

to do this to use one or the other. So for now I am going with the Prog. cream.

My God I feel like I was 20 again and I put it on in the morning.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol levels

in men?

>

> Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 2:50 PM

> DH takes about 5mg of my topical

> progesterone nightly.  It seems to help induce

> sleep.  I had read it counters high estrogen, just like

> in women, and had been successfully used by men with BPH or

> prostate cancer.  It's also supposed to counter

> DHT.  Phil said Dr. said it was not good for men,

> and that pregnenolone was better.  So I stopped the

> progesterone and started pregnenolone and well, he didn't

> feel as well.  So went back to the progesterone. 

>

>

> I take pregnenolone myself to boost my DHEA/testosterone

> with no problems.  Am going to try giving him

> pregnenolone before sex, because I read on another site that

> can help if you have fatigue after sex, and he does. 

> Sex may deplete his cortisol, and both progesterone and

> pregnenolone can convert to cortisol.

>

> Pregnenolone is not benign and large doses can result in

> heart palpitations.  I can't even take 5 mg at a time,

> but take 2.5 mg twice a week.

>

> There are some studies that show chrysin to be ineffective,

> and apparently it's destroyed in your digestion, so it

> should be used topically.  Then I read elsewhere that

> it can interfere with thyroid T4 to T3 conversion.  So

> I've never tried him on chrysin.

>

> I think a huge thing doctors are overlooking is getting

> thyroid optimal.  Excess estrogen is supposed to be

> processed out in your liver, and if you have suboptimal

> thyroid, you will have a sluggish liver.  If you have

> suboptimal thyroid, you may also have excess weight, which

> would raise belly fat and the aromatase enzyme.  Low

> thyroid also leads to low cortisol, and low cortisol often

> enhances the estrogen pathway. 

>

> It's also possible that many have high estrogen because

> they're just plain taking too much testosterone.  If

> you only do labs right before your next shot, you'll never

> know how high you peak.  If you peak way over range, it

> would seem logical to lower your dose and shoot more

> often.  DH is now dosing 25 mg TC every 5 days, 1 DIM

> at dinnertime, 2 grains Erfa thyroid + 25 mcg levothyroxine

> and 5 mg progesterone daily.  His mood is now the best

> I've seen in three years of this roller coaster ride (too

> high or too low) with thyroid, HC, testosterone cream, high

> estradiol with the red face (which brought me here), and

> then the switch to TC shots.

>

> Barb

>

>

> >

> > My wife's hormone doctor went to this conference

> >

> > October, 2010 Advanced Bioidentical Hormone

> Replacement Therapy Medical Conference

> >

> > Among the notes she took were these

> >

> > Heretofore, Anastrozole (Arimidex) 0.5 mg 1-3 x per

> week has been prescribed to lower Estradiol. Arimidex is a

> breast cancer medication. Estrogen in the male must not get

> too low as Estrogen is necessary for a man's brain, heart,

> and bone

> >

> > A less toxic way to lower high Estrogen levels in men

> is to inhibit Aromatase with the following: Chrysin (a

> bioflavinoid) 250 mg po BID or TD, Zinc Citrate 30 mg TID,

> Progesterone 5-10 mg TD, AND decrease belly fat. Those 12

> month pregnancies I see in men increase the conversion of

> Testosterone to Estradiol

> >

> > What are the thoughts about using progesterone instead

> of Arimidex to lower high estrogen levels - this would

> certainly be a less toxic method without all the potential

> side effects

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well chilln at Dr. 's forum told me to try taking 5mgs of HC at bedtime to

see if this slows down the conversion of T into E2 and it worked I went from

taking 1mgs / day of arimidex to .25mgs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol levels

in men?

>

> Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 3:29 PM

> Well you've heard me complain about

> DH's non lack of libido LOL!  Maybe it's the

> progesterone!  I am keeping him on the daily

> progesterone but will give him 2.5 mg pregnenolone on days

> we have sex and see if that helps.  Logically, it

> doesn't make sense to supplement both, or maybe if you did,

> you'd need to cut the dose of each.  Even when his

> estradiol was high, he has always had good libido. 

> When his thyroid/cortisol were very low, he may not have

> been able to catch me, but he wanted to LOL!

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > >

> > > > My wife's hormone doctor went to this

> conference

> > > >

> > > > October, 2010 Advanced Bioidentical Hormone

> > > Replacement Therapy Medical Conference

> > > >

> > > > Among the notes she took were these

> > > >

> > > > Heretofore, Anastrozole (Arimidex) 0.5 mg

> 1-3 x per

> > > week has been prescribed to lower Estradiol.

> Arimidex is a

> > > breast cancer medication. Estrogen in the male

> must not get

> > > too low as Estrogen is necessary for a man's

> brain, heart,

> > > and bone

> > > >

> > > > A less toxic way to lower high Estrogen

> levels in men

> > > is to inhibit Aromatase with the following:

> Chrysin (a

> > > bioflavinoid) 250 mg po BID or TD, Zinc Citrate

> 30 mg TID,

> > > Progesterone 5-10 mg TD, AND decrease belly fat.

> Those 12

> > > month pregnancies I see in men increase the

> conversion of

> > > Testosterone to Estradiol

> > > >

> > > > What are the thoughts about using

> progesterone instead

> > > of Arimidex to lower high estrogen levels - this

> would

> > > certainly be a less toxic method without all the

> potential

> > > side effects

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well if this is all your worried about for get it. I have been on this drug for

over 7 yrs and I am not alone my Drug Store told me 7 yrs ago he sells this to

more men then women. And it's not a Cancer drug it block Estradiol in people

and it is said high levels of Estradiol is not good for anyone that has or had

cancer. It dose not treat cancer it just blocks the body from making Estradiol

and it only blocks about 50% of it. It is said today high levels of Estradiol

is the cause of some Prostate Cancer.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cvictorg <cvgrashow@...>

> Subject: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol levels

in men?

>

> Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 4:24 PM

> My last labtest from Lab Corp shows

> an estradiol level of 38 - my doc wants it between

> 20-25  BUT the idea of taking an anti-cancer drug to do

> this concerns me. Is anyone here worried about long-term

> usage of Arimidex and possibe sides??

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My wife's hormone doctor went to

> this

> > > conference

> > > > > >

> > > > > > October, 2010 Advanced

> Bioidentical Hormone

> > > > > Replacement Therapy Medical Conference

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Among the notes she took were

> these

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Heretofore, Anastrozole (Arimidex)

> 0.5 mg

> > > 1-3 x per

> > > > > week has been prescribed to lower

> Estradiol.

> > > Arimidex is a

> > > > > breast cancer medication. Estrogen in

> the male

> > > must not get

> > > > > too low as Estrogen is necessary for a

> man's

> > > brain, heart,

> > > > > and bone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A less toxic way to lower high

> Estrogen

> > > levels in men

> > > > > is to inhibit Aromatase with the

> following:

> > > Chrysin (a

> > > > > bioflavinoid) 250 mg po BID or TD, Zinc

> Citrate

> > > 30 mg TID,

> > > > > Progesterone 5-10 mg TD, AND decrease

> belly fat.

> > > Those 12

> > > > > month pregnancies I see in men increase

> the

> > > conversion of

> > > > > Testosterone to Estradiol

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the thoughts about using

> > > progesterone instead

> > > > > of Arimidex to lower high estrogen

> levels - this

> > > would

> > > > > certainly be a less toxic method

> without all the

> > > potential

> > > > > side effects

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi cvictorg,

I have been on Arimidex for about 1.5 years and have had no problems. My

doctor is also on Arimidex and has been for quite a while and he said that

he knows of nothing to say that it is not safe for long term use.

Arimidex is approved by the FDA to help fight breast cancer, but it is not a

“anti-cancer” drug per-se. Breast cancer can be caused by and will continue

to grow in women who have high levels of estrogen. Arimidex inhibits the

activity of the Aromatase enzyme. Aromatase enzymes convert Testosterone

into Estrogen. Because Arimidex lowers the level of Estrogen in the body,

it takes away the “food” that the breast cancer uses to keep growing. In

men, we use Arimidex for the same purpose – it helps to prevent testosterone

from converting into estrogen.

Yes, there are some possible side effects if you take too much and get your

estradiol levels too low. For me, I get bad ED, sore joints, and some

muscle pain. If you keep your estradiol levels too low for too long, you

can end up with some bone loss.

However, the most important thing to consider (in my mind) is the long term

effects of high estradiols. You can end up with cardiovascular problems,

blood pressure problems, ED, prostate problems (including an increased risk

of the nasty form of prostate cancer), increased inflammation, etc. Here is

a really good article that talks about the effects of high estrogen levels

in men:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-th

e-Aging-Male_01.htm

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of cvictorg

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 3:24 PM

Subject: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol

levels in men?

My last labtest from Lab Corp shows an estradiol level of 38 - my doc wants

it between 20-25 BUT the idea of taking an anti-cancer drug to do this

concerns me. Is anyone here worried about long-term usage of Arimidex and

possibe sides??

> > > > >

> > > > > My wife's hormone doctor went to this

> > conference

> > > > >

> > > > > October, 2010 Advanced Bioidentical Hormone

> > > > Replacement Therapy Medical Conference

> > > > >

> > > > > Among the notes she took were these

> > > > >

> > > > > Heretofore, Anastrozole (Arimidex) 0.5 mg

> > 1-3 x per

> > > > week has been prescribed to lower Estradiol.

> > Arimidex is a

> > > > breast cancer medication. Estrogen in the male

> > must not get

> > > > too low as Estrogen is necessary for a man's

> > brain, heart,

> > > > and bone

> > > > >

> > > > > A less toxic way to lower high Estrogen

> > levels in men

> > > > is to inhibit Aromatase with the following:

> > Chrysin (a

> > > > bioflavinoid) 250 mg po BID or TD, Zinc Citrate

> > 30 mg TID,

> > > > Progesterone 5-10 mg TD, AND decrease belly fat.

> > Those 12

> > > > month pregnancies I see in men increase the

> > conversion of

> > > > Testosterone to Estradiol

> > > > >

> > > > > What are the thoughts about using

> > progesterone instead

> > > > of Arimidex to lower high estrogen levels - this

> > would

> > > > certainly be a less toxic method without all the

> > potential

> > > > side effects

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi long links will not work here is a short one.

http://tinyurl.com/2834djz

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <hostmaster@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol

levels in men?

>

> Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 7:25 PM

> Hi cvictorg,

>

>

>

> I have been on Arimidex for about 1.5 years and have had no

> problems.  My

> doctor is also on Arimidex and has been for quite a while

> and he said that

> he knows of nothing to say that it is not safe for long

> term use.

>

>

>

> Arimidex is approved by the FDA to help fight breast

> cancer, but it is not a

> “anti-cancer†drug per-se.  Breast cancer can be

> caused by and will continue

> to grow in women who have high levels of estrogen. 

> Arimidex inhibits the

> activity of the Aromatase enzyme.  Aromatase enzymes

> convert Testosterone

> into Estrogen.  Because Arimidex lowers the level of

> Estrogen in the body,

> it takes away the “food†that the breast cancer uses to

> keep growing.  In

> men, we use Arimidex for the same purpose – it helps to

> prevent testosterone

> from converting into estrogen.

>

>

>

> Yes, there are some possible side effects if you take too

> much and get your

> estradiol levels too low.  For me, I get bad ED, sore

> joints, and some

> muscle pain.  If you keep your estradiol levels too

> low for too long, you

> can end up with some bone loss.

>

>

>

> However, the most important thing to consider (in my mind)

> is the long term

> effects of high estradiols.  You can end up with

> cardiovascular problems,

> blood pressure problems, ED, prostate problems (including

> an increased risk

> of the nasty form of prostate cancer), increased

> inflammation, etc.  Here is

> a really good article that talks about the effects of high

> estrogen levels

> in men:

> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-th

> e-Aging-Male_01.htm

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of cvictorg

> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 3:24 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Can progesterone be used to

> lower estradiol

> levels in men?

>

>

>

>  

>

> My last labtest from Lab Corp shows an estradiol level of

> 38 - my doc wants

> it between 20-25 BUT the idea of taking an anti-cancer drug

> to do this

> concerns me. Is anyone here worried about long-term usage

> of Arimidex and

> possibe sides??

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My wife's hormone doctor went to

> this

> > > conference

> > > > > >

> > > > > > October, 2010 Advanced

> Bioidentical Hormone

> > > > > Replacement Therapy Medical Conference

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Among the notes she took were

> these

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Heretofore, Anastrozole (Arimidex)

> 0.5 mg

> > > 1-3 x per

> > > > > week has been prescribed to lower

> Estradiol.

> > > Arimidex is a

> > > > > breast cancer medication. Estrogen in

> the male

> > > must not get

> > > > > too low as Estrogen is necessary for a

> man's

> > > brain, heart,

> > > > > and bone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A less toxic way to lower high

> Estrogen

> > > levels in men

> > > > > is to inhibit Aromatase with the

> following:

> > > Chrysin (a

> > > > > bioflavinoid) 250 mg po BID or TD, Zinc

> Citrate

> > > 30 mg TID,

> > > > > Progesterone 5-10 mg TD, AND decrease

> belly fat.

> > > Those 12

> > > > > month pregnancies I see in men increase

> the

> > > conversion of

> > > > > Testosterone to Estradiol

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the thoughts about using

> > > progesterone instead

> > > > > of Arimidex to lower high estrogen

> levels - this

> > > would

> > > > > certainly be a less toxic method

> without all the

> > > potential

> > > > > side effects

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil!

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:16 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol

levels in men?

Hi long links will not work here is a short one.

http://tinyurl.com/2834djz

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <hostmaster@... <mailto:hostmaster%40jancik.com> >

> Subject: RE: Re: Can progesterone be used to lower estradiol

levels in men?

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 7:25 PM

> Hi cvictorg,

>

>

>

> I have been on Arimidex for about 1.5 years and have had no

> problems. My

> doctor is also on Arimidex and has been for quite a while

> and he said that

> he knows of nothing to say that it is not safe for long

> term use.

>

>

>

> Arimidex is approved by the FDA to help fight breast

> cancer, but it is not a

> “anti-cancer†drug per-se. Breast cancer can be

> caused by and will continue

> to grow in women who have high levels of estrogen.

> Arimidex inhibits the

> activity of the Aromatase enzyme. Aromatase enzymes

> convert Testosterone

> into Estrogen. Because Arimidex lowers the level of

> Estrogen in the body,

> it takes away the “food†that the breast cancer uses to

> keep growing. In

> men, we use Arimidex for the same purpose – it helps to

> prevent testosterone

> from converting into estrogen.

>

>

>

> Yes, there are some possible side effects if you take too

> much and get your

> estradiol levels too low. For me, I get bad ED, sore

> joints, and some

> muscle pain. If you keep your estradiol levels too

> low for too long, you

> can end up with some bone loss.

>

>

>

> However, the most important thing to consider (in my mind)

> is the long term

> effects of high estradiols. You can end up with

> cardiovascular problems,

> blood pressure problems, ED, prostate problems (including

> an increased risk

> of the nasty form of prostate cancer), increased

> inflammation, etc. Here is

> a really good article that talks about the effects of high

> estrogen levels

> in men:

> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-th

> e-Aging-Male_01.htm

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: <mailto: %40>

> [mailto: <mailto: %40>

]

> On Behalf Of cvictorg

> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 3:24 PM

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: Can progesterone be used to

> lower estradiol

> levels in men?

>

>

>

>

>

> My last labtest from Lab Corp shows an estradiol level of

> 38 - my doc wants

> it between 20-25 BUT the idea of taking an anti-cancer drug

> to do this

> concerns me. Is anyone here worried about long-term usage

> of Arimidex and

> possibe sides??

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My wife's hormone doctor went to

> this

> > > conference

> > > > > >

> > > > > > October, 2010 Advanced

> Bioidentical Hormone

> > > > > Replacement Therapy Medical Conference

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Among the notes she took were

> these

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Heretofore, Anastrozole (Arimidex)

> 0.5 mg

> > > 1-3 x per

> > > > > week has been prescribed to lower

> Estradiol.

> > > Arimidex is a

> > > > > breast cancer medication. Estrogen in

> the male

> > > must not get

> > > > > too low as Estrogen is necessary for a

> man's

> > > brain, heart,

> > > > > and bone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A less toxic way to lower high

> Estrogen

> > > levels in men

> > > > > is to inhibit Aromatase with the

> following:

> > > Chrysin (a

> > > > > bioflavinoid) 250 mg po BID or TD, Zinc

> Citrate

> > > 30 mg TID,

> > > > > Progesterone 5-10 mg TD, AND decrease

> belly fat.

> > > Those 12

> > > > > month pregnancies I see in men increase

> the

> > > conversion of

> > > > > Testosterone to Estradiol

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the thoughts about using

> > > progesterone instead

> > > > > of Arimidex to lower high estrogen

> levels - this

> > > would

> > > > > certainly be a less toxic method

> without all the

> > > potential

> > > > > side effects

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >