Testosterone levels

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Re: testosterone levels

jay silvestro wrote:

> I am a 54 year old male with mid-range testosterone ( about 550 serum

> test on a scale of 300-1100) Is this a factor in my

> ability to increase mass?

i have an article from the life extension foundation's web site that

gives some normal and optimal ranges for testosterone. for total

testosterone, the conventional normal range is between 300 and 1000

ng/dL. the optimal range is 500 to 1000 ng/dL.

the url of the article has changed since i printed it. if you want to

see the entire article, go to www.lef.org and try searching for the

article titled " male hormone modulational therapy. "

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> Re: testosterone levels

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> jay silvestro wrote:

> > I am a 54 year old male with mid-range

> testosterone ( about 550 serum

> > test on a scale of 300-1100) Is this a factor in

> my

> > ability to increase mass?

>

> i have an article from the life extension

> foundation's web site that

> gives some normal and optimal ranges for

> testosterone. for total

> testosterone, the conventional normal range is

> between 300 and 1000

> ng/dL. the optimal range is 500 to 1000 ng/dL.

>

> the url of the article has changed since i printed

> it. if you want to

> see the entire article, go to www.lef.org and try

> searching for the

> article titled " male hormone modulational

> therapy. "

>

>

> --

> Tim Wilbur (timw@...)

> http://www.sover.net/~timw/fitness.htm

> Barre, Vermont

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jay silvestro wrote:

> I am a 54 year old male with mid-range testosterone ( about 550 serum

> test on a scale of 300-1100) Is this a factor in my

> ability to increase mass?

i have an article from the life extension foundation's web site that

gives some normal and optimal ranges for testosterone. for total

testosterone, the conventional normal range is between 300 and 1000

ng/dL. the optimal range is 500 to 1000 ng/dL.

the url of the article has changed since i printed it. if you want to

see the entire article, go to www.lef.org and try searching for the

article titled " male hormone modulational therapy. "

--

Tim Wilbur (timw@...)

http://www.sover.net/~timw/fitness.htm

Barre, Vermont

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Lots if not most autistic kids have high testosterone -- known as precocious puberty. A mainstream doctor, Dr. Geier believes that stopping of testosterone may be the key to solving the entire ASD problem. So how to lower testosterone? -- use Lupron which is very controversial on these sites. I believe you should ate least have your child tested for high testosterone. How do you go about doing it? If you suspect that your boy behaves (self play) or appears more mature (hairy) than he should, then you need to tell your doctor that you suspect "precocious puberty". He will test for high testosterone and other things. Note that autistic kids do not really have precocious puberty but it may be testosterone-mercury sheets bound. I know this sounds crazy but the best person to listen to is the doctor himself -- use this pointer, scroll down and listen to Dr.

Geier: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html You will find this interesting -- VERY INTERESTING! Alison Pope <acmpope@...> wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the objective of testing testosterone levels.? And how do we go about it. Thanks, Alison

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Lots if not most autistic kids have high testosterone -- known as precocious puberty. A mainstream doctor, Dr. Geier believes that stopping of testosterone may be the key to solving the entire ASD problem. So how to lower testosterone? -- use Lupron which is very controversial on these sites. I believe you should ate least have your child tested for high testosterone. How do you go about doing it? If you suspect that your boy behaves (self play) or appears more mature (hairy) than he should, then you need to tell your doctor that you suspect "precocious puberty". He will test for high testosterone and other things. Note that autistic kids do not really have precocious puberty but it may be testosterone-mercury sheets bound. I know this sounds crazy but the best person to listen to is the doctor himself -- use this pointer, scroll down and listen to Dr.

Geier: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html You will find this interesting -- VERY INTERESTING! Alison Pope <acmpope@...> wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the objective of testing testosterone levels.? And how do we go about it. Thanks, Alison

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on the same pointer, listen to Reverend Sykes also!Abid Khan <a_bit_solutions@...> wrote: Lots if not most autistic kids have high testosterone -- known as precocious puberty. A mainstream doctor, Dr. Geier believes that stopping of testosterone may be the key to solving the entire ASD problem. So how to lower testosterone? -- use Lupron which is very controversial on these sites. I believe you should ate least have your child tested for high testosterone. How do you go about doing it? If you suspect that your boy behaves (self play) or appears more mature (hairy) than he should, then you need to tell your doctor that you suspect "precocious puberty". He will test for high testosterone and other things. Note that autistic kids

do not really have precocious puberty but it may be testosterone-mercury sheets bound. I know this sounds crazy but the best person to listen to is the doctor himself -- use this pointer, scroll down and listen to Dr. Geier: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html You will find this interesting -- VERY INTERESTING! Alison Pope <acmpope@...> wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the objective of testing testosterone levels.? And how do we go about it. Thanks, Alison How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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the Geiers are also very accessable by e-mail.Abid Khan <a_bit_solutions@...> wrote: Lots if not most autistic kids have high testosterone -- known as precocious puberty. A mainstream doctor, Dr. Geier believes that stopping of testosterone may be the key to solving the entire ASD problem. So how to lower testosterone? -- use Lupron which is very controversial on these sites. I believe you should ate least have your child tested for high testosterone. How do you go about doing it? If you suspect that your boy behaves (self play) or appears more mature (hairy) than he should, then you need to tell your doctor that you suspect "precocious puberty". He will test for high testosterone and other things. Note that autistic kids do

not really have precocious puberty but it may be testosterone-mercury sheets bound. I know this sounds crazy but the best person to listen to is the doctor himself -- use this pointer, scroll down and listen to Dr. Geier: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html You will find this interesting -- VERY INTERESTING! Alison Pope <acmpope@...> wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the objective of testing testosterone levels.? And how do we go about it. Thanks, Alison How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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the Geiers are also very accessable by e-mail.Abid Khan <a_bit_solutions@...> wrote: Lots if not most autistic kids have high testosterone -- known as precocious puberty. A mainstream doctor, Dr. Geier believes that stopping of testosterone may be the key to solving the entire ASD problem. So how to lower testosterone? -- use Lupron which is very controversial on these sites. I believe you should ate least have your child tested for high testosterone. How do you go about doing it? If you suspect that your boy behaves (self play) or appears more mature (hairy) than he should, then you need to tell your doctor that you suspect "precocious puberty". He will test for high testosterone and other things. Note that autistic kids do

not really have precocious puberty but it may be testosterone-mercury sheets bound. I know this sounds crazy but the best person to listen to is the doctor himself -- use this pointer, scroll down and listen to Dr. Geier: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html You will find this interesting -- VERY INTERESTING! Alison Pope <acmpope@...> wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the objective of testing testosterone levels.? And how do we go about it. Thanks, Alison How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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What is the effect of testosterone levels that are way over the top of the

range? just curious. I know the results of too low.

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Your Adrenals can over work and you end up with low Cortisol. Your blood can

become to think and your Estradiol levels can go nuts. Many men thing more is

better but if you read this by Chilln from Dr. 's forum he tells it like it

is. The bottom line here is to just be on enough to feel your best and to keep

your Estradiol levels in the sweet spot.

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E2 Sweet Spot by Chilln at Dr. ’s forum.

continued from post #8 in this thread, ie:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8

PLAN A:

The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to simply minimize your T

boost, to the point which is " just above " your minimum acceptable level of

damage tolerance.

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* If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a lot more T than if you

exercise very little.

* Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your maximum T levels, and your

minimum T levels. This works if you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which

case your minimum T levels will not be too low.

* But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may find that this method lets

your minimum T levels drop too low.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on minimizing your maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum

T levels are still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck, don't

catch flu quickly).

* Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels, looking for your E2 sweet spot,

until eventually your minimum T levels are too low during the day / week (ie:

sore joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly).

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If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2 usign this method, then you

need to consider PLAN B.

PLAN B:

Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the goods. Don't skip PLAN B.

For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce your maximum daily T levels

by taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per day.

For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T cypionate), reduce your

maximum weekly T levels by either:

a) taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice-per-week,

or

taking less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, once-every-3-days.

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* This will definitely reduce your peak T levels, while still ensuring that your

minimum T levels do not drop.

* The additional reduction in max T levels, without reducing your minimum T

levels, will further allow your E2 levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough

to find your E2 sweet spot.

* The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement using injected T esters (eg:

testosterone cypionate) is to take

less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice per week, or

less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3 days.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN C.

PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL)

This option is only available if you initially started out on a transdermal

formulation of T.

Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to using an injected form of T

ester - eg: " T cyp " (testosterone cypionate).

Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to twice-per-week, or

once-every-3-days dosing if you need to lower E2 levels even further.

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* Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase " enzyme, and we have high

concentrations of aromatase enzymes in our subcutaneous body fat.

* The transdermal forumations of T convert into more E2 and DHT than the

injected T esters, because the transdermal formulations place the T in close

proximity to the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body fat, while

the injected T esters are designed for intra-muscular injection (not

subcutanoues) and therefore the T is placed a long long way from those aromate

enzymes in our body fat.

* After switching from transdermal T to injected T esters, your E2 levels should

also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits

your sexual performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still depends

on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

* Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in PLAN B for T cyp users.

* If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in too high maximum levels

of T, while you are trying to ensure that your minimum T throughout the week is

still above your minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back the

PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp.

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But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN D.

PLAN D:

This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG dosages, and use arimidex /

anastrozole to optimize E2.

But you should still be implementing the multiple-times-per-day dosing

methodology from PLAN B and the final stage of PLAN C

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* This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing with T and E2 levels for

months.

* The most important concept with arimidex / anastrozole supplementtion is very

reliable and accurate dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your

medical professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by adopting daily dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole, using small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex /

anastrozole.

....This is detailed here:

....http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31

* You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg per day, or 0.2mg per day,

instead of 0.5mg every second day.

* After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you will definitely discover

occasional optimum T versus E2 balance, and with that you will achieve

occasional optimum sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum

sexual performance for the majority of each week is dependant on how stable your

E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T

levels.

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But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN E.

PLAN E:

Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide the additional damage

tolerance lost from the reduction in T levels.

But continue to maintain using the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology

used in the final stages of the previous plans.

But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely.

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* Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not 100% overlap) so you can

safely reduce T, if you boost GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, you further reduce the rate of

conversion of T into E2. This assumes you reduce your supplemental T dosage when

you add in the boost to GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and E2 levels will be more

stable, and you'll find it easier to find your sweet spot for E2.

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN F.

PLAN F

This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost, multiple times-per-day/week

dosing) plus compounded arimidex / anastrozole.

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* This should only be necessary if:

....a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient recombinant GH to allow you to

reduce your T levels by an adequate amount.

or

.... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH, and your body's response

to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts of GH.

..

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> From: gin2c <no_reply >

> Subject: Testosterone levels

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> Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 8:39 AM

> What is the effect of testosterone

> levels that are way over the top of the range?  just

> curious.  I know the results of too low.

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